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Mortimer
10-17-2016, 05:10 AM
Migration Story A
Ancient ancestry in Pakistan

Your ancestors came from Pakistan prior to 1137 AD, so let's take a look at what was going on in Pakistan up to this point:

The Gupta Empire
Between 320 AD and 600 AD, Pakistan was ruled by local leaders in a period known as Pakistan under the Gupta Empire. At this point, Pakistan came under the control of the Indian based Gupta Empire. Trade ties made the region an important cultural center and for a time it was very prosperous. However, it declined due to a loss of territory and as a result of the invasion by the Hunas from Central Asia. People migrated from India and Bangladesh and Nepal to Pakistan due to the incoming Gupta Empire.

The Arrival of Islam
Between 601 AD and 996 AD, Pakistan was ruled by local leaders in a period known as the Arab Empire. At this time, Rajput dynasties ruled areas of Pakistan until the arrival of Arab forces in 712. However, the region was not stable and Hindu rulers like the south Indian Emperor Vikramaditya II defeated the Umayyad Arabs. There was gradual conversion to Islam in the south, but the north remained largely Hindu under the Hindu Shahi. People migrated from Saudi Arabia and India and Afghanistan to Pakistan as a result of attempted Arab conversions and settlement and the incoming Hindu Shahi. At the same time, populations moved from Pakistan to places like Saudi Arabia as fighters successfully repelled the Arab invasions.

Hindu Shahi
Between 997 AD and 1187 AD, Pakistan was ruled by local leaders in a period known as Pakistan under the Ghaznavid Empire. During this time, the Ghaznavid dynasty expanded from Afghanistan into Pakistan. They conquered areas into Kurdistan and ruled for 157 years. They declined when Hindu Rajput kingdoms reconquered the eastern Punjab. The dynasty ended when Muhammad Ghori conquered the Ghaznavid kingdom in 1187. People migrated from Afghanistan and Turkey to Pakistan as a result of the expansion of the Ghaznavid dynasty.

Migration Story B
Ancient ancestry in Spain

Your ancestors came from Spain prior to 2389 BC, so let's take a look at what was going on in Spain shortly after this time:

The Defeat of the Celtiberians
Between 181 BC and 19 BC, Spain was ruled by local leaders in a period known as the Roman Conquest. From 181 BC the Celtiberian tribes inhabiting the majority of modern-day Spain, tried to stop the advancing Roman legions in a series of conflicts known as the Celtiberian Wars. However, they were unsuccessful and the Roman conquest of the country was completed in 19 BC. People migrated from Italy to Spain with the Roman invasion of Spain.

#1 Southeastern India 18.3%

Origin: Endemic to south eastern india with residues in Pakistan

#2 Fennoscandia 15.1%

Origin: Peaks in the Iceland and Norway and declines in Finland, England, and France

#3 Orkney Islands 10.6%

Origin: Peaks in the Orkney islands and declines in England, France, Germany, Belarus, and Poland

#4 Sardinia 9.8%

Origin: Peaks in Sardinia and declines in weaker in Italy, Greece, Albania, and The Balkans

#5 Southern France 9.7%

Origin: Peaks in south France and declines in north France, England, Orkney islands, and Scandinavia

#6 Tuva 9.3%

Origin: Peaks in south Siberia (Russians: Tuvinian) and declines in North Mongolia

#7 Western Siberia 8.3%

Origin: Peaks in Krasnoyarsk Krai and declines towards east Russia

#8 Basque Country 6.8%

Origin: Peaks in France and Spain Basque regions and declines in Spain, France, and Germany

#9 Northern India 3.7%

Origin: Peaks in North India (Dharkars, Kanjars) and declines in Pakistan

#10 Northwestern Africa 2.5%

Origin: Peaks in Algeria and declines in Morocco and Tunisia

#11 Austronesian Southeast Asia 1.8%

Origin: Peaks in Taiwan and Malay and declines in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and South China

#12 Arabia 1.4%

Origin: Peaks in Saudi Arabia and Yemen and declines in Israel, Jordan, Iraq, and Egypt

#13 The Southern Levant 1.3%

Origin: This gene pool is localized to Israel with residues in Syria

#14 Western South America 1.2%

Origin: Peaks in Peru, Mexico, and North America and declines in Eastern Russia

Myanthropologies
10-17-2016, 05:12 AM
I think they missed afghan ancestry. No way that you have levant ancestry but 0 afghan ancestors.

Mortimer
10-17-2016, 05:15 AM
I think they missed afghan ancestry. No way that you have levant ancestry but 0 afghan ancestors.

maybe levant means a bit ashkenazi not really levant. because on 23andme i had a sign that im confirmed to have a bit ashkenazi jew ancestry.

Mortimer
10-17-2016, 05:17 AM
https://s11.postimg.org/mhhebz16r/DNAMigration_Route_GPSOrigins.jpg

Myanthropologies
10-17-2016, 05:17 AM
maybe levant means a bit ashkenazi not really levant. because on 23andme i had a sign that im confirmed to have a bit ashkenazi jew ancestry.

I have a feeling you have afghan ancestry. I just know you do lol.

Mortimer
10-17-2016, 05:24 AM
Am I a sephardi jew who migrated from spain to balkan?

LieDetector
10-17-2016, 05:29 AM
:lol00002:

Sikeliot
10-17-2016, 05:29 AM
I cannot get the site to work for me.

Mortimer
10-17-2016, 05:56 AM
I cannot get the site to work for me.

Why not, whats wrong? Maybe I can help.

Mortimer
10-17-2016, 06:22 AM
Am I a sephardi jew who migrated from spain to balkan?

wait its 2837 etc something BC, thats very ancient, so I guess its just very ancient roots maybe from celts?

Longbowman
10-18-2016, 01:21 AM
Am I a sephardi jew who migrated from spain to balkan?

Obviously not.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-18-2016, 01:31 AM
it wont let me upload the raw data because it demands it be zipped..

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 01:35 AM
it wont let me upload the raw data because it demands it be zipped..

just download 23andme raw data, when you dowload it its zipped and dont unzipp it

Peterski
10-18-2016, 01:41 AM
I think they missed afghan ancestry. No way that you have levant ancestry but 0 afghan ancestors.

When Gypsies migrated from India/Pakistan to Europe, they probably very quickly crossed Afghanistan.

There was no time for mixing.

Peterski
10-18-2016, 01:42 AM
Is it for free? Do they accept FTDNA?

Dick
10-18-2016, 01:46 AM
it wont let me upload the raw data because it demands it be zipped..

IT'S ALRIGHT BUT PETALPUSHER'S HOMEMADE PCA MAPS ARE BETTER IMO. THE GUY SHOULD MAKE HIS OWN CALCS FOR GEDMATCH. GPSORIGINS PLOTS YOU IN A CERTAIN COUNTRY. GPSORIGINS PLOTS ME IN HUNGARY(RECENT ANCESTRY BUT NOT TRUE) BUT TRY IT IF YOU HAVE 60 BUCKS TO WASTE.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?192230-Post-your-GPS-Origins-results!&p=3994649&viewfull=1#post3994649

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 01:59 AM
IT'S ALRIGHT BUT PETALPUSHER'S HOMEMADE PCA MAPS ARE BETTER IMO. THE GUY SHOULD MAKE HIS OWN CALCS FOR GEDMATCH. GPSORIGINS PLOTS YOU IN A CERTAIN COUNTRY. GPSORIGINS PLOTS ME IN HUNGARY(RECENT ANCESTRY BUT NOT TRUE) BUT TRY IT IF YOU HAVE 60 BUCKS TO WASTE.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?192230-Post-your-GPS-Origins-results!&p=3994649&viewfull=1#post3994649

but it said that you came from bosnia to hungary, that could make sense if you include the northern part of serbia as hungary (because it was once) and where is your serb ancestry from?

Dick
10-18-2016, 02:01 AM
but it said that you came from bosnia to hungary, that could make sense if you include the northern part of serbia as hungary (because it was once) and where is your serb ancestry from?

I'M MIXED GERMAN AND DALMATIAN SERB. NOTHING TO DO WITH BOSNIA OR HUNGARY. PETALPUSHER'S PCA'S PLOT ME IN SLOVENIA/AUSTRIA OR WITH NORTH ITALIANS

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 02:19 AM
I'M MIXED GERMAN AND DALMATIAN SERB. NOTHING TO DO WITH BOSNIA OR HUNGARY. PETALPUSHER'S PCA'S PLOT ME IN SLOVENIA/AUSTRIA OR WITH NORTH ITALIANS

well this one doesnt have a single plot, it shows two migration routes. that you are serb/bosnian/hungarian on one side is pretty close, it at least places your migration from yugoslavia. the other was from ancient russia and mentions goths and vikings etc. and it says its very ancient, so it could make sense for your german ancestry too.

Dick
10-18-2016, 02:30 AM
well this one doesnt have a single plot, it shows two migration routes. that you are serb/bosnian/hungarian on one side is pretty close, it at least places your migration from yugoslavia. the other was from ancient russia and mentions goths and vikings etc. and it says its very ancient, so it could make sense for your german ancestry too.

OK BUT YOU ARE NOT FROM PAKISTAN AND WHAT'S WITH THE IBERIAN YOU GET?

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 02:32 AM
OK BUT YOU ARE NOT FROM PAKISTAN AND WHAT'S WITH THE IBERIAN YOU GET?

gypsies are from northwestindia/pakistan area at least it placed me in southasia where gypsies are from. and i dont know why the iberian.

Peterski
10-18-2016, 05:59 AM
OK BUT YOU ARE NOT FROM PAKISTAN

He is. Gypsies came from Pakistan, although they were ultimately of mostly South Indian origin.

But shortly before their migration towards Europe, they lived in Pakistan or North-West India.


and i dont know why the iberian.

Late Neolithic Farmer or WHG admixture? In 2900 BC there were no Celts in Iberia, too early.

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 06:02 AM
He is. Gypsies came from Pakistan, although they were ultimately of mostly South Indian origin.

But shortly before their migration towards Europe, they lived in Pakistan or North-West India.

They were not of Southindian origin. They are of northwest indian origins.

Mortimer
10-18-2016, 06:05 AM
Late Neolithic Farmer or WHG admixture? In 2900 BC there were no Celts in Iberia, too early.

Yeah, but thats very general category, exists all over europe, have no clue why they placed me in iberia.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-18-2016, 03:24 PM
just download 23andme raw data, when you dowload it its zipped and dont unzipp it

it automatically unzips :c

Sebastianus Rex
10-18-2016, 03:27 PM
23andme is too fucking embarrassing. :picard2:

Your genetic autosomal admixture makes places you as more similar to Caucasus populations (in between Europe and Caucasus) as K15 rightly pointed. Makes all the sense.

https://s31.postimg.org/9rb9cck4b/K15_V3mydot.jpg

Petalpusher
10-18-2016, 03:36 PM
It looks to me they just point on a map some multi pop oracle, using a calculator on their own, and i would say not the best. Mortimer is somewhere around a point between Iberia and Pakistan but of course he has no ancestry from there, at least not recent at all (which is what matters). They call it a migration route, but there s no way to know that based on admixture, it's never gonna tell you much more than what you are right now or very recent ancestry/mix. Keeping in mind everything is based still on your 23andme datas, like dnaland, wegenes, etc.. except they do it for free.

By now some could have bought a full genome with all these analysis.

Iloko
10-18-2016, 03:36 PM
How would you rate this analysis 1-10?

Mortimer
10-19-2016, 01:28 AM
How would you rate this analysis 1-10?

The admixtures are bit weird because I score Fennoscandia that peaks in Scandinavia, I score alot of that. But on 23andme Im zero northwest european, and I score orkney islands too signifacant on here. That would make like a quarter northwest european but on 23andme Im zero. Probably the labels are a bit different here. It makes more sense to me that im zero northwest european, what 23andme says. But I like the migration routes, Its something new, because it tells you which year your ancestors migrated from it says prior to 1200 AD in pakistan which is when gypsies probably migrated out of pakistan, so thats really cool. But petalpusher says there is no way to know the date of migration so I dont know if its true.

Mortimer
10-19-2016, 01:30 AM
It looks to me they just point on a map some multi pop oracle, using a calculator on their own, and i would say not the best. Mortimer is somewhere around a point between Iberia and Pakistan but of course he has no ancestry from there, at least not recent at all (which is what matters). They call it a migration route, but there s no way to know that based on admixture, it's never gonna tell you much more than what you are right now or very recent ancestry/mix. Keeping in mind everything is based still on your 23andme datas, like dnaland, wegenes, etc.. except they do it for free.

By now some could have bought a full genome with all these analysis.

most analysis have been for free like dnaland wegene etc. but i will get a genesforgood test, im waiting for my kit right now. so i will have a second genotyping. its free and from university of michigan, i participated in a research study and get the test for free.

firemonkey
10-19-2016, 01:33 AM
Mortimer, how did you do the test if you are not in the US or Canada?

Mortimer
10-19-2016, 01:35 AM
Mortimer, how did you do the test if you are not in the US or Canada?

I used a shipito adress https://www.shipito.com/en/?countrycode=US

firemonkey
10-19-2016, 02:00 AM
I have uploaded raw data but it has not asked for payment. Does that happen after processing is finished?

Mortimer
10-19-2016, 02:19 AM
I have uploaded raw data but it has not asked for payment. Does that happen after processing is finished?

yes after your results are processed it asks for payment

Iloko
10-19-2016, 02:30 AM
Mortimer, how did you do the test if you are not in the US or Canada?
My debitcard(mastercard) is a philippines one and I was still able to order. I believe I just selected US for the country and Hawaii for the state lol and it worked.

firemonkey
10-19-2016, 02:31 AM
Snag,it's asking for phone number.

firemonkey
10-19-2016, 03:12 AM
GENE POOL % s
Complete Results
#1 Fennoscandia 19.1%

Origin: Peaks in the Iceland and Norway and declines in Finland, England, and France

#2 Orkney Islands 13.6%

Origin: Peaks in the Orkney islands and declines in England, France, Germany, Belarus, and Poland

#3 Southern France 13.4%

Origin: Peaks in south France and declines in north France, England, Orkney islands, and Scandinavia

#4 Western Siberia 12.6%

Origin: Peaks in Krasnoyarsk Krai and declines towards east Russia

#5 Southeastern India 10.4%

Origin: Endemic to south eastern india with residues in Pakistan

#6 Basque Country 8%

Origin: Peaks in France and Spain Basque regions and declines in Spain, France, and Germany

#7 Sardinia 7.7%

Origin: Peaks in Sardinia and declines in weaker in Italy, Greece, Albania, and The Balkans

#8 Tuva 5.1%

Origin: Peaks in south Siberia (Russians: Tuvinian) and declines in North Mongolia

#9 Northwestern Africa 3.4%

Origin: Peaks in Algeria and declines in Morocco and Tunisia

#10 Northern India 3.2%

Origin: Peaks in North India (Dharkars, Kanjars) and declines in Pakistan

#11 The Southern Levant 1.3%

Origin: This gene pool is localized to Israel with residues in Syria

#12 Western South America 1.2%

Origin: Peaks in Peru, Mexico, and North America and declines in Eastern Russia

#13 Pima County: The Sonora 0.4%

Origin: Peaks in Central-North America and declines towards Greenland and Eskimos

#14 Austronesian Southeast Asia 0.3%

Origin: Peaks in Taiwan and Malay and declines in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and South China


Migration story A:

Ancient ancestry in Russia

Your ancestors came from Russia prior to 506 AD, so let's take a look at what was going on in Russia up to this point:

Movement from Russia to Ukraine

At some point before 506 AD your ancestors moved to Ukraine. These are the events your ancestors would have lived through in Ukraine.


Movement from Ukraine to Moldova

At some point after 506 AD your ancestors moved to Moldova and once they reached there this is what they would have experienced:


Migration story B:

Ancient ancestry in Belarus

Your ancestors came from around Belarus prior to 556 AD, so let's take a look at what was going on in Belarus up to this point:

Movement from Belarus to Lithuania

At some point before 556 AD your ancestors moved to Lithuania. These are the events your ancestors would have lived through in Lithuania.


Movement from Lithuania to Sweden

At some point after 556 AD your ancestors moved to Sweden and once they reached there this is what they would have experienced:


62481

I am not sure which would be the maternal or paternal migration routes. Given my known ancestry being 100% British,rather strange results.

Mortimer
10-19-2016, 03:20 AM
^yeah fucking strange results