White girl finds out she is 12.5% indian

[Wolfex]

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I believe she was a South Indian Tribal, may be a Dalit. Many of them are converted to Christianity by missionaries, and are anti-Hindu.

[Mortimer]

I believe she was a South Indian Tribal, may be a Dalit. Many of them are converted to Christianity by missionaries, and are anti-Hindu.

I think she was christian too. That would make sense. I know a christian girl from southindia. She is catholic and has a portuguese surname, but a indian first name. She is my friend on facebook but she is not poor what you expect from a dalit, she studied in singapore and has a well paid job, has college degree etc.

looks like the woman in the picture, just that, the picture is black and white and older and the woman is older but same nose and features

please dont quote, this is my friend
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[Petalpusher]

I get just fine, but she is still very genetically close to the French. Just because other populations aren't as inbred as some European populations and Jewish populations are doesn't mean that it isn't close.


Also, here is her grandfather's oracle. Just as I as expecting, bit close to West asians or iranics at all and closest to Brahmin indians, but still far from them.

No, her modeled 75% Euro is, like the 75% of the quadroon is most similar to N.German, that's not difficult to comprehend, is it. Rather than close, that's what the dominating part of their dna is close to, and everything else is completely alien to Europe. You can test any proper Mulatto, he will get this kind of Oracle too, with incredible distances (30-40), as long as his Euro side is slightly higher than the rest, which is always the case, cause the african side is never 100% SSA, there s only a few tribes like that. We had one here, he had "West German" as first match.

What's closer to an English a 50% Dutch + 50% Austrian or a 80% English + 20% SSA? First one is closer, second is most similar to English, he would get English as first match everytime, but 20% SSA is totally foreign to UK. Any proper world pca would show him going 1/4 towards Africa, that's very far from Europe. Yes that's why every study make pca, you can't just run admixture, however useful it isn't enough, certainly if you can't see what's relevant in an Oracle. An European who gets a fit with 1/4 Sandawe or Punjabi, you know there is something going on.

In the same way the grandfather gets a S.Indian pop cause he s half and of course there s no European input in there, so the distances are huge, while he is still 50% English. Brahmin must be 50% English, same broken logic.


Who's inbred? Do you seriously believe European are more inbred and that makes them closer together?

[Mortimer]

No, her modeled 75% Euro is, like the 75% of the quadroon is most similar to N.German, that's not difficult to comprehend, is it. Rather than close, that's what the dominating part of their dna is close to, and everything else is completely alien to Europe. You can test any proper Mulatto, he will get this kind of Oracle too, with incredible distances (30-40), as long as his Euro side is slightly higher than the rest, which is always the case, cause the african side is never 100% SSA, there s only a few tribes like that. We had one here, he had "West German" as first match.

What's closer to an English a 50% Dutch + 50% Austrian or a 80% English + 20% SSA? First one is closer, second is most similar to English, he would get English as first match everytime, but 20% SSA is totally foreign to UK. Any proper world pca would show him going 1/4 towards Africa, that's very far from Europe. Yes that's why every study make pca, you can't just run admixture, however useful it isn't enough, certainly if you can't see what's relevant in an Oracle. An European who gets a fit with 1/4 Sandawe or Punjabi, you know there is something going on.

In the same way the grandfather gets a S.Indian pop cause he s half and of course there s no European input in there, so the distances are huge, while he is still 50% English. Brahmin must be 50% English, same broken logic.


Who's inbred? Do you seriously believe European are more inbred and that makes them closer together?

Dude I must disagree, Im sure she clusters into Europe, dont know how far north but she certainly isnt east or south of greece

[Robocop]

A girl whose maternal grandfather supposedly descended from an English man in British raj India and a Portuguese-Welsh lady found out that her great grandmother lied about being Portuguese and was actually indian. She probably did it to avoid the racism back then and passed as an extremely atypical Portuguese lady. Everyone in the comments is telling her that she looks indian, but she doesn't look indian to me. She could pass as Southern Italian to me and isn't dark skinned at all.



https://youtu.be/GjFxaH9Sdjo

Her grandfather reacting to his half indian dna results


https://youtu.be/doIcfDSaSAE

She doesn't look Indian at all.

But her grandfather and other relatives were scums not to tell her, It's not like we are living today in some slave society Jesus... they could have told her.

[Purohit ji]

I can help her getting 56.25% Indian babies.

[Mortimer]

I can help her getting 56.25% Indian babies.

62.5% Indian babies. *Fixed

[Purohit ji]

62.5% Indian babies. *Fixed

Your maths is weak. Mortimer bro

[Mortimer]

Your maths is weak. Mortimer bro

Very true. I just recognised my own mistake.

[Purohit ji]

Very true. I just recognised my own mistake.

It happens sometimes.

[Robocop]

How can she think she is 100% white and have permanent tan? lol

Where does she have permanent tan in second video? I would never guessed she has 12% Indian in her, based on second video.

Ofcourse it shocked her, she was pretending in first video it didn't, but her family is guilty of that because they didn't told her.

Never the less, she still looks white, but her family (fathers side) are really scumbags for not tellin her.

[Petalpusher]

Dude I must disagree, Im sure she clusters into Europe, dont know how far north but she certainly isnt east or south of greece

Why would she be in Greece, there s no S.Asian in Greece. You know some Greeks who come up 1/4 Punjabi or 1/8 South Asian? I don't. As i said at the beginning you can't really place these people, they have something that doesn't match anything in Europe, they just match the majority of their ancestry, + something. It's even a bit random on that part too, as some component interact differently as the proportions change. Genetic admixture is based on reference of native people from certain countries, not mixes, the whole concept of admixture resides on the fact. That's why you need multi pop approxiation and mix mode too. If we really have to find a closest match, she is rather far east than south going by a pca, somewhere past Bulgaria where there s no existing population.

[Mortimer]

Why would she be in Greece, there s no S.Asian in Greece. You know some Greeks who come up 1/4 Punjabi or 1/8 South Asian? I don't. As i said at the beginning you can't really place these people, they have something that doesn't match anything in Europe, they just match the majority of their ancestry, + something. It's even quite on that part, as some component interact differently as the proportions change. Genetic admixture is based on reference of native people from certain countries, not mixes, the whole concept of admixture resides on the fact. That's why you need multi pop approxiation and mix mode too. If we really have to find a closest match, she is rather far east than south going by a pca, somewhere past Bulgaria where there s no existing population.

I didnt said her autosomal admixture is the same as greeks. But cluster pca doesnt work like that. She will be from a british starting point and put further south and east removed because of her asian, she will end up in continental europe I dont know exactly where but Im sure in Europe because I often end up in Europe too or slightly off Europe and she is much more Euro then me and more Northern Euro. I didnt said she is the same as a greek.

[Robocop]

While watchin the video about girl from OP, I stumbled on this video in related videos, JESUS THIS WAS SHOCKING, this is TRUE SHOCK RIGHT THERE considering DNA test, not some Ancestry DNA test (which is only in purpose of curiosity), but LOOK AT THIS MAN... My eyes got wet for this poor girl and boy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzH61M9uHY

THE "MOTHER" of this two is true BITCH, a fucking bitch, not mother but BITCH.

[Myanthropologies]

No, her modeled 75% Euro is, like the 75% of the quadroon is most similar to N.German, that's not difficult to comprehend, is it. Rather than close, that's what the dominating part of their dna is close to, and everything else is completely alien to Europe. You can test any proper Mulatto, he will get this kind of Oracle too, with incredible distances (30-40), as long as his Euro side is slightly higher than the rest, which is always the case, cause the african side is never 100% SSA, there s only a few tribes like that. We had one here, he had "West German" as first match.

What's closer to an English a 50% Dutch + 50% Austrian or a 80% English + 20% SSA? First one is closer, second is most similar to English, he would get English as first match everytime, but 20% SSA is totally foreign to UK. Any proper world pca would show him going 1/4 towards Africa, that's very far from Europe. Yes that's why every study make pca, you can't just run admixture, however useful it isn't enough, certainly if you can't see what's relevant in an Oracle. An European who gets a fit with 1/4 Sandawe or Punjabi, you know there is something going on.

In the same way the grandfather gets a S.Indian pop cause he s half and of course there s no European input in there, so the distances are huge, while he is still 50% English. Brahmin must be 50% English, same broken logic.


Who's inbred? Do you seriously believe European are more inbred and that makes them closer together?

Brahamin are apparently at a 30 distance away from being able to be modeled as half English and half South Indian. Whatever you say, she still clusters well into Europe. I think you're just upset about that fact that you're genetically closer to a "gypsy mix looking girl" (according to yourself) who is 13% South Indian, than you are to most Europeans. You will happily boat yourself with Sicilians, even Jews, and Finns, etc, yet you are calling this girl an "alien to Europe." Her 9% South Asian will have a lot of CHG/Iranian Neolithic stuff which is abolsoutely not a foreign component to Europe, and her ASE percentage is probably very low. If she has kids with an English dude, they will certainly cluster with western europeans.

You are also lowkey trying to blame everything on her South asian blood, when she has italian blood that also puts her on a weird end of the scale. Had she been pure English on her European side, she would have clustered with French or someone. Aren't some Finns up to like 12% East Asian? But they're "European"? Is it because they're pasty faced and she's not?

She is far far less alien to France than most Europeans are, and you can't seem to accept that for some reason.

['owight Gavnah]

@myanthropologies

Buddy I'm not quite sure you know how oracles work. Although I agree with her clustering with Europeans, she's also close to Indians genetically speaking. For instance take a Iranian and this girl. Iranians have 13% south Asian in the euro gene calculator, whereas she has 9%. However, her 9% is actual south Asian and very recent. Oracle wise south Asians wouldn't show up for her. Take another example, a halt English /Jordanian, oracle wise put that person somewhere in Sicily. But the person won't be actually close to Sicilians, instead they would be close to English AND Jordanians, but oracles don't show that. It's not that straightforward. Much more complex.

[Milo]

Brahmin isn't an ethnicity or even a homogenous group you retards :picard2:

[Hendrui]

Brahmin isn't an ethnicity or even a homogenous group you retards :picard2:

Agreed.

[Petalpusher]

Brahamin are apparently at a 30 distance away from being able to be modeled as half English and half South Indian. Whatever you say, she still clusters well into Europe. I think you're just upset about that fact that you're genetically closer to a "gypsy mix looking girl" (according to yourself) who is 13% South Indian, than you are to most Europeans. You will happily boat yourself with Sicilians, even Jews, and Finns, etc, yet you are calling this girl an "alien to Europe." Her 9% South Asian will have a lot of CHG/Iranian Neolithic stuff which is abolsoutely not a foreign component to Europe, and her ASE percentage is probably very low. If she has kids with an English dude, they will certainly cluster with western europeans.

You are also lowkey trying to blame everything on her South asian blood, when she has italian blood that also puts her on a weird end of the scale. Had she been pure English on her European side, she would have clustered with French or someone. Aren't some Finns up to like 12% East Asian? But they're "European"? Is it because they're pasty faced and she's not?

She is far far less alien to France than most Europeans are, and you can't seem to accept that for some reason.

Yes he is at that distance from being Brahmin who AREN'T half English half S.Indian, so why in one case you manage to get it but in the other you can't? There s no country in the world that is half English/S.Indian like there s no European country which is 75% Euro and 25% Punjabi. Whatever you say or isn't capable to understand she isn't similar to anything in Europe, that's not me who doesn't want it, it's her admixture. You cannot seriously believe that the S.African i posted cluster with N.German because he is @13 from them. If you were to put him on pca he would be in N.Africa, it just shows his 75% European is N.German like or whatever is close, just like her whole single pop list, and then he has an African grand parent. In both cases it's rightly detected in multi pop, you see what you want to see i guess and ignore everything else. Most of her DNA is Euro, the rest is a S.Indian great grand parent, but that's not exactly a detail.

S.Asian is not just CHG and Iran_N. It's half ASE, she is about 1/16 Onge/Papuan like, 1/8 Dravidian or 1/4 Punjabi, no that's not like being 1/16 Italian or anything else European. Do you realize what's, even 1/16? it's the equivalent of a GG grand parent. Plenty of people have records of their GG grand parents, i know i do, i even have photos of them, i can tell they were not Papuans or Dravidians.
S.Asian is completely alien to Europe, it's as distant in the same way African is, it's made mostly of a ghost OOA population to begin with, + 100ky worth of drift and some quite archaic admixture, more so than modern Africans. It's as distant genetically to Europe than E.African, actually probably more.


I don't care about Jews, you re the one obsessed about Jews. If you want to argue Finns are not Europeans as well like you already tried that for S.Italians and Greeks, go on, nothing can stop your owd rampage at this point, is there?

[Milo]

Brother forgive me, I didn't mean to offend you. What I actually wanted to say is that her ancestry is likely from anglo-Indian from Goa region which are genetically very ASI shifted without any wakhi ancestry. Brahmins of Goa didn't mix with Britsh otherwise we would likely see different phenotypes among anglo Indians. They have been isolated since neolithic times without any steppe admixture and have developed strong and powerful genes which shows in their phenotype. This is the reason despite this girl barely scoring 5% south indian still isn't as white as average european.There is no reason whatsoever to assume her Indian ancestry is from Dalits in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Caste

The community was divided into five castes: Bamonns, Chardos, Sudirs, Gauddos, Mahars, and Chamars. The Bamonns (the Konkani word for Brahmins) were originally members of the priestly caste, and had taken up various occupations like agriculture, trade, commerce, and goldsmithy.[citation needed] Several sub-castes, such as the Goud Saraswat Brahmins, the Padyes, the Daivadnyas, the goldsmiths and some merchants, were lumped into the Christian caste of Bamonn.[citation needed] The Chardos (the Konkani word for Kshatriyas) were converts from the Kshatriya (military/ royal class) caste, and included a few members from the Vaishya caste (merchant class). Those Vaishyas who were not incorporated into the Chardo caste were called Gauddos, and formed the fourth group. The artisan converts formed the third-biggest group and were known as Sudirs (labour class). The Dalits or "Untouchables" who converted to Christianity became Mahars and Chamars, who formed the fifth group. They were later merged to the Sudirs.[108] The Christian converts of the aboriginal stock known as Gavddis were termed Kunbi.[108] Although they still obeserve the caste system, they consider it the unhappiest heritage of their pre-Christian past.

If she scores 5% SI, that means her Grandpa would score around 20% and his mother would score 40%, which is less than what the Brahmins of the region themselves score.

the oracle saying 50% chenchu + 50% North Euro sounds like bs anyways.

[Myanthropologies]

Yes he is at that distance from being Brahmin who AREN'T half English half S.Indian, so why in one case you manage to get it but in the other you can't? There s no country in the world that is half English/S.Indian like there s no European country which is 75% Euro and 25% Punjabi.

Yes, but some come close to that anyways, like france does apparently.


Whatever you say or isn't capable to understand she isn't similar to anything in Europe, that's not me who doesn't want it, it's her admixture.

I understand just fine. Please stop talking to me like im an idiot, bullshitpusher. I understand that no European populations can be EXACTLY modeled as that, but the distance between her and a frank is the same as the distance some Franks are from Germans. Are French people and Germans not in the same cluster either? Are you just mad because if we modeled you as a 75% North European and a quarter punjabi, it would be closer to what you are than most full Europeans would be?


You cannot seriously believe that the S.African i posted cluster with N.German because he is @13 from them. If you were to put him on pca he would be in N.Africa, it just shows his 75% European is N.German like or whatever is close, just like her whole single pop list, and then he has an African grand parent. In both cases it's rightly detected in multi pop, you see what you want to see i guess and ignore everything else. Most of her DNA is Euro, the rest is a S.Indian great grand parent, but that's not exactly a detail.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A SOUTH AFRICAN AND GERMAN. SHE IS 12% SOUTH INDIAN, A PRIMARILY WEST EURASIAN POPULATION GENETICALLY.

Goodness, you talk to me like im an idiot, but apparently you can't do math because a person who scores 8 distance from Franks is in the same boat as someone who scores 33 from Brahamin_UP.

Stop bullshitting. What north African is at a 13 distance from Western europeans? What you're basically telling me is that PCAS are bs (if that was true), but it isn't.


S.Asian is not just CHG and Iran_N. It's half ASE, she is about 1/16 Onge/Papuan like, 1/8 Dravidian or 1/4 Punjabi, no that's not like being 1/16 Italian or anything else European. Do you realize what's, even 1/16? it's the equivalent of a GG grand parent. Plenty of people have records of their GG grand parents, i know i do, i even have photos of them, i can tell they were not Papuans or Dravidians.

That's why calculators shouldn't be taken literally. There are people who do score some little amounts of paupuan who certainly don't have paupuan great great grandparents either. But the thing is, it is more accurate to model you as what this girl is than it is to model you as a full Finn or a full Italian, otherwise she wouldn't be THAT close to the Franks. Punjabis are not alien to Europeans. They are technically the same race (West Eurasian), and being able to be modeled as a quarter punjabi and the rest nw European doesn't make her alien. She is closer to nw Europeans than Greeks, North Italians, and even most balkanites are.

South Indian is more than half West Asian I believe, but even it is half, she scores 9% South Indian on calculators and even if south indian was 1/2, that would mean she is only 1-4% Australoid/paupuan, and that isn't a lot at all. You even score like 1% of it. That is not 1/16, stop exotifying her, she is genetically close to you after all :laugh:.


S.Asian is completely alien to Europe, it's as distant in the same way African is, it's made mostly of a ghost OOA population to begin with, + 100ky worth of drift and some quite archaic admixture, more so than modern Africans. It's as distant genetically to Europe than E.African, actually probably more.

Lol, stop lying through your teeth. West Asian components can have a chunk of ASE in them, yet sicilians can be still modeled with 45% of it and 55% of some bronze age European populations. Most South Indians are more than 50% West Eurasian genetically. More foreign than East Africans? Lol. I love how you want to be so far from this part indian girl that you say that you're closer to 40-60% Caucasoid and 40-60% Negroid populations than you are to S. Asians. Why is west asian one of the closest components to the older Northern European component despite having a little ASI?


I don't care about Jews, you re the one obsessed about Jews. If you want to argue Finns are not Europeans as well like you already tried that for S.Italians and Greeks, go on, nothing can stop your owd rampage at this point, is there?

I've never said that any of those groups are non European before, except for Jews. I just said that some of them are closer to many Middle Eastern populations including Saudis than to even French people. I never said that about Greeks though, liar. I was just pointing out how a "European" genetically existing in the sense that you think can be extremely arbitrary. You keep shifting back and forth between what is and isn't your definition of "European." First you said someone who clusters within the ranges of Europe's modern accepted borders genetically, but when I pointed out that Adygei, Georgians, etc, are also modern accepted Europeans by most people, and that that would mean iranics and Turks are "European" (which we both know is obviously nonsense), you tried to dismiss them. Finns are more outlying to Europeans than she is.

Im not obsessed with Jews, nor am I OWD. When will you get through your thick skull that I don't wish to be close to obnoxious metrosexual Western Europeans? I am American anyways. I even consider black Americans closer to me than I am to any non americans. I intend care about genetics. I just think you're a giant ignorant buffoon for insinuating that the grandfather would cluster with iranics and west asiatics, and that the girl would be "foreign gypsy," when calculators (which are obviously more accurate than PCAs), showed that you were horribly wrong and ignorant.

I understand that you are a European nationalist and I am not against that. But you dont have to prove that somelet is racially different from you (especially when they're not), to prove a point. You share more genetics and literal ancestry/blood with her than you do with most Europeans. ISN'T it kinda funny how Anglojew who is almost the same mix as her, but with 25% mena and not punjabi, is farther or just as far from north euros than she is?

[Insuperable]

Except she's not literally 25% punjabi, smart one. You take calculators way too seriously.

I know, that she is not, duh.


Apparently Bulgarians are too foreign for Europe too (according to yourself), since she clusters right next to them. If her European ancestry was wholly English, she would have clustered with Croats and Moldavians. She's genetically closer to Bulgarians than ashkenazis are to Sicilians and South Italians on pp's map (which I don't agree with). Why do you have to be such a dick about it?

I said nothing about Bulgarians being foreign for Europe. Your OWD abuses the meaning of a cluster. European cluster is a South Asian free cluster. She just happens to be close to it.


What if this was you? This girl grew up her whole life thinking she was mostly of European descent (which she is), and had nothing to do with India. The fact that you claim she is totally foreign for Europe despite being 86% European (and 12% something that is still West Eurasian), shows that you are just a giant hypocrite.
She is far more foreign to India than she is to Europe. She genetically clusters in Europe (and well into europe that for that matter).

As you can see she does not cluster in Europe, especially not well into Europe.


Not with south european outliers for example), she grew up in Europe, and she is culturally European. Therefore, she is still European no matter what you say.

Nobody gives a shit what you think. She is a mixed race. She can be modelled as 25% Punjabi.


He clusters way too close to West Asian component for it to make sense based on what he scored on gedmatch. He had barely any west asian or similar component to it at all.

LMAO, you are one OWD hypocrite. Her grandfather clusters way close to West Asian and you are all 'he had barely any West Asian blah blah'. She clusters close to European cluster and you are all 'she is European blah blah'.


Even when you factor out the west asian stuff from his south indian ancestry, he is only 30% West Asian, and the rest being mostly North European and about 17% ASI/E. That doesn't = west asian or anything near it. Looking at the chick's gedmatch, it makes sense that she would cluster near Bulgarians. The only thing keeping her from being exactly on point with them is her 9% South Indian blood, but even that has West Asian stuff in it which isn't so foreign. She is probably only like 3% ASE.

3%? Lmao. She scores 10% South Asian, but she is 3% ASE? Your just don't know when to stop overanalyzing. OWD does that.

She still clusters extremely close to Bulgarians genetically.

And her grandfather clusters close to Pashtuns. There.


Lol at you insisting that a half european half south Indian is genetically closer to Europeans than Afghans are. That's not true. Not that i care, but it is not. Afghans don't cluster where they should on pp's PCA from what I've seen of what they get in mixed mode. They can be modeled as half Lezgin and half Burusho/Kalash. They can even be modeled as half Pathan and half Chechen in some cases. They are genetically even closer to Azeris and Iranians than to even Sindhis a lot of the time, so that pca is indeed wrong about where afghans (and a shitload of other people cluster).

There are instances where in order to get a Pakistani pashtun to an afghan pashtun, you have to give him 20% Russian, Ukranian, or Polish ancestry.

Even Pathans on PP's map are not where they should be. As one of my oracles shows, Pathans despite being south asian shifted are still genetically much more closer to Afghan Pashtuns than they are to Punjabis. If they weren't, the afghan pashtun would have scored the punjabi up there, but he didn't, except for all the way at the very bottom at an extremely large distance.

Another thing that is weird about his map is how amerindians cluster so close to populations they shouldn't be. The plot has a projection bias to a degree (it's pretty clear it does). I've also never seen a PCA like that before.

There is more genetic diversity in India than in Europe and even farther than Europe, so it would make no sense for him to cluster there, especially when a half Swedish half tamil girl on ag got this:

[SPOILER]Least-squares method.

Your two examples you constantly post won't change the average result. Dat Gujarati.

[Myanthropologies]

your two results won't change the average. Dat Gujarati.

Lol I have like 6 examples, it's our results that are always the atypical ones and one time you even shared a Pakistani Pashtuns oracle from Anthrogenica. "Dat gujurati" has extremely elevated steepe blood and isn't average, which is why it more northern than Punjabis.

[Insuperable]

Lol I have like 6 examples, it's our results that are always the atypical ones and one time you even shared a Pakistani Pashtuns oracle from Anthrogenica. "Dat gujurati" has extremely elevated steepe blood and isn't average, which is why it more northern than Punjabis.

How is it more northern?
https://s17.postimg.org/gm8s7vbyn/Untitled.png

[Milo]

South Indian is half CHG half ASI(East Eurasian)

the Punjabi in the oracles aren't Punjabi Jatts, they are likely low caste/Dalit Punjabis, and are more southern shifted than the Gujarati A sample.


YOU GUYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CASTES THEMSELVES "Punjabi" "Gujarati" etc are just languages, and aren't really ethnicities(as such)

[Insuperable]

YOU GUYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CASTES THEMSELVES "Punjabi" "Gujarati" etc are just languages, and aren't really ethnicities(as such)

Oracle compares individual genomes (in this case the ones MyAnthro posted) with the average genomes. Differences between them are not important at this moment.

[Petalpusher]

Yes, but some come close to that anyways, like france does apparently.

I understand just fine. Please stop talking to me like im an idiot, bullshitpusher. I understand that no European populations can be EXACTLY modeled as that, but the distance between her and a frank is the same as the distance some Franks are from Germans. Are French people and Germans not in the same cluster either? Are you just mad because if we modeled you as a 75% North European and a quarter punjabi, it would be closer to what you are than most full Europeans would be?

She isn't, neither to Germany, nor Dutch, her first top 3 matches, all at 9 something. It would be the same argument if she was getting German or Dutch first, there s not even a difference, she gets France @9.83 from France and Germany @9.87 and the 1/4 Sandawe is at 13 something of N.German. If anything it shows they are all the results of mixes with predominant European ancestry, if you stop there like you try to conveniently do.




OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A SOUTH AFRICAN AND GERMAN. SHE IS 12% SOUTH INDIAN, A PRIMARILY WEST EURASIAN POPULATION GENETICALLY.

yes It's the same thing in an European context, S.India is not West Eurasian, it's 50% ASE, just like Somali are 50% Caucasoid and 50% SSA. What kind of reasoning would it be to associate Horners with Europe "cause hey they are 50% caucasoid". ASE has nothing to do with West Eurasia. Ultimately it steamed from Oceania/Australia, can't get more foreign than that.



Goodness, you talk to me like im an idiot, but apparently you can't do math because a person who scores 8 distance from Franks is in the same boat as someone who scores 33 from Brahamin_UP.

She is 1/8, the grandfather is 1/2. Try to think in which case it increases the distance the most.



Stop bullshitting. What north African is at a 13 distance from Western europeans? What you're basically telling me is that PCAS are bs (if that was true), but it isn't.

yes that confirms you still don't get it. His 75% translates into N.German, it's just 75% of something that is a 100% proportion, you re following right? Means if you lower an average N.German's admix at 75% you get close to his European admix, but then he as a 100% admixture like everyone else, yeah? the 25% are S.African (mostly SSA + East African), that's like 13-14% not present in N.Germany, guess what, he gets it N.Germany @13. Just like she gets West Euro at 9.8, cause she is 9.8 South Asian. What ever is the component, be it African, S.Asian or even +3 Baltic -4 N.Atlantic etc..(all infinetly more related to each other than S.Asia is to them), the oracle won't make a difference in the single pop list.

That's why you need pca's, again. You can also be honest and read properly admixture beyond the single pop, everything counts, the admix, the best fits,.. You fail to understand that these numbers are not really distances, it's a convenience to call them distance, it's an accuracy of the match. Ever noticed they tend to lower down as you add multi population or percentage of them? The accuracy of the fits increase. Whatever the value is lower, is more accurate. The grandfather gets 50% Chenchu at @2 which begins to be a good fit. So which one do you think this man really is, half English + half S.Indian is randomly Brahmin @30 or 50 NW Euro + 50% Chenchu @2 ? Is he more the multi pop fit @2 or the single pop fit @30? It's not complicated, you can do it.

I thought at the beginning you were playing dumb, but now i think you are just stupid indeed so im adjusting and talk to you like an idiot. On a sidenote i swear if someone who develops that kind of logic is anywhere near a science course, the American eduction system must be pretty fucked up. At this point i don't answer for you, but to try to clear things up about how all this works.




That's why calculators shouldn't be taken literally. There are people who do score some little amounts of paupuan who certainly don't have paupuan great great grandparents either. But the thing is, it is more accurate to model you as what this girl is than it is to model you as a full Finn or a full Italian, otherwise she wouldn't be THAT close to the Franks. Punjabis are not alien to Europeans. They are technically the same race (West Eurasian), and being able to be modeled as a quarter punjabi and the rest nw European doesn't make her alien. She is closer to nw Europeans than Greeks, North Italians, and even most balkanites are.

Whatever you rantling about makes you feel good, but no they do have the equivalent of an ASE GG grandparent, not them directly but all their ancestors, equally, on average, as they all are around half ASE, so... well they score it accordingly. She s the most distant to West in Europe despite being predominantly West Euro, a pca demonstrate this using her Eurogenes results. She has no reason to be that close to south Euro either she has very little ancestry from there, if any. Not that S.Euro have significant S.Asians anyway.



South Indian is more than half West Asian I believe, but even it is half, she scores 9% South Indian on calculators and even if south indian was 1/2, that would mean she is only 1-4% Australoid/paupuan, and that isn't a lot at all. You even score like 1% of it. That is not 1/16, stop exotifying her, she is genetically close to you after all :laugh:.

I don't, but it's not the subject. She has significant ASE but yea probably half what a Pashtun have, yet gypsies also have less than Pashtuns, so it's all relative right.





Lol, stop lying through your teeth. West Asian components can have a chunk of ASE in them, yet sicilians can be still modeled with 45% of it and 55% of some bronze age European populations. Most South Indians are more than 50% West Eurasian genetically. More foreign than East Africans? Lol. I love how you want to be so far from this part indian girl that you say that you're closer to 40-60% Caucasoid and 40-60% Negroid populations than you are to S. Asians. Why is west asian one of the closest components to the older Northern European component despite having a little ASI?

"West Asia" is not close to N.Europe component, it's the most basal + some Afontova Gora (ANE like), also the closest thing relatively to S.Asian and African at the same time in the components Europeans score. People repeating that haven't read any dstat or fst. That's why southernmost Euro get a lot of it, and lowers significantly in the west and the north, it is also without the ASE that S.Indians do have on top of the CHG/Iran_N, which is obviously a big difference, just like Somali are half basal Eurasian and it is shared to some extent a bit everywhere but Europe has no SSA, except a few isolated cases.

Maybe another pca? There s an arrow to help.

https://s14.postimg.org/gfeowh5vj/Once_upon_a_time3.png

[Profileid]

why does this have 28 pages?

[Myanthropologies]

I said nothing about Bulgarians being foreign for Europe. Your OWD abuses the meaning of a cluster. European cluster is a South Asian free cluster. She just happens to be close to it.

Wrong and wrong.






As you can see she does not cluster in Europe, especially not well into Europe.

She clusters better in northern and western Europe than you do. "Does that other out cause she's 25% punjabi?"
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 9.83
2 West_German 9.87
3 South_Dutch 10.35
4 Austrian 12.99
5 East_German 14.38
6 Spanish_Galicia 14.56
7 Spanish_Cataluna 14.57
8 Southeast_English 14.68
9 North_German 14.9
10 Portuguese 15.05
11 Hungarian 15.43
12 Southwest_English 15.78
13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.83
14 Danish 16.06
15 Orcadian 16.18
16 Spanish_Extremadura 16.28
17 Serbian 16.34
18 North_Dutch 16.63
19 Spanish_Murcia 16.64
20 Spanish_Valencia 16.68




Nobody gives a shit what you think. She is a mixed race. She can be modelled as 25% Punjabi.

Yeah, and apparently the French can as that more than they could be modeled as majority of Europeans.





LMAO, you are one OWD hypocrite. Her grandfather clusters way close to West Asian and you are all 'he had barely any West Asian blah blah'. She clusters close to European cluster and you are all 'she is European blah blah'.

He actually isn't. Why don't you read the last few pages before spouting bs. Here is is oracle

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmin_UP 27.33
2 Punjabi_Jat 28
3 Tadjik 30.89
4 Pathan 30.89
5 Bangladeshi 31.23
6 Kshatriya 31.31
7 Burusho 31.47
8 Afghan_Pashtun 31.87
9 Gujarati 32.13
10 Afghan_Tadjik 33.16
11 Kalash 33.85
12 Sindhi 34.66
13 Dharkar 35.98
14 Hungarian 36.4
15 Moldavian 36.44
16 Serbian 36.53
17 Romanian 36.68
18 Kanjar 36.69
19 Tatar 36.85
20 Austrian 36.98



3%? Lmao. She scores 10% South Asian, but she is 3% ASE? Your just don't know when to stop overanalyzing. OWD does that.[/QUOTE]

South indian is more than half West eurasian, she has only 3-4% Australiod.



And her grandfather clusters close to Pashtuns. There.

No he doesn't idiot.

[Hithaeglir]

She should have expected some Indian,which shows clearly on her grandfather's phenotype.But there is a moment where she acknowledges herself that her great grandmother didn't look Portuguese/Welsh.

[Insuperable]

Wrong and wrong.

What is wrong?

You abusing the concept of cluster? Check
You not understanding the concept of component free cluster? Check


She clusters better in northern and western Europe than you do. "Does that other out cause she's 25% punjabi?"
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 9.83
2 West_German 9.87
3 South_Dutch 10.35
4 Austrian 12.99
5 East_German 14.38
6 Spanish_Galicia 14.56
7 Spanish_Cataluna 14.57
8 Southeast_English 14.68
9 North_German 14.9
10 Portuguese 15.05
11 Hungarian 15.43
12 Southwest_English 15.78
13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.83
14 Danish 16.06
15 Orcadian 16.18
16 Spanish_Extremadura 16.28
17 Serbian 16.34
18 North_Dutch 16.63
19 Spanish_Murcia 16.64
20 Spanish_Valencia 16.68

Who cares where she clusters in Europe. She is equivalent to being 25% Punjabi. European having a Punjabi grandfather=non-white. What is it that you don't understand? Like I said, your OWD abusing the concept of cluster. You just like confirming everything I say. Good job :patpat: Keep it up.


Yeah, and apparently the French can as that more than they could be modeled as majority of Europeans.

Like I said, keep it up.


He actually isn't. Why don't you read the last few pages before spouting bs. Here is is oracle

Plz. You yourself have said he shouldn't be that close to West Asian cluster. You have to understand the meaning of the sentence.


South indian is more than half West eurasian, she has only 3-4% Australiod.

Ok, could be. Still South Indian is South Indian.


No he doesn't idiot.

Oh, yes, I forgot he clusters a lot closer to Europe.

[Petalpusher]

Ok, could be. Still South Indian is South Indian.


Still full of shit like on everything else :

Paniyas (not even the most S.Indian pop but the closest to it at K6)

ANE 24.50
ASE 47.70
E_Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10

West Eurasian % = barely, "ANE + Basal" if you consider it all W.Eurasia, it isn't but let's say..that's 33.4% W.Eurasian, with the wind in the back. More realistic about 25% W.Eurasian, which is already enough to distort the European side readings btw.

[gum_dum]

There is no reason whatsoever to assume her Indian ancestry is from Dalits in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goan_Catholics#Caste


If she scores 5% SI, that means her Grandpa would score around 20% and his mother would score 40%, which is less than what the Brahmins of the region themselves score.

the oracle saying 50% chenchu + 50% North Euro sounds like bs anyways.

True, could be any caste from Goa.

[gum_dum]

South Indian is half CHG half ASI(East Eurasian)

the Punjabi in the oracles aren't Punjabi Jatts, they are likely low caste/Dalit Punjabis, and are more southern shifted than the Gujarati A sample.


YOU GUYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CASTES THEMSELVES "Punjabi" "Gujarati" etc are just languages, and aren't really ethnicities(as such)

Punjabi_jat in these oracles or PCA are from proper jatt samples.

[gum_dum]

Still full of shit like on everything else :

Paniyas (not even the most S.Indian pop but the closest to it at K6)

ANE 24.50
ASE 47.70
E_Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10

West Eurasian % = barely, "ANE + Basal" if you consider it all W.Eurasia, it isn't but let's say..that's 33.4% W.Eurasian, with the wind in the back.

Paniyas are most south indian shifted, they score 84% south indian on harappa.

[Insuperable]

Still full of shit like on everything else :

Paniyas (not even the most S.Indian pop but the closest to it at K6)

ANE 24.50
ASE 47.70
E_Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10

West Eurasian % = barely, "ANE + Basal" if you consider it all W.Eurasia, it isn't but let's say..that's 33.4% W.Eurasian, with the wind in the back. More realistic about 25% W.Eurasian, which is already enough to distort the European side readings btw.

Yeah, she should be at least 5% ASE, not 3%.

[Petalpusher]

Paniyas are most south indian shifted, they score 84% south indian on harappa.

I see Sakili and Chenchu on some other runs, but maybe. The point is, the end of the S.Asian continuum is about 50% ASE.

[Longbowman]

why does this have 28 pages?

This is the greatest fear that your average TA poster has. Discovering recent non-white heritage.

*shiver*

[Myanthropologies]

She isn't, neither to Germany, nor Dutch, her first top 3 matches, all at 9 something. It would be the same argument if she was getting German or Dutch first, there s not even a difference, she gets France @9.83 from France and Germany @9.87 and the 1/4 Sandawe is at 13 something of N.German. If anything it shows they are all the results of mixes with predominant European ancestry, if you stop there like you try to conveniently do.

Lol,





yes It's the same thing in an European context, S.India is not West Eurasian, it's 50% ASE, just like Somali are 50% Caucasoid and 50% SSA. What kind of reasoning would it be to associate Horners with Europe "cause hey they are 50% caucasoid". ASE has nothing to do with West Eurasia. Ultimately it steamed from Oceania/Australia, can't get more foreign than that.

Yes, but South Indians are either half or more than half West Eurasian.


That's why you need pca's, again. You can also be honest and read properly admixture beyond the single pop, everything counts, the admix, the best fits,.. You fail to understand that these numbers are not really distances, it's a convenience to call them distance, it's an accuracy of the match. Ever noticed they tend to lower down as you add multi population or percentage of them? The accuracy of the fits increase. Whatever the value is lower, is more accurate. The grandfather gets 50% Chenchu at @2 which begins to be a good fit. So which one do you think this man really is, half English + half S.Indian is randomly Brahmin @30 or 50 NW Euro + 50% Chenchu @2 ? Is he more the multi pop fit @2 or the single pop fit @30? It's not complicated, you can do it.

Lol, how are they not distances?


The distance is the measure of how close you are to the reference populations used in any given utility. The smaller the distance, the closer you are to the populations you're being compared to. Optimally, the distance should be in the 1% range; the higher the number, the less you match the population.

You even predicted that she would cluster right next to Bulgarians on your other PCA, yet now she is too foreign for even south Europe? Lol. Those numbers obviously mean distances otherwise they wouldn't be called that by the calculators themselves. I have seen you refer to them as distances in every other scenario, only not when you don't want to accept the fact that you're genetically closer to this girl, even component wise, than you are to most Europeans.


I thought at the beginning you were playing dumb, but now i think you are just stupid indeed so im adjusting and talk to you like an idiot. On a sidenote i swear if someone who develops that kind of logic is anywhere near a science course, the American eduction system must be pretty fucked up. At this point i don't answer for you, but to try to clear things up about how all this works.

Is that why you can't even spell "education"?

Yeah, because in order to be a scientist, you have to know this shit that never matters to anyone at all except for rightists with a political agenda 45% of the time.


Whatever you rantling about makes you feel good, but no they do have the equivalent of an ASE GG grandparent, not them directly but all their ancestors, equally, on average, as they all are around half ASE, so... well they score it accordingly. She s the most distant to West in Europe despite being predominantly West Euro, a pca demonstrate this using her Eurogenes results. She has no reason to be that close to south Euro either she has very little ancestry from there, if any. Not that S.Euro have significant S.Asians anyway.

I'm not going to respond to this stupidity. You originally said someone from the most southern part of India will be closer to Europe than Pashtuns if they're half NW European, and once you were proven to be wrong about that, you are now saying south indian components are as foreign as African components, if not more LOL. Also, if you're going to post PCA plots to prove a point, make sure they look like each other. Your first one looked nothing like this one, and they both look wrong



I don't, but it's not the subject. She has significant ASE but yea probably half what a Pashtun have, yet gypsies also have less than Pashtuns, so it's all relative right.

Yeah, gypsies totally have less ase than Pashtuns, which is why her grandfather depsite being half NW European is genetically isolated and still closest to groups from India out of anyone as a single pop. How is 4% of someone's ancestry even significant? None of the populations in question have significant ASE ancestry, other than gypsies. WHY are pashtuns relevant again? Are you that insecure that MY ethnicity has to come into the thread?

Also yes you do. You mocked me before the crash and were like "you know I scored 1% ASE and thought it was and lot, 10% is so much" or something along the lines off of that.




"West Asia" is not close to N.Europe component, it's the most basal + some Afontova Gora (ANE like), also the closest thing relatively to S.Asian and African at the same time in the components Europeans score. People repeating that haven't read any dstat or fst. That's why southernmost Euro get a lot of it, and lowers significantly in the west and the north, it is also without the ASE that S.Indians do have on top of the CHG/Iran_N, which is obviously a big difference, just like Somali are half basal Eurasian and it is shared to some extent a bit everywhere but Europe has no SSA, except a few isolated cases.

What the fuck? closest to African? It's on a completely different angle than Africans on pca plots. South Europeans aren't shifted towards the west asian component at all, they're shifted towards southwest asians and North Africans, not CHG like west asians, but nice try. They can just be modeled as West Asian + European bronze age in some cases. I have seen dstats plots before, and they only show west eurasians clustering even closer than admixture do.


Maybe another pca? There s an arrow to help.

https://s14.postimg.org/gfeowh5vj/Once_upon_a_time3.png

Thanks, but that is bs. That looks nothing like the first pca you posted (both look wrong anyways, and not like most pca's I've seen), and it is missing a lot of things. It's also a bronze age population map, here is the modern population map.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iptR2rv265s/WAC0xNZscXI/AAAAAAAAE_A/qjsIsFqLuG4EVIn_FjvEAJUDGLwoHT2tACLcB/s450/Global_10_3D_small.png

Admixture calculators are more accurate than PCAs are, anyways. I thought everyone knows that lol.

[Petalpusher]

Lol,

Yes, but South Indians are either half or more than half West Eurasian.

A page ago, if you were reading

K6

Paniya
ANE 24.50
ASE 47.70
E_Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10


K7

Paniya
AG3 21,06
Andamanese 15,82
Basal Eurasian 20,91
Oceanian 10,62
Southeast Asian 29,91
Sub-Saharan 1,68
WHG 0


Where s your "more than half West Eurasian"? Yea, nowhere.

0 WHG in both case, which already tells you everything you need to know.



Lol, how are they not distances?

Well you can verify it then? How can you be at these distances when Punjabi is between Brahmin and Tadjik?

1 Brahmin_UP 27.33
2 Punjabi_Jat 28
3 Tadjik 30.89
4 Pathan 30.89
5 Bangladeshi 31.23
6 Kshatriya 31.31
7 Burusho 31.47
8 Afghan_Pashtun 31.87
9 Gujarati 32.13
10 Afghan_Tadjik 33.16


The answer is you can't. They are matches accuracy (and they are extremely bad) we always refer them as distances to simplify but they are not distances.


What a pca calculates in the R software -or you can do it manually with a great fit- is your point based on the fst of each components scored, their relationship to each other, cause they all have a precise one to each others and that's what defines how everything is arranged on a pca to begin with between the components and the populations.

Yes pca's are the most precise thing you can get even compared to the very best matches. If you were to place a match@10 and believe it's a distance, where do you go from this sample? south, north, west, east? How would you know,.. no, to draw a relevant line and place an intermediate you need two points, right? That's two pop minimum to place a point and see what is really a distance, if you are 75% Euro + 25% S.Asian you are going 25% in the direction of S.Asia, that's quite far from the 75% of the Euro side. You are not the very imperfect match of your 75% Euro.



Ever seen an Oracle in a study? No, never. Studies also use R to make a pca, and various type of fstats, not oracles. The oracle program was made by Dienekes to get a quick overview of one's admix. It's a very decent simple tool, but you need to be able to read it correctly. I guess anyone not completely brain dead should be able to figure the matches at the lowest values are of increasing accuracy and the one to consider, not the worst matches the oracle produce like you do.


You even predicted that she would cluster right next to Bulgarians on your other PCA, yet now she is too foreign for even south Europe? Lol. Those numbers obviously mean distances otherwise they wouldn't be called that by the calculators themselves. I have seen you refer to them as distances in every other scenario, only not when you don't want to accept the fact that you're genetically closer to this girl, even component wise, than you are to most Europeans.

Yes and i was right without even seeing her results. She isn't going into the direction of the Levant like some S.Euro, she s going into the direction of S.Asia, which is very distant even compared to the Levant.

So that's not what you want to use, even to get a quick idea where you are. You are going to use the best matches at least and that's in the case of the grandfather:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chenchu +25% Danish +25% North_Swedish @ 2,648411

It's obviously not with Brahmin, you can see that without calculating anything, it's around the west asia dot, there s just no population here (again no one is half NW Euro half Chenchu in the world, not a legit population at least)

https://s15.postimg.org/czzsxcbwp/K15_V3_NEafrica.jpg






I'm not going to respond to this stupidity. You originally said someone from the most southern part of India will be closer to Europe than Pashtuns if they're half NW European, and once you were proven to be wrong about that, you are now saying south indian components are as foreign as African components, if not more LOL. Also, if you're going to post PCA plots to prove a point, make sure they look like each other. Your first one looked nothing like this one, and they both look wrong

Im right about that as well. He is in the grand scheme of things between the caucasus and Afghan based on fst, closer to Europe than Afghans. Nothing really surprising though he s half NW Euro. Still infinitely with more European admixture than anyone past the Caucasus.

I could go on and on... maybe another time.



Yeah, gypsies totally have less ase than Pashtuns, which is why her grandfather depsite being half NW European is genetically isolated and still closest to groups from India out of anyone as a single pop. How is 4% of someone's ancestry even significant? None of the populations in question have significant ASE ancestry, other than gypsies. WHY are pashtuns relevant again? Are you that insecure that MY ethnicity has to come into the thread?

Also yes you do. You mocked me before the crash and were like "you know I scored 1% ASE and thought it was and lot, 10% is so much" or something along the lines off of that.


No one is gonna believe one more of your pathological lie. Want a reminder of all the socks you've created? including the "Jewish girl" that you had, posting pictures, concerned about her "whiteness" (rollseyes), and all you others socks in agreement. I reckon it's no small feet, you took OWD to a whole new level, managing to make Butlerking to look like an amateur.

[Myanthropologies]

A page ago, if you were reading

K6

Paniya
ANE 24.50
ASE 47.70
E_Asian 17.80
WHG 0.00
Basal 8.90
SSA 1.10


K7

Paniya
AG3 21,06
Andamanese 15,82
Basal Eurasian 20,91
Oceanian 10,62
Southeast Asian 29,91
Sub-Saharan 1,68
WHG 0

Lol, are you really sure you have a "high European iq?" Paniya is NOT an indian population and they are not an indian people, stop being so damn ignorant. The south indian component doesn't even peak in them in most calculators.







Well you can verify it then? How can you be at these distances when Punjabi is between Brahmin and Tadjik?

1 Brahmin_UP 27.33
2 Punjabi_Jat 28
3 Tadjik 30.89
4 Pathan 30.89
5 Bangladeshi 31.23
6 Kshatriya 31.31
7 Burusho 31.47
8 Afghan_Pashtun 31.87
9 Gujarati 32.13
10 Afghan_Tadjik 33.16


The answer is you can't. They are matches accuracy (and they are extremely bad) we always refer them as distances to simplify but they are not distances.

Brahamin_UP has extremely elevated steepe ancestry. South Asian ethnic groups aren't all the same and can vary a lot genetically. That's why they have populations with "A," "B," "C," "D," or "_UP."



What a pca calculates in the R software -or you can do it manually with a great fit- is your point based on the fst of each components scored, their relationship to each other, cause they all have a precise one to each others and that's what defines how everything is arranged on a pca to begin with between the components and the populations.

You can still tell how far they would be from each other on pca's based on the distance they give you on oracles. You're literally the first person I've ever heard claim that pca's are more accurate than admixture calculators, but I'm sure you'll change your mind on that one the next time you're in a debate and an admixture calculator oracle is helping your argument.


Yes pca's are the most precise thing you can get even compared to the very best matches. If you were to place a match@10 and believe it's a distance, where do you go from this sample? south, north, west, east? How would you know,.. no, to draw a relevant line and place an intermediate you need two points, right? That's two pop minimum to place a point and see what is really a distance, if you are 75% Euro + 25% S.Asian you are going 25% in the direction of S.Asia, that's quite far from the 75% of the Euro side. You are not the very imperfect match of your 75% Euro.

What a shitty argument. PCAs are more accurate because admixtures don't tell you if something is east, west, or south? That's not even relevant to the subject at hand here. What is relevant is the distance numbers themselves. If you're going to say pca's are more accurate, at least don't share the pca plots plots you have, because they show completely different things, showing that they are never consistent.




Ever seen an Oracle in a study? No, never. Studies also use R to make a pca, and various type of fstats, not oracles. The oracle program was made by Dienekes to get a quick overview of one's admix. It's a very decent simple tool, but you need to be able to read it correctly. I guess anyone not completely brain dead should be able to figure the matches at the lowest values are of increasing accuracy and the one to consider, not the worst matches the oracle produce like you do.

You always seem to change your argument on what is more accurate and what isn't when it's convenient for you. Apparently admixture calculators have been on studies before, according to you.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?188045-So-why-aren-t-Circassians-Georgians-and-Chechens-considered-Europeans-by-a-lot-of-this-forum/page8

Admixture calculators are exactly the same thing, they are based off fst, just like in studies. Plenty of studies even used the base K13 model for a while. They do weigh components to each others, that's actually the only thing they do, assessing each sample's common genetic drift with the others. The first thing you run for a sample is something like (Yoruba;x,Han) x being the population you test, see which is closer (shares more to be precise), then go further etc..





Yes and i was right without even seeing her results. She isn't going into the direction of the Levant like some S.Euro, she s going into the direction of S.Asia, which is very distant even compared to the Levant.

Goodness gracious, you're still trying to claim you're right, and it shows how arrogant/pretentious you are. You haven't brought anything to the table on this girl except for fart cloud statements and guesses, while I proved actual results. Despite this, you still have the balls to claim you're right. It shows that you gave a very "important Petalpusher, I'm never wrong" attitude. At least I admit when I'm wrong most of the time. Even when I'm being a nuisance for a bit, I give in when I see i have been proven wrong. It doesn't matter if it's different from the Levant, it's still closer to Bulgarians than most Europeans were, and closer to Bulgarians than ashkenazis are to Sicilians and South Italians, according to that pca you showed



So that's not what you want to use, even to get a quick idea where you are. You are going to use the best matches at least and that's in the case of the grandfather:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chenchu +25% Danish +25% North_Swedish @ 2,648411

It's obviously not with Brahmin, you can see that without calculating anything, it's around the west asia dot, there s just no population here (again no one is half NW Euro half Chenchu in the world, not a legit population at least)

https://s15.postimg.org/czzsxcbwp/K15_V3_NEafrica.jpg


Oh look, more bs and that bs pca plot is back. Those aren't even his admixture results, and not even nearly close to what he is, why are you placing this bullshit here? He is genetically closer to South Indians than to Europeans and Pashtuns. He is genetically very far from everyone and in his own zone though. It is not possible to be genetically closer to South indiains and then genetically closer to Europeans than west asians are. It doesn't matter if he's half NW euro. He does not cluster near west asians at all, and his admixture shows that he is nothing like west asiatics at all, yet his own isolate population.






Im right about that as well. He is in the grand scheme of things between the caucasus and Afghan based on fst, closer to Europe than Afghans. Nothing really surprising though he s half NW Euro. Still infinitely with more European admixture than anyone past the Caucasus.


No you're not lol. His admixture showed that he isolates from everyone and that he has 0 affinities with West asiatics. Yeah, someone who is closest to south Indians out of everyone in the world is closer to Europeans than to pashtuns. I guess Europeans are genetically closer to South Indians than they are to pashtuns as well. Afterall, they use to theorize that you're depigmented Dravidians.







No one is gonna believe one more of your pathological lie.
Why do you keep calling me a pathological liar when everything I have said, I've managed to back up? I think it is because of this:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/57/9b/1c/579b1c395d9d7d242659363467ed5c98.jpg

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/15commondefensemechanisms-111204172606-phpapp02/95/15-common-defense-mechanisms-40-728.jpg?cb=1444054142



Want a reminder of all the socks you've created? including the "Jewish girl" that you had, posting pictures, concerned about her "whiteness" (rollseyes), and all you others socks in agreement. I reckon it's no small feet, you took OWD to a whole new level, managing to make Butlerking to look like an amateur.

Excuse me? Now you have to resort to rumor spreading and shit talking like a 13 year old drama queen on her first period? My brother created that account, and he has SKYPED members on this website before. I dont have ever OWD, but you do. It is the reason you are upset that I'm sinking your crashing ship. OWD is a word often used by a lot of Europeans who run out of arguments when they're proven wrong. It's no different than calling people with different opinions names due to lack of an argument.

The fact that you took nearly 4 days to respond to my last post shows how desperate you are to "win" this debate, even if it means throwing a shitty argument off and sugarcoating it to make it look right. You took a random PCA plot from a eurogenes blog that had like 12 different pca's showing the genetic history of South Asia and tried to pass off an early age pca as a modern population one. Are you that much of a sore loser? In order to "shut me down," you have to resort rumor spreading, insulting my intelligence, bringing my ethncity into the conversation when it is not relevant, and steer at something off topic? If you thought your blackmailing was going to scare me and keep me from responding, you're wrong.

What a 19 year american university student you don't know says seems to have a lot of value to you, cause you don't leave me alone. If I am such a "stupid" person with "stupid" debates, how come you keep respending instead of just shutting the fuck up? Seriously, grow up. You're like what, 26?

Go ahead, talk more shit about me. Do I look like I care?


You're the one who took this what should have been funny thread to a different level.

[Petalpusher]

Lol, are you really sure you have a "high European iq?" Paniya is NOT an indian population and they are not an indian people, stop being so damn ignorant. The south indian component doesn't even peak in them in most calculators.


You can't be serious


The Paniya, also known as Paniyar and Paniyan, are an ethnic group of India. They primarily inhabit Kerala, and the Wayanad, Kozhikode, Kannur and Malappuram districts. The Paniya speak the Paniya language, which belongs to the Dravidian family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paniya_people

https://s22.postimg.org/qzbr5wf1d/527px_IN_KL_svg.png

https://s16.postimg.org/pzspryj0z/South_Asia_caste_D_stats.png


Since everything else you wrote is more or less at the same level of ignorance and stupidity, you re right i won't bother anymore. Please believe exactly what suits you the most.

[Squall Leonhart]

She looks Anglo-Indian. lol

[Óttar]

Portuguese speaking Catholic Indians from Goa sometimes call themselves Portuguese and have fully Portuguese names, but they dress and look just like Hindus, they just happen to be Catholic.

[Leto]

Her
North_Atlantic 37.75
Baltic 18.45
West_Med 16.34
South_Asian 9.68
East_Med 7.84
West_Asian 7.15
Red_Sea 0.84
Siberian 0.76
Amerindian 0.65
Oceanian 0.35
Sub-Saharan 0.19
Northeast_African -
East_Asian -

She is only ~10% South Asian and some even argue that this 'South Asian' component is only partially Veddoid/Australoid. Her other components are perfectly European, so yes, she can be easily considered 'white'.

[Profileid]

I like how an Indian person can claim to be portuguese and get away with it.

[Antimage]

lol nevermind.

[Bobby Martnen]

Most Turks I have met in America consider themselves people of color, and often look it too.

That's because they're Islamic. Armenians are usually seen, both by themselves and others, as "ethnic Whites", like Greeks and Italian.

[Heather Duval]

I like how an Indian person can claim to be portuguese and get away with it.

lol

[Didac]

She looks hella indian af influenced for only 12%. 12% of south Asian shouldnt even be able to be phenotypically seen in 99% of cases but she looks foreign af for only 12%

Also her ancestor could never pass as iranian let alone Portuguese. Must have fooled people who thought heavily native south Central American’s are Portuguese

[Danny321]

she really do look like a gipsy (Indian+White). I saw gypsies lighter than her

[Loki]

She looks part Indian to me.

[aherne]

Indian admixture is obvious. She can pass as atypical half-Gypsy, half-Romanian. If she's European looking to you, so is Mortimer!

[Mortimer]

she really do look like a gipsy (Indian+White). I saw gypsies lighter than her

Not every white indian mix is a gypsy, gypsies descendt from a single caste or group and aquired additional admixtures, and went through bottlenecks it said that half of the gypsy population died, then furthermore not every european is the same as another european, gypsies are greek/anatolian, she is english, gypsies have iran in their ethnogenesis.

Gypsy results are very different then her results, Gypsies are barely 30% European if they are not mixed like one non-gypsy parent, and she is 86% English. That makes her cluster very differently. Now maybe she is similar to a gypsy english mix, not always but sometimes.

https://i.ibb.co/VxRBnhm/Melinda23andme.jpg (https://ibb.co/C6g0CX2)
https://i.ibb.co/gdyY1Fn/Melinda23andme-Profile.jpg (https://ibb.co/LrSKwhG)
https://i.ibb.co/MR332FN/Rafael23andme.jpg (https://ibb.co/p3990YX)
https://i.ibb.co/RhrTp1Q/Rafael23andme-Profile.jpg (https://ibb.co/SQYwX2V)

[Mortimer]

Indian admixture is obvious. She can pass as atypical half-Gypsy, half-Romanian. If she's European looking to you, so is Mortimer!

She does look indian for being english mostly and she has such a vibe but only because we know it, she could pass as romanian easy without knowing her ancestry, at least in some videos. I think in some other videos she looked more indian.

[Jana]

She does look Gypsy. Indian ancestry is visible even if it is 1/8

[mashail]

To me she looks Iranian.