XenophobicPrussian
10-19-2016, 02:03 AM
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2ymtah1.jpg
http://oi67.tinypic.com/egtlch.jpg
http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg
Seems to match up PCA plots really well.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJs5tV0H3t4/VIwY7BlNxyI/AAAAAAAAByQ/LakjgsBYRNc/s1600/2dkweaw.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--4kh35tfnwA/VOWSmoekyTI/AAAAAAAACC8/YIma9yxwIzo/s1600/PCA.png
Some notes:
1. The only real inaccuracies here are the position of the northern HGs, who in reality are much more diverged from modern Europeans as PCA plots show(the K15 plot pretty much says northern Europeans are 90% WHG, when the number is really more like 60% based on PCAs, Basal Rich K7 and calcs based directly on entire genomes) and such be far north of "North Sea", "Atlantic" etc which are based on modern peaks. However, it still shows who would be closest to them and west/east shift is accurate. Southern shift is also accurate as Natufians/neolithic Iranians/etc all cluster close with modern MENA populations on PCA plots, this may also give inaccuracies on northern/southern shift of non-HG ancients like steppe populations, but they can only be more northern than shown on the K15 plot, not southern, as again, Natufians/neolithic Iranians/etc all cluster with modern pops, which is what K15 is based on(modern peak).
2. Unsurprisingly, the falsehood of Balto-Slavs being closest to WHGs continues to falter. Balto-Slavs are closest to EHGs/ANE, not WHGs, and have more WHG+ANE affinity, not sole WHG affinity(they likely have more recent WHG ancestry vs farmer, but not WHG affinity in total). Later Indo-European populations such as Indo-Aryans are also inbetween NW Europeans and NE Europeans and are closest to populations like northern Swedes and SW Finns(R1a reaches 20% in parts of western Finland), not the populations most people think, ie Lithuanians, Russians, Belarusians. Other calcs also confirm this.
3. There's clearly a major HG population missing among known ancient populations, that is, the high WHG affinity HG population that make up the main ancestry of HG admixture in neolithic farmers, Basques and contributed heavily to Spaniards, French, and British Isles people. My guess is it will be found in southern Iberia or North Africa. El Miron looks closer to HG admixture in said groups but it's too old a sample to put on a PCA plot due to the heavy Andamanese affinity of paleolithic samples. The other option is farmers/Basques simply underwent a lot of drift, rather than WHG admixture, but unknown HG admixture is more likely.
4. Pretty cool how you can almost draw a straight line between the Anglo-Saxon, Scots/Irish, and the Briton. You can also do the same between Khvalynsk, Yamnaya and CHG.
5. Some populations may be shifted in a direction due to different things. For example, Finns are so eastern because of Mongoloid admixture, not ANE. Without Mongoloid admixture, Finns should be inbetween SW Finns and Estonians.
6. Now that because of the undisputable evidence and that southern Europeans have mostly stopped denying it, one really has to wonder where the non-neolithic farmer MENA affinity/shift/Natufian(we see this in y-dna too, non-G2a/I2 was a tiiiiiny minority among neolithic farmers) in some Europeans comes from, whether it was from later bronze age migrations from the Middle-East or from Roman/Greek immigration(for example, there's even a full Levantine sample in Roman era Britain). It'd be quite the story if it turns out to be immigration rather than conquest.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/egtlch.jpg
http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg
Seems to match up PCA plots really well.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJs5tV0H3t4/VIwY7BlNxyI/AAAAAAAAByQ/LakjgsBYRNc/s1600/2dkweaw.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--4kh35tfnwA/VOWSmoekyTI/AAAAAAAACC8/YIma9yxwIzo/s1600/PCA.png
Some notes:
1. The only real inaccuracies here are the position of the northern HGs, who in reality are much more diverged from modern Europeans as PCA plots show(the K15 plot pretty much says northern Europeans are 90% WHG, when the number is really more like 60% based on PCAs, Basal Rich K7 and calcs based directly on entire genomes) and such be far north of "North Sea", "Atlantic" etc which are based on modern peaks. However, it still shows who would be closest to them and west/east shift is accurate. Southern shift is also accurate as Natufians/neolithic Iranians/etc all cluster close with modern MENA populations on PCA plots, this may also give inaccuracies on northern/southern shift of non-HG ancients like steppe populations, but they can only be more northern than shown on the K15 plot, not southern, as again, Natufians/neolithic Iranians/etc all cluster with modern pops, which is what K15 is based on(modern peak).
2. Unsurprisingly, the falsehood of Balto-Slavs being closest to WHGs continues to falter. Balto-Slavs are closest to EHGs/ANE, not WHGs, and have more WHG+ANE affinity, not sole WHG affinity(they likely have more recent WHG ancestry vs farmer, but not WHG affinity in total). Later Indo-European populations such as Indo-Aryans are also inbetween NW Europeans and NE Europeans and are closest to populations like northern Swedes and SW Finns(R1a reaches 20% in parts of western Finland), not the populations most people think, ie Lithuanians, Russians, Belarusians. Other calcs also confirm this.
3. There's clearly a major HG population missing among known ancient populations, that is, the high WHG affinity HG population that make up the main ancestry of HG admixture in neolithic farmers, Basques and contributed heavily to Spaniards, French, and British Isles people. My guess is it will be found in southern Iberia or North Africa. El Miron looks closer to HG admixture in said groups but it's too old a sample to put on a PCA plot due to the heavy Andamanese affinity of paleolithic samples. The other option is farmers/Basques simply underwent a lot of drift, rather than WHG admixture, but unknown HG admixture is more likely.
4. Pretty cool how you can almost draw a straight line between the Anglo-Saxon, Scots/Irish, and the Briton. You can also do the same between Khvalynsk, Yamnaya and CHG.
5. Some populations may be shifted in a direction due to different things. For example, Finns are so eastern because of Mongoloid admixture, not ANE. Without Mongoloid admixture, Finns should be inbetween SW Finns and Estonians.
6. Now that because of the undisputable evidence and that southern Europeans have mostly stopped denying it, one really has to wonder where the non-neolithic farmer MENA affinity/shift/Natufian(we see this in y-dna too, non-G2a/I2 was a tiiiiiny minority among neolithic farmers) in some Europeans comes from, whether it was from later bronze age migrations from the Middle-East or from Roman/Greek immigration(for example, there's even a full Levantine sample in Roman era Britain). It'd be quite the story if it turns out to be immigration rather than conquest.