Rare deep inland Sicilian GEDmatch result: Caltanissetta.

[Sikeliot]

Likely a good representation of the island in very ancient times. Deep inland there were no Normans, Moors, and very few Greeks.

Highest "East Med" on Eurogenes I have seen for a Euro. Seeing how they compare to Greeks, I take it pre-Greek, pre-Norman Sicily was indeed more Levantine and it is locked deep inland now.

MDLP K23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.50
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.36
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.12
4 Near_East 10.36
5 North_African 7.08
6 South_Central_Asian 6.17
7 Amerindian 1.12


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.903068
2 Sicilian_East @ 3.344452
3 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 4.003632
4 Sicilian_West @ 4.207521
5 Ashkenazi @ 4.447810
6 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 5.079385
7 Romanian_Jew @ 5.204623
8 Sicilian_Trapani @ 5.294787
9 Maltese @ 5.742895
10 Cretan @ 5.845823
11 French_Jew @ 6.123901
12 Italian_South @ 6.446727
13 Sicilian_Center @ 6.554530
14 Greek_Athens @ 7.527205
15 Greek @ 8.199111
16 Italian_Jew @ 8.820833
17 Greek_Phokaia @ 8.853609
18 Turk_Jew @ 8.971910
19 Sephardic_Jew @ 9.094921
20 Central_Greek @ 9.225274

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Sicilian_East @ 2.429622


MDLP World:

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 39.7
2 Middle_East 25.38
3 Caucaus_Parsia 21.35
4 North_and_East_European 10.74
5 Sub_Saharian 1.13
6 Melanesian 0.7
7 Paleo_African 0.56
8 Mesoamerican 0.33
9 Indian 0.06
10 North_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Romania 4.56
2 Greek_Cretan 4.7
3 Sicilian 5.46
4 Greek_East 6.89
5 Jew_France 7.36
6 Jew_Italia 7.43
7 Italian-Center 7.51
8 Ashkenazim 7.53
9 Italian-South 7.96
10 Greek_Center 8.44
11 Sephardim 9.44
12 Greek_South 9.6
13 Greek_North 10.18
14 Ashkenazim_V 10.96
15 Jew_Algeria 11.24
16 Greek_Azov 12.4
17 Jew_Tunisia 12.98
18 Cypriot 12.99
19 Jew_Morocco 13.61
20 Jew_Syria 14.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% Jew_Syria + 38% Italian_North @ 0.86
2 80.2% Greek_East + 19.8% Palestinian @ 0.95
3 63.7% Jew_Syria + 36.3% Provancal @ 0.97
4 76.8% Greek_Center + 23.2% Palestinian @ 1.06
5 58% Druze + 42% Spaniard @ 1.12
6 88.6% Greek_East + 11.4% Saudi @ 1.23
7 68.3% Jew_Syria + 31.7% French @ 1.33
8 53.4% Italian-North + 46.6% Druze @ 1.35
9 52.5% Jew_Georgia + 47.5% Iberian @ 1.36
10 78.9% Italian-Center + 21.1% Palestinian @ 1.37
11 76.4% Italian-Center + 23.6% Syrian @ 1.45
12 78.3% Italian-Center + 21.7% Jordanian @ 1.46
13 64.4% Jew_Syria + 35.6% Swiss @ 1.5
14 50.2% Iberian + 49.8% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.51
15 79.8% Greek_East + 20.2% Jordanian @ 1.54
16 54.3% Ashkenazim_V + 45.7% Cypriot @ 1.54
17 87.7% Greek_East + 12.3% Bedouin @ 1.56
18 78.7% Greek_Center + 21.3% Samaritian @ 1.6
19 56.1% Jew_Syria + 43.9% Italian-North @ 1.61
20 56.5% Druze + 43.5% Iberian @ 1.64


Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.27
2 West_Med 19.12
3 North_Atlantic 15.61
4 West_Asian 12.15
5 Baltic 8.76
6 Red_Sea 4.68
7 East_Asian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.67
10 Northeast_African 0.45
11 Amerindian 0.27
12 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 3.27
2 East_Sicilian 6.35
3 South_Italian 6.35
4 Italian_Jewish 6.64
5 Central_Greek 7.31
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.51
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.53
8 West_Sicilian 8.89
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.92
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.55
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.58
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.09
13 Cyprian 13.44
14 Tuscan 15.15
15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.18
16 Syrian 18.61
17 Samaritan 19.46
18 Lebanese_Druze 19.57
19 Bulgarian 20.28
20 Palestinian 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Ashkenazi + 23.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.68
2 87.6% Ashkenazi + 12.4% Cyprian @ 2.69
3 76.6% Ashkenazi + 23.4% South_Italian @ 2.77
4 81.2% Ashkenazi + 18.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.84
5 94.5% Ashkenazi + 5.5% Armenian @ 2.86
6 92.7% Ashkenazi + 7.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.89
7 94.3% Ashkenazi + 5.7% Assyrian @ 2.93
8 93.6% Ashkenazi + 6.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
9 83.5% Ashkenazi + 16.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.97
10 94.8% Ashkenazi + 5.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.99
11 95.2% Ashkenazi + 4.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
12 93.1% Ashkenazi + 6.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.02
13 95.2% Ashkenazi + 4.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.03
14 97.2% Ashkenazi + 2.8% Abhkasian @ 3.05
15 89.7% Ashkenazi + 10.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.06
16 97.2% Ashkenazi + 2.8% Georgian @ 3.08
17 94.7% Ashkenazi + 5.3% Samaritan @ 3.09
18 97% Ashkenazi + 3% Kurdish @ 3.13
19 95.9% Ashkenazi + 4.1% Turkish @ 3.14
20 93.4% Ashkenazi + 6.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.17


Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.34
2 West_Med 14.83
3 Atlantic 14.36
4 West_Asian 13.63
5 Baltic 6.39
6 North_Sea 5.71
7 Red_Sea 5.17
8 Eastern_Euro 4.07
9 Northeast_African 0.74
10 Southeast_Asian 0.65
11 Sub-Saharan 0.61
12 Oceanian 0.46
13 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6
2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.28
3 Italian_Jewish 6.84
4 Algerian_Jewish 7.25
5 East_Sicilian 7.33
6 Central_Greek 7.36
7 Ashkenazi 8.13
8 West_Sicilian 8.44
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.27
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.5
11 Greek 10.78
12 Cyprian 11.42
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.97
14 Greek_Thessaly 13.26
15 Tuscan 14.89
16 Lebanese_Muslim 14.94
17 Syrian 16.37
18 Turkish 17.8
19 Samaritan 17.89
20 Jordanian 18.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% West_Sicilian + 28.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.61
2 53.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.4% Greek @ 3.61
3 65.5% Greek + 34.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.72
4 58.8% West_Sicilian + 41.2% Cyprian @ 3.77
5 67.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 32.8% Greek @ 3.92
6 71.6% West_Sicilian + 28.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.04
7 65.2% Greek + 34.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
8 63.6% Greek + 36.4% Samaritan @ 4.18
9 51.7% Greek + 48.3% Cyprian @ 4.21
10 74.5% West_Sicilian + 25.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.28
11 63.2% Lebanese_Druze + 36.8% Southwest_French @ 4.29
12 74.3% Cyprian + 25.7% Austrian @ 4.29
13 66.3% West_Sicilian + 33.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.29
14 73.1% Cyprian + 26.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.3
15 80.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 19.7% Bulgarian @ 4.38
16 74.9% West_Sicilian + 25.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.38
17 75.7% Cyprian + 24.3% Southwest_French @ 4.38
18 73.5% Cyprian + 26.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.41
19 65.5% Greek + 34.5% Palestinian @ 4.46
20 58.9% Central_Greek + 41.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.51



Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.61
2 Atlantic_Med 25.17
3 North_European 13.74
4 Southwest_Asian 13.22
5 Gedrosia 6.35
6 Northwest_African 4.29
7 East_African 0.73
8 East_Asian 0.66
9 Sub_Saharan 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 4.72
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 4.87
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.27
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.37
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.21
6 Greek (Dodecad) 8.6
7 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.91
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.18
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.83
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.25
11 Cypriots (Behar) 16.19
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.42
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.72
14 Lebanese (Behar) 19.55
15 Turks (Behar) 20.15
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 21.48
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.95
18 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.32
19 Syrians (Behar) 22.42
20 Druze (HGDP) 22.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 27.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
2 74.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 25.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.8
3 73.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.09
4 87.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.18
5 87.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
6 86.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.19
7 86.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 87.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.24
9 87.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.28
10 94.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 5.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.32
11 88.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
12 89.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.33
13 86.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.34
14 82.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.37
15 93.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.4
16 93.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.4% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.41
17 64% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.44
18 87.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.59
19 90.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 9.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.74
20 62.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.76



PuntDNA-L K12:

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_NF 39.74
2 Caucasus_HG 26.19
3 European_HG 17.06
4 Near_East 13.16
5 Sub-Saharan 1.25
6 East_Asian 0.91
7 Oceanian 0.79
8 Siberian 0.48
9 Amerindian 0.4
10 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew 3.27
2 Sicilian_East 3.29
3 Sicilian_West 3.45
4 Greek 8.06
5 Tuscan 8.48
6 Albanian 9.73
7 Moroccan_Jew 10.49
8 Turkish_Jew 10.56
9 Turkish_Aydin 13.23
10 Bulgarian 14.62
11 Libyan_Jew 14.71
12 Cypriot 14.77
13 Tunisian_Jew 16.39
14 Lebanese 16.58
15 Turkish 17.85
16 Italian_Bergamo 17.96
17 Turkish_Kayseri 18.72
18 Spanish_Canaries 19.18
19 Assyrian 19.77
20 Druze 19.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Sicilian_West + 11.4% Balkar @ 1.14
2 89.3% Sicilian_West + 10.7% Adygei @ 1.19
3 88.5% Sicilian_West + 11.5% Kumyk @ 1.24
4 89.7% Sicilian_West + 10.3% Chechen @ 1.27
5 88.9% Sicilian_West + 11.1% Nogai @ 1.27
6 90.6% Sicilian_West + 9.4% North_Ossetian @ 1.3
7 91.4% Sicilian_West + 8.6% Lezgin @ 1.32
8 80.6% Sicilian_West + 19.4% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.34
9 71.5% Tuscan + 28.5% Palestinian @ 1.38
10 93.5% Sicilian_East + 6.5% Chuvash @ 1.4
11 72.8% Tuscan + 27.2% Jordanian @ 1.46
12 66.4% Tuscan + 33.6% Lebanese @ 1.48
13 70.4% Tuscan + 29.6% Syrian @ 1.5
14 93.5% Sicilian_East + 6.5% Russian @ 1.51
15 92.7% Sicilian_East + 7.3% Mordovian @ 1.52
16 93.8% Sicilian_East + 6.2% Finnish @ 1.62
17 83.8% Sicilian_East + 16.2% Bulgarian @ 1.73
18 94.1% Sicilian_East + 5.9% Estonian @ 1.73
19 94.2% Sicilian_East + 5.8% Lithuanian @ 1.73
20 93.4% Sicilian_East + 6.6% Belarusian @ 1.74


Gedrosia K15:

# Population Percent
1 Caucuses 30.6
2 EEF 26.82
3 SW_Asian 21.43
4 WHG 12.25
5 Burusho 3.33
6 Paniya 1.58
7 E_African 1.55
8 SE_Asian 1.45
9 Balochi 0.51
10 W_African 0.32
11 Kalash 0.11
12 E_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 7.02
2 Ashkenazi_Jew 7.51
3 Greek 12.33
4 Turkish 14.12
5 Cypriot 15.31
6 Albanian 15.5
7 Assyrian 21.99
8 Lebanese 22.05
9 Bergamo 23.8
10 Kurd_N 23.94
11 Bulgarian 24.22
12 Armenian 24.23
13 Iraqi_Jew 24.43
14 Georgian_Jew 25.01
15 Iranian_Jew 25.2
16 Iranian 25.56
17 Jordanian 26.28
18 Kurd_C 27.3
19 Syrian 29.1
20 Spanish 30.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.3% Sicilian + 20.7% Armenian @ 3.13
2 88.7% Ashkenazi_Jew + 11.3% Georgian @ 3.69
3 81% Sicilian + 19% Georgian_Jew @ 3.94
4 88.8% Ashkenazi_Jew + 11.2% Abkhasian @ 3.95
5 79.7% Sicilian + 20.3% Assyrian @ 4.4
6 82.2% Sicilian + 17.8% Iranian_Jew @ 4.52
7 71.6% Sicilian + 28.4% Turkish @ 4.59
8 90.6% Sicilian + 9.4% Georgian @ 4.59
9 90.5% Sicilian + 9.5% Abkhasian @ 4.62
10 86.7% Ashkenazi_Jew + 13.3% Balkar @ 4.68
11 87.8% Ashkenazi_Jew + 12.2% Adygei @ 4.68
12 82.1% Sicilian + 17.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.7
13 80.3% Ashkenazi_Jew + 19.7% Armenian @ 4.71
14 82.5% Sicilian + 17.5% Kurd_N @ 4.94
15 50.4% Cypriot + 49.6% Albanian @ 4.96
16 51.3% Bergamo + 48.7% Georgian_Jew @ 5.01
17 56.2% Greek + 43.8% Cypriot @ 5.04
18 87.6% Ashkenazi_Jew + 12.4% Chechen @ 5.06
19 59.4% Albanian + 40.6% Assyrian @ 5.11
20 75.2% Sicilian + 24.8% Cypriot @ 5.16


HarappaWorld:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.5
2 Mediterranean 25.72
3 NE-Euro 14.89
4 SW-Asian 13.88
5 Baloch 8.09
6 W-African 0.65
7 NE-Asian 0.61
8 Papuan 0.55
9 American 0.48
10 E-African 0.37
11 San 0.25
12 SE-Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 2.66
2 ashkenazi (harappa) 5.22
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 7.1
4 morocco-jew (behar) 8.91
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 12.82
6 tuscan (hgdp) 13.41
7 tuscan (hapmap) 14.06
8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 14.78
9 cypriot (behar) 16.87
10 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 19.66
11 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 19.69
12 lebanese (behar) 19.79
13 turk (behar) 21.2
14 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 21.45
15 italian (hgdp) 21.7
16 turkish (harappa) 21.76
17 lebanese-muslim (haber) 22.27
18 syrian (behar) 22.41
19 romanian-a (behar) 22.57
20 palestinian (harappa) 22.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% italian (hgdp) + 46.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.52
2 60.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 39.2% lebanese (behar) @ 1.86
3 53.3% italian (hgdp) + 46.7% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2.16
4 63.7% tuscan (hapmap) + 36.3% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.16
5 96.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 3.7% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.28
6 61.5% tuscan (hapmap) + 38.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.33
7 56.7% lebanese-druze (haber) + 43.3% spaniard (behar) @ 2.38
8 66% tuscan (1000genomes) + 34% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.38
9 61.7% tuscan (hapmap) + 38.3% syrian (behar) @ 2.42
10 97.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 2.2% basque (hgdp) @ 2.45
11 97.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 2.2% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.46
12 63.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 36.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.48
13 57% lebanese-christian (haber) + 43% spaniard (behar) @ 2.5
14 93.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.52
15 97.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 2.5% puerto-rican (1000genomes) @ 2.53
16 77.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 22.8% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.54
17 97.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 2.4% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.54
18 50.7% italian (hgdp) + 49.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.54
19 63.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 36.1% syrian (behar) @ 2.54
20 96.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 3.4% italian (hgdp) @ 2.56

[Sikeliot]

What do people think of this?

[Nurzat]

I suspect inland Calabrese (Sila Mountains and Aspromonte) are even more Levantine and Greek, if not exclusively. I've been there a lot

[Poise n Pen]

Probably nothing to do with very ancient sicily, romans had loads of jewish slaves and immigrants.

[Sikeliot]

I suspect inland Calabrese (Sila Mountains and Aspromonte) are even more Levantine and Greek, if not exclusively. I've been there a lot

I am unsure what you mean because if you look at the result, this person shifts away from Greece, toward Cyprus. People in Calabria would, too.

If this person comes up as a mixture of Greek and Levantine, they cannot simultaneously be more of both.. one of them would have to give. Which? My guess is Calabria is even more Levantine, and further from Greeks than this person.

[Sikeliot]

Probably nothing to do with very ancient sicily, romans had loads of jewish slaves and immigrants.

Not very far inland like this.

[Myanthropologies]

Why do we not have any results from Calabria or Malta?

[Sikeliot]

Why do we not have any results from Calabria or Malta?

I've posted both. Calabria is more or less like Cyprus with a small amount more WHG, while Malta is like the south coast of Sicily with 1-2% more North African.

[Poise n Pen]

how old is the sample?

If it is modern it means nothing. I am sure people moved inland in times of crisis, like when rome fell and when moors came.

[Sikeliot]

how old is the sample?

If it is modern it means nothing. I am sure people moved inland in times of crisis, like when rome fell and when moors came.

They did move inland. But the inland was always populated by people who either moved from the coast to escape invading groups, or people who were relatively genetically unmixed. Thus you will not find any Norman ancestry there, nor much Greek nor anything else unlike on various parts of the coast.

[Sikeliot]

how old is the sample?

If it is modern it means nothing. I am sure people moved inland in times of crisis, like when rome fell and when moors came.

I forgot to answer. This is a living person.

[crazyladybutterfly]

the first arent so weird , the rest is highly weird...

i am talking about :

- Least-squares method.

[crazyladybutterfly]

why do some calculators see you as more or less levantine? I feel like i cant trust any of this

[Sikeliot]

why do some calculators see you as more or less levantine? I feel like i cant trust any of this

I am unsure. Depends on the components.

Anyway what I also notice is people in Messina are similar to this too. I suspect there is a whole belt from Messina/Catania through part of Enna and Caltanissetta where admixture with foreigners (Greeks, Normans, Lombards, etc) has been minimal and these people will come up more Levantine.

[Percivalle]

why do some calculators see you as more or less levantine? I feel like i cant trust any of this

Each calculator uses different criteria and sample. So of course every result changes. Not to mention that all calculators are not peer reviewed, calculators are amateur stuff.

[Sikeliot]

Each calculator uses different criteria and sample. So of course every result changes. Not to mention that all computers are not peer reviewed rather calculators are amateur stuff.

From the results something I gathered is that this person is 1/4 of the way between Sicily and Cyprus, and halfway between Greece and Cyprus. therefore, we can conclude Sicilians on average SHOULD be 1/4 of the way to Cyprus, when beginning in Greece.

[Percivalle]

From the results something I gathered is that this person is 1/4 of the way between Sicily and Cyprus, and halfway between Greece and Cyprus. therefore, we can conclude Sicilians on average SHOULD be 1/4 of the way to Cyprus, when beginning in Greece.

Whatever, but "we can conclude" if based on this sample of a living person, of which we do not know the entire background, is more your own opinion than a scientific conclusion.

[Sikeliot]

Whatever, but "we can conclude" if based on this sample of a living person, of which we do not know the entire background, is more your own opinion than a scientific conclusion.

I have communicated with the individual and know them to be from Caltanissetta (or rather, both parents are). That much is confirmed.

[Percivalle]

I have communicated with the individual and know them to be from Caltanissetta (or rather, both parents are). That much is confirmed.

Assuming this is correct, he/she is still "one person" with "rare GedMatch results" (as you claim in the title of this thread) and the assumption is based on amateur calculators rather than on a scientific method. I'm not even criticizing the content of your conclusion, I'm just saying it remains an opinion rather than a scientific conclusion.

However two parents born in Caltanissetta means little, since the pre-Roman times to the present there are more of 60/70 generations.

I have the family tree of my father's line until the end of 1400, and we found many details that we did not know before.

[Sikeliot]

Assuming this is correct, he/she is still "one person" with "rare GedMatch results" (as you claim in the title of this thread) and the assumption is based on amateur calculators rather than on a scientific method. I'm not even criticizing the content of your conclusion, I'm just saying it remains an opinion rather than a scientific conclusion.

However two parents born in Caltanissetta means little, since the pre-Roman times to the present there are more of 60/70 generations.

I have the family tree of my father's line until the end of 1400, and we found many details that we did not know before.

Other people from Caltanissetta have been similar (coming up on many calculators as significantly shifted toward Cyprus). Same with people in Messina and part of Calabria. I attribute it to a near absence of any Norman input or mainland Greek.

[Tacitus]

Probably nothing to do with very ancient sicily, romans had loads of jewish slaves and immigrants.

Doubt it, genetic studies show Italian genes haven't changed for at least 2500 YBP.

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555



There is relatively little common ancestry shared between the Italian peninsula and other locations, and what there is seems to derive mostly from longer ago than 2,500 ya. An exception is that Italy and the neighboring Balkan populations share small but significant numbers of common ancestors in the last 1,500 years, as seen in Figures S16 and S17S17. The rate of genetic common ancestry between pairs of Italian individuals seems to have been fairly constant for the past 2,500 years, which combined with significant structure within Italy suggests a constant exchange of migrants between coherent subpopulations.



Assuming this is correct, he/she is still "one person" with "rare GedMatch results" (as you claim in the title of this thread) and the assumption is based on amateur calculators rather than on a scientific method. I'm not even criticizing the content of your conclusion, I'm just saying it remains an opinion rather than a scientific conclusion.

It's an "n=1 fallacy." What I mean is, taking just one sample and coming up with a broad conclusion based solely on that one sample. For example, it's like saying that when there is a train accident that kills several people it's concluded that train travel is unsafe, not accounting for the millions of train rides that result in zero fatalities. (I'm not disputing the results either).

And for those who don't understand, when Sikeliot says "Levantine" it refers to Neolithic and Bronze Age migrations from the Eastern Mediterranean, which can be seen in Sarno et al.

[Sikeliot]

And for those who don't understand, when Sikeliot says "Levantine" it refers to Neolithic and Bronze Age migrations from the Eastern Mediterranean, which can be seen in Sarno et al.

When I say Levantine I mean Natufian (Neolithic Levant) or Neolithic Anatolian/Caucasian input, the same waves of migration that populated places like Crete and Cyprus. I am suggesting that the inland part of Sicily, as well as Messina and Calabria, best preserve this genetic character, while other parts of Sicily (i.e. Trapani/northwest or Ragusa/Syracuse/the "Greek" part of Sicily) have been diluted somewhat.

[Petalpusher]

He's inside the Sicilian/Ashkenazi/Jewish triangle, so more like S.Italy or Ashkenazi than Sicily but not a crazy outlier.

https://s21.postimg.org/7co04w8r9/K15_V3_calt.jpg

[Sikeliot]

He's inside the Sicilian/Ashkenazi/Jewish triangle, so more like S.Italy or Ashkenazi than Sicily but not a crazy outlier.

https://s21.postimg.org/7co04w8r9/K15_V3_calt.jpg

On the map it reflects his scores.. basically if he was 3/4 "Central Greek" and 1/4 Lebanese or something.

[Petalpusher]

On the map it reflects his scores.. basically if he was 3/4 "Central Greek" and 1/4 Lebanese or something.

He can even be modeled as :

2 53.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.4% Greek @ 3.61
9 51.7% Greek + 48.3% Cyprian @ 4.21

A point between Cyprian and Tunisian_Jewish + 50ish Greek would produce the best match, but this population doesn't exist or a specific region that would be like that isn't sampled. On the pca it's the best possible point, theorically "@0.00 "

[Sikeliot]

He can even be modeled as :

2 53.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.4% Greek @ 3.61
9 51.7% Greek + 48.3% Cyprian @ 4.21

A point between Cyprian and Tunisian_Jewish + 50ish Greek would produce the best match, but this population doesn't exist or a specific region that would be like that isn't sampled. On the pca it's the best possible point, theorically "@0.00 "

So would you say he is significantly more MENA than most Sicilians, or just slightly?

I think most Sicilians will fill the gap between Greece and Cyprus.

[Petalpusher]

So would you say he is significantly more MENA than most Sicilians, or just slightly?

I think most Sicilians will fill the gap between Greece and Cyprus.

Only compared to Greeks. For Sicily he is more shifted to the caucasus. But what seems to be a big gap with the average, in south europe that kind of distance is not that far. There s probably the level of variability of 2-3 close big countries of central europe in an island like Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Only compared to Greeks.

Do you mean that this person's shift away from Greece and toward Cyprus makes them look more MENA than they really are, but they are still within the Sicily cluster, just less Greek like than most Sicilians?

I suspect inland Sicily is indeed more Caucasus shifted.

[Petalpusher]

Do you mean that this person's shift away from Greece and toward Cyprus makes them look more MENA than they really are, but they are still within the Sicily cluster, just less Greek like than most Sicilians?

I suspect inland Sicily is indeed more Caucasus shifted.

Greece + Cyprus is just a fit, he s most certainly not that. You can't really compare Sicilians to Greeks even if they may have common substrat, but comparing to other Sicilians, he is just more "west asian" and only marginally more "Levant", going east makes you slightly closer to it but he isn't going straight southeast. If im not mistaken on the pca i made with K6 there was a couple of "Calt" at the tail of the cluster with S.Italians so maybe the region is like that.

[Sikeliot]

Greece + Cyprus is just a fit, he s most certainly not that. You can't really compare Sicilians to Greeks even if they may have common substrat, but comparing to other Sicilians, he is just more "west asian" and only marginally more "Levant", going east makes you slightly closer to it but he isn't going straight southeast. If im not mistaken on the pca i made with K6 there was a couple of "Calt" at the tail of the cluster with S.Italians so maybe the region is like that.

What is the difference between Sicilian and Greek when you figure in the Aegean islanders (who should be spanning the Sicilian spectrum)? Certainly compared to mainlanders, all Sicilians are more Levantine shifted but I've seen a few results from the southeast of the island who are close to Peloponnesians.

Caltanissetta and Messina/Catania, and probably Enna too, will be like Calabria and drifting toward Cyprus. Palermitans do not shift that way, but rather go in the direction of North African Jews occasionally.

[Sikeliot]

here is this person's result on Gedrosia K6.

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 52.01
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.63
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.8
4 East_Asian 1.32
5 Sub_Saharan 0.82
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_South 2.86
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 3.31
3 Sicilian 4.5
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.76
5 Jew_Libyan 6.65
6 Jew_Tunisian 6.77
7 Greek 7.29
8 Albanian 8.74
9 Cypriot 8.8
10 Armenia_ChL 10.06
11 Turkish 12.86
12 Druze 13.33
13 Lebanese 13.58
14 Bulgarian 13.63
15 Jordanian 15.04
16 Palestinian 15.06
17 Syrian 15.07
18 Romanian 15.37
19 Saudi 16.86
20 BedouinA 17.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Cypriot + 25.2% Basque @ 0.64
2 51.3% Lezgin + 48.7% Anatolia_N @ 1.01
3 86.8% Italian_South + 13.2% Levant_BA @ 1.07
4 68.6% Cypriot + 31.4% Spanish @ 1.12
5 53.6% Chechen + 46.4% Anatolia_N @ 1.2
6 95.8% Italian_South + 4.2% Levant_N @ 1.23
7 95.8% Italian_South + 4.2% Natufian @ 1.23
8 70.8% Greek + 29.2% Levant_BA @ 1.34
9 66.9% Albanian + 33.1% Levant_BA @ 1.55
10 87.6% Italian_South + 12.4% Saudi @ 1.59
11 88.1% Italian_South + 11.9% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.59
12 78.6% Italian_South + 21.4% Cypriot @ 1.63
13 51.7% Assyrian + 48.3% Sardinian @ 1.68
14 56% Adygei + 44% Anatolia_N @ 1.7
15 53.2% Romanian + 46.8% Levant_BA @ 1.71
16 50.8% Georgian + 49.2% Sardinian @ 1.72
17 55.2% Kumyk + 44.8% Anatolia_N @ 1.73
18 50.2% Albanian + 49.8% Cypriot @ 1.73
19 74.3% Italian_South + 25.7% Jew_Tunisian @ 1.75
20 91.4% Cypriot + 8.6% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.78

[Sikeliot]

And this was one of the other Caltanissetta results.

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.3% Balkar @ 1.2
2 92.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.2% Adygei @ 1.27
3 90.5% Jew_Ashkenazi + 9.5% Turkish @ 1.28
4 93.1% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.9% Kumyk @ 1.3
5 57.6% Romanian + 42.4% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.3
6 94.2% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.8% Lezgin @ 1.32
7 93.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.3% Chechen @ 1.33
8 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% MA1 @ 1.34
9 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG2 @ 1.34
10 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG3 @ 1.34
11 84% Sicilian + 16% Lebanese @ 1.35
12 94.3% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.7% Azeri @ 1.36
13 64.9% Albanian + 35.1% Lebanese @ 1.39
14 85% Sicilian + 15% Syrian @ 1.41
15 98.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.3% EHG @ 1.43
16 85.1% Sicilian + 14.9% Jordanian @ 1.43
17 67.1% Albanian + 32.9% Palestinian @ 1.43
18 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Tajik @ 1.46
19 54.4% Greek + 45.6% Jew_Tunisian @ 1.46
20 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Iran_N @ 1.47

[Bobby Martnen]

This is Interesting Sikeliot - thanks for posting this

Just curious, what do you consider inland?

[crazyladybutterfly]

lol how do you find all these dna results from fucking sicily? there have been probably 4 testers at most from that region and they must be all from italicr.

[kingjohn]

very close to western jews
my total similarity is always
Sicily or south Italy , or Crete if you saw the results
of some gedmatch calculators i shared
i thing is the combination of Levant snp+ southern european snp creat that
and there is substantial overlap in genetic markers .

[Sikeliot]

very close to western jews
my total similarity is always
Sicily or south Italy , or Crete if you saw the results
of some gedmatch calculators i shared
i thing is the combination of Levant snp+ southern european snp creat that
and there is substantial overlap in genetic markers .

Yes, that is exactly why.

[Smitty]

However two parents born in Caltanissetta means little, since the pre-Roman times to the present there are more of 60/70 generations.

I have the family tree of my father's line until the end of 1400, and we found many details that we did not know before.

Are you referring to internal migrations? I've always heard that people generally stayed in the same area for hundreds of years. However, I've not been able to do genealogical research in Europe yet, so I'm curious what you mean by that.

[Sp_loa]

I really wonder why "European Jews"(Sephardi and Ashkenazi) are so similar to southern Italians and Sicilians. Is it because they both posses Levantine and European DNA?
If so why the phenotype of both groups is sometimes extremely different?

Did sicilians actually mixed with jews (and the opposite)? Cause I know the Jews arrived to central/northern Italy after the diaspora from Judea.

Gedmatch usually give me Southern Italian as a closer match than Sicilian , but I guess it's almost the same.

[Leto]

Likely a good representation of the island in very ancient times. Deep inland there were no Normans, Moors, and very few Greeks.

Highest "East Med" on Eurogenes I have seen for a Euro. Seeing how they compare to Greeks, I take it pre-Greek, pre-Norman Sicily was indeed more Levantine and it is locked deep inland now.

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Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.27
2 West_Med 19.12
3 North_Atlantic 15.61
4 West_Asian 12.15
5 Baltic 8.76
6 Red_Sea 4.68
7 East_Asian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.67
10 Northeast_African 0.45
11 Amerindian 0.27
12 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 3.27
2 East_Sicilian 6.35
3 South_Italian 6.35
4 Italian_Jewish 6.64
5 Central_Greek 7.31
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.51
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.53
8 West_Sicilian 8.89
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.92
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.55
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.58
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.09
13 Cyprian 13.44
14 Tuscan 15.15
15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.18
16 Syrian 18.61
17 Samaritan 19.46
18 Lebanese_Druze 19.57
19 Bulgarian 20.28
20 Palestinian 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Ashkenazi + 23.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.68
2 87.6% Ashkenazi + 12.4% Cyprian @ 2.69
3 76.6% Ashkenazi + 23.4% South_Italian @ 2.77
4 81.2% Ashkenazi + 18.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.84
5 94.5% Ashkenazi + 5.5% Armenian @ 2.86
6 92.7% Ashkenazi + 7.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.89
7 94.3% Ashkenazi + 5.7% Assyrian @ 2.93
8 93.6% Ashkenazi + 6.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.97
9 83.5% Ashkenazi + 16.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.97
10 94.8% Ashkenazi + 5.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.99
11 95.2% Ashkenazi + 4.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 3
12 93.1% Ashkenazi + 6.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.02
13 95.2% Ashkenazi + 4.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.03
14 97.2% Ashkenazi + 2.8% Abhkasian @ 3.05
15 89.7% Ashkenazi + 10.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.06
16 97.2% Ashkenazi + 2.8% Georgian @ 3.08
17 94.7% Ashkenazi + 5.3% Samaritan @ 3.09
18 97% Ashkenazi + 3% Kurdish @ 3.13
19 95.9% Ashkenazi + 4.1% Turkish @ 3.14
20 93.4% Ashkenazi + 6.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.17


Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.34
2 West_Med 14.83
3 Atlantic 14.36
4 West_Asian 13.63
5 Baltic 6.39
6 North_Sea 5.71
7 Red_Sea 5.17
8 Eastern_Euro 4.07
9 Northeast_African 0.74
10 Southeast_Asian 0.65
11 Sub-Saharan 0.61
12 Oceanian 0.46
13 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 6
2 Sephardic_Jewish 6.28
3 Italian_Jewish 6.84
4 Algerian_Jewish 7.25
5 East_Sicilian 7.33
6 Central_Greek 7.36
7 Ashkenazi 8.13
8 West_Sicilian 8.44
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.27
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.5
11 Greek 10.78
12 Cyprian 11.42
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.97
14 Greek_Thessaly 13.26
15 Tuscan 14.89
16 Lebanese_Muslim 14.94
17 Syrian 16.37
18 Turkish 17.8
19 Samaritan 17.89
20 Jordanian 18.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% West_Sicilian + 28.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.61
2 53.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.4% Greek @ 3.61
3 65.5% Greek + 34.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.72
4 58.8% West_Sicilian + 41.2% Cyprian @ 3.77
5 67.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 32.8% Greek @ 3.92
6 71.6% West_Sicilian + 28.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.04
7 65.2% Greek + 34.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
8 63.6% Greek + 36.4% Samaritan @ 4.18
9 51.7% Greek + 48.3% Cyprian @ 4.21
10 74.5% West_Sicilian + 25.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.28
11 63.2% Lebanese_Druze + 36.8% Southwest_French @ 4.29
12 74.3% Cyprian + 25.7% Austrian @ 4.29
13 66.3% West_Sicilian + 33.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.29
14 73.1% Cyprian + 26.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.3
15 80.3% Sephardic_Jewish + 19.7% Bulgarian @ 4.38
16 74.9% West_Sicilian + 25.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.38
17 75.7% Cyprian + 24.3% Southwest_French @ 4.38
18 73.5% Cyprian + 26.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.41
19 65.5% Greek + 34.5% Palestinian @ 4.46
20 58.9% Central_Greek + 41.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.51



Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.61
2 Atlantic_Med 25.17
3 North_European 13.74
4 Southwest_Asian 13.22
5 Gedrosia 6.35
6 Northwest_African 4.29
7 East_African 0.73
8 East_Asian 0.66
9 Sub_Saharan 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 4.72
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 4.87
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.27
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.37
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.21
6 Greek (Dodecad) 8.6
7 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.91
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.18
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.83
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.25
11 Cypriots (Behar) 16.19
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.42
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.72
14 Lebanese (Behar) 19.55
15 Turks (Behar) 20.15
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 21.48
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.95
18 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.32
19 Syrians (Behar) 22.42
20 Druze (HGDP) 22.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 27.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
2 74.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 25.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.8
3 73.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.09
4 87.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.18
5 87.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
6 86.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.19
7 86.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 87.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.24
9 87.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.28
10 94.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 5.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.32
11 88.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
12 89.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.33
13 86.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 13.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.34
14 82.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.37
15 93.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.4
16 93.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.4% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.41
17 64% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.44
18 87.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 12.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.59
19 90.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 9.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.74
20 62.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.76

A very rare specimen. But his North European is not lower than average.

2 West_Med 19.12
3 North_Atlantic 15.61
5 Baltic 8.76

2 Atlantic_Med 25.17
3 North_European 13.74