Octuplets' mum 'already has six'

[Vulpix]

Octuplets' mum 'already has six'


(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7860041.stm)BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7860041.stm): A Californian woman who gave birth to octuplets earlier this week already has six children, US media has reported.

The eight babies were delivered nine weeks early by Caesarean section in a hospital near Los Angeles on Monday.

The mother has not been named, but US media is quoting family members as saying she already has six other children, including twins.
Doctors say the eight babies are making good progress and are expected to stay in hospital for several more weeks.

Although the babies' mother asked doctors to keep her details confidential, a family acquaintance gave clues to her identity to the American CBS channel.

Shortly afterwards, media camped outside a house in Whittier, near Los Angeles.


'Sibling excitement'

The Associated Press news agency spoke to a man identified as the babies' grandfather, who was with two children. The children said they were excited to have eight new siblings, AP reported.

The Los Angeles Times later carried an interview with a woman identified as the babies' grandmother, who said her daughter already has six young children and never expected fertility treatment she had received would result in eight more babies.

She said that doctors had given her daughter the option of reducing the number of embryos, but she had declined.

"What do you suggest she should have done? She refused to have them killed. That is a very painful thing," she said.

She added that her daughter expected a big challenge raising 14 children. The woman's husband is expected to return to Iraq where he works as a contractor, the LA Times reported.

Officials at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center, near Los Angeles, said the woman was already 12 weeks pregnant when she came to them. Despite media questioning, the hospital has declined to say whether the mother became pregnant through fertility treatments.
The eight babies were delivered by a team of 46 doctors, nurses and assistants in the space of five minutes.

The mother is the second person recorded in the US to have delivered a set of living octuplets.

The last octuplets known to have survived birth in the US were born in Houston in 1998. One of the babies died one week later.

[Lenny]

It turns out the mother is a Muslim, is not married, and that all 14 of her children are from the same sperm donor. :eek: :mmmm:

"The mother – believed to be 33-year-old Nadya Suleman – now lives in a three bedroom bungalow with her parents and her six children. ..." [link (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2191783.ece)]

Granpda Suleman
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2042/picture1723057amy1.jpg

A photo of the "delivery team" (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/427/454282080067934171vb0.jpg). That photo is a poetic metaphor for the USA as a whole: A team of nonwhite doctors and nurses working around the clock to deliver 8 Muslim babies to a single mother.:rolleyes2:

[Atlas]

I am curious, is that woman white ?

[Vulpix]

I am curious, is that woman white ?

My money is on non-white :coffee:.

[Lenny]

If you consider Arabs white... :p

[Lenny]

Steve Sailer wrote the same thing I was trying to convey in much "crisper" language:


Paging Dr. Malthus: Insolvent Iraqi immigrant's 8 illegitimate infants

This octuplets story really puts the capstone on the Bush years. It's beyond the powers of parody. It's got everything that made the Bush Years the Bush Years: Iraqis, immigrants, illegitimacy, and insolvency.

The hospital is claiming it expects to spend $3.2 million on care for the eight babies.

From the LA Times:


The family of octuplets born in Southern California this week has a history of financial problems, including a bankruptcy, tax liens and a foreclosure, according to court records.

The 33-year-old Whittier woman, who has not been publicly identified, gave birth to the octuplets at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in Bellflower on Monday and already has six young children, including a set of twins, said her mother, Angela Suleman.

She lives with her parents in a 1,550-square-foot home in Whittier, where television trucks and camera crew continued to roam the quiet cul-de-sac Friday. This afternoon, the children's grandfather returned to the home with four toddlers and did not speak to the throng of media, other than to ask for privacy.

Last March, Suleman filed bankruptcy, claiming nearly $1 million in liabilities — mostly because of a bad house investment, her attorney said. Countrywide Home Loans approved a $492,000 mortgage for Suleman in 2006 for a second home she bought in Whittier for $615,000. In 2008, the bank began foreclosure procedures. The house was sold in August for $369,375.

To help support the family, the woman's father [an Arab; likely a translator] works in Iraq as a contractor, where he earns at least $100,000 annually.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/01/paging-dr-malthus-insolvent-iraqi.html

[Birka]

The Hospital won't pay for the $3.2 million. We, the tax-paying, insurance paying public will pay for it. Who pays for everything in this country? The working middle class, us.

We need the economic bailout.

[Atlas]

If you consider Arabs white... :p

Eight more muds in America. Californians white are now a minority because of that woman. :p

[Lenny]

Eight more muds in America. Californians white are now a minority because of that woman. :pIt's almost too hard to believe that "white-non-Hispanic" gentiles are now only 35-40% of the population of California. :shocked:

The 2010 Census will likely find more Latin-American-origin people to be slightly more than European-origin people in California...


If there is to be any real solution to the "USA Question", European-derived people will have to forfeit most or all of California.

[Æmeric]

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story.

Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilisation (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both their health and her own.

US public reaction has been mixed: many have asked how an unemployed single mother can raise 14 children, as her first six have already strained the family budget. Angela and Ed Suleman, Nadya’s parents,bought her a two-bedroom bungalow in the suburb of Whittier in March 2007, but soon after got into debt and had to leave their own home.

They filed for bankruptcy and moved in with their daughter and grandchildren. Last week her father said he would return to his native Iraq to work as a translator and driver.

Angela Suleman, who is caring for the first six children — one of whom is autistic — while her daughter is in hospital, said yesterday that she had consulted a psychologist over Nadya’s “obsession with children”.

Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” living off education grants and parental money, broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.

The identity of the octuplets’ father remains unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago.

Michael Tucker of the Georgia Reproductive Clinic, Atlanta, said Suleman’s story stunned him. “We are policed by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, which frowns upon implanting more than two or three embryos at a time. It is remarkable that any practitioner would undertake such a practice.”

The babies, born nine weeks prematurely by C-section, were attended to by 46 medical staff, who expected seven babies. When the eighth — a boy — appeared, doctors were “confounded”.

Angela Suleman said her daughter was advised to terminate some of the embryos in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy for the sake of her health, but she refused because she did not know how to make such a life-or-death decision.

“She doesn’t have any more, so it’s over now. It has to be,” said the grandmother.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece)



I have just 2 words in regards to this atrocity: Tubal Ligation





It's almost too hard to believe that "white-non-Hispanic" gentiles are now only 35-40% of the population of California. :shocked:

The 2010 Census will likely find more Latin-American-origin people to be slightly more than European-origin people in California...


If there is to be any real solution to the "USA Question", European-derived people will have to forfeit most or all of California.

On the contrary, in the upcoming civil war in the chaos following the economic collapse of the US, I say we drive them out. Most are Latin American, mainly Mexican. Force them to flee down the I-5 into Tijuana. Practically all are immigrants or the children of immigrants. It won't be a cultural shock for them to have to return too their homelands. As for Los Angeles, I would rather it become a ghost town then to remain in the condition it is currently in, teaming with the excess population of Latin America & Asia.

[Æmeric]

You can watch an interview supermom Nadya Suleman (pictured here 597) gave Dateline NBC. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/02062009/news/nationalnews/brood_thirsty_153856.htm)

[Lenny]

You can watch an interview supermom Nadya Suleman (pictured here 597)
Something I've wondered about from the beginning is this insane woman's background (she admits in the interview she deliberately induced octuplets). We learned early on that the father is an Iraqi immigrant who came to the U.S. in the early 1970s.

What about her mother?

[Nadya Suleman] described herself as "half Arabic, half Lithuanian".

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets6-2009feb06,0,1342962.story

And yet she looks almost Hispanic to me. Seeing this face (http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3084/artmothertodayfw9.jpg) on the street in the USA, that's what I'd assume. I wonder what box she marks on official forms. "White"? Probably "Other".

We also learn that the father of all 14 of her IVF-children is some guy named "David Solomon"; likely a Jewish fellow with a name like that.

What a mess!

[woody]

I heard on the radio yesterday that the reason she wanted lots of kids is that she was an only child, and didn't want her kids to go through that. But, I guess she couldn't get a man to knock her up, like every other mud in America does.

I've also heard that Pampers and other baby supply companies are avoiding her because of the negative publicity. Normally, wioth someone having lots of kids like that, they will give tons of freebies. They won't touch this one, probably in fear that the real Americans would boycott them. :thumb001:

[Lenny]

Oh, she won't have to worry about money. She's asking -- and apparently getting -- millions for each of these little interviews and TV appearances :rolleyes2:

[Atlas]

I heard on the radio yesterday that the reason she wanted lots of kids is that she was an only child, and didn't want her kids to go through that.

Same here. That's the main reason I'm planning on having a large family, when I'll find the right woman. :)

[Skandi]

I liked being an only child, I can't imagine anything worse than being one of 14. There would be no time for you, and it's not as if older siblings will be able to step in, their all the same age!

[woody]

Same here. That's the main reason I'm planning on having a large family, when I'll find the right woman. :)

See, that's how it's done. Find the right partner, marry, and have kids...that you can afford. If by some freak of nature, a couple has a dozen kids, sure, give them freebies. If they have a dozen embryos implanted, kick them in the ass. If it's a single woman having embroys implanted, kick her in the head. It's just like queers getting knocked up. If you want to be queer, why do you want kids too? That was the choice you mad ewhen you decided to go with the same sex.

[Vulpix]

Revealed: Three of octuplet mother's older children are disabled... and she claims benefits for them (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1140689/Revealed-Three-octuplet-mothers-older-children-disabled--claims-benefits-them.html#)

The single mother who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets has three disabled children who she receives benefits for, it was revealed today.

Nadya Suleman, 33, has previously insisted that she will not be claiming benefits, however her publicist has since confirmed that she already receives food stamps and child disability payments to help feed and care for her six other children.

'In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare,' said publicist Mike Furtney.

'She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them.'

The mother of 14 would not disclose the nature of the disabilities, or the type or sum of the payments.
The news came as it was revealed that all of Suleman's children were conceived with help from the same fertility doctor - Dr. Michael Kamrava.

The mother of 14, pictured with two of her other kids in 2006, is thought to have used the same fertility doctor to help conceive all of her children.

Over the past two weeks, his identity has been a source of great mystery because of questions over the ethics of implanting numerous embryos in a woman who already had six children.

However Kamrava's name finally emerged yesterday as a result of an interview aired Monday on NBC with Nadya Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies on January 26.
Kamrava, 57, would not comment on the issue, but told reporters outside his clinic on Rodeo Drive that he had granted an interview to one of the television networks. When asked to provide more detail, he said, 'Watch the news.'

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a 'violation of the standard of care.'
The medical board said it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In an interview with NBC, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills - of which Kamrava is director - and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor.
In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.
Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.
'He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial,' said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.
Jain criticised the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: 'I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said he worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo - or sometimes sperm with an unfertilised egg - directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.
Suleman said she had six embryos implanted for each of her pregnancies. The octuplets were a surprise result of her last set of six embryos, she said, explaining she had expected twins at most. Two of the embryos evidently divided in the womb.

Medical ethicists have criticised the implanting of so many embryos. National guidelines put the norm at two to three embryos for a woman of Suleman's age, except in extraordinary circumstances.
Kamrava's clinic performed 20 IVF procedures on women under 35 in 2006, according to the most recent national report compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Of those 20 procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and two in births. One woman delivered twins.

The average number of embryos he transferred per procedure for women under 35 was 3.5, the report said.

Fertility doctors often implant more than one embryo to increase the chances that one will take hold.
An in-vitro procedure typically costs between $8,000 and $15,000. Asked on NBC how she was able to afford the treatments, Suleman said she had saved money and used some of the more than $165,000 in disability payments she received after being injured in a 1999 riot at a state mental hospital where she worked.

Dr. Richard Paulson, who heads the fertility program at the University of Southern California, cautioned against rushing to judgment about the fertility treatment in this case because questions remain about the quality of Suleman's eggs and whether there were any extraordinary circumstances that would lead Kamrava to transfer so many embryos.
As for the technique Kamrava pioneered, 'those of us who are the scientists in the field do not feel this is a significant improvement,' Paulson said.

He said some doctors advertise that technique as 'a way of making patients feel that they are trying something new.'
Suleman told NBC's Today show she was 'fixated' on having children. She insisted said her doctor 'did nothing wrong' and had warned her of possible complications to the pregnancy and risks to the development of the babies.

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely but appear relatively healthy. Their names have a Biblical theme: Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Maliyah, Makai and Nariyah. All share the middle name Angel and the last name Solomon.

On Sunday, Suleman's mother, Angela Suleman, seemed to contradict her daughter's account, telling a Web site the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was not the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

In an interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com, Angela Suleman said she and Nadya's father pleaded with her first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again. She said her daughter went to another doctor.

'I'm really angry about that,' Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure.
'She already has six beautiful children. Why would she do this? I'm struggling to look after her six.

'We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house.'
Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.
'He was in love with her and wanted to marry her,' she said. 'But Nadya wanted to have children on her own.'

[Vulpix]

Octuplet Mom Accepting Online Donations of Cash & Credit Card (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20258553,00.html)

By Mike Fleeman
Originally posted Wednesday February 11, 2009 03:45 PM EST
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/news/090223/octuplet_web.jpg

Want to help a woman support 14 children, including octuplets? Just click on her new Web site – MasterCard, Visa, American Express and Discover all accepted.

The Nadya Suleman Family Web site (http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/) provides a PayPal link for donations from the public, plus a street address to mail in money and items, care of Suleman's publicists.

Established on Tuesday afternoon by husband-and-wife reps Joann Killeen and Mike Furtney, who are working for free for the controversial Suleman (who is receiving food stamps (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20258069,00.html) and other public assistance), the site also has photos of the six boys and two girls as well as a page to send comments.

The reps wouldn't say how much money has come in so far, but that Suleman already has received offers for baby clothes and cribs – as well as offers of donations for her older six children.

"We're getting so many calls and people writing in," Killeen says. "It's nice to see so many people are opening up their closets and hearts."

[SwordoftheVistula]

Nothing wrong with having 14 kids if you do it the right way, like the married couple in Arkansas who are both commercial realtors and had their kids naturally. This is just insane though, this woman should have been banned from having any more kids, certainly not subsidized medical procedures to induce 8 more.

[Loki]

The mother of all baby bumps: Octuplets mum bares her ENORMOUS stomach just eight days before giving birth (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1142566/The-mother-baby-bumps-Octuplets-mum-bares-ENORMOUS-stomach-just-days-giving-birth.html)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/12/article-1142566-037E2712000005DC-944_468x646.jpg

[Vulpix]

That hideous picture needs a food and drink warning :eek:...

[Frigga]

Ummm...............

Yeah.

That looks like permant scarring. Good luck on finding clothes that fit right.

[Gooding]

Ah,for the days of involuntary sterilization.:D Now we've got 15 more mudbloods, including that walking roach motel mother, to pay for.:mad:
This is absurd..like most third worlders, she's getting paid obscene amounts to breed and this one gets to broadcast her idiocy over the airwaves.Great.