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Myanthropologies

10-17-2016, 10:21 PM

I never offend anyone unless my people are involved. Too long have I tolerated your diarrhea on this forum, now you are free cry and moan as much as you want.

Here is a video about Papuan-façade's culture, Alexander and his Indo-Iranian bacha-bazi dancers. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8sw-Jge6RA

Oh lord, cry me a river. The only show and tell you have is a stupid innaccurately portrayed movie. Stop making fun of people being gay an feminine when I'm bisexual and you act more gay than I ever fucking have. You got so butthurt over a harmless thread that had nothing to do with you or "your people." You were so butthurt that you release people's private messages that had personal info that they didn't want other people to know about. You are so butthurt that you mock boys who get molested, some of them "your people" who get molested to prove a troll point. I felt bad for being harsh to you but now I don't. Anyone who makes fun of child molestation is a disgusting person, and it shows that since you lose morality so easily over something on the internet, you are not a safe person to be around in public, and you are ready not to be trusted at all. I don't hate Turkic people, Afghanistan is part Turkic, idiot. And those Turkic people feel much closer to pashtuns than to you guys any day of the week. I don't hate any peoole. This all just shows how feminine and weak you really are. You wouldn't go on pashtunforums and say something like this to them, you know they would all stomp you in an argument over there. Instead, you spread a bunch of obsessive bs on theapricity, where you're a moderator and where you have your little butt buddies, so you know you'll "win" an argument. You have to post pictures that has a lot of indians in them and call them "pashtuns" to prove a point, or you go on a search for the darkest cherrypicked ones that don't even come up in a Google search.

Also, everything depsperately points to you literally being the most OWD person on this website. I ws very carefully analyzing your posts over last week, and I noticed that when you insult people, you have to point out apparent non european influence in them. You make fun of Greeks and Iranians by calling them semitic shifted, you make fun of afghans and Caucasians by calling them asi admixed, yet you never specify what the hell you're supposed to be made up of. If you're not semitic, caucasian, etc, then you run out of options for what Turks are, and it is obvious that you are lowkey trying to make yourself appear whiter to other Middle Eastern ethnic groups. You are lowkey implying that Turks are white. Btw buddy, you never answered my last question. If Iranians are semitic, Pashtuns and caucasuans are "ASI admixed," etc, then what are Turks? Sounds to me that you know that you would get humilated if you called them white, but you are also afraid to call them non white as well, which is why you avoid my question like a pussy. You, like Anatolian Stallion who has 57% Middle Eastern dna yet still claims to be a white supremacist, like miesje who also claims to be white, claim you're white in your own mentally reassuring way. You also try so hard to act like Jack Slivovitz, but you fail.

If this isn't enough to convince you that you're the most OWD person on this website, then I have something even better. I did my research more, and found the thread on anthroscape from 2009 when Wadaad coined the term.

It reads:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1212712/1/

This is a question opened to all here.

In another thread I opened that the mods closed, Obsidian claimed that there's no such thing as OWD...without really substantiating his reasons why he believes so.

I did not come up with OWD out of the blue. It took years of observations, and studying how opinions were laid out by a certain segment, that usually hail from areas periphery our modern definition of Europe. Perhaps OWD needs another name, so far OWD has worked fine, and people who understand the concept, know what it means. I've had adversaries that I debated and even accussed of exhibiting signs of OWD, admit to me that they believe that this social phenomona indeed exists, and then went on to defending themselves and proving they dont exhibit it.

For those who have no idea what the off-white dilemma is, its a phenomona exhibited by people based on an ideal 'racial hierarchy'. Not everyone has the same ideal of course, but a person who suffers from OWD, knows that whatever racial hierarchial ideal he believes in, his racial group, identity, phenotype, whatever...does not fit it. So what does he or she do? He tries to tweak facts, figures, anything to put him closer to that racial ideal.

For example, using Obsidian as a case. Obsidian is a Turk. When I posted as "Lou Bricant" for a few days, the first thing I did was confront Obsidian on his obvious disdain and scapegoating of Kurds on everything 'negative' about Turks. Worse, Obsidian really disliked anyone mentioning that Turkey is a "Middle Eastern country" (which in many ways it is). As much as I pointed out that a bit of Turkey is in Europe, the cultural and historic slant and weltenschaaung of Turkey has always been Oriental.

A typical tactic of someone with OWD would be dismissing a large segment of his own people, even going so far as using them as scapegoats for any characteristic he may deem negative. When talk of arranged marriages in Turkey is mentioned...Obsidian is quick to mention that its the Kurds who do that, not the Turks. When not doing that, it seems Obsidian has a need to convince everyone of his view on Turkey. "In Istanbul, we have modern, western style architecture...and we all drink capucinno at our cafes, we dont engage in arranged marriages"...that line of thinking.

The more endemic kind of OWD is denying the facts on the ground when it comes to how people physically look like. I dont want to go on detail here, but I have seen hundreds of this, where some South European, or even Middle Eastern person embellishes the extent of blonde hair, or blue eyes in his country, and for what reason? Because of a need to make his country seem lighter than it really is. Now Im not going to confine OWD only to European and periphery European nations. I've seen Latin Americans, Asians, even Somalis suffer from it. So its not some tool I use to insult people, as some have accused me of, nor is it something I use as a 'card' to win arguments. It exists, and is pretty endemic on race forums.

Sounds 100% like you. Just some examples for reference, some even from today! Lol:

Kurds are the only reason why Istanbul has hundreds of thousands of potential suicide bombers roaming the streets.

When referring to Zoran's DNA results (even though in reality you're not much less middle eastern than he is LOL.

This is what he is made of:

Y-DNA haplogroup: J1 (Assyrian subclade)
Autosomal DNA: 84.2% Assyrian + 15.8% Pathan @1.32 (copy-pasted from his oracle results)
Phenotype: Assyroid

LOL. In reality, you are just as far from North Indians as you are from the Europeans your ancestry comes from besides the Greeks. Whenever you get insecurex you point out someone's non europeaness, must be something your psychologist taught you as a coping mechanism.

You fall clear cut under OWD. It is also hilarious, cause the term was coined because of a Turk who behaved similar to you. You are the most OWD person 5in this website, and the term was coined in the first place because of people who act like you.

Long story short, you are nothing more than a psycho, kidddie porn enjoying, owd "23 year old freak" who was probably given moderator status by someone when they ware dropping acid. I'm done with your bs, I'm done with your lies, and I'm done with you acting like you're all innocent when you mock every ethnic group around you and you mock child molestation. You are sick and degenerate. Good bye, faggot.

Danishmend

10-18-2016, 12:27 AM

Oh lord, cry me a river. The only show and tell you have is a stupid innaccurately portrayed movie. Stop making fun of people being gay an feminine when I'm bisexual and you act more gay than I ever fucking have. You got so butthurt over a harmless thread that had nothing to do with you or "your people." You were so butthurt that you release people's private messages that had personal info that they didn't want other people to know about. You are so butthurt that you mock boys who get molested, some of them "your people" who get molested to prove a troll point. I felt bad for being harsh to you but now I don't. Anyone who makes fun of child molestation is a disgusting person, and it shows that since you lose morality so easily over something on the internet, you are not a safe person to be around in public, and you are ready not to be trusted at all. I don't hate Turkic people, Afghanistan is part Turkic, idiot. And those Turkic people feel much closer to pashtuns than to you guys any day of the week. I don't hate any peoole. This all just shows how feminine and weak you really are. You wouldn't go on pashtunforums and say something like this to them, you know they would all stomp you in an argument over there. Instead, you spread a bunch of obsessive bs on theapricity, where you're a moderator and where you have your little butt buddies, so you know you'll "win" an argument. You have to post pictures that has a lot of indians in them and call them "pashtuns" to prove a point, or you go on a search for the darkest cherrypicked ones that don't even come up in a Google search. Also, everything depsperately points to you literally being the most OWD person on this website. I ws very carefully analyzing your posts over last week, and I noticed that when you insult people, you have to point out apparent non european influence in them. You make fun of Greeks and Iranians by calling them semitic shifted, you make fun of afghans and Caucasians by calling them asi admixed, yet you never specify what the hell you're supposed to be made up of. If you're not semitic, caucasian, etc, then you run out of options for what Turks are, and it is obvious that you are lowkey trying to make yourself appear whiter to other Middle Eastern ethnic groups. You are lowkey implying that Turks are white. Btw buddy, you never answered my last question. If Iranians are semitic, Pashtuns and caucasuans are "ASI admixed," etc, then what are Turks? Sounds to me that you know that you would get humilated if you called them white, but you are also afraid to call them non white as well, which is why you avoid my question like a pussy. You, like Anatolian Stallion who has 57% Middle Eastern dna yet still claims to be a white supremacist, like miesje who also claims to be white, claim you're white in your own mentally reassuring way. You also try so hard to act like Jack Slivovitz, but you fail. If this isn't enough to convince you that you're the most OWD person on this website, then I have something even better. I did my research more, and found the thread on anthroscape from 2009 when Wadaad coined the term. Sounds 100% like you. Just some examples for reference, some even from today! Lol When referring to Zoran's DNA results (even though in reality you're not much less middle eastern than he is LOL. LOL. In reality, you are just as far from North Indians as you are from the Europeans your ancestry comes from besides the Greeks. Whenever you get insecurex you point out someone's non europeaness, must be something your psychologist taught you as a coping mechanism. You fall clear cut under OWD. It is also hilarious, cause the term was coined because of a Turk who behaved similar to you. You are the most OWD person 5in this website, and the term was coined in the first place because of people who act like you. Long story short, you are nothing more than a psycho, kidddie porn enjoying, owd "23 year old freak" who was probably given moderator status by someone when they ware dropping acid. I'm done with your bs, I'm done with your lies, and I'm done with you acting like you're all innocent when you mock every ethnic group around you and you mock child molestation. You are sick and degenerate. Good bye, faggot.

Didn't read, sorry.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik

10-18-2016, 12:36 AM

Not if they are only 7,8 percent

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik

10-18-2016, 01:03 AM

I'm 2% Papuan on some calculators...

Probably from your "Andid" side. Europeans have some too :)

it comes from the 'ANE' ancient population which contributed to both modern Europeans and Amerindians..

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:30 AM

Didn't read, sorry.

So what are Turks if apparently Iranians are "semitic," Georgians are "Armeniod," Levantines are "Beoudins," Pasthuns and Caucasians are "Onge admixed"? Are Turks supposed to be white? Lol. Why do you keep avoiding this question? Tell me what Turks are.

Mortimer

10-18-2016, 03:35 AM

Are they?

Papuan admixture - http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8166-Updated-Neolithic-Iranian-Calculator
http://i.hizliresim.com/rEoVQP.png (http://hizliresim.com/rEoVQP)

Which calculator is that? Is it on Gedmatch. I score less then a percent papuan. But I score Ancestral Indian, Southindian etc. depends on calculator. I guess where there is no ancestral indian I would score Papuan. Papuan strong!

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:38 AM

Which calculator is that? Is it on Gedmatch. I score less then a percent papuan. But I score Ancestral Indian, Southindian etc. depends on calculator. I guess where there is no ancestral indian I would score Papuan. Papuan strong!

He's also hiding the fact that Gujurati a has some extra west asian like admixture for a typical Gujurati and is likely half pashtun or something. Also on most calculators pashtuns get something like 6-7%, and Punjabis like 20%. Even Turks get like 2%

Mortimer

10-18-2016, 03:40 AM

He's also hiding the fact that Gujurati a has some extra west asian like admixture for a typical Gujurati and is likely half pashtun or something. Also on most calculators pashtuns get something like 6-7%, and Punjabis like 20%. Even Turks get like 2%

There is a difference between Papuan and Southindian, the Southindian probably hides some ancient papuan-like admixture, but everyone scores more Southindian then they would if its solely papuan. Afghans score 20% Southindian but only 7-8% papuan.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:46 AM

There is a difference between Papuan and Southindian, the Southindian probably hides some ancient papuan-like admixture, but everyone scores more Southindian then they would if its solely papuan. Afghans score 20% Southindian but only 7-8% papuan.

That's because south indian has a lot of West eurasian CHG like admixture in it. Very little of it is actually Onge.

Mortimer

10-18-2016, 03:48 AM

That's because south indian has a lot of West eurasian CHG like admixture in it. Very little of it is actually Onge.

true, but considering the modern southasian cluster from modern populations pashtuns do score alot of southasian. you cant deny it. unrelated populations dont. like if you look at 23andme which basically shows modern day populations. afghans are definitely related to modern day southasians.

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 02:49 PM

That's because south indian has a lot of West eurasian CHG like admixture in it. Very little of it is actually Onge.

Indian has a lot of West Eurasian ancestry, but that is not the reason why Afghans score 20% South Indian. It is really funny how you can't cope with your Indian like ancestry and have trouble accepting it despite everything showing is there.

Milo

10-18-2016, 02:56 PM

The Papuan man in the middle would pass as a Pashtun quite easily:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFhx46JzkY

just compare him with this Pashtun guy:
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/3d28b988392d45d78bfeb56c3b120f51/a-pashtun-man-holds-his-children-in-front-of-a-tent-erected-in-the-br6an0.jpg

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:00 PM

Indian has a lot of West Eurasian ancestry, but that is not the reason why Afghans score 20% South Indian. It is really funny how you can't cope with your Indian like ancestry and have trouble accepting it despite everything showing is there.

That is the reason, and that was proven to be the reason idiot lol. I talked to the people on Anthrogenica and I got all my info from them.

Anyways, it's nothing compared to you're middle eastern ancestry.

Milo

10-18-2016, 03:01 PM

That's because south indian has a lot of West eurasian CHG like admixture in it. Very little of it is actually Onge.

South Indian is 50/50 West Eurasian and ASI

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:23 PM

South Indian is 50/50 West Eurasian and ASI

Yes

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 03:27 PM

That is the reason, and that was proven to be the reason idiot lol. I talked to the people on Anthrogenica and I got all my info from them.

Nobody gives a shit what people on Anthrotardgenica say. You cluster way close to Indians, can be modelled as half Punjabi and everything shows that you are 20% South Asian. If Pashtun's 20% South Asian score has to do with West Eurasian ancestry in Indians then many would show up as part South Indian or Indian in general like Pashtuns do. Deal with it, OWD faggot.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 03:35 PM

Nobody gives a shit what people on Anthrotardgenica say. You cluster way close to Indians, can be modelled as half Punjabi and everything shows that you are 20% South Asian. If Pashtun's 20% South Asian score has to do with West Eurasian ancestry in Indians then many would show up as part South Indian or Indian in general like Pashtuns do. Deal with it, OWD faggot.

Yes, I never denied this lovely information. Anthrogenica people know more than clowns like you. Except I can be modeled as half Kalash/Balochi, half Chechen, not punjabi. I don't cluster "way too** close to indians," I cluster to them as close as a german person clusters near a Spaniard. You make it sounds like Pashtuns cluster with them, when they don't. All your trolling stemmed from me having a different opinion than yours. And since you're too stupid and insecure to have a regular debate with someone, you have to insult people and stalk them. You have OWED (Off-Wannabe-Other-European-Identity). You seem more proud of being European than Croatian, which shows a lot about how you really feel about your true ethnic identity

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 03:51 PM

He's also hiding the fact that Gujurati a has some extra west asian like admixture for a typical Gujurati and is likely half pashtun or something. Also on most calculators pashtuns get something like 6-7%, and Punjabis like 20%. Even Turks get like 2%

Punjabis can have less. Your info from Anthrogenica. Jatts have from 10% to 18% there. Pashtuns from 7 to 8% with a shitload of East Asian ancestry like troo Papuan. Pashtuns from Pakistan even more:whistle:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ByPKVwgDy1lXpwjb-YOfVHPRHCkM1G5Ce6FdVumBBLE/edit#gid=0

Yes, I never denied this lovely information. Anthrogenica people know more than clowns like you.
Except I can be modeled as half Kalash/Balochi, half Chechen, not punjabi. I don't cluster "way too** close to indians," I cluster to them as close as a german person clusters near a Spaniard. You make it sounds like Pashtuns cluster with them, when they don't.

Have I said anything about you clustering with them? You don't cluster with them Bacha Bazi boy, but you are quite close to claim you are not 20% Indian as calcualators say you are.

All your trolling stemmed from me having a different opinion than yours. And since you're too stupid and insecure to have a regular debate with someone, you have to insult people and stalk them.

Boy, you are a fucking retard who can't cope with reality because of your OWD.

You have OWED (Off-Wannabe-Other-European-Identity). You seem more proud of being European than Croatian, which shows a lot about how you really feel about your true ethnic identity

LMAO, dumb subhuman, I am not more proud of being European than Croatian nor have I ever claimed that. I have claimed exactly the opposite. You are either a bad troll or just dumb. On the other hand you are a south Central Asian mongrel Gypsy who wants desperately to be seen as Middle Eastern so please don't teach other about off-Identity disorders.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 04:09 PM

Punjabis can have less. Your info from Anthrogenica. Jatts have from 10% to 18% there. Pashtuns from 7 to 8% with a shitload of East Asian ancestry like troo Papuan. Pashtuns from Pakistan even more:whistle:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ByPKVwgDy1lXpwjb-YOfVHPRHCkM1G5Ce6FdVumBBLE/edit#gid=0

Have I said anything about you clustering with them? You don't cluster with them Bacha Bazi boy, but you are quite close to claim you are not 20% Indian as calcualators say you are.

Boy, you are a fucking retard who can't cope with reality because of your OWD.

LMAO, dumb subhuman, I am not more proud of being European than Croatian nor have I ever claimed that. I have claimed exactly the opposite. You are either a bad troll or just dumb. On the other hand you are a south Central Asian mongrel Gypsy who wants desperately to be seen as Middle Eastern so please don't teach other about off-Identity disorders.
This is why people like you are never taken seriously on real life and the only place you can have a miniscule of an intellectual conversation is on TA. First you say Punjabis have 10-18%, then that pashtuns have have 20%, you're the one here that's a terrible troll. Those caulcactors have south indian, not ASE. Anyways I don't care. Whats your conclusion of me apparently having that much ASI, what relevance and meaning is that supposed to have to my life? That's nothing compared to the middle eastern & other types of west asian blood that your "pure European" claiming ass has. Not to mention that some of you are up to 1.5% SSA, which is such a foreign component to that it is equal to having like 6% ASI.

Selurong

10-18-2016, 04:22 PM

Hey I think you should include us Filipinos in this strongk Papuan facade!

A fair number of Filipinos are actually really Papuan in descent. After the Spaniards and Latinos sailed across the ocean to the Philippines and we Filipinos combined forces with them to wage war against the Muslim islanders of Indonesia, we eventually conquered Ternate, an island which is west of Papua New Guinea.

They speak a Papuan language.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternate_language

We forced the Papuan Sultan of Ternate to convert to Christianity and then deported his sorry ass to Manila (Which was grabbed from the Sultanate of Brunei and Christianized).

Eventually, when the Spanish garrisons in Ternate decided to retreat to the Philippines, the Catholic Ternateans accompanied us and they eventually settled in Ternate, Cavite and from there spread all across northern Philippines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternate,_Cavite#History

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 04:24 PM

Hey I think you should include is Filipinos in this strongk Papuan facade!

A fair number of Filipinos are actually really Papuan in descent. After the Spaniards and Latinos sailed across the ocean to the Philippines and we Filipinos combined forces with them to waged war against the Muslim islanders of Indonesia, we eventually conquered Ternate, an island which is west of Papua New Guinea.

They speak a Papuan language.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternate_language

We forced the Papuan Sultan of Ternate to convert to Christianity and then deported his sorry ass to Manila (Which was grabbed from the Sultanate of Brunei and Christianized).

Eventually, when the Spanish garrisons in Ternate decided to retreat to the Philippines, the Catholic Ternateans accompanied us and they eventually settled in Ternate, Cavite and from there spread all across northern Philippines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternate,_Cavite#History

#papuanbros

Selurong

10-18-2016, 04:25 PM

Are they?

Papuan admixture - http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8166-Updated-Neolithic-Iranian-Calculator
http://i.hizliresim.com/rEoVQP.png (http://hizliresim.com/rEoVQP)

South Indian Dravidians have ~40% Papuan whereas Pashtuns have ~8%, which is on par with what other calculators say = Pashtuns have 20% South Indian admixture, and are 50-60% North-Indian like.

Eurogenes k13 - South Asian admixture http://bga101.blogspot.com.tr/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.html
http://i.hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj.png (http://hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj)

HarappaWorld - South Indian adixture http://www.harappadna.org/tag/harappaworld/
http://i.hizliresim.com/oERZmX.png (http://hizliresim.com/oERZmX)

Pashtuns can be modelled as 1/3 or 1/4 South Indian or 60% North Indian, and I think they are part of the Papuan façade.

Textbook Pashtun - Australoid stronk
http://i.hizliresim.com/dXA2rp.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/dXA2rp)

Papuan Façade
http://i.hizliresim.com/1NlkWB.png (http://hizliresim.com/1NlkWB)

You should also include the Philippines as part of the Papuan facade. Just read up my previous post and learn why we should be there, for historical reasons.

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 04:27 PM

This is why people like you are never taken seriously on real life and the only place you can have a miniscule of an intellectual conversation is on TA. First you say Punjabis have 10-18%, then that pashtuns have have 20%, you're the one here that's a terrible troll.

:picard2: You are really a fuuucking moron. This is why people like you are never taken seriously and why there can't be any intellectual conversation on TA. Fucking moron, there is no Indian component there, it shows Papuan component. It shows that Afghan Pashtuns on Anthrogenica score 7-8% Papuan (with East Asian) and that Punjabi's score 10-18% Papuan. It says nothing about being Indian. Did you even see the fucking title of this fucking thread and the fucking OP? I did not say that Pashtuns are 20% Papuan, but that they are 20% South Indian. I did not say that Punjabis are 10-18% South Indian, but Papuan becuse the component there is called Papuan.

Those caulcactors have south indian, not ASE. Anyways I don't care. Whats your conclusion of me apparently having that much ASI, what relevance and meaning is that supposed to have to my life?

I don't have to tell you. Both of us know already.

That's nothing compared to the middle eastern & other types of west asian blood that your "pure European" claiming ass has. Not to mention that some of you are up to 1.5% SSA, which is such a foreign component to that it is equal to having like 6% ASI.

Croats don't have SSA, but I guess you are talking about some Europeans. Regarding Middle Eastern and West Asian, we are all what we are and don't give a shit. It is OWD mongrels like yourself who care the most what some Europeans are and mongrels like yourself have problem coping with their ancestry.

Selurong

10-18-2016, 04:35 PM

#papuanbros

Papuan Mastahhh Raize! :-)

Let's also not forget about the Vanuato and Maori people who have Papuan admix due to the migration route of their ancestors!

https://s15.postimg.org/5igo3hoc9/Zasiedlanie_Oceanii_png.png

From Afghanistan to New Zealand! PAPUAN MASTAH RAIZE REPRESENT!

Milo

10-18-2016, 04:37 PM

check this post
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?191162-Are-Pashtuns-closer-to-North-Indians-or-Kurds&p=3971603&viewfull=1#post3971603

Maguzanci

10-18-2016, 04:47 PM

Indian has a lot of West Eurasian ancestry, but that is not the reason why Afghans score 20% South Indian. It is really funny how you can't cope with your Indian like ancestry and have trouble accepting it despite everything showing is there.

Do you know if SE Asians like Thai, Cambodians, Malays, Indonesians have some West Eurasian ancestry and how much? They often score quite a lot of South Indian in their results in many calculators.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 04:49 PM

Papuan Mastahhh Raize! :-)

Let's also not forget about the Vanuato and Maori people who have Papuan admix due to the migration route of their ancestors!

https://s15.postimg.org/5igo3hoc9/Zasiedlanie_Oceanii_png.png

From Afghanistan to New Zealand! PAPUAN MASTAH RAIZE REPRESENT!

Tethnically speaking, it could stretch even father west than Afghanistan!

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 05:05 PM

Do you know if SE Asians like Thai, Cambodians, Malays, Indonesians have some West Eurasian ancestry and how much? They often score quite a lot of South Indian in their results in many calculators.

I am sorry because I can't tell you much since I am not informed at all about their West Eurasian ancestry if they have any because of them being part Indian like or not. You can see in OP (opening post of this thread) link that Malay population there has 3% Baltic (???) and is 16% South Asian. So, who knows.

meisje

10-18-2016, 05:55 PM

When referring to Zoran's DNA results (even though in reality you're not much less middle eastern than he is LOL.

Kıros of Iran are double Indian and ME shifted than average Anatolian Turk

Iranian Kurds are 30% South Central Asian and 20% Near east-North African

It is 14% South Central Asian and 13% Near East-North African for Turks

Selurong

10-18-2016, 06:19 PM

Tethnically speaking, it could stretch even father west than Afghanistan!

What do you think is the westernmost limit for Papuan ancestry?

Selurong

10-18-2016, 06:31 PM

I am sorry because I can't tell you much since I am not informed at all about their West Eurasian ancestry if they have any because of them being part Indian like or not. You can see in OP (opening post of this thread) link that Malay population there has 3% Baltic (???) and is 16% South Asian. So, who knows.

Most of the Indian admixture in Southeast Asians is South Indian instead of North Indian (Which received West Asian invasions the most).

The primary reason why South Indian can be found among Southeast Asians is due to the Tamil Chola Empire which had territory all the way to Borneo.

http://topyaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Chola-Territory.jpg

Places like Sumatra and Peninsular Malaysia however have ancient Arab admixture and most of it is Yemeni in origin.

Petalpusher

10-18-2016, 06:40 PM

What do you think is the westernmost limit for Papuan ancestry?

It never stops, some was brought in Europe by IE as they had southern bribes rich in CHG/Iran_Neo and with some ASI/ASE. It just declines heavily starting from the Caucasus.

Danishmend

10-18-2016, 07:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwVA8UTtOc

Milo

10-18-2016, 07:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwVA8UTtOc
>Nabatea1 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY0EuvD6JxDGH3dWcFcPOQ)

WHAT THA FUCK DID I JUST WATCH

Berahthraban

10-18-2016, 07:23 PM

It never stops, some was brought in Europe by IE as they had southern bribes rich in CHG/Iran_Neo and with some ASI/ASE. It just declines heavily starting from the Caucasus.

Interesting :D how much Papuan could I be?

SureshBhatt

10-18-2016, 07:24 PM

Indian has a lot of West Eurasian ancestry, but that is not the reason why Afghans score 20% South Indian. It is really funny how you can't cope with your Indian like ancestry and have trouble accepting it despite everything showing is there.

why do all you Eurotrash shoe shiners and middle eastern sand niggers keep talking about Indians in your threads about who is whiter? Indians don't care for either group. I'm not even a south Indian, but Tamil Brahmins still produce far more useful people. Like some of the greatest mathematicians to have ever lived. lol

http://media.new.mensxp.com/media/content/2015/Sep/mathematical-genius-srinivasa-ramanujan-652x400-3-1443443542.jpg

Selurong

10-18-2016, 07:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwVA8UTtOc

Lol. For a mod, you sure are trollish.

SureshBhatt

10-18-2016, 07:29 PM

why do all you Eurotrash shoe shiners and middle eastern sand niggers keep talking about Indians in your threads about who is whiter? Indians don't care for either group. I'm not even a south Indian, but Tamil Brahmins still produce far more useful people. Like some of the greatest mathematicians to have ever lived.

http://www.indianmathsociety.org.in/23-SRamanujan.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b1/9d/6a/b19d6af4d7eacdf0054e3e2ab089eeb7.jpg

Breathe

10-18-2016, 07:34 PM

What on Earth is a "Papuan Fascade"....never heard about this before. Is this a word made up by you lol? Pashto people are not desi. I think they have Persian background or something. They certainly look different because they have "Arab-like" ugly noses.

Milo

10-18-2016, 07:37 PM

lmao @ suresh

What on Earth is a "Papuan Fascade"....never heard about this before. Is this a word made up by you lol? Pashto people are not desi. I think they have Persian background or something. They certainly look different because they have "Arab-like" ugly noses.
:lol:

Insuperable

10-18-2016, 07:39 PM

why do all you Eurotrash shoe shiners and middle eastern sand niggers keep talking about Indians in your threads about who is whiter? Indians don't care for either group. I'm not even a south Indian, but Tamil Brahmins still produce far more useful people. Like some of the greatest mathematicians to have ever lived. lol

You give enough shit to comment and create account. But, I most certainly don't give a shit about you nor would I on my own write one post about Indians if not for some incentive. This is between me and Myanthropologies.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 08:19 PM

>Nabatea1 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY0EuvD6JxDGH3dWcFcPOQ)

WHAT THA FUCK DID I JUST WATCH

I'm fucking famous.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 08:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLwVA8UTtOc

You know I know how to edit videos too. And my crazydaisy comic wasn't too bad for something I put together in 45 minutes. I'm going to make one of you that's super epic.

Myanthropologies

10-18-2016, 08:22 PM

But I plan on making one of Ylla first

Mortimer

10-19-2016, 01:22 AM

Vyasa

10-19-2016, 01:32 AM

Pashtotard MyAnthropologies is an Australian Aboriginal sex slave of his leather daddy Caitlyn Jenner!

Selurong

10-19-2016, 03:13 AM

Welcome to the tribe.

Yeah! Papuan pride!

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/02/07/1226821/019034-png-hunters.jpg

Myanthropologies

10-19-2016, 07:41 AM

Pashtotard MyAnthropologies is an Australian Aboriginal sex slave of his leather daddy Caitlyn Jenner!

And what are you? Daalkhore

Tyrone Jackson

10-19-2016, 05:59 PM

And what are you? Daalkhore

Wow fucking racist, you fucking misogynst and supporter of the patriarchy! You sexually harassed me you pig.

Danishmend

10-19-2016, 06:08 PM

Which calculator is that? Is it on Gedmatch. I score less then a percent papuan. But I score Ancestral Indian, Southindian etc. depends on calculator. I guess where there is no ancestral indian I would score Papuan. Papuan strong!

Neolithic Iranian Calculator, it is not available on Gedmatch, follow the link. --> http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8166-Updated-Neolithic-Iranian-Calculator

" Georgians are "Armeniod," Levantines are "Beoudins," Pasthuns and Caucasians are "Onge admixed"?

Haha, you are grouping Pashtuns and Caucasians together again. You will never give up. ;) What a passion.

Myanthropologies

10-19-2016, 06:13 PM

Neolithic Iranian Calculator, it is not available on Gedmatch, follow the link. --> http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8166-Updated-Neolithic-Iranian-Calculator

Haha, you are grouping Pashtuns and Caucasians together again. You will never give up. ;) What a passion.

Hahaha why have you yet to answer my question and continuously avoid it? Are you owd

Myanthropologies

10-19-2016, 06:37 PM

Nothing in this thread is serious. It makes pashtuns sound like quadroons when they're not. Europeans barley have any ASI, except for maybe some balkanite populations who can have like maybe 1-2%. The rest of Europeans maybe only have like 0.5%. Pashtuns in reality are about as ASI shifted as much as Finns are mongolian shifted.

Danishmend

10-19-2016, 07:39 PM

Pashtuns in reality are about as ASI shifted as much as Finns are mongolian shifted.

Finns aren't 20% East Eurasian.

(ASI = Ancestral South Indian peaks in South Indian populations)
Eurogenes k13 - South Asian admixture http://bga101.blogspot.com.tr/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.html
http://i.hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj.png (http://hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj)

HarappaWorld - South Indian adixture http://www.harappadna.org/tag/harappaworld/
http://i.hizliresim.com/oERZmX.png (http://hizliresim.com/oERZmX)

Myanthropologies

10-19-2016, 08:50 PM

Finns aren't 20% East Eurasian.

(ASI = Ancestral South Indian peaks in South Indian populations)
Eurogenes k13 - South Asian admixture http://bga101.blogspot.com.tr/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.html
http://i.hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj.png (http://hizliresim.com/5Y1kaj)

HarappaWorld - South Indian adixture http://www.harappadna.org/tag/harappaworld/
http://i.hizliresim.com/oERZmX.png (http://hizliresim.com/oERZmX)

Pashtuns aren't 20% South Asian either. I'm not even going to debate with you anymore because everyone already knows ancestral indian isn't even nearly pure ASI

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:29 AM

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:32 AM

Pashtuns aren't 20% South Asian either. I'm not even going to debate with you anymore because everyone already knows ancestral indian isn't even nearly pure ASI

Whatever it is you share it with other southasians, it drastically declines west of afghanistan iran/iraq/turkey etc. to 4% ancestral indian. look at All In results he is 4% southindian, it would be interesting to see the results of a iranian from harappaworld or eurogenesK13

Hadouken

10-20-2016, 02:33 AM

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:34 AM

which calculator are we talking about ?

Harappa World and Eurogenes K13

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 02:35 AM

Whatever it is you share it with other southasians, it drastically declines west of afghanistan iran/iraq/turkey etc. to 4% ancestral indian. look at All In results he is 4% southindian, it would be interesting to see the results of a iranian from harappaworld or eurogenesK13

The caucasoid input in South India didn't even come from India though. Also nobody knows what I am like genetically. I could be like anything tbh, I haven't taken a test yet. Though I am getting a kit for my birthday net month.

I could be more indian shifted than the average afghan, more n Caucasus shifted than the average afghan, or just like the average afghan who is in between Balochi and Chechen. Who knows.

Hadouken

10-20-2016, 02:36 AM

Harappa World and Eurogenes K13

I score 1.97 south indian on harappa and 6.7 south asian (which is not the same "south indian" btw) on eurogenes k13 :) maybe you mistook something

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:36 AM

The caucasoid input in South India didn't even come from India though. Also nobody knows what I am like genetically. I could be like anything tbh, I haven't taken a test yet. Though I am getting a kit for my birthday net month.

I didnt said you are not caucasoid, you are caucasoid of course. Many Indians are caucasoid too. And we talk about Afghan Pashtuns in general.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:39 AM

I score 1.97 south indian on harappa and 6.7 south asian (which is not the same "south indian" btw) on eurogenes k13 :) maybe you mistook something

I just took it as comparison measurement to afghans, i know its not all the same. Well a Afghan scores almost 20% south indian on harappa and you score 2%. Big difference. Thats all I wanted to say, I didnt said they are not caucasoid and southindian is mostly caucasoid too but they do share it with modern day indian populations but west of afghanistan it drastically declines. How much southasian are you on 23andme and lets compare to a afghan? Afghans are 40-60% southasian and rest middle eastern, how much are you on 23andme thats how we can compare? I didnt said they are not caucasoid or whatever but they share with modern day southasian genetics.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 02:40 AM

I didnt said you are not caucasoid, you are caucasoid of course. Many Indians are caucasoid too. And we talk about Afghan Pashtuns in general.

I know, but I don't see why Afghans are compared to South Indians, completely foreign to us. We don't "share" anything to them. They are far genetically removed from afghans. I'm not denying that I could be indian shifted genetically. There is a possibility that I could more indian shifted than the average afghan, or I could be more n Caucasus shifted than the average afghan. The average is in between both n Caucasus and North India tho.

Hadouken

10-20-2016, 02:41 AM

I just took it as comparison measurement to afghans, i know its not all the same. Well a Afghan scores almost 20% south indian on harappa and you score 2%. Big difference. Thats all I wanted to say, I didnt said they are not caucasoid and southindian is mostly caucasoid too but they do share it with modern day indian populations but west of afghanistan it drastically declines. How much southasian are you on 23andme and lets compare to a afghan? Afghans are 40-60% southasian and rest middle eastern, how much are you on 23andme thats how we can compare? I didnt said they are not caucasoid or whatever but they share with modern day southasian genetics.

I am not arguing against you I just corrected you because you said wrong numbers of me :)

I score 0% south asian on 23andme

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:41 AM

I know, but I don't see why Afghans are compared to South Indians, completely foreign to us. We don't "share" anything to them. They are far genetically removed from afghans. I'm not denying that I could be indian shifted genetically. There is a possibility that I could more indian shifted than the average afghan, or I could be more n Caucasus shifted than the average afghan. The average is in between both n Caucasus and North India tho.

We once agreed that afghans are irano-afghan classification and eastern iranid people. I dont compare to any indians. I just correct you about genetics, because you deny it etc.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:42 AM

I am not arguing against you I just corrected you because you said wrong numbers of me :)

I score 0% south asian on 23andme

Ok, I thought you scored 4% southindian, but it was 1.97% sorry bro.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 02:45 AM

We once agreed that afghans are irano-afghan classification and eastern iranid people. I dont compare to any indians. I just correct you about genetics, because you deny it etc.

You don't get it. Afghan groups, Indian groups, and Caucasian groups have a CHG like caucasoid component that was often proxied as south indian, but it's not literally south indian. Afghans are to South Indians as Palestinians are to Horners, for example.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:47 AM

You don't get it. Afghan groups, Indian groups, and Caucasian groups have a CHG like caucasoid component that was often proxied as south indian, but it's not literally south indian. Afghans are to South Indians as Palestinians are to Horners, for example.

Caucasians dont score significant southindian sorry dude. You are related genetically to modern day southasian populations at least in part.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 02:50 AM

Caucasians dont score significant southindian sorry dude. You are related genetically to modern day southasian populations at least in part.

I am not denying that, but in all seriousness, look at a PCA chart. Look at how big central south asian is. I don't share much with south Indians at all.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/images/upload/misc/EliasAlucard_-_23andMe_v3_-_PCA_-_Global.png

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 02:52 AM

I am not denying that, but in all seriousness, look at a PCA chart. Look at how big central south asian is. I don't share much with south Indians at all.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/images/upload/misc/EliasAlucard_-_23andMe_v3_-_PCA_-_Global.png

I know that scientists include afghans into the southasian cluster, like you see here, of course its diversified some are more east and some are more west, but they are in the same colour/cluster. They wouldnt do it without any reason. Afghans are always in the southasian cluster, the west end of the southasian cluster but still.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 03:00 AM

I know that scientists include afghans into the southasian cluster, like you see here, of course its diversified some are more east and some are more west, but they are in the same colour/cluster. They wouldnt do it without any reason. Afghans are always in the southasian cluster, the west end of the southasian cluster but still.

No they aren't, here's my response to you, from another afghan. Honestly, it's okay to tease a little from time to time, but I never see any serious deixcussion on the genetics of pashtuns, it's kind of annoying

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?152075-POLL-Which-other-(Northwest)-South-Asian-ethnicity-are-Pashtuns-the-closest-to-genetically

literally obsessed, and for the millionth time, pathans from pakistan and india are clearly different from pashtuns in afghanistan (aside from the tribal ones in pakistan living along the durand)

Genetic studies do show that pathans of india and pakistan are essentially ~20% south indian and 80% a mix of predominantly west asian and whatever else, and the same genetic studies show that the afghan pashtuns are anywhere from 5-10% south asian with the rest being not south asian, why is this so hard for you to understand? Genetically distinct from north indians, culturally distinct from north indians, linguistically distinct from north indians, phenotypically distinct from north indians aside from SOME overlap that occurs.

We don't consider ourselves south asian, and neither does anybody else aside from retards like yourself, we consider ourselves to be central asian if anything with a shift to west asian and a shift to south asian, none of us are denying there is a bit of south asian in our gene pool, what we're denying is we're a south asian people and that's more than definitely a fair point - virtually everyone in pakistan and india sees pashtuns as hard headed barbaric invaders with a history of pillaging india, our contribution to south india is basically killing and enslaving them, completely foreign to them other than a dozen of bollywood actors in india whose parent(s) have been from afghanistan.

I doubt you'll even read this, jatt, since you type like an 8 year old.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 03:10 AM

No they aren't, here's my response to you, from another afghan. Honestly, it's okay to tease a little from time to time, but I never see any serious deixcussion on the genetics of pashtuns, it's kind of annoying

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?152075-POLL-Which-other-(Northwest)-South-Asian-ethnicity-are-Pashtuns-the-closest-to-genetically

He conflates southindian with pure ASI thats why he came to conclusion that Afghan Pashtuns are 5% Southindian when they are 20%. Look at the chart posted by danishmend, says it all. I never claimed afghans "are southasians" though. I could care less about pashtuns, thats why I wont argue with you anymore, but I dont like people who deny reality and are stubborn in nonsense.

zarzian

10-20-2016, 03:25 AM

He conflates southindian with pure ASI thats why he came to conclusion that Afghan Pashtuns are 5% Southindian when they are 20%. Look at the chart posted by danishmend, says it all. I never claimed afghans "are southasians" though. I could care less about pashtuns, thats why I wont argue with you anymore, but I dont like people who deny reality and are stubborn in nonsense.

Whether he scores 5% or 20% SA still doesn't make him South Asian, its like saying Europeans are Bedouins because they score 25%+ ENF. Pashtuns are an Iranic people with elevated SA ancestry due to close proximity to SA.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 03:27 AM

Wether he scores 5% or 20% SA still doesn't make him South Asian, its like saying Europeans are Bedouins because they score 25%+ ENF. Pashtuns are an Iranic people with elevated SA ancestry due to close procimity to SA.

I never said they are southasian but they dont need to deny what is in their genetics etc. And ENF is similar to Sardinian not Bedouin. ENF peaks in Sardinians. I dont know about the history of Afghanistan but it was always a crossroad I guess, Im sure at one point hindus/buddhists lived there, before it became islamic/persianate etc. also hunns, and turks and arabs invaded etc. That being said I do count them as iranid. But they dont need to deny anything or minimise etc. Also they say they pillaged india and were conquerors etc. do they equate themselfes with "aryans"? Or what do they mean? I dont know the history

zarzian

10-20-2016, 03:35 AM

I never said they are southasian but they dont need to deny what is in their genetics etc. And ENF is similar to Sardinian not Bedouin. ENF peaks in Sardinians. I dont know about the history of Afghanistan but it was always a crossroad I guess, Im sure at one point hindus/buddhists lived there, before it became islamic/persianate etc. also hunns, and turks and arabs invaded etc. That being said I do count them as iranid. But they dont need to deny anything or minimise etc. Also they say they pillaged india and were conquerors etc. do they equate themselfes with "aryans"? Or what do they mean? I dont know the history

Ok, ENF peaks in Sardinians, fine, but do you still not differentiate a Belorussian from a southern Italian? Or do you consider them the same because the Bellorussian scores 30% ENF? I don't specifically mean you are saying this because you have already stated that you do differentiate Pashtuns from South Asians, but there are some opportunists that are equating having ASI admixture with being a South Asian.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 03:36 AM

Ok, ENF peaks in Sardinians, fine, but do you still not differentiate a Belorussian from a southern Italian? Or do you consider them the same because the Bellorussian scores 30% ENF? I don't specifically mean you are saying this because you have already stated that you do differentiate Pashtuns from South Asians, but there are some opportunists that are equating having ASI admixture with being a South Asian.

OK we are in agreement bro. Pashtuns are iranid people for me.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 03:43 AM

I never said they are southasian but they dont need to deny what is in their genetics etc. And ENF is similar to Sardinian not Bedouin. ENF peaks in Sardinians. I dont know about the history of Afghanistan but it was always a crossroad I guess, Im sure at one point hindus/buddhists lived there, before it became islamic/persianate etc. also hunns, and turks and arabs invaded etc. That being said I do count them as iranid. But they dont need to deny anything or minimise etc. Also they say they pillaged india and were conquerors etc. do they equate themselfes with "aryans"? Or what do they mean? I dont know the history

Some afghans do only score 5% South indian, I've seen it before. Afghanistan is a huge country with a mostly Iranic history, yet you seem obsessed with the fact that some eastern afghans were Buddhists for like only 200 years. We do share stuff with a few north indian groups but we share virtually nothing with south Indians. Pashtuns are over 60% CHG/Iranian Neolithic like, around 20% N European, some 10% Natufian, and like 5-9% AS, with some minor east asian as well. The south indian component is a very outdated one now, just like the former north European, etc components are. We have Iranian neolithic, we have ASE, etc. The caucasoid component in South Indians is not even from India, but from zagros mountain farmers who were CHG like.

Nobody is denying that there is a little south asian influence

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 03:46 AM

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 03:55 AM

Some afghans do only score 5% South indian, I've seen it before. Afghanistan is a huge country with a mostly Iranic history, yet you seem obsessed with the fact that some eastern afghans were Buddhists for like only 200 years. We do share stuff with a few north indian groups but we share virtually nothing with south Indians. Pashtuns are over 60% CHG/Iranian Neolithic like, around 20% N European, some 10% Natufian, and like 5-9% AS, with some minor east asian as well. The south indian component is a very outdated one now, just like the former north European, etc components are. We have Iranian neolithic, we have ASE, etc. The caucasoid component in South Indians is not even from India, but from zagros mountain farmers who were CHG like.

Nobody is denying that there is a little south asian influence

maybe the southindian is outdated. i really dont know. well no one is pure and no one is from one place, all humans are from eastern africa, but i talked about modern day southasian clusters, look what i posted for comparison before, how much All In scores southindian on harappaworld and on 23andme southasian and how much a afghan, for comparison etc. He is western asian.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 03:58 AM

maybe the southindian is outdated. i really dont know. well no one is pure and no one is from one place, all humans are from eastern africa, but i talked about modern day southasian clusters, look what i posted for comparison before, how much All In scores southindian on harappaworld and on 23andme southasian and how much a afghan, for comparison etc. He is western asian.

Afghans are genetically western asian as well. They are 60% straight up west asian, and 10% Natufian, they're like 70% West Asian genetically. And besides that, the remaining portion of their ancestry is like 15-20% North European, and the rest south & east asian. Pashtuns are definitely "West Eurasians" genetically.

Even north indians themselves are pretty *genetically* removed from South Indians.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 03:59 AM

the first hominids in india were homo erectus (not homo sapiens) but technically they werent from india either, because they came from somewhere else, so indias history like europe history is that all hominids and homo sapiens came from somewhere else.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 04:00 AM

Afghans are genetically western asian as well. They are 60% straight up west asian, and 10% Natufian, they're like 70% West Asian genetically. And besides that, the remaining portion of their ancestry is like 15-20% North European, and the rest south & east asian. Pashtuns are definitely "West Eurasians" genetically.

there is a difference between westerneuroasian and westasian, westerneuroasian can be divided into european, western asian, southasian (to large degree). he is western asian proper. but i can count you as western asian too if you want im the last to tell others how they should identify and the least a ancient people like the afghans.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 04:15 AM

there is a difference between westerneuroasian and westasian, westerneuroasian can be divided into european, western asian, southasian (to large degree). he is western asian proper. but i can count you as western asian too if you want im the last to tell others how they should identify and the least a ancient people like the afghans.

Look at this Sicilian oracle

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42

Now look at these afghans ones:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

And this one

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

Even in the worst calculator, like the last one I posted, afghan pashtuns are not that genetically close to North Indians. They are genetically in between North Indians (an extremely west asian shifted population), North Caucasians, and West Iranics. Afghans are genetically western asian, and North Indians are borderline genetically west asian.

Also, as I've highlighted, Afghans are as genetically removed from North Indians as some sicilians are from saudis, actually, even more in some cases. Nobody would dare to call a sicilian anything other than European though. Honestly, the reason that I used to bug on South Italians and Greeks a bit for being outliers is because I saw how much it annoyed them, and I knew that if then being compared to Middle easterners (wrongfully) annoys them, there is nothing wrong with me being annoyed with afghans being compared to indians when it's the same dish. I have no issue with indians feeling close to Afghans at all. They are close to us, but we are not indians, but west asians.

Milo

10-20-2016, 04:17 AM

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 04:20 AM

why do some afghans show even veddid influence then?

Because they have 5-9% of it in them maybe? That's very rare. However I do know an afghan girl who dressed up as an indian for Halloween, put the red dot on her forehead and everything, and came out looking like a real Gujurati. I literally told her people aren't going to tell that she's wearing a costume and are gonna think she's indian lmao

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 04:32 AM

Look at this Sicilian oracle

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42

Now look at these afghans ones:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

And this one

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

Even in the worst calculator, like the last one I posted, afghan pashtuns are not that genetically close to North Indians. They are genetically in between North Indians (an extremely west asian shifted population), North Caucasians, and West Iranics. Afghans are genetically western asian, and North Indians are borderline genetically west asian.

Also, as I've highlighted, Afghans are as genetically removed from North Indians as some sicilians are from saudis, actually, even more in some cases. Nobody would dare to call a sicilian anything other than European though. Honestly, the reason that I used to bug on South Italians and Greeks a bit for being outliers is because I saw how much it annoyed them, and I knew that if then being compared to Middle easterners (wrongfully) annoys them, there is nothing wrong with me being annoyed with afghans being compared to indians when it's the same dish. I have no issue with indians feeling close to Afghans at all. They are close to us, but we are not indians, but west asians.

In the first one they are closer to gujurati then to punjabi though, doesnt make much sense. And in the second one they are closest to southasians. Of course they are closest to other afghan populations, first is afghan-tadjik, afghan-uzbek etc. and then southasian populations. you highlighted punjabi and brahui but you forgot gujarati and the other southasians. but im out now, because you are a cool guy, and i dont want to upset you.

lameduck

10-20-2016, 04:32 AM

Look at this Sicilian oracle

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42

Now look at these afghans ones:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

And this one

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

Even in the worst calculator, like the last one I posted, afghan pashtuns are not that genetically close to North Indians. They are genetically in between North Indians (an extremely west asian shifted population), North Caucasians, and West Iranics. Afghans are genetically western asian, and North Indians are borderline genetically west asian.

Also, as I've highlighted, Afghans are as genetically removed from North Indians as some sicilians are from saudis, actually, even more in some cases. Nobody would dare to call a sicilian anything other than European though. Honestly, the reason that I used to bug on South Italians and Greeks a bit for being outliers is because I saw how much it annoyed them, and I knew that if then being compared to Middle easterners (wrongfully) annoys them, there is nothing wrong with me being annoyed with afghans being compared to indians when it's the same dish. I have no issue with indians feeling close to Afghans at all. They are close to us, but we are not indians, but west asians.

these pashtun sample look east eurasian influenced since they are getting Uzbeks quite early. Pashtuns from Eastern regions dont have any East Eurasian but more South Asian so its kinda trade off.

Registan

10-20-2016, 04:33 AM

why do some afghans show even veddid influence then?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02847/fahim1_2847937b.jpg

http://ep00.epimg.net/internacional/imagenes/2014/03/15/actualidad/1394923861_355867_1394924045_noticia_normal.jpg

Why do you keep posting Marshall Fahim and mocking him, he died 2 years ago! He is well-respected in Panjsher since its inhabitants don't have a caste system and obsess over such matters.

Here is his brother, Haseen Fahim, also a Panjshiri Tajik.

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/plugins/mygallery/images/2/haseen_fahim.jpg

Milo

10-20-2016, 04:35 AM

Milo

10-20-2016, 04:36 AM

Because they have 5-9% of it in them maybe? That's very rare. However I do know an afghan girl who dressed up as an indian for Halloween, put the red dot on her forehead and everything, and came out looking like a real Gujurati. I literally told her people aren't going to tell that she's wearing a costume and are gonna think she's indian lmao
how different do these two teams look
http://i59.tinypic.com/23kr802.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vm7jhd.jpg

Registan

10-20-2016, 04:45 AM

How am I mocking him wtf? saying he has veddid features is mocking him?

anyways here check this thread
http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun-history-/48553-ancestral-home-sher-shah-sur-6.html
http://www.pashtunforums.com/781108-post59.html

I recall you mocking him in another thread, apologize.

On principle I don't click any links pertaining to that forum. Why do you go there?

Milo

10-20-2016, 04:47 AM

I recall you mocking him in another thread, apologize.

On principle I don't click any links pertaining to that forum. Why do you go there?I don't have an account there, the thread just came up in google search.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:11 AM

how different do these two teams look
http://i59.tinypic.com/23kr802.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vm7jhd.jpg

The Pakistani cricket team has pashtuns in its that's why some look similar. Anyways, I love how the only examples anyone ever has are the cricket teams. The afghan and indian soccer teams look completely different from each other

Afghan

https://oxy.tribuna.com/fetch/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fu.goal.com%2F313100%2F313189hp2. jpg

Indian

http://img01.ibnlive.in/ibnlive/uploads/2015/09/chhetri-team_1009getty_750.jpg

Pakistani:

http://i.dawn.com/archives/2010/Website%20Sports/672PakNationalTeamZR_608x325.jpg

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:17 AM

Afghans are as removed from even north india as much as some sicilians are removed from saudis, literally. I have no problem with indians who feel close to Afghans at all, Indians are definitely apart of Afghan history. But I have an issue when people call afghans an indian or south asIan people.

I don't know of any Indians who would want to be associated with Afghans or sand nigger Iranians/Arabs. If they do, they are making fools of themselves and just embarrassing themselves.

It would be as offensive to a true Indian as calling a Spaniard a Mexican.

Milo

10-20-2016, 05:19 AM

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:20 AM

The Pakistani cricket team has pashtuns in its that's why some look similar. Anyways, I love how the only examples anyone ever has are the cricket teams. The afghan and indian soccer teams look completely different from each other

Afghan

https://oxy.tribuna.com/fetch/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fu.goal.com%2F313100%2F313189hp2. jpg

Indian

http://img01.ibnlive.in/ibnlive/uploads/2015/09/chhetri-team_1009getty_750.jpg

Pakistani:

http://i.dawn.com/archives/2010/Website%20Sports/672PakNationalTeamZR_608x325.jpg

to be fair the indian soccer team looks to be less indic then average, they look to be fairly asiatic even and dravidic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Indian_Team.JPG

well some who are indic would pass with the afghans well

https://www.google.at/#q=indian+soccer+team+2016

this dude looks asiatic even
https://www.google.at/#q=Jeje+Lalpekhlua&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3sEzPSy40fcR4lpFb4OWP e8JShxknrTl5jXEPI5eYR35RZlV-XklijktiSWpQanFJUWZyiVAEF3dwaklIvm9-SmZapZCnkDuXbHaylX5xQX5RSTGUii9JTcy1KsovLkktElLjYn PNK8ksqRSS4eKV4gTZa2yaE2-pwSDFzYXgCnlwsYBsEnLg4pBiMTIwNNNgUjLhkuHi4XjAL8Aow RjEHBriLATm8UjIg3lKXBzCAiwQ1VocHMxAZcIKLDwAWkvnh98 AAAA

this dude could pass as afghan
https://www.google.at/#q=Sandesh+Jhingan&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAH1QPW8TQRDlchY6xkax1ghFRyKQkVBE cw7EKB8NEiBCQROCRLfanOfsldc7x-5YJ_Mz8jtSUtKlSkFLQYEQHf-AkrUJ4SykVLsz897Mey-Ju5BNsp7d3hkOxz-iz1Gz_fPXt056Fp2cnn-JPkVw-4Cc_kCWlXmuGA_Rs9M5i3fQfIN8RK9poIuZeCVewsY438t8SY7 9xSMZ1WTPkWd04gFcf2FZ80ysw830xvzu476Ru5vX0ib8K8UBN OaXxFNI0saj3taTzZXuNqxDK_m-2o7WosP47dEzsahaa3cXVReSTrvxB_0wSeIA69xrtL6unMWwML g7tPn7vvgYw50sJ2MwZ00285Tn6GRBrlJu4CGtDydTq22meGSQ 0cNOfTa2VBkcDFGWyqLxGRWFzrUyssJjrwNeVqPwGO0Zelcy1Z RHIWKeyZIYQ0DKgKgzSqTS4LK2C-GlUTN0HvpLeEcFeh--QY7yAarVfBBsEh8rYy5pq0t20cKteuPS-f2lbtjsWVmWDifaDsKeLOyE_StNLkQYaZErcmM59YFWS2jj_9z _ig3A37k63vCmAgAA

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:22 AM

to be fair the indian soccer team looks to be less indic then average, they look to be fairly asiatic even and dravidic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Indian_Team.JPG

well some who are indic would pass with the afghans well

https://www.google.at/#q=indian+soccer+team+2016

this dude looks asiatic even
https://www.google.at/#q=Jeje+Lalpekhlua&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3sEzPSy40fcR4lpFb4OWP e8JShxknrTl5jXEPI5eYR35RZlV-XklijktiSWpQanFJUWZyiVAEF3dwaklIvm9-SmZapZCnkDuXbHaylX5xQX5RSTGUii9JTcy1KsovLkktElLjYn PNK8ksqRSS4eKV4gTZa2yaE2-pwSDFzYXgCnlwsYBsEnLg4pBiMTIwNNNgUjLhkuHi4XjAL8Aow RjEHBriLATm8UjIg3lKXBzCAiwQ1VocHMxAZcIKLDwAWkvnh98 AAAA

this dude could pass as afghan
https://www.google.at/#q=Sandesh+Jhingan&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAH1QPW8TQRDlchY6xkax1ghFRyKQkVBE cw7EKB8NEiBCQROCRLfanOfsldc7x-5YJ_Mz8jtSUtKlSkFLQYEQHf-AkrUJ4SykVLsz897Mey-Ju5BNsp7d3hkOxz-iz1Gz_fPXt056Fp2cnn-JPkVw-4Cc_kCWlXmuGA_Rs9M5i3fQfIN8RK9poIuZeCVewsY438t8SY7 9xSMZ1WTPkWd04gFcf2FZ80ysw830xvzu476Ru5vX0ib8K8UBN OaXxFNI0saj3taTzZXuNqxDK_m-2o7WosP47dEzsahaa3cXVReSTrvxB_0wSeIA69xrtL6unMWwML g7tPn7vvgYw50sJ2MwZ00285Tn6GRBrlJu4CGtDydTq22meGSQ 0cNOfTa2VBkcDFGWyqLxGRWFzrUyssJjrwNeVqPwGO0Zelcy1Z RHIWKeyZIYQ0DKgKgzSqTS4LK2C-GlUTN0HvpLeEcFeh--QY7yAarVfBBsEh8rYy5pq0t20cKteuPS-f2lbtjsWVmWDifaDsKeLOyE_StNLkQYaZErcmM59YFWS2jj_9z _ig3A37k63vCmAgAA

That's the thing, they pass as Afghan, not the other way around (though that can happen too). Collectively they look very different though.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:22 AM

well you obviously can't compare Afghans to the whole of India, there's no point in that.
here is the Jammu and Kashmir team
http://www.msrsportsnews.com:81/News_Images/Large/Santosh%20Trophy%20-%20Jammu-and-Kashmir.jpg

Pakistan:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/4152872194_a98cc4259d.jpg

the Afghans don't look awfully different, though obviously they are more west asian looking.

true india is very diverse, afghanst can be compared to indics but not to dravidics or asiatics or austrics, austronesians etc.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:23 AM

That's the thing, they pass as Afghan, not the other way around (though that can happen too). Collectively they look very different though.

well india is like 70% "indo-aryan" and 30% dravidian, mongol, australoid etc. obviously australoids, austronesians, mongols, wouldnt pass

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:24 AM

well india is like 70% "indo-aryan" and 30% dravidian, mongol, australoid etc. obviously australoids, austronesians, mongols, wouldnt pass

India is mostly Indo Aryan and Dravidian. very little mongol except in the Northeast.

at any rate, Indians don't want to be associate with any west Asians or middle easterners.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:24 AM

well you obviously can't compare Afghans to the whole of India, there's no point in that.
here is the Jammu and Kashmir team
http://www.msrsportsnews.com:81/News_Images/Large/Santosh%20Trophy%20-%20Jammu-and-Kashmir.jpg

Pakistan:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/4152872194_a98cc4259d.jpg

the Afghans don't look awfully different, though obviously they are more west asian looking.

Afghans efjnitelt overlap with kashmiris some, but they still look noticeably different

https://oxy.tribuna.com/fetch/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fu.goal.com%2F313100%2F313189hp2. jpg..

Afghans look more like Iranians than like any ethnic group in india.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:27 AM

Afghans efjnitelt overlap with kashmiris some, but they still look noticeably different

https://oxy.tribuna.com/fetch/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fu.goal.com%2F313100%2F313189hp2. jpg..

Afghans look more like Iranians than like any ethnic group in india.

there isnt a big difference between iranians and northindians to me, look at this iranian (the iranians have more people with fair skin though but there is some good overlap)
http://www.wazala.org/photos/Iran-Afghanistan/Iran_man_with_moustache~medium.jpg doesnt he look like a "paki"?

Milo

10-20-2016, 05:27 AM

Afghans efjnitelt overlap with kashmiris some, but they still look noticeably different
Afghans look more like Iranians than like any ethnic group in india.
No one said otherwise, but to make statements like Afghans are as removed from North Indians as Sicilians are from Saudis is autistic

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:27 AM

well india is like 70% "indo-aryan" and 30% dravidian, mongol, australoid etc. obviously australoids, austronesians, mongols, wouldnt pass

No, indics are not related comparable with afghans either, aside from some kashmiris. Lol, why are indians so obsessed with comparing themselves to Afghans and not other indians?

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:27 AM

Afghans are NOT Indians, and Indians are NOT Afghans. Afghans are closer to Iranians.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/31/weekinreview/13rohde_CA0/articleLarge.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/31/weekinreview/13rohde_CA0/articleLarge.jpg

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:28 AM

No, indics are not related comparable with afghans either, aside from some kashmiris. Lol, why are indians so obsessed with comparing themselves to Afghans and not other indians?

well they are both brown so i will continue to compare them, iranians too

Milo

10-20-2016, 05:28 AM

No, indics are not related comparable with afghans either, aside from some kashmiris. Lol, why are indians so obsessed with comparing themselves to Afghans and not other indians?
no one wants to compare themselves to afghans

you guys are the ones denying your papuan roots

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:29 AM

there isnt a big difference between iranians and northindians to me, look at this iranian (the iranians have more people with fair skin though but there is some good overlap)
http://www.wazala.org/photos/Iran-Afghanistan/Iran_man_with_moustache~medium.jpg doesnt he look like a "paki"?

Again yiure using individual and atypical examples. I could find you a Saudi who looks Swedish, but does that mean swedes pass in Saudi Arabia?

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:30 AM

Again yiure using individual and atypical examples. I could find you a Saudi who looks Swedish, but does that mean swedes pass in Saudi Arabia?

he isnt as atypical as a bedouin passing in sweden, dont be delusional he looks fairly typical at least like 40% of the population i did said that many persians do have light skin though

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:30 AM

Yeah Indian Americans want to be associated with Afghans.:rotfl:

https://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/omar-mateen-photo.jpg?w=625

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/31/weekinreview/13rohde_CA0/articleLarge.jpg

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:30 AM

No one said otherwise, but to make statements like Afghans are as removed from North Indians as Sicilians are from Saudis is autistic

Actually it's not. Not genetically. And even not phenotypically to a degree considering how diverse Saudi js

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:31 AM

he isnt as atypical as a bedouin passing in sweden, dont be delusional he looks fairly typical at least like 40% of the population i did said that many persians do have light skin though

He is still atypical. 40% of persians dont look like that. I know many persians, you don't.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:31 AM

Actually it's not. Not genetically. And even not phenotypically to a degree considering how diverse Saudi js

you cant escape the truth

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:32 AM

I'm sure the Indian American community is insulted they are not associated with Afghans and MENAs.

https://next-geebee.ft.com/image/v1/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws .com%2Faf0f2a26-7f34-11e6-8e50-8ec15fb462f4?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=700

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:33 AM

He is still atypical. 40% of persians dont look like that. I know many persians, you don't.

i dont know many persians but he looks like a kebab, and i have common sense and persians certainly look like the kebabs i wil never believe you are the typical afghan or persian

http://images.alarabiya.net/32/23/640x392_79745_259489.jpg

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:33 AM

no one wants to compare themselves to afghans

you guys are the ones denying your papuan roots

We don't. But on the other hand you have indians on the internet who suffer from complexes towards afghans and then try to claim afghans as Indians for some odd reason. Usually these are the north indians and not the south Indians, who arent ashamed of who they are .

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png.html)

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:34 AM

i dont know many persians but he looks like a kebab, and i have common sense and persians certainly look like the kebabs i wil never believe you are the typical afghan or persian

http://images.alarabiya.net/32/23/640x392_79745_259489.jpg

1/20 Afghans will look similar to me.

Milo

10-20-2016, 05:34 AM

true india is very diverse, afghanst can be compared to indics but not to dravidics or asiatics or austrics, austronesians etc.
some afghans can certainly be compared to asiatics

and some to "dravidics" as well, whatever that means(indic and dravidic are purely linguistic divisions, but anyways)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_vnp9VgC_8o/VqDsCYaghZI/AAAAAAAAC0w/1wZiRQJhJ9U/s640/vlcsnap-2016-01-21-19h22m48s20.png

these types are much less photographed as the european looking types, therefore it leads to a confusion regarding how they look.
To me a normal Pashtun looks something like this:
https://scontent.fbom1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12715206_252528098420537_2425743022453639738_n.jpg ?oh=26ee32cf302c3733b4d554ea3f5e3a55&oe=58AB5EC2

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:34 AM

Well don't. But on the other hand you have indians on the internet who suffer from complexes towards afghans and then try to claim afghans as Indians for some odd reason. Usually these are the north indians and not the south Indians, who arent ashamed of who they are .

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png.html)

I am North Indian. I want nothing to do with MENAs, most of all Persians or Afghans.

Vyasa

10-20-2016, 05:34 AM

You are fucking insane!
You fucktard..
Indians are not Afghans!
nd you are not smart!
Live with it!

Stupid people don't know they're stupid....

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:35 AM

some afghans can certainly be compared to asiatics

and some to "dravidics" as well, whatever that means(indic and dravidic are purely linguistic divisions, but anyways)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_vnp9VgC_8o/VqDsCYaghZI/AAAAAAAAC0w/1wZiRQJhJ9U/s640/vlcsnap-2016-01-21-19h22m48s20.png

these types are much less photographed as the european looking types, therefore it leads to a confusion regarding how they look.
To me a normal Pashtun looks something like this:
https://scontent.fbom1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12715206_252528098420537_2425743022453639738_n.jpg ?oh=26ee32cf302c3733b4d554ea3f5e3a55&oe=58AB5EC2

Albino indians can be compared to nords too. There's quite a lot of albino indians

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:35 AM

Registan

10-20-2016, 05:35 AM

Most Afghans are swarthy/brown and identify as such. Even the white ones don't consider themselves white.

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:35 AM

You are fucking insane!
You fucktard..
Indians are not Afghans!
nd you are not smart!
Live with it!

Stupid people don't know they're stupid....

exactly. Any Indian who wants to be associated with Afghans is a MORON. Its the other way around, in the United States.

In America, MENAs want to be associated with Indians because MENAs/Afghans associated with ISLAM and KEBABS and TERRORISM

lameduck

10-20-2016, 05:36 AM

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:37 AM

some afghans can certainly be compared to asiatics

and some to "dravidics" as well, whatever that means(indic and dravidic are purely linguistic divisions, but anyways)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_vnp9VgC_8o/VqDsCYaghZI/AAAAAAAAC0w/1wZiRQJhJ9U/s640/vlcsnap-2016-01-21-19h22m48s20.png

these types are much less photographed as the european looking types, therefore it leads to a confusion regarding how they look.
To me a normal Pashtun looks something like this:
https://scontent.fbom1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12715206_252528098420537_2425743022453639738_n.jpg ?oh=26ee32cf302c3733b4d554ea3f5e3a55&oe=58AB5EC2

No, they don't. You just tell yourself that, which is why you have photos of individuals only when you post really dark examples.

Milo

10-20-2016, 05:37 AM

exactly. Any Indian who wants to be associated with Afghans is a MORON. Its the other way around, in the United States. MENAs want to be associated with Indians because they are associated with ISLAM and KEBABS.
No Indian wants to be associated with Afghans, we don't care about them. Its just that myanthro is denying that Pashtuns have East Eurasian genetics(when they do).

We aren't morans.
There is a moran hypocrite here though who used to go on about how he looks Iranic/Pashtun and different from other North Indians etc.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:38 AM

Most Afghans are swarthy/brown and identify as such. Even the white ones don't consider themselves white.

Exactly. I wouldn't say brown though, but off white. Still way different looking from indians and closer to Iranians. Afghans don't identify as a race, they identify as Afghan.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:39 AM

you cant escape the truth

You mean like you're trying to do? Lol

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:39 AM

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/09ee36310bb094302d0d2fbc1cb5e19682e4cee3/c=0-0-1400-1867&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2016/09/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636099655403758555-Ahmad-Khan-Rahami-092016.jpg

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:41 AM

Yeah I want to be associated with Islamic terrorists.^

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:44 AM

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:47 AM

Afghans are phenotypically diverse. That's why you can't call them a skin color. There are lots of pale skinned afghans, but many of them have swarthy facial features. The amount of white looking afghans is also underestimated on this forum. There are dark skinned ones too. Afghans are actually a prime example of how society's racial norms cannot apply to everyone. Look at Mortimer and other people trying to shove afghans in a box, but it's clearly not working, cause afghans are too diverse to be boxed into a category.

I still do not care to be associated with Iranians, one way or another. Here I'll post some nice MENAs

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-04-16-1429198300-7891301-IranianAmericanNowruzReception1WillardHotelWashing tonDCMarch312015224.jpg

and bad ones
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/09ee36310bb094302d0d2fbc1cb5e19682e4cee3/c=0-0-1400-1867&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2016/09/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636099655403758555-Ahmad-Khan-Rahami-092016.jpg

Truth Preacher

10-20-2016, 05:48 AM

Why does this discussion never end lul.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:49 AM

Why does this discussion never end lul.

Because people are obsessed.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:52 AM

they do look more kebab then curry though but no way white

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Q03osvujc

They are not a skin color. Some afghans obviously are white, going by phenotype only (cause that seems to be the method you're using), but many aren't either. That's why it's better to just call them afghans and call it a day. That way people aren't divided based on their skin color and pale af afghans aren't being called "brown people" either when that literally makes no sense.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 05:54 AM

Afghans are phenotypically diverse. That's why you can't call them a skin color. There are lots of pale skinned afghans, but many of them have swarthy facial features. The amount of white looking afghans is also underestimated on this forum. There are dark skinned ones too. Afghans are actually a prime example of how society's racial norms cannot apply to everyone. Look at Mortimer and other people trying to shove afghans in a box, but it's clearly not working, cause afghans are too diverse to be boxed into a category.

I just say what common sense tells me. I met only once a afghan in my life. He was a student. Went here to school. He was definitely a brown person. There was a iranian girl in my school, I went to history class with her and she claimed that persians/iranians are "aryans" when the term came up about WW2 etc. But she was definitely brown, and indian looking, I would say even more then the average persian woman. Because she was darker then a turkish woman. Maybe I can find her on facebook then I will show you the picture of her and she had also a big black mole on her face (whites have reddish/brownish moles but she had a black mole like a indian)

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:54 AM

Yes I want to be Iranian.:rotfl:

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/11/000_Nic65052541-635x357.jpg

https://www.mojahedin.org/images/2016/20164985042306144391_A-group-of-IRGC-forces-in-Syria.jpg?c=3

NarendraSeth

10-20-2016, 05:56 AM

man every Indian wishes he was Iranian.:rotfl:

http://conservativepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/000_Nic6440900.jpg

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:57 AM

I just say what common sense tells me. I met only once a afghan in my life. He was a student. Went here to school. He was definitely a brown person. There was a iranian girl in my school, I went to history class with her and she claimed that persians/iranians are "aryans" when the term came up about WW2 etc. But she was definitely brown, and indian looking, I would say even more then the average persian woman. Because she was darker then a turkish woman. Maybe I can find her on facebook then I will show you the picture of her and she had also a big black mole on her face (whites have reddish/brownish moles but she had a black mole like a indian)

You told me you never actually saw an afghan person in real life before and now you say you went to school with one, interesting. Well guess, what? I'm of Afghan descent, and I'm NOT brown. I don't go around saying I'm white either, but i appreciate you stop trying to class afghans into a box like a facist racist would and open your eyes to the diversity. We just call ourselves of Afghan descent.

Also, who tf has a pink mole?

Hadouken

10-20-2016, 05:57 AM

^ that guy doesnt want to be iranian . I hope everybody has got it now

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 05:59 AM

This thread was troll bait anyways

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 06:00 AM

You told me you never actually saw an afghan person in real life before and now you say you went to school with one, interesting. Well guess, what? I'm of Afghan descent, and I'm NOT brown. I don't go around saying I'm white either, but i appreciate you stop trying to class afghans into a box like a facist racist would and open your eyes to the diversity. We just call ourselves of Afghan descent.

Also, who tf has a pink mole?

I didnt went with him to school. I went to Gymnasium he went to HTL. I saw him once or twice on train station. I dont know if I said I never saw a Afghan before, but maybe I forgot about him. I did saw him once or twice. Im not lying. And ok I wont put afghans into a box.

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 06:03 AM

I just say what common sense tells me. I met only once a afghan in my life. He was a student. Went here to school. He was definitely a brown person. There was a iranian girl in my school, I went to history class with her and she claimed that persians/iranians are "aryans" when the term came up about WW2 etc. But she was definitely brown, and indian looking, I would say even more then the average persian woman. Because she was darker then a turkish woman. Maybe I can find her on facebook then I will show you the picture of her and she had also a big black mole on her face (whites have reddish/brownish moles but she had a black mole like a indian)

Absolutely, lol. A good portion of middle easterners can pass in many regions in Northern India, Gypsies and etc and vice versa. If they can pass in South Asia then Pashtuns sure as hell can pass as well.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 06:07 AM

Absolutely, lol. A good portion of middle easterners can pass in many regions in Northern India, Gypsies and etc and vice versa. If they can pass in South Asia then Pashtuns sure as hell can pass as well.

Nobody is denying that pashtuns can look like indians, but it has nothing to do with their geographical location. Pashtuns are genetically 60% CHG like, 10% Natufian like, 15-20% North European, and like 5-9% ASI. Geographical location =/= genetics =/= phenotype.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 06:10 AM

Arabs (from arabia) are genetically somewhat related to South Indians, so some of them pseudo look alike.

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 06:12 AM

bro can you run it please for me if i send you my raw data? write me pm please

Bro I don't have the DIY files unfortunately. Can you post your HarappaWorld results?

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 06:13 AM

Anyways, my points summed up is that absolutely nobody else is even like afghans except for Pamiri Tajiks, Nuristanis, Persians, Azeris, Balochis, and some Kashmiris, everything weighed in.

lameduck

10-20-2016, 06:25 AM

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 06:28 AM

Bro I don't have the DIY files unfortunately. Can you post your HarappaWorld results?

I see. Thanks nevertheless. My intention was not to throw my results for comparison in, I was just curious how I would score on that other calculator. Do you know someone who could run it for me, and we should continue this in pm bro.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 06:29 AM

Indians trying to pass as blacks in USA

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150408121847-almost-black-split-exlarge-169.jpg

everyone can fake to be black, rachel dolozel did it too. and she is anglo-american.

https://www.google.at/#q=rachel+dolozel

Bharat

10-20-2016, 06:33 AM

Indians trying to pass as blacks in USA

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150408121847-almost-black-split-exlarge-169.jpg

Pakistanis and Muslims contributing wonderfully to the USA (San Bernardino shooters)
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/4GM6Ap931zdj29qevGA20Q--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-WAS-Was8986942-1-1-0.jpg

Truth Preacher

10-20-2016, 06:35 AM

I don't get why this keeps coming up

University pics from Ludhiana, Punjab (North India)

Don't look like Afghans/Pashtuns.

http://i.imgur.com/76TcIya.png

http://i.imgur.com/4Dw8pA4.png

Registan

10-20-2016, 06:36 AM

The original Dravidians come from Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan. The Dravidians in India are much different and lack ghairat.

Abdul Karim Brahui, a noble Afghan Dravidian (on the left)
http://media.defense.gov/2012/Feb/9/351/600/400/0/110727-N-OH932-006.JPG

Afghans have no problem with North Indians. Jammuites are very cool for example.

Bharat

10-20-2016, 06:38 AM

I don't get why this keeps coming up

University pics from Ludhiana, Punjab (North India)

Don't look like Afghans/Pashtuns.

http://i.imgur.com/76TcIya.png

http://i.imgur.com/4Dw8pA4.png

indeed.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 06:40 AM

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 06:42 AM

everyone can fake to be black, rachel dolozel did it too. and she is anglo-american.

https://www.google.at/#q=rachel+dolozel

Yeah but she only passed as half black at best. This guy could pass as almost full black.

Milo

10-20-2016, 06:42 AM

Bharat

10-20-2016, 06:42 AM

White people admiring Indian culture.

http://myweddingdecorations.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/what-to-wear-to-an-indian-wedding-as-an-american-guest.jpg

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 06:47 AM

Yeah but she only passed as half black at best. This guy could pass as almost full black.

she was zero percent black though and passed as half black. thats the point.

Truth Preacher

10-20-2016, 06:51 AM

lmao trolls

@Truth Preacher
no one is saying Afghans look Indian, they're just telling Afghans not to deny their papuan ongezai roots
afghans don't look like Indians, they don't look Lithuanian either

Ah ok that is true, genetic admixture tests don't like regardless of how they are manipulated but in all honesty their Papuan is low.

Milo

10-20-2016, 06:52 AM

indains dont look like blacks
here is a scientific comparison of blacks and indians on a reputed anthropology forum
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4972221/1/

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 06:57 AM

I see. Thanks nevertheless. My intention was not to throw my results for comparison in, I was just curious how I would score on that other calculator. Do you know someone who could run it for me, and we should continue this in pm bro.

If you have an account on Anthrogenica you can ask Kurd to run your raw data. Can I see your HarappaWorld results? I wonder how much South Indian you score, though you don't have to post your results if you don't want to. You can pm me.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:20 AM

Turks kinda look like afghans except western dressed LOL

http://i45.tinypic.com/5mwwg.jpg
http://media.worldbulletin.net/250x190/2013/02/22/20130221110340-kesmir-turkleri-6-2056298.JPG
http://blogs.reuters.com/global/files/2009/07/xinjiang.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/turkish-people-attend-the-funeral-ceremony-of-prince-osman-ertugrul-picture-id91165837

lameduck

10-20-2016, 07:40 AM

Turks kinda look like afghans except western dressed LOL

http://i45.tinypic.com/5mwwg.jpg

LOl that girl in the middle look like a Ghost , face appearing out of nowhere.

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 08:56 AM

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 10:22 AM

Turks kinda look like afghans except western dressed LOL
http://media.worldbulletin.net/250x190/2013/02/22/20130221110340-kesmir-turkleri-6-2056298.JPG

These are Kashmiri people who claim to be descended from Turks (Ghaznavids, Seljuks, Timurids, Mughals etc). They are not Turks of Turkey.

Here is the news --> Keşmir Türkleri (Turks of Kashmir) http://www.sabah.com.tr/galeri/dunya/himalaya-eteklerinde-yasayan-kesmir-turkleri

http://img.timeturk.com/resim/fotogaleri/2592/47556.jpg
http://i.sabah.com.tr/sb/galeri/dunya/himalaya-eteklerinde-yasayan-kesmir-turkleri/aaozlfoto_0040_21022013110240580_r_ozl_20130221000 000_kesmirturkleri11_d.jpg
http://i.sabah.com.tr/sb/galeri/dunya/himalaya-eteklerinde-yasayan-kesmir-turkleri/aaozlfoto_0041_21022013110240585_r_ozl_20130221000 000_kesmirturkleri1_d.jpg
http://i.sabah.com.tr/sb/galeri/dunya/himalaya-eteklerinde-yasayan-kesmir-turkleri/aaozlfoto_0050_21022013110242657_r_ozl_20130221000 000_kesmirturkleri7_d.jpg

Petalpusher

10-20-2016, 10:26 AM

This is the only datas people should know, spreadsheet is on Gedmatch (K6 ANE). Everything is self explanatory with the chronology.

ASE admixture %

Papuan 100
Australian 100
Onge 86.89

Paniyas 47.70
Pashtun_Afghan 11.61

Iran_N 7.79
CHG 7.70
Steppe_eneolithic 7.31
Steppe_IA 2.60
Steppe_EMBA 2.40
Steppe_MLBA 2.00

Europe_LNBA 0.60

Danaan

10-20-2016, 10:40 AM

Yes, but Myanthropologies is a Turk.

Mortimer

10-20-2016, 01:38 PM

If you have an account on Anthrogenica you can ask Kurd to run your raw data. Can I see your HarappaWorld results? I wonder how much South Indian you score, though you don't have to post your results if you don't want to. You can pm me.

I send you pm, bro.

Pahli

10-20-2016, 01:46 PM

This is the only datas people should know, spreadsheet is on Gedmatch (K6 ANE). Everything is self explanatory with the chronology.

ASE admixture %

CHG has ASE as well?

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 01:46 PM

Yes, but Myanthropologies is a Turk.

He admitted one time that he had some Russian ancestry from his maternal side which is why his and his family's phenotype are not typical in Afghanistan and etc.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 01:59 PM

He admitted one time that he had some Russian ancestry from his maternal side which is why his and his family's phenotype are not typical in Afghanistan and etc.

That's not the reason at all, and my father's side isn't. Anyways, I see you, sucking Turkish cock like arabs are attempting to do in real life atm as well.

My family I pretty typical. My russian admixture comes room being afghan anyways.

Petalpusher

10-20-2016, 03:29 PM

CHG has ASE as well?

To form CHG you needed several ancestral ingredients, it didn't fall from the sky in Satsurblia, mostly we could model it as Basal + EHG + some ASE, otherwise it would be something else like WHG or EGH, but it's not.

Basically ASI is half ASE and ANI is 1/4 ASE. That's why when there s no CHG or Iran_N in a run the ASE shows up more.

Antimage

10-20-2016, 03:35 PM

He admitted one time that he had some Russian ancestry from his maternal side which is why his and his family's phenotype are not typical in Afghanistan and etc.

I remember he said he was part british.

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 03:38 PM

I remember he said he was part british.
He is a Pashtun albino, he loves to speculate about his ancestry that's all.

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 03:39 PM

I remember he said he was part british.

He is part everything, lol. The point here is that most Pashtuns are way darker than him and his family, and they do have significant amount of South Asian blood in their veins. That guy is so OWD to a point is starts to make him look extremely pathetic. Nothing's wrong in having South Asian admixture or being one even but he keeps trying to associate himself and his people to middle easterners and to Europeans.

Antimage

10-20-2016, 03:40 PM

He is a Pashtun albino, he loves to speculate about his ancestry that's all.

That crossed my mind as well, he looks like nothing like his parents. His mom looks south asian and the father looks mideastern. How else could he end up looking european.

Milo

10-20-2016, 03:42 PM

he's part british, part russian, part this part that part everything but south asian :lol:

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 03:44 PM

That crossed my mind as well, he looks like nothing like his parents. His mom looks south asian and the father looks mideastern. How else could he end up looking european.

His mother looks like a light Pakistani woman. Again, nothing wrong with that but he tries to make it a very big deal out of it.

Truth Preacher

10-20-2016, 03:46 PM

Damnn the roast is real lmao.

Kamal900

10-20-2016, 03:48 PM

Damnn the roast is real lmao.

The kid need to be taught a lesson about reality. The grill is on.

Truth Preacher

10-20-2016, 04:02 PM

That crossed my mind as well, he looks like nothing like his parents. His mom looks south asian and the father looks mideastern. How else could he end up looking european.

You don't have to necessarily come looking out like either of your parents but his changing stories make for good lulz.

Antimage

10-20-2016, 04:08 PM

You don't have to necessarily come looking out like either of your parents but his changing stories make for good lulz.

That's true but he doesn't look same ethnicity as his parents.

He did really say he was part british, I remember before the crash XenophobicPrussian said he can't be 100% pashtun/afghan with that hair color and Myanthro said he has some british in him. I haven't seen him write that recently though

lameduck

10-20-2016, 04:13 PM

That's true but he doesn't look same ethnicity as his parents.

He did really say he was part british, I remember before the crash XenophobicPrussian said he can't be 100% pashtun/afghan with that hair color and Myanthro said he has some british in him. I haven't seen him write that recently though

Pakistani Pashtun politician
http://radiotnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/3.jpg

his parents(father)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2835372380/a12e78f57645e307bf2e125c0d9c2b6d_400x400.jpeg

His mother

http://i.dawn.com/primary/2015/01/54c6672f6db9f.jpg?r=143153193

Registan

10-20-2016, 05:04 PM

He admitted one time that he had some Russian ancestry from his maternal side which is why his and his family's phenotype are not typical in Afghanistan and etc.

He doesn't have Russian ancestry. His cousin scored some Slavic on AncestryDNA which confused him. That's just shared steppe ancestry. Europeans score Kalash on some calculators..that doesn't mean they have Kalash ancestry.

His family is not atypical. Most of them don't even look European anyway.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:17 PM

He is a Pashtun albino, he loves to speculate about his ancestry that's all.

No, my family members actually did score 7% British in their dna test and I posted that. I never claimed to be part British.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:18 PM

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:19 PM

He doesn't have Russian ancestry. His cousin scored some Slavic on AncestryDNA which confused him. That's just shared steppe ancestry. Europeans score Kalash on some calculators..that doesn't mean they have Kalash ancestry.

His family is not atypical. Most of them don't even look European anyway.
They even think the ones that look west asian are atypical. They expect afghans to look indian smh

Milo

10-20-2016, 07:21 PM

They even nothing he ones that look west asian are atypical.
is this English?

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:23 PM

That crossed my mind as well, he looks like nothing like his parents. His mom looks south asian and the father looks mideastern. How else could he end up looking european.
My mom does not look South asian. Have you ever seen a south asian in your life?

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:58 PM

Stop trolling. They look nothing like Pashtuns and other central Asiatics.

Lol you claimed they looked like a mixture of central Asiatics earlier

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 07:59 PM

His mother looks like a light Pakistani woman. Again, nothing wrong with that but he tries to make it a very big deal out of it.

Hey. Stop changing your mind to whatever is cool, you two faced bitch. If you wouldn't say this shit to my face, don't say it to me on the internet you dolphin.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 08:01 PM

Let's all never forget when the "proud arab" said this

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/Screenshot_2016-10-20-09-45-07-1_zps3rzxyszy.png (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/Screenshot_2016-10-20-09-45-07-1_zps3rzxyszy.png.html)

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 08:30 PM

He is a Pashtun albino, he loves to speculate about his ancestry that's all.

Hey you stupid butthurt turdish faggot, keep talking shit about afghans on the internet, where you are aware that you are safe from getting your ass beat and rolling on the floor bleeding, with your teeth on the foor, just like every other person who talks shit on the internet. Maybe I wouldn't beat you up cause I'm a pacifist, but there are afghans out there who would rearrange your face.

You're just jealous cause Turks were always the losers if history. The faxg that you are "Turks" is cold shiny proof. You are the ones who were speculating if you were Greek, Caucasian, Turkic, Iranian, etc. Basically all the people who butt raped your identity. I know afghan Turkmens who think you're basically just Turkified saudis lol.

he's part british, part russian, part this part that part everything but south asian :lol:

Lol where does this come from? I don't actively go out claiming im part russian, I said maybe like three times before that I suspected having russian ancestry. Why would I claim I'm part south asian when I'm not? I'm "parts outhouse sian" because of some prehistoric in direct admixture? Lol

Pahli

10-20-2016, 08:58 PM

To form CHG you needed several ancestral ingredients, it didn't fall from the sky in Satsurblia, mostly we could model it as Basal + EHG + some ASE, otherwise it would be something else like WHG or EGH, but it's not.

Basically ASI is half ASE and ANI is 1/4 ASE. That's why when there s no CHG or Iran_N in a run the ASE shows up more.

Ah makes sense. CHG is also modelled as 50% ANE anyway, where EHG has 80% + 20% WHG.

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 09:24 PM

You are the ones who were speculating if you were Greek, Caucasian, Turkic, Iranian, etc. Basically all the people who butt raped your identity.
We know who we are, the history of the Turks is very well documented. You, on the other hand, can't stop sticking to other peoples; Chechens, Georgians and then Azerbaijanis, Turks (so-called CHG brotherhood). Just give us a break and stick to your own fucking people just as we do. Many members here probably had some respect for Pashtuns but it's all gone now because of you. You are discrediting your own people with your inferiority complex.

Hey you stupid butthurt turdish faggot, keep talking shit about afghans on the internet, where you are aware that you are safe from getting your ass beat and rolling on the floor bleeding, with your teeth on the foor, just like every other person who in your asks shit in the internet. Maybe I wouldn't beat you up cause I'm a pacifist, but there are afghans out there who would rearrange your face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqKcnU_5Zs4

You're just jealous cause Turks were always the losers if history.
Turks trampled over half of the old world, including your lands. We may be many things, but "loser" is not one of them.

I know afghan Turkmens who think you're basically just Turkified saudis lol.
Let me repeat myself: EVERYTHING you tell about your personal life is a lie. Turkey has tens of thousands of students from various Turkic countries so we don't need a well-known liar kıro from USA (who is probably treated like a piece of shit) to tell us what they think of Turks.

Petalpusher

10-20-2016, 09:29 PM

Ah makes sense. CHG is also modelled as 50% ANE anyway, where EHG has 80% + 20% WHG.

Yes you can model it in a simplier way like that too, 50% ANE/AG3 + 50% Basal, while EHG is 75% ANE + WHG. When the genome just came out i estimated it to be half EHG half Basal before Lazaridis and others, it was not far off. I guess it can still be fine tuned.

RN97

10-20-2016, 09:35 PM

Hey you stupid butthurt turdish faggot, keep talking shit about afghans on the internet, where you are aware that you are safe from getting your ass beat and rolling on the floor bleeding, with your teeth on the foor, just like every other person who talks shit on the internet. Maybe I wouldn't beat you up cause I'm a pacifist, but there are afghans out there who would rearrange your face.

No offense my dude, but even with a samurai sword, no man would be afraid of you.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 09:46 PM

We know who we are, the history of the Turks is very well documented. You, on the other hand, can't stop sticking to other peoples; Chechens, Georgians and then Azerbaijanis, Turks (so-called CHG brotherhood). Just give us a break and stick to your own fucking people just as we do. Many members here probably had some respect for Pashtuns but it's all gone now because of you. You are discrediting your own people with your inferiority complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqKcnU_5Zs4

Turks trampled over half of the old world, including your lands. We may be many things, but "loser" is not one of them.

Let me repeat myself: EVERYTHING you tell about your personal life is a lie. Turkey has tens of thousands of students from various Turkic countries so we don't need a well-known liar kıro from USA (who is probably treated like a piece of shit) to tell us what they think of Turks.

You are not those turkic people though. You are an anatolian who got butt raped into the identity of Turkic. And even they were in Afghanistan they couldn't crack them.

Anatolian turks were buttraped many times in history. I never ever related afghans to chechens. Afghans and Azeris are similar, both being a fuse of Iranic and turkic. You are the one who blames all your country's problems on Kurds like a typical owd, call out middle easterners (caucasians)who are whiter than you for being "Armeniod," and calling Greeks jews. So what are Turks then? How come you never answer me, owd boy?

Keep responding with those gay comics that take you 3 hours to put together. It just shows how little of a life you have, that you gave the time to out together comics and videos mocking people you dont even know in rl.

Pahli

10-20-2016, 09:49 PM

No offense my dude, but even with a samurai sword, no man would be afraid of you.

Give him American weapons and he will conquer West Asia.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 09:51 PM

Also lol at the most two OWD ethnicities on every internet board (Turks and South Asians) calling people "OWD."

RN97

10-20-2016, 09:55 PM

Give him American weapons and he will conquer West Asia.

This man wouldn't make a good soldier.
He's the prototype of what a deserter is. That is my impression of him. When he's under gunfire he'd just desert his troop.

Registan

10-20-2016, 09:56 PM

I think MyAnthro is from Paktia...some of the toughest Pashtuns hail from there. He might have been pacified by western society but there is a latent warrior spirit in him as there is in every Afghan.

A Turk or Dravidian would be no match for him.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 09:56 PM

The definition of OWD was literally made because of a turk who behaved like Danishmend

This is a question opened to all here.

In another thread I opened that the mods closed, Obsidian claimed that there's no such thing as OWD...without really substantiating his reasons why he believes so.

I did not come up with OWD out of the blue. It took years of observations, and studying how opinions were laid out by a certain segment, that usually hail from areas periphery our modern definition of Europe. Perhaps OWD needs another name, so far OWD has worked fine, and people who understand the concept, know what it means. I've had adversaries that I debated and even accussed of exhibiting signs of OWD, admit to me that they believe that this social phenomona indeed exists, and then went on to defending themselves and proving they dont exhibit it.

For those who have no idea what the off-white dilemma is, its a phenomona exhibited by people based on an ideal 'racial hierarchy'. Not everyone has the same ideal of course, but a person who suffers from OWD, knows that whatever racial hierarchial ideal he believes in, his racial group, identity, phenotype, whatever...does not fit it. So what does he or she do? He tries to tweak facts, figures, anything to put him closer to that racial ideal.

For example, using Obsidian as a case. Obsidian is a Turk. When I posted as "Lou Bricant" for a few days, the first thing I did was confront Obsidian on his obvious disdain and scapegoating of Kurds on everything 'negative' about Turks. Worse, Obsidian really disliked anyone mentioning that Turkey is a "Middle Eastern country" (which in many ways it is). As much as I pointed out that a bit of Turkey is in Europe, the cultural and historic slant and weltenschaaung of Turkey has always been Oriental.

A typical tactic of someone with OWD would be dismissing a large segment of his own people, even going so far as using them as scapegoats for any characteristic he may deem negative. When talk of arranged marriages in Turkey is mentioned...Obsidian is quick to mention that its the Kurds who do that, not the Turks. When not doing that, it seems Obsidian has a need to convince everyone of his view on Turkey. "In Istanbul, we have modern, western style architecture...and we all drink capucinno at our cafes, we dont engage in arranged marriages"...that line of thinking.

The more endemic kind of OWD is denying the facts on the ground when it comes to how people physically look like. I dont want to go on detail here, but I have seen hundreds of this, where some South European, or even Middle Eastern person embellishes the extent of blonde hair, or blue eyes in his country, and for what reason? Because of a need to make his country seem lighter than it really is. Now Im not going to confine OWD only to European and periphery European nations. I've seen Latin Americans, Asians, even Somalis suffer from it. So its not some tool I use to insult people, as some have accused me of, nor is it something I use as a 'card' to win arguments. It exists, and is pretty endemic on race forums.

Zanzibar

10-20-2016, 09:56 PM

Also lol at the most two OWD ethnicities on every internet board (Turks and South Asians) calling people "OWD."

Who is that in your avatar?

Pahli

10-20-2016, 09:56 PM

This man wouldn't make a good soldier.
He's the prototype of what a deserter is. That is my impression of him. When he's under gunfire he'd just desert his troop.

Don't underestimate Pashtuns, he might look soft but inside his inner Taliban will come out and destroy his foes like a knife through butter!

Pennywise

10-20-2016, 09:58 PM

I'm afraid this Afghan kid is going to commit suicide for cyberbullying if we keep push him more. :) And all the TV's will be showing my this post on TA. Finally I'll be famous!

RN97

10-20-2016, 10:09 PM

I'm afraid this Afghan kid is going to commit suicide for cyberbullying if we keep push him more. :) And all the TV's will be showing my this post on TA. Finally I'll be famous!

Then he does not deserve to live. If he is that sensitive as a man.
No one has attacked him personally per se. Just his ethnic group. Maybe I said that he comes off as effeminate, but that's about it. No one has attacked him on his looks or anything like that.

Danishmend

10-20-2016, 10:13 PM

You are not those turkic people though. You are an anatolian who got butt raped into the identity of Turkic.
Turks are definitely more Turkic than these half-Indian like Pashtun bacha-bazi are Indo-European.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrmUToeZCN4

Afghans and Azeris are similar
Only in your fantasy world where Chechens and Pashtuns are brothers in denial. Go tell that to an Azerbaijani, I beg you. I really wonder his/her reaction.

Azerbaijani Turks are a thousand times closer to Anatolian Turks than to Pashtuns genetically, linguistically, historically and culturally. But I'm talking to a guy who likes sticking to other peoples like a fucking leech. Why are you so fucking ashamed of your own identity?

Keep responding with those gay comics that take you 3 hours to put together. It just shows how little of a life you have, that you gave the time to out together comics and videos mocking people you dont even know in rl.
It takes me 4-5 minutes to make these videos, it is much more easier than you clueless twat think it is. Have you ever compared our join dates and post numbers you fucking moron?

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Pennywise

10-20-2016, 10:18 PM

Then he does not deserve to live.

I agree.

zarzian

10-20-2016, 10:25 PM

Leave the kid alone you bache baaz bastards. I fuck all your mother.

Pennywise

10-20-2016, 10:27 PM

Leave the kid alone you bache baaz bastards. I fuck all your mother.

Who the fuck do you think you are? His father?

zarzian

10-20-2016, 10:32 PM

Who the fuck do you think you are? His father?

I'm your step father

Registan

10-20-2016, 10:33 PM

Pashtuns, Pamiris & Tajiks have the most Indo-Iranian ancestry among Iranic groups. Up to 40%-60% in tools like QPADM and nMonte. They have direct ancestry from groups like Kushans and Sakas while all the retarded Turks think Sakas were Turkic. Fuckin schmucks.

Myanthropologies

10-20-2016, 11:19 PM

Turks are definitely more Turkic than these half-Indian like Pashtun bacha-bazi are Indo-European.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrmUToeZCN4

Only in your fantasy world where Chechens and Pashtuns are brothers in denial. Go tell that to an Azerbaijani, I beg you. I really wonder his/her reaction.

Azerbaijani Turks are a thousand times closer to Anatolian Turks than to Pashtuns genetically, linguistically, historically and culturally. But I'm talking to a guy who likes sticking to other peoples like a fucking leech. Why are you so fucking ashamed of your own identity?

It takes me 4-5 minutes to make these videos, it is much more easier than you clueless twat think it is. Have you ever compared our join dates and post numbers you fucking moron?

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1000 times genetically closer? That makes no sense. Turks arent even genetically 1000x or even 100x genetically far from pashtuns. Also quote a time where I said pashtuns and Chechens are brothers or have anything on common other than CHG like heritage? Cause I didn't lmao. Also, Azeris are genetically closest to Persians, an IRANIAN people. They are as Turkic as much as Ossetians are Iranic. They aren't genetically closer to Turks than to pashtuns either, they're genetically in between both and I know many Azeri americans. They dont associate themselves with Turks at all, but with Iranians and other Iranic people. They have nothing to do with your smelly anatolian arse which isn't even remotely Turkic anyways. I am closer to real Turkic people than you are, so face it you whiny faggot.

And lol, eastern iranics actually are more IE than Turks are turkic.

There is a brown Turkish anatolian girl at my university, and she is the biggest sjw moron ever, looks half pocahontas, and nobody likes her.

Danishmend

10-21-2016, 12:08 AM

They aren't genetically closer to Turks than to pashtuns either, they're genetically in between both
I can't even believe I'm replying this pile of shit, Turks always appear on Azerbaijanis' top 5 populations whereas Pashtuns (aka half Indians) don't even appear on their top 20.

Here is a result of an Azerbaijani (from Azerbaijan), stop wasting my time you fucking imbecile. You are closer to North Indians than to anything else. Get the fuck over it already.
http://i.hizliresim.com/znzGnB.png (http://hizliresim.com/znzGnB)

and I know many Azeri americans. They dont associate themselves with Turks at all, but with Iranians and other Iranic people.

TheApricity has never seen such a liar before. Everything, but everything you tell about your real life experiences is a lie. At least base your lies on more realistic things. For a beginner, this wiki page might be helpful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan%E2%80%93Turkey_relations

Azerbaijan–Turkey relations have always been strong with the two often being described as "one nation with two states" by the ex-president of Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev due to both being Turkic countries. Turkey was the first state to recognise Azerbaijan's independence in 1991 and has been a staunch supporter of Azerbaijan in its efforts to consolidate its independence, preserve its territorial integrity and realize its economic potential arising from the rich natural resources of the Caspian Sea.

They have nothing to do with your smelly anatolian arse which isn't even remotely Turkic anyways. I am closer to real Turkic people than you are, so face it you whiny faggot.

You are closer to North Indians than to anything else, bacha-bazi slave. Turkic peoples are way beyond your reach.
http://imgs.cb.com.cn/2/2010-09-15/272258608420733041230699499.jpg

Kamal900

10-21-2016, 05:09 AM

Let's all never forget when the "proud arab" said this

...

Oh, I see you were reading my visitor messages when I had a fight with Nabatea. Nabatea already have apologized to me, and I have apologized to him. That doesn't reflect on the fact that Piss-toons are geneticallly Indian. Yes, I am proud to be an Arab, and I am proud to be racially brown.

Kamal900

10-21-2016, 05:12 AM

Lol you claimed they looked like a mixture of central Asiatics earlier

When I said central AsiaticsI meant as Tajiks, Uzbeks and etc, not Pashtuns or Baloch.

Milo

10-21-2016, 05:17 AM

Kamal900

10-21-2016, 05:19 AM

why do you keep saying Dravidian? I'm not even saying anything to him

Dravidian peoples are way more noble and smarter than any Piss-toon would ever be..Its jealousy man.

Milo

10-21-2016, 05:23 AM

Turks are definitely more Turkic than these half-Indian like Pashtun bacha-bazi are Indo-European.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrmUToeZCN4
the music definitely has Indic influence.

Myanthropologies

10-21-2016, 05:34 AM

the music definitely has Indic influence.

If it had indic influence, care to explain what it is that has influence from indics?

Milo

10-21-2016, 05:39 AM

If it had indic influence, care to explain what it is that has influence from indics?
the tune is distinctly Indic
just replace the words, wait you don't even need to do that, from a distance this would sound like any Indic song.

Myanthropologies

10-21-2016, 05:58 AM

Azeri oracle

3.91% Ancestral_S_Eurasian
5.06% East_Asian
49.97% Iran_Neolithic
28.73% Natufian
11.01% WHG
0.78% Sub_Saharan

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azeri @ 1.947189
2 Armenian @ 2.445789
3 Iranian @ 6.897654
4 Georgian @ 7.182028
5 Adygei @ 7.198456
6 Kurd @ 7.345980
7 North_Ossetian @ 8.322670
8 Balkar @ 8.478098
9 Tabassaran @ 8.623988
10 Kumyk @ 9.152477
11 Turkish @ 9.238976
12 Chechen @ 9.590888
13 Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.000012
14 Assyrian @ 10.408657
15 Druze @ 12.156098
16 Lezgin @ 12.087765
17 Tajdik @ 12.86719
18 Jew_Iranian @ 14.296235
19 Jew_Georgian @ 14.462798
20 Lebanese @ 15.543124

Myanthropologies

10-21-2016, 06:11 AM

Dravidian peoples are way more noble and smarter than any Piss-toon would ever be..Its jealousy man.

Lol yes, Indians are so proud and not jealous of the "pistoons" at all, which is why they ask these questions

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/Screenshot_2016-10-21-02-07-46-1_zpsjx4fkx8g.png (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/Screenshot_2016-10-21-02-07-46-1_zpsjx4fkx8g.png.html)

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/ugly_zpsz3nkvhnr.png.html)

Myanthropologies

10-21-2016, 06:15 AM

Danishmend make an "im a proud papuan woman who don't need no man" logo.

Buck

10-21-2016, 06:16 AM

Dravidian peoples are way more noble and smarter than any Piss-toon would ever be..Its jealousy man.

More noble? I don't think so. Intelligent, I would say on average yes. but on AVERAGE.

Any Indians who try to be Afghans or Persians are making fools of themselves. Quite embarassing.

Kamal900

10-21-2016, 06:20 AM

More noble? I don't think so. Intelligent, I would say on average yes. but on AVERAGE.

Any Indians who try to be Afghans or Persians are making fools of themselves. Quite embarassing.

It's usually the Muslims who wants to associate themselves to Afghans and Persians. Hindus and other religious groups don't do that sort of thing. Most if not all Pakistani people are proud to be South Asians and etc.

Registan

10-21-2016, 06:20 AM

If it had indic influence, care to explain what it is that has influence from indics?

Afghan music does have Indian influence, many Afghan ustads have Indian origins and were brought to the court by Pashtun kings. Indian music was influenced by Iranics as well. The rubab has origins in Afghanistan for example and Persian-speaking Sufis from the Khorasan region (Afghanistan, Iran, Central Asia) spread ghazals to India.

The influence of Indian music on Afghan music is by no means a new phenomenon; there is a history behind that. It started when in the 1860s king Amir Sher Ali Khan brought a number of Indian classically trained musicians and singers to perform in his court. He settled them in Kucha-ye Kharabat (see our previous blogs here and here), where they and their descendants have lived for over a hundred and fifty years. As a result, Kabul became a centre for North Indian (also called Hindustani) music in Afghanistan, and the roots of Afghan classical music are deeply connected to that of North India. Rag and Tal are the two main aspects of North Indian musical tradition which play a major role in Afghan classical music as well.*** Dr. Sarmast notices even deeper historical connection between Indian and Afghan music. He said that ‘the Indian-Afghan musicians exchange has at least a 300 years-old background. Some evidence illustrates that Indian musicians first travelled to Afghanistan during the kingdom of Timur Shah’ (1773-1793).

The exchange between the Afghan plateau and the North Indian plains was not always unilateral, however. Some Afghan musical instruments, such as the rubab and the delruba, made their way deep into India. The rubab is not only played in its original form in many regions of northern India (especially in Kashmir), but it also developed into the sarod, one of the instruments more directly identified with Indian music by the world public (the other, the sitar, developed partially from the Persian setar that too reached India through Afghanistan). In more recent times, the example of the fame that Ustad Sarahang (a renowned Afghan classical vocalist, also famous for his ghazals) enjoyed among Indian masters, was seen by many musicians as an example of Afghan music’s influence in India.

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/afghanistan-mourns-ghazal-king-jagjit-singhs-passing-and-the-loss-of-its-own-musical-excellence/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubab_(instrument)
http://www.ghazalpage.net/prose/notes/short_history_of_the_ghazal.html#spreadPersian