Are the Slavs and Iranian peoples related?

[Slavic Italian]

I've read a lot on this and I am lead to believe they are. R1A is high in certain regions in Iran and very high in Afghanistan. Underhill believes R1A started in present day Iran.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

[Wanderer]

Good question. There seems to be a connection between Scythians & Slavs - and indeed, Scythians once inhabited many contemporary Slavic lands. Of course, Scythians were an Iranic people. It not unreasonable to suspect that some Scythians were absorbed by Slavs.

[Loki]

Yes, for sure. From Russia to India, they are all R1an brothers.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

In some way, yes. They both have Indo-European roots AFAIK. Iranians are more mixed with other shit though, and Slavs are more pure Indo-European. Even they have absorbed some more things though.

[Mikula]

Both, Slavic and Iranic languages are satemic languages.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Centum_Satem_map.png

[Slavic Italian]

This explains some Iranians who showed up on my 23andme relative lists until hostilities occurred.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

This explains some Iranians who showed up on my 23andme relative lists until hostilities occurred.

wat

[Slavic Italian]

wat

I had a couple on my lists then all of a sudden they disappeared along with some Cuban guy. I'm making assumptions of course.

[Harkonnen]

Both, Slavic and Iranic languages are satemic languages.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Centum_Satem_map.png

Satemisation was a areal innovation in Iranic, which later spread from Iranic to Slavic and Baltic.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I had a couple on my lists then all of a sudden they disappeared along with some Cuban guy. I'm making assumptions of course.

What, you think they got murdered?

[wvwvw]

Both, Slavic and Iranic languages are satemic languages.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Centum_Satem_map.png

The last time I heard Centum and Satum spoken was on Star Trek.

[Myanthropologies]

In some ways we are related, but it's not like your average modern iranic or average modern slav or going to see each other as kins lmao. That stuff is all ancient history now.

[Tschaikisten]

In some ways we are related, but it's not like your average modern iranic or average modern slav or going to see each other as kins lmao. That stuff is all look ancient history now.

There is no place for pashtun emo fags without life from USA like you among Slavs and Iranians.

[Myanthropologies]

I had a couple on my lists then all of a sudden they disappeared along with some Cuban guy. I'm making assumptions of course.

I'm taking a 23andme and I always expected to find some slavic and indian distant cousins.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

There is no place for pashtun emo fags without life from USA like you among Slavs and Iranians.

BLOOD ON THE DANCE FLOOR MEOW

[Myanthropologies]

There is no place for pashtun emo fags without life from USA like you among Slavs and Iranians.

My entire bio is a joke

[Hadouken]

I always get goose bumps when this kid talks in behalf of Iranians and "other Iranics" :picard1:

[Harkonnen]

Satemisation was a areal innovation in Iranic, which later spread from Iranic to Slavic and Baltic.

This is actually one of those things that makes me sometimes wonder the intelligence of at least some of our IE neighbours. For some reason many of them think that this Centum/Satem thingie is A VERY MEANINGFUL in determing the relatedness of languages. No, my dear Slavics - despite the relatively recent satemisation - your language is still closer related to the rest of the proto-NorthWest-IE-posse (including the Germanics)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

My entire bio is a joke

It is? :(

[Myanthropologies]

I always get goose bumps when this kid talks in behalf of Iranians and "other Iranics" :picard1:

Why? Why do you always pick at me? It's so annoying.

[Hadouken]

Why? Why do you always pick at me? It's so annoying.

I dont "pick" at you . I actually liked you (and will again when you stop this nonsense) but someone has to rattle you to your senses sometimes . because of your age I dont say much and trust me I am waaaay too nice to you for some of your behaviour here . we all act weird sometimes especially on ze interwebs but you are on your way to bring it into a whole new level here . also stop your trollings otherwise I will REALLY pick on you and trust me you wont like it

[RajeshDesai]

I think its true. Many Slavs remind of me being pale/white version of Iranians and Pakistanis, essentially.

[Myanthropologies]

I dont "pick" at you . I actually liked you (and will again when you stop this nonsense) but someone has to rattle you to your senses sometimes . because of your age I dont say much and trust me I am waaaay too nice to you for some of your behaviour here . we all act weird sometimes especially on ze interwebs but you are on your way to bring it into a whole new level here . also stop your trollings otherwise I will REALLY pick on you and trust me you wont like it

I'm not trolling anyone. That post I made today with the Italian thing was not trolling. I really don't even say anything that bad to anyone on here. I just have some unpopular opinions, and I have always respected other people's opinions, but clearly they don't respect mine, which is why instead of leaving it at simply disagreeing with each other they egg me on, their butt buddies join in and defend them, and I have nobody and am pinned in a corner. It gets annoying after awhile.

I also don't understand why you act like Iranics aren't interconnected with each other. We are to a degree, especially if you think an anatolian dude is interconnected with a Kazakh somehow.

[Hadouken]

I'm not trolling anyone. That post I made today with the Italian thing was not trolling. I really don't even say anything that bad to anyone on here. I just have some unpopular opinions, and I have always respected other people's opinions, but clearly they don't respect mine, which is why instead of leaving it at simply disagreeing with each other they egg me on, their butt buddies join in and defend them, and I have nobody and am pinned in a corner. It gets annoying after awhile.

I also don't understand why you act like Iranics aren't interconnected with each other. We are to a degreex especially if you think an anatolian dude is interconnected with a Kazakh somehow.

the teaming up in forums is something that happens a lot and I am against that too and believe me when you are in the right I am one of the ones who is on your side . but you have to ask yourself why people behave like this towards you ...it is not without reason



I also don't understand why you act like Iranics aren't interconnected with each other. We are to a degreex especially if you think an anatolian dude is interconnected with a Kazakh somehow.

we are not really "interconnected" . we just share some things thats it . especially the further the ethnicities are/live the more distance there is . I dont even cluster with any pashtun in any oracles . many turks at least get many other turkic ethnicities at fairly close distance yet the only Iranics me and my people get are Iranian and Ossetian . we are a lot closer to "semitic" Lebanese and others than to iranic pashtuns .

the language=race thing is mostly pushed by either ignorants or idiots . I have seen you trying to "seperate" sicilians and spanish saying they are very different and looking very different even though both are romance speakers and close to each other geographically ....yet pashtuns who are 10000000km away from us are the same just because of the "iranic" language thing ? come on ...

[Myanthropologies]

the teaming up in forums is something that happens a lot and I am against that too and believe me when you are in the right I am one of the ones who is on your side . but you have to ask yourself why people behave like this towards you ...it is not without reason



we are not really "interconnected" . we just share some things thats it . especially the further the ethnicities are/live the more distance there is . I dont even cluster with any pashtun in any oracles . many turks at least get many other turkic ethnicities at fairly close distance yet the only Iranics me and my people get are Iranian and Ossetian . we are a lot closer to "semitic" Lebanese and others than to iranic pashtuns .

the language=race thing is mostly pushed by either ignorants or idiots . I have seen you trying to "seperate" sicilians and spanish saying they are very different and looking very different even though both are romance speakers and close to each other geographically ....yet pashtuns who are 10000000km away from us are the same just because of the "iranic" language thing ? come on ...

I've never seen Turkics score Kazakhs on their oracles at all. I also think the same of Turks who claim they are close to kazakhs. Also, you being closer to semitic Lebanese arabs depends on what measurement you use. On Anthrogenica, it was Kurds who shared the most genetic drift with pashtuns on d stats. Anyways, i have seen pashtuns score kurds in their oracle anyways. We celebrate similar holidays to you, there is both a handful of Kurds and Pashtuns who live near each other in Iran, you are not completely foreign to them. You may be genetically closer to Ossetians, but you are culturally closer to pashtuns and look closer to pashtuns than to Ossetians. Let's be honest, genetics aren't everything. You yourself said that because Chechens look European, they can call themselves European and white despite being related to iranians. So using that logic, why do you claim you overlap more with Ossetians, when with everything weighed in, you don't at all?


I don't see any reason people are jumping at me. The only people who ever corner me are people who make intentional troll threads about Iranian nose jobs, Pashtuns being papuan, etc. They even hate on Kurds, yet yiure the first to defend them. Notice how you are only saying I deserve it yet you can't be specific on why other than me having an unpopular opinion.

[Root]

I've never seen Turkics score Kazakhs on their oracles at all. I also think the same of Turks who claim they are close to kazakhs. Also, you being closer to semitic Lebanese arabs depends on what measurement you use. On Anthrogenica, it was Kurds who shared the most genetic drift with pashtuns on d stats. Anyways, i have seen pashtuns score kurds in their oracle anyways. We celebrate similar holidays to you, there is both a handful of Kurds and Pashtuns who live near each other in Iran, you are not completely foreign to them. You may be genetically closer to Ossetians, but you are culturally closer to pashtuns and look closer to pashtuns than to Ossetians. Let's be honest, genetics aren't everything. You yourself said that because Chechens look European, they can call themselves European and white despite being related to iranians. So using that logic, why do you claim you overlap more with Ossetians, when with everything weighed in, you don't at all?


I don't see any reason people are jumping at me. The only people who ever corner me are people who make intentional troll threads about Iranian nose jobs, Pashtuns being papuan, etc. They even hate on Kurds, yet yiure the first to defend them. Notice how you are only saying I deserve it yet you can't be specific on why other than me having an unpopular opinion.





We are not related to anyone.

[Myanthropologies]

We are not related to anyone.

I'm talking about genetically.

[Root]

I'm talking about genetically.




We are not related genetically, culturally and linguistically (!) we have nothing in common with anyone.

[Myanthropologies]

We are not related genetically, culturally and linguistically (!) we have nothing in common with anyone.

You are genetically related to Iranics because of shared CHG ancestry, but it's meaningless.

[Root]

You are genetically related to Iranics because of shared CHG ancestry, but it's meaningless.




Boy, stop saying bullshit. We have nothing in common with iranics or anyone else

[Myanthropologies]

Boy, stop saying bullshit. We have nothing in common with iranics or anyone else

I'm not saying that you have anything in common to Iranics. You're 100% foreign, but you share a shitload of your heritage with them, and that's it.

[Root]

I'm not saying that you have anything in common to Iranics. You're 100% foreign, but you share a shitload of your heritage with them, and that's it.



We don't share a shitload of our heritage with them, stop spamming bullshit and stop mention us in every single post, got it?

[Hadouken]

I've never seen Turkics score Kazakhs on their oracles at all. I also think the same of Turks who claim they are close to kazakhs. Also, you being closer to semitic Lebanese arabs depends on what measurement you use. On Anthrogenica, it was Kurds who shared the most genetic drift with pashtuns on d stats. Anyways, i have seen pashtuns score kurds in their oracle anyways. We celebrate similar holidays to you, there is both a handful of Kurds and Pashtuns who live near each other in Iran, you are not completely foreign to them. You may be genetically closer to Ossetians, but you are culturally closer to pashtuns and look closer to pashtuns than to Ossetians. Let's be honest, genetics aren't everything. You yourself said that because Chechens look European, they can call themselves European and white despite being related to iranians. So using that logic, why do you claim you overlap more with Ossetians, when with everything weighed in, you don't at all?


I don't see any reason people are jumping at me. The only people who ever corner me are people who make intentional troll threads about Iranian nose jobs, Pashtuns being papuan, etc. They even hate on Kurds, yet yiure the first to defend them. Notice how you are only saying I deserve it yet you can't be specific on why other than me having an unpopular opinion.

:picard1: hold on hold on ...this is too much of a mess right now

first of all on anthrogenica the member "Kurd" is not fully Kurdish but half south asian or something as far as I remember (he even clusters differently I have seen his results) and the "Kurd SE" samples are "Kurds" from Balochistan who are mixed with Balochs . didnt even know that there are Kurds anyway . the other Kurdish samples he uses are also fairly outlying and have big differences to most kurdish members (like me , tartarian , mfa , znertu etc.) . ...but whatever . also when you say "cluster with" you have to look at the distances . when a pashtun clusters with a Kurd at distance 25 then this doesnt mean much

also you are always the one bringing genetics into play but then when you get told how things are you suddenly say that genetics are not important . this is nothing more than building yourself your own bubble world where you get defensive against anybody who dares to burst it

and I didnt say that I/we am/are close to Ossetians .....because unlike you I dont say that only because they are "iranic" . I just used your own logic against you and just told you that we are genetically not really close to pashtuns

and no a lot of pashtuns dont pass among us . at least not among us northern kurds (keep in mind that we are also diverse and there are differences from region to region). if you think otherwise I respect your opinion of course but I have known enough afghans here in germany and also have seen enough afghans on pics/videos to make this conclusion . and dont forget I am considered to be one of the best classifiers here on board . I know better how my people look . I also told you that I find afghans to be good looking people and I meant it .. and yes there are some similarities we share but all in all ...we have big differences . ask people from my hometown if they feel close to afghans ....90% if not more will say no . or only yes because of politeness

and I dont "defend" anybody here I told you already . I am simply stating my opinions no matter who I am talking to regardless of ethnicity

anyway lets not go off topic . if you want you can pm me .

[Myanthropologies]

:picard1: hold on hold on ...this is too much of a mess right now

first of all on anthrogenica the member "Kurd" is not fully Kurdish but half south asian (he even clusters differently I have seen his results) and the "Kurd SE" samples are "Kurds" from Balochistan who are mixed with Balochs . didnt even know that there are Kurds anyway ...but whatever . also when you say "cluster with" you have to look at the distances . when a pashtun clusters with a Kurd at distance 25 then this doesnt mean much

also you are always the one bringing genetics into play but then when you get told how things are you suddenly say that genetics are not important . this is nothing more than building yourself your own bubble world where you get defensive against anybody who dares to burst it

and I didnt say that I/we am/are close to Ossetians .....because unlike you I dont say that only because they are "iranic" . I just used your own logic against you and just told you that we are genetically not really close to pashtuns

and no a lot of pashtuns dont pass among us . at least not among us northern kurds (keep in mind that we are also diverse and there are differences from region to region). if you think otherwise I respect your opinion of course but I have known enough afghans here in germany and also have seen enough afghans on pics/videos to make this conclusion . and dont forget I am considered to be one of the best classifiers here on board . I know better how my people look . I also told you that I find afghans to be good looking people and I meant it .. and yes there are some similarities we share but all in all ...we have big differences . ask people from my hometown if they feel close to afghans ....90% if not more will say no . or only yes because of politeness

and I dont "defend" anybody here I told you already . I am simply stating my opinions no matter who I am talking to regardless of ethnicity

anyway lets not go off topic . if you want you can pm me .

"Keep in mind we are also diverse."

"Pashtuns cannot pass among us."

Totally ignoring pashtun diversity.

So do Turks from Turkey pass on Kazakhstan? Turks are even more genetically further from Kazakhs than Pashtuns are from Kurds, yet yiure saying that Anatolians are genetically closer to Central Asia when they literally overlap more with some Arabs first. You also do realize that pashtuns are genetically in between North Indians, western iranics, and North caucasians, right? Yet people will happily group them with North Indians than with any of the other two.

I'm not saying pashtuns and Kurds are close, but we share similarities, that's all I'm saying. You act so defensive whenever I point that out. Maybe back over there it doesn't feel that way but in cali, it is pashtuns who help assimilate Kurds and other menas assimilate into the American Community. It's just kind of annoying when you say pashtuns are "south Central Asian," and deny their significance to the middle east, when they've done so much for the MENA community in America (which is larger than it is in Europe) and have their own views on themselves. You've met like what, 6 afghans in total??

I don't always hold genetics into play, it out everything in account, but sometimes when people ignore one part of the equation, I put an emphasis on it.

I'm glad you feel closer to syrians you apparently overlap with more depsite them hating your guts lol.

[RajeshDesai]

Iranics and Slavics do not belong in the USA.

[lameduck]

"Keep in mind we are also diverse."

"Pashtuns cannot pass among us."

Totally ignoring pashtun diversity.

So do Turks from Turkey pass on Kazakhstan? Turks are even more genetically further from Kazakhs than Pashtuns are from Kurds, yet yiure saying that Anatolians are genetically closer to Central Asia when they literally overlap more with some Arabs first. You also do realize that pashtuns are genetically in between North Indians, western iranics, and North caucasians, right? Yet people will happily group them with North Indians than with any of the other two.

I'm not saying pashtuns and Kurds are close, but we share similarities, that's a real I'm saying. You're etc so defensive whenever I point that out. Maybe back over there it doesn't feel that way but in cali, it is pashtuns who help assimilate Kurds and other menas assimilate into the American Community. It's just kind of annoying when you say pashtuns are "south Central Asian," and deny their significance to the middle east, when they've done so much for the MENA community in America (which is larger than it is in Europe) and have their own views on themselves. You've met like what, 6 afghans in total??


Imo Pashtuns are a good looking people , its others who should be trying to build connection with them not vice versa. Personally I dont like it when some Pashtuns(on internet) show over obsession with MENA/(some is fine). Vast majority of Pashtuns live in rural areas of West Pakistan and East Afghanistan and are quite disconnected from mainstream middle east. This is my opinion you dont have to agree with.

[Hadouken]

"Keep in mind we are also diverse."

"Pashtuns cannot pass among us."

Totally ignoring pashtun diversity.

So do Turks from Turkey pass on Kazakhstan? Turks are even more genetically further from Kazakhs than Pashtuns are from Kurds, yet yiure saying that Anatolians are genetically closer to Central Asia when they literally overlap more with some Arabs first. You also do realize that pashtuns are genetically in between North Indians, western iranics, and North caucasians, right? Yet people will happily group them with North Indians than with any of the other two.

I'm not saying pashtuns and Kurds are close, but we share similarities, that's all I'm saying. You act so defensive whenever I point that out. Maybe back over there it doesn't feel that way but in cali, it is pashtuns who help assimilate Kurds and other menas assimilate into the American Community. It's just kind of annoying when you say pashtuns are "south Central Asian," and deny their significance to the middle east, when they've done so much for the MENA community in America (which is larger than it is in Europe) and have their own views on themselves. You've met like what, 6 afghans in total??

I don't always hold genetics into play, it out everything in account, but sometimes when people ignore one part of the equation, I put an emphasis on it.

I'm glad you feel closer to syrians you apparently overlap with more depsite them hating your guts lol.

lets not talk about turkish/turkic stuff . not only are you right now putting words in my mouth I didnt say but I also dont want to go into depth and argue with some idiots because it is tiresome .

I dont act defensive I am just telling you my view . and what I am saying is not becuase of dislike for you or your people believe me . I am just fed up that you talk in our name (too) . if you feel some connection to us thats ok it doesnt bother me but stop this "we iranics" thing ...I dont feel much connected to you nor do many of my people be sure of that as I said .

and I dont lump you with indians ...dont forget what I said in pashtun topics :picard1: it seems I write for nothing because you forget the things I write it seems ...especially those words that are in "your favor" . but only because afghans are not indians it doesnt mean that you are close/similar to us ...language back or forth

[wvwvw]

lets not talk about turkish/turkic stuff . not only are you right now putting words in my mouth I didnt say but I also dont want to go into depth and argue with some idiots because it is tiresome .

I dont act defensive I am just telling you my view . and what I am saying is not becuase of dislike for you or your people believe me . I am just fed up that you talk in our name (too) . if you feel some connection to us thats ok it doesnt bother me but stop this "we iranics" thing ...I dont feel much connected to you nor do many of my people be sure of that as I said .

and I dont lump you with indians ...dont forget what I said in pashtun topics :picard1: it seems I write for nothing because you forget the things I write it seems ...especially those words that are in "your favor" . but only because afghans are not indians it doesnt mean that you are close/similar to us ...language back or forth

https://youtu.be/-G4zRwcmY9o

[Myanthropologies]

lets not talk about turkish/turkic stuff . not only are you right now putting words in my mouth I didnt say but I also dont want to go into depth and argue with some idiots because it is tiresome .

I dont act defensive I am just telling you my view . and what I am saying is not becuase of dislike for you or your people believe me . I am just fed up that you talk in our name (too) . if you feel some connection to us thats ok it doesnt bother me but stop this "we iranics" thing ...I dont feel much connected to you nor do many of my people be sure of that as I said .

and I dont lump you with indians ...dont forget what I said in pashtun topics :picard1: it seems I write for nothing because you forget the things I write it seems ...especially those words that are in "your favor" . but only because afghans are not indians it doesnt mean that you are close/similar to us ...language back or forth

I never said we were, I just said were similar. Anyways, that's not my point. I'm just sick of you throwing eastern iranics under the bus as if we're not iranics or something. You came into this thread with an arrogant post saying "whenever this kid post something on the behalf of Iranics, or Iranians, I get goosebumps." There was nothing wrong with my original post in here anyways. And in other threads about iranics, whenever pashtuns are talked about you always have to point out how "they're not like your people," even sometimes when it's irrelvant. That's also bullshit anyways because eastern iranics are the closest iranics genetically to the original iranics, and even some eastern iranics have maintained the original customs too. If you don't want to be associated with them so bad, then call yourself a "North Kurdic" instead. I never see ukranians and Albanians fussing whenever people acknowledge their similarities to slavs. Yet whenever pashtuns and Kurds are put in a sentence you turn into an emotional poet. Even if Kurds don't feel ethnically close to Pashtuns, Iranian Persians do and even Azeris do to an extent, so pashtuns are definitely part of the Iranian sphere.

[Hadouken]

https://youtu.be/-G4zRwcmY9o

:bootyshake::irishdancer::band:music-smiley-004:

[Hadouken]

I never said we were, I just said were similar. Anyways, that's not my point. I'm just sick of you throwing eastern iranics under the bus as if we're not iranics or something. You came into this thread with an arrogant post saying "whenever this kid post something on the behalf of Iranics, or Iranians, I get goosebumps." There was nothing wrong with my original post in here anyways. And in other threads about iranics, whenever pashtuns are talked about you always have to point out how "they're not like your people," even sometimes when it's irrelvant. That's also bullshit anyways because eastern iranics are the closest iranics genetically to the original iranics, and even some eastern iranics have maintained the original customs too. If you don't want to be associated with them so bad, then call yourself a "North Kurdic" instead. I never see ukranians and Albanians fussing whenever people acknowledge their similarities to slavs. Yet whenever pashtuns and Kurds are put in a sentence you turn into an emotional poet. Even if Kurds don't feel ethnically close to Pashtuns, Iranian Persians do and even Azeris do to an extent, so pashtuns are definitely part of the Iranian sphere.

I dont know why you accuse me of things I didnt/dont do . I said very good things about your people and I didnt insult you or anything ( a few times I made some jokes only but they werent meant offensive) .

ok lets end this debate because I see you just misunderstand me as usual and this leads to nowhere . also off topic (sorry OP)

I promise you that I wont post in pashtun topics anymore because to be honest with you it really sucks that this forum turns so much around pashtuns in the last weeks .

and I say sorry to you ok ? sorry that I started here .....identify with whom you want no problem to me

[Slavic Italian]

Why can't you people get along with one another? I mean really???

[Slavic Italian]

I never said we were, I just said were similar. Anyways, that's not my point. I'm just sick of you throwing eastern iranics under the bus as if we're not iranics or something. You came into this thread with an arrogant post saying "whenever this kid post something on the behalf of Iranics, or Iranians, I get goosebumps." There was nothing wrong with my original post in here anyways. And in other threads about iranics, whenever pashtuns are talked about you always have to point out how "they're not like your people," even sometimes when it's irrelvant. That's also bullshit anyways because eastern iranics are the closest iranics genetically to the original iranics, and even some eastern iranics have maintained the original customs too. If you don't want to be associated with them so bad, then call yourself a "North Kurdic" instead. I never see ukranians and Albanians fussing whenever people acknowledge their similarities to slavs. Yet whenever pashtuns and Kurds are put in a sentence you turn into an emotional poet. Even if Kurds don't feel ethnically close to Pashtuns, Iranian Persians do and even Azeris do to an extent, so pashtuns are definitely part of the Iranian sphere.

Quit posting in this thread. You are pissing people off and I am trying to learn. You are 19. You should be out with friends.

[Hadouken]

Why can't you people get along with one another? I mean really???

it's the slavic blood

[Myanthropologies]

Quit posting in this thread. You are pissing people off and I am trying to learn. You are 19. You should be out with friends.

People shouldn't come into this thread posting arrogant things when I said nothing wrong in the first place and there will be no problem. Also, today is a week day = classes.

[Slavic Italian]

People shouldn't come into this thread posting arrogant things when I said nothing wrong in the first place and there will be no problem. Also, today is a week day = classes.

You do not know when to just quit or step away. You should.

[Slavic Italian]

What, you think they got murdered?

No. They just removed them off my list. Once the FDA(government) got involved it changed 23andme drastically for the worst. I believe they do not want Americans getting chummy with certain foreigners who governments are in with the USA way of doing things.

[Myanthropologies]

You do not know when to just quit or step away. You should.

Shouldn't other people take their own advice? Especially if I wasn't the only one contributing to be the debate? Im not gonna just let them act like they "win." I'm so sick for being blamed for things that are 75% not my fault.

[Slavic Italian]

Shouldn't other people take their own advice? Especially if I wasn't the only one contributing to be the debate? Im not gonna just let them act like they "win." I'm so sick for being blamed for things that are 75% not my fault.

Seriously. Grow up. Win? Really?

[de Burgh II]

Maybe at one point in history as a shared founder population, but they eventually diverged from one another. Slavs having some autosomal similarities to their Baltic brethren. Whereas Iranians diverged, composed of Steppe peoples that mixed with native BMAC peoples in Central/West Asia.

[Wild North]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfGJJVyZwg

[Slavic Italian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfGJJVyZwg

I had matches from the Baltic nations on 23andme specifically Lithuanian and Latvian. Croatian and Hungary as well.

[Imamudin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfGJJVyZwg

The natural Slavic habitat is actually the Kievan Rus in Central Eastern Europe:

http://s24.postimg.org/cc2rleys5/Urheimat.png

[stellastel]

Yes they are related. Iranians are related with Armenians as well.

[Szegedist]

Slavs are depigmented Iranids, they arrived to Europe and mixed with Finnic and became white.

[Slavic Italian]

Slavs are depigmented Iranids

That's interesting.

[Myanthropologies]

Slavs are depigmented Iranids, they arrived to Europe and mixed with Finnic and became white.

Umm, not at all lol. What does "depigmented" iranid mean?

[Albobalboa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Serbs

"Theory about Iranian origin of the Serb ethnonym assumes that ancient Serbi / Serboi from north Caucasus (Asiatic Sarmatia) were an Sarmatian (Alanian) tribe. The theory subsequently assumes that Alanian Serbi were subdued by the Huns in the 4th century and that they, as part of the Hunnic army, migrated to the western edge of the Hunnic Empire (in the area of Central Europe near the river Elbe, later designated as White Serbia in what is now Saxony (eastern Germany) and western Poland)."

If most slavs have similar roots as Serbs and Croats then there certainly is a direct link to Iranian and even Afghanistani origin.

[Milo]

R1a is higher in South Indian tribals than in Iran.

It has also been found in several South Indian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Indian) Dravidian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages)-speaking Adivasis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adivasi) including the Chenchu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenchu) (26%) and the Valmikis of Andhra Pradesh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh) and the Kallar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallar(caste)) of Tamil Nadu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu) suggesting that R1a1a is widespread in Tribal Southern Indians

[shahenshah]

R1a is higher in South Indian tribals than in Iran.

It has also been found in several South Indian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Indian) Dravidian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages)-speaking Adivasis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adivasi) including the Chenchu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenchu) (26%) and the Valmikis of Andhra Pradesh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh) and the Kallar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallar(caste)) of Tamil Nadu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu) suggesting that R1a1a is widespread in Tribal Southern Indians

South India Chenchu R1a1 match the current Russian
Slavic R1a1 haplotypes, and the Chenchu R1a
common ancestor appeared some 3200±1900 ybp, apparently
after the R1a1 migration from the North to
India. Another Chenchu R1a1 lineage originated about
350±350 ybp, around the 17th century CE.

['owight Gavnah]

I know Romanian is not a Slavic language, but can someone explain to me why there are very familiar words that I can understand? For Instance:

'Murdaar' in Persian/Dari means dirty, Romanians also say that

asta/Asti means 'That is'in Persian/dari, also same in Romanian

Che means 'what' in Persian/Dari, same as Romanian

There's plenty more but that's what I can come up with off the top of my head.

[MellowD]

I know Romanian is not a Slavic language, but can someone explain to me why there are very familiar words that I can understand? For Instance:

'Murdaar' in Persian/Dari means dirty, Romanians also say that

asta/Asti means 'That is'in Persian/dari, also same in Romanian

Che means 'what' in Persian/Dari, same as Romanian

There's plenty more but that's what I can come up with off the top of my head.

Because persian has its share of latin influence as well...

And asta doesn't mean that, it means this

['owight Gavnah]

Because persian has its share of latin influence as well...

And asta doesn't mean that, it means this

Yes I know that and this have the same meaning in Dari, 'this is' is actually in Asta, 'that is' is un asta

Persian has Latin influence? Or avestan and Latin have similar words in their vocab?

[TheForeigner]

Maybe there is some Scythian or Sarmatian influence on Romanian from Dacians and Slavs mixing with those peoples.

[MellowD]

Yes I know that and this have the same meaning in Dari, 'this is' is actually in Asta, 'that is' is un asta

Persian has Latin influence? Or avestan and Latin have similar words in their vocab?

Probably not, my mistake. It's more like they share similar words since they are both in the indo-european language family...

Asta in spanish would be esta I think, or che is actually italian for what, the romanian would be ce...

According to the romanian dictionary, murdar apparenly comes from turkish

[crazyladybutterfly]

This explains some Iranians who showed up on my 23andme relative lists until hostilities occurred.

did these iranians work for BLACK MESA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjscsnOg2LI

[JanPulja]

"Iranian peoples" dissolved into the conquered brown folk and lost their genetics. Aryans/Scythians of yore were genetically close to Slavs though.

[Milo]

Yes I know that and this have the same meaning in Dari, 'this is' is actually in Asta, 'that is' is un asta

Persian has Latin influence? Or avestan and Latin have similar words in their vocab?its just because of similarities bw IE languages :picard2:

['owight Gavnah]

its just because of similarities bw IE languages :picard2:

I get that. But words like "Murdaar" must've came after, but I guess it came from Turkish, which in turn came from Persian.

['owight Gavnah]

Probably not, my mistake. It's more like they share similar words since they are both in the indo-european language family...

Asta in spanish would be esta I think, or che is actually italian for what, the romanian would be ce...

According to the romanian dictionary, murdar apparenly comes from turkish

Yes, Spanish is esta, there's a lot familiar words. The most interesting one I found was Spanish speakers ( from Spain) say "vale", you province the 'v' as 'b' Ofcourse. Dari speakers also say 'bale' which means yes yes etc. I found that weird haha.

[Slavic Italian]

"Iranian peoples" dissolved into the conquered brown folk and lost their genetics. Aryans/Scythians of yore were genetically close to Slavs though.

Conquered brown folk? Turks?

[Pahli]

Conquered brown folk? Turks?

The natives of Central Asia + Afghanistan probably were similar to modern day Brahui, a native Dravidian speaking people in Pakistan. The difference with West Iranian (Persian, Kurds) is that they mixed with the Bmac culture (Native Dravidians) before invading and assimilating natives of Iran and Zagros Mountains. Scythians and Sarmatians pretty much avoided mixing and were still closer to Eastern Europeans than their kin in South Central Asia and Middle East.

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2ymtah1.jpg

There is quite a difference. Here is a result of a Scythian, notice that they had around 10% Mongoloid admixture, around the same level as modern day Tajiks which makes Turks go insanely crazy and claim them as their own :laugh:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.3
2 South_Central_Asian 20.43
3 Caucasian 17.62
4 Ancestral_Altaic 13.98
5 East_Siberian 5.74
6 European_Early_Farmers 5.08
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.81
8 Arctic 1.58
9 Amerindian 1.24
10 Austronesian 0.99
11 Khoisan 0.13
12 South_Indian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 16.16
2 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 16.46
3 Tatar ( ) 16.51
4 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 16.78
5 Chuvashs ( ) 17.04
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 17.24
7 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 18.1
8 Komi ( ) 18.24
9 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 18.39
10 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 18.41
11 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 18.68
12 Russian-Ural ( ) 18.91
13 Bashkir ( ) 18.95
14 Karelian ( ) 19.04
15 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 19.1
16 Tatar_Kryashen ( ) 19.3
17 Finn ( ) 19.4
18 Chuvash ( ) 19.43
19 Finn_East ( ) 19.47
20 Erzya ( ) 19.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 39.9% Saami ( ) @ 4.59
2 55.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 44.3% Udmurd ( ) @ 5.77
3 56.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 43.7% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 5.96
4 74.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 25.1% Kalash ( ) @ 6.03
5 52.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 47.1% Komi ( ) @ 6.23
6 51.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 48.4% Komi ( ) @ 6.26
7 60.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 39.5% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 6.27
8 54.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 45.2% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.39
9 78.2% Tatar ( ) + 21.8% Kalash ( ) @ 6.52
10 53.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.6% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.56
11 54.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.1% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.56
12 58.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 41.1% Mari ( ) @ 6.57
13 56.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 43.8% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.61
14 50.3% Chuvashs ( ) + 49.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.88
15 51.3% Tatar ( ) + 48.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.9
16 50.2% Bashkir ( ) + 49.8% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.96
17 72.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 27.1% Brahui ( ) @ 7.01
18 54.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.4% Udmurd ( ) @ 7.04
19 51.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 48.9% Chuvashs ( ) @ 7.05
20 53.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.5% Finn ( ) @ 7.06

With a different calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 37.03
2 Caucasus_HG 31.83
3 Anatolian_NF 12.9
4 Siberian 5.79
5 South_Asian 5.36
6 Amerindian 3.05
7 East_Asian 2.11
8 Beringian 1.26
9 Near_East 0.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 15.76
2 Tajik_Pomiri 18.19
3 Russian 19.2
4 Chuvash 20.6
5 Croatian 22.17
6 Belarusian 22.22
7 Nogai 22.32
8 Hungarian 22.41
9 Finnish 23.05
10 Czech 23.16
11 Dutch_North 23.42
12 Dutch_South 23.76
13 German_North 23.99
14 Bulgarian 24.37
15 Chechen 24.8
16 Scottish_West 24.95
17 Estonian 25.07
18 Icelandic 25.21
19 Irish 25.5
20 English_South 25.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Tajik_Pomiri + 48.6% Russian @ 3.82
2 53.8% Mordovian + 46.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.89
3 56.2% Tajik_Pomiri + 43.8% Finnish @ 4.42
4 74% Mordovian + 26% Makrani @ 4.85
5 69.7% Russian + 30.3% Makrani @ 4.86
6 69.1% Russian + 30.9% Balochi @ 4.88
7 74.8% Mordovian + 25.2% Brahui @ 4.94
8 70.6% Russian + 29.4% Brahui @ 5
9 73.6% Mordovian + 26.4% Balochi @ 5.03
10 62.2% Russian + 37.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.14
11 67.2% Mordovian + 32.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.28
12 58.5% Tajik_Pomiri + 41.5% Estonian @ 5.32
13 59.3% Tajik_Pomiri + 40.7% Lithuanian @ 5.35
14 55.4% Tajik_Pomiri + 44.6% Belarusian @ 5.44
15 65.6% Finnish + 34.4% Makrani @ 5.55
16 65% Finnish + 35% Balochi @ 5.76
17 66.6% Finnish + 33.4% Brahui @ 5.82
18 57.6% Finnish + 42.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.94
19 70.2% Mordovian + 29.8% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 6.31
20 72.4% Mordovian + 27.6% Pathan @ 6.52

[Babak]

]I've never seen Turkics score Kazakhs on their oracles at all.[/B] I also think the same of Turks who claim they are close to kazakhs. Also, you being closer to semitic Lebanese arabs depends on what measurement you use. On Anthrogenica, it was Kurds who shared the most genetic drift with pashtuns on d stats. Anyways, i have seen pashtuns score kurds in their oracle anyways. We celebrate similar holidays to you, there is both a handful of Kurds and Pashtuns who live near each other in Iran, you are not completely foreign to them. You may be genetically closer to Ossetians, but you are culturally closer to pashtuns and look closer to pashtuns than to Ossetians. Let's be honest, genetics aren't everything. You yourself said that because Chechens look European, they can call themselves European and white despite being related to iranians. So using that logic, why do you claim you overlap more with Ossetians, when with everything weighed in, you don't at all?


I don't see any reason people are jumping at me. The only people who ever corner me are people who make intentional troll threads about Iranian nose jobs, Pashtuns being papuan, etc. They even hate on Kurds, yet yiure the first to defend them. Notice how you are only saying I deserve it yet you can't be specific on why other than me having an unpopular opinion.

Well their oracles doesnt HAVE to say "Khazak" per se, but they are pretty close to central asian turks

As for iranians, they are central asian shifted west asians. they are related to slavs to a small degree

[Registan]

The natives of Central Asia + Afghanistan probably were similar to modern day Brahui, a native Dravidian speaking people in Pakistan. The difference with West Iranian (Persian, Kurds) is that they mixed with the Bmac culture (Native Dravidians) before invading and assimilating natives of Iran and Zagros Mountains. Scythians and Sarmatians pretty much avoided mixing and were still closer to Eastern Europeans than their kin in South Central Asia and Middle East.

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2ymtah1.jpg

There is quite a difference. Here is a result of a Scythian, notice that they had around 10% Mongoloid admixture, around the same level as modern day Tajiks which makes Turks go insanely crazy and claim them as their own :laugh:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.3
2 South_Central_Asian 20.43
3 Caucasian 17.62
4 Ancestral_Altaic 13.98
5 East_Siberian 5.74
6 European_Early_Farmers 5.08
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.81
8 Arctic 1.58
9 Amerindian 1.24
10 Austronesian 0.99
11 Khoisan 0.13
12 South_Indian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 16.16
2 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 16.46
3 Tatar ( ) 16.51
4 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 16.78
5 Chuvashs ( ) 17.04
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 17.24
7 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 18.1
8 Komi ( ) 18.24
9 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 18.39
10 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 18.41
11 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 18.68
12 Russian-Ural ( ) 18.91
13 Bashkir ( ) 18.95
14 Karelian ( ) 19.04
15 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 19.1
16 Tatar_Kryashen ( ) 19.3
17 Finn ( ) 19.4
18 Chuvash ( ) 19.43
19 Finn_East ( ) 19.47
20 Erzya ( ) 19.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 39.9% Saami ( ) @ 4.59
2 55.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 44.3% Udmurd ( ) @ 5.77
3 56.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) + 43.7% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 5.96
4 74.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 25.1% Kalash ( ) @ 6.03
5 52.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 47.1% Komi ( ) @ 6.23
6 51.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 48.4% Komi ( ) @ 6.26
7 60.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 39.5% Saami_Finland ( ) @ 6.27
8 54.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 45.2% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.39
9 78.2% Tatar ( ) + 21.8% Kalash ( ) @ 6.52
10 53.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.6% Chuvash ( ) @ 6.56
11 54.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.1% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.56
12 58.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 41.1% Mari ( ) @ 6.57
13 56.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 43.8% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 6.61
14 50.3% Chuvashs ( ) + 49.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.88
15 51.3% Tatar ( ) + 48.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.9
16 50.2% Bashkir ( ) + 49.8% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.96
17 72.9% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) + 27.1% Brahui ( ) @ 7.01
18 54.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 45.4% Udmurd ( ) @ 7.04
19 51.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) + 48.9% Chuvashs ( ) @ 7.05
20 53.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) + 46.5% Finn ( ) @ 7.06

With a different calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 37.03
2 Caucasus_HG 31.83
3 Anatolian_NF 12.9
4 Siberian 5.79
5 South_Asian 5.36
6 Amerindian 3.05
7 East_Asian 2.11
8 Beringian 1.26
9 Near_East 0.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 15.76
2 Tajik_Pomiri 18.19
3 Russian 19.2
4 Chuvash 20.6
5 Croatian 22.17
6 Belarusian 22.22
7 Nogai 22.32
8 Hungarian 22.41
9 Finnish 23.05
10 Czech 23.16
11 Dutch_North 23.42
12 Dutch_South 23.76
13 German_North 23.99
14 Bulgarian 24.37
15 Chechen 24.8
16 Scottish_West 24.95
17 Estonian 25.07
18 Icelandic 25.21
19 Irish 25.5
20 English_South 25.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Tajik_Pomiri + 48.6% Russian @ 3.82
2 53.8% Mordovian + 46.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.89
3 56.2% Tajik_Pomiri + 43.8% Finnish @ 4.42
4 74% Mordovian + 26% Makrani @ 4.85
5 69.7% Russian + 30.3% Makrani @ 4.86
6 69.1% Russian + 30.9% Balochi @ 4.88
7 74.8% Mordovian + 25.2% Brahui @ 4.94
8 70.6% Russian + 29.4% Brahui @ 5
9 73.6% Mordovian + 26.4% Balochi @ 5.03
10 62.2% Russian + 37.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.14
11 67.2% Mordovian + 32.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.28
12 58.5% Tajik_Pomiri + 41.5% Estonian @ 5.32
13 59.3% Tajik_Pomiri + 40.7% Lithuanian @ 5.35
14 55.4% Tajik_Pomiri + 44.6% Belarusian @ 5.44
15 65.6% Finnish + 34.4% Makrani @ 5.55
16 65% Finnish + 35% Balochi @ 5.76
17 66.6% Finnish + 33.4% Brahui @ 5.82
18 57.6% Finnish + 42.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.94
19 70.2% Mordovian + 29.8% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 6.31
20 72.4% Mordovian + 27.6% Pathan @ 6.52

BMAC language is a mystery. It could be related to Burushaski as well.


The unknown BMAC language can be triangulated from the loan words that it transmitted to Old Iranian (Avestan, Old Persian), Old Indian (Vedic) and Tocharian; the latter was spoken in westernmost China (Xinjiang) [6]–[9]. This language seems related to North Caucasian in the west and to Burushaski from the high Pamirs in the east, both form part of the Macro-Caucasian language family that also includes Basque [10], [11].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799995/

[Pahli]

BMAC language is a mystery. It could be related to Burushaski as well.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799995/

Just making assumptions here, genetically however they could be similar to Brahuis, high CHG ancestry + some 20 - 25% South Asian.

[Babak]

Just making assumptions here, genetically however they could be similar to Brahuis, high CHG ancestry + some 20 - 25% South Asian.

I dont think BMAC people were dravidians bro

[Pahli]

I dont think BMAC people were dravidians bro

They were most likely related, but I assume that they had considerably smaller amounts of South Asians than pre-Iranian Afghans / Pakis had. There has been some assumptions about the linguistic connection between BMAC and the harappan civilization.

Also, here's Sarmatian_IronAge in a Eurogenes K15 PCA:

https://image.ibb.co/f6zh7v/Pahli.png

Quite close to Ukrainians that actually live in ancient Scytho-Sarmatian homelands.

[Babak]

They were most likely related, but I assume that they had considerably smaller amounts of South Asians than pre-Iranian Afghans / Pakis had. There has been some assumptions about the linguistic connection between BMAC and the harappan civilization.

Interesting, i read some theories that BMAC emerged from Elam and that Elamite was a basterd language that consisted of IE and Afro-asiatic lol

[Pahli]

Interesting, i read some theories that BMAC emerged from Elam and that Elamite was a basterd langage that consisted of IE and Afro-asiatic

Lmfao, there are a lot of theories on the Elamites, the best thing would be to get a DNA sample and then later on try to recover some ancient texts of their language (if they still exist)

[Mikula]

The last time I heard Centum and Satum spoken was on Star Trek.
In which episode?