Discussion on Czechs

[Ülev]

Why are you asking?

"we" want Greater Russia, lol and as you see, Slovaks have m-558, Czechs only 4%, rest is m-458

[Magnolia]

Nobody forbids Czechs to start their own research, follow our example. :p .
It's not important for us.
It would be enough if you exclude us from your studies :-).

[Peterski]

It's not important for us.
It would be enough if you exclude us from your studies :-).

Well, at least you are trying to find ancient DNA of vampires, which is also cool: :)

http://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/complex-analysis-of-700yearold-skeletal-remains-found-in-an-unusualgravecase-report-2332-0915-1000138.pdf


Discussion

The main goal of the present study was to apply different scientific
techniques to confirm or reject theories about the unusual burial
pattern of the excavated male skeleton, and we primarily investigated
the “Vampire” and “Jewish” theories.

Throughout history, death has often been a surprisingly extended
process. During this process, the central entity was the soul rather than
the body. At the same time, the soul itself could often behave like a
body, and vampires inhabited a curious space between the living and
the dead [51-61].

The practice of burying the dead face down has occurred across
time and societies, and the earliest known case of such a burial
(26,000 years ago) was found in the Czech Republic [52]. Frequent
and repeated discoveries of skeletal remains with evidence of antivampiric
remedies indicate that the belief in vampires was widespread
throughout the medieval Czech territory. In excavated cemeteries,
some burials exhibit traces of anti-vampiric measures (including burial
in a face down position) to keep vampires from returning to the world
of the living [53]. In 1966, an unusual concentration of such graves,
where fourteen adult corpses were buried, was discovered in the city
of Čelákovice, which is located a few kilometers from Prague [54].
(...)

[Magnolia]

Well, at least you are trying to find ancient DNA of vampires, which is also cool: :)

http://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/complex-analysis-of-700yearold-skeletal-remains-found-in-an-unusualgravecase-report-2332-0915-1000138.pdf
Yes, we have sense of humor.

[Robocop]

Well, at least you are trying to find ancient DNA of vampires, which is also cool: :)


Ok I have to admit ppl, I am IN FACT A VAMPIRE.

For 556 years now, moving from France to Ukraine, from Greece to Scandinavia, now I ended up in Croatia, and I have to say, it sucks today... you cannot suck blood trough forum.

Nevermind are you Slavic, Romance, Germanic... you're all nothin but good sandwich to me.

But Germanic and Slavic blood taste the best, have to admit.

[Magnolia]

Maybe I should clarify why I said this:
I have no sympathies to re-settlers. They're bunch of losers.
WW2 ended more than 70 years ago but people who came here after the expulsion of Sudeten Germans are not "assimilated" yet.
The former prosperous region is currently backward (North/East Bohemia).
There is still a statistical significant difference between the former Sudetenland and other parts of the CzechR:
GDP per capita by region:
https://www.czso.cz/documents/10180/28532303/235529329.gif/06d901d3-4163-45b7-886d-73f4c211a4f2?version=1.0&t=1454503162257
Regional unemployment rate:
http://www.profesa.cz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nezam%C4%9Bstnanost-9-2012.jpg
Social benefits by region:
https://www.czso.cz/documents/10180/20556219/130411m09.jpg/72577042-395b-4c9d-aee9-374bef200ce6?version=1.0&t=1418288609242
High school education rankings by region:
https://www.czso.cz/documents/10180/23217204/40494483.jpg/f7462a8a-1958-416c-9249-9b91730b977f?version=1.0&t=1418382689396
The map of criminality according to the Czech police:
http://1gr.cz/fotky/idnes/13/113/cl6/JB4f7c4e_001.jpg
etc. etc.

[Peterski]

My appeal to all biased or prejudiced people:

You can call me 100% Eskimo, 100% Negrito or 100% anything. I wouldn't care because I still know, that I'm 100% myself.

I am not sure why some people care so much about it.

As if telling yourself - without having any actual evidence - that you are "this or that", will make you a better person? Words don't change anything.

You are who you are - no matter how you call it.

I tested my genetic ancestry out of sheer curiosity, not in order to either confirm or reject some preconceived notions.

But my advise is - if you really want to know, test your DNA instead of telling nice, but usually false, shit to yourself based on no or little evidence.

And I'm really tired of this inter-European tribalism or "who is Whiter" etc. thingy. Europe needs unity not stupid tribal quarrels.

[Peterski]

Polish people have something foreign inscribed in their faces.

Just don't get too depressed in case if one day you find out that you are 2% Volhynian, ok?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67AodOb1e4

[Magnolia]

So what are you waiting for, to gas chambers with them.

Just don't get too depressed if one day you find out that you are 2% Romanian:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67AodOb1e4

Why? I like human diversity. I still don't understand why so many Poles get mad when someone says that Czechs and Poles aren't the same people. There is nothing special about us....

edit: you have changed your post, hm...

...I'm neither Romanian nor Volhynian ;-).

[Peterski]

Why? I like human diversity.

LOL. Even ethnic Czechs from Volhynia were "too diverse" for you.


I still don't understand why so many Poles get mad when someone says that Czechs and Poles aren't the same people.

No we aren't the same people. I didn't get mad over this claim.

I did not like some other rubbish claims unsupported by evidence.

And if you want to argue "who is who", then test your DNA like I did.

Then we can compare our admixtures or similarity to different populations.

[Peterski]

Also Czechs like to claim that Silesians are more genetically similar to them than to Poles.

So let's see the results in calculator puntDNAL K15:

1) Western Pole from Wielkopolska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland) (me):

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 2.06
2 Swedish 4.03
3 Norwegian 6.35
4 North_German 6.79
5 Belarusian 7.58
6 Slovenian 7.94

2) Native Upper Silesian:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 3.04
2 Swedish 3.52
3 Norwegian 5.7
4 North_German 5.86
5 Slovenian 7.09
6 Scottish 7.37

3) Native Kashubian:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 3.13
2 Belarusian 4.37
3 Russian 6.42
4 Swedish 6.54
5 Mordovian 6.86
6 Karelian 7.45

4) North-Eastern Pole (from pre-1939 North-Eastern Poland, now Lithuania-Belarus):

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belarusian 3.01
2 Lithuanian 5.68
3 Polish 6.15
4 Mordovian 6.51
5 Russian 6.6
6 Karelian 7.45

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As you can see - this claim is wrong. Silesians are genetically Polish, not Czech (this calculator also has Czechs as a reference population, it just did not show up among top 6 results, because these people are not very similar to Czechs). Upper Silesians also have ~60% of R1a, just like Sorbs and Poles, more than Czechs.

"Czecho-Slovak genetics" starts to the south of the Sudetes-Carpathians.

To the north of the Sudetes-Carpathians is "Lechitic genetics" (Poles, Sorbs, etc.).

Sorbs and Silesians are more genetically similar to Poles than to Czechs.

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If we test Ewa Farna and Poles from Teschen, I bet they will also cluster with Poles, not Czechs.

[Magnolia]

LOL. Even ethnic Czechs from Volhynia were "too diverse" for you..
I didn't say that it was a bad thing.
I said that they were mixed with Ukrainians....

[Magnolia]

Or just show some DNA results of other Czech people. Typical Czech people.
Why?

[Magnolia]

Also Czechs like to claim that Silesians are more genetically similar to them than to Poles.
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As you can see - wrong.

Silesians are genetically Polish, not Czech (this calculator also has Czechs as a reference population, it just did not show up). Upper Silesians also have ~60% of R1a, just like Sorbs and Poles, but more than Czechs.

Really? I have never heard that someone would say "Silesians are more genetically similar to us than to Poles" or something like that.

Let me remind what I said earlier in this thread:

Mikula, remember that you're from Silesia. You're closer to Poles than to Bohemians and you're partly Polish. It's quite obvious that they look familiar to you ;-).

[Peterski]

Why?

Well because I haven't seen any Czech results so far, so I'm curious.

[Peterski]

I didn't say that it was a bad thing.
I said that they were mixed with Ukrainians....

OK but don't be so prejudiced against Ukrainians.

They aren't bad people. I see many Ukrainians here everyday (you have probably heard that over a million Ukrainians came to Poland since 2014) and they really don't cause any problems.

You would rather have Ukrainians than "moderate" Muslims as immigrants, trust me.

[Robocop]

OK but don't be so prejudiced against Ukrainians.

They aren't bad people. I see many Ukrainians here everyday (you have probably heard that well over a million Ukrainians came to Poland since 2014) and they don't cause any problems.


:thumb001: It's not Ukrainian fault that Russia after Soviet union fell apart made a shit-hole country out of them till this day.

[Magnolia]

Well because I haven't seen any Czech results so far, so I'm curious.
Again it has a simple explanation - IMO Czechs aren't interested in it.

[Peterski]

Here is my result in DNA.Land, so I wonder how Czechs score in this:

http://i.imgur.com/r1MI4Kn.png

[Bobby3]

Here is my result in DNA.Land, so I wonder how Czechs score in this:

http://i.imgur.com/r1MI4Kn.png

Czechs have some german filth on and in them.

[Peterski]

This is Austrian guy from Lavanttal, of Koroških descent, for comparison:

http://s21.postimg.org/85gxajk9z/Austrian.png

^ Actually, that DNA.Land ancestry report is Noricum from our forum:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?187622-Post-your-DNA-Land-ancestry-composion-results&p=3889003&viewfull=1#post3889003

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?188883-New-PuntDNAL-K15-calculator-post-your-results!&p=3927768&viewfull=1#post3927768

[Peterski]

Native Upper Silesian guy scores in DNA.Land:

54% North Slavic
27% Northwest European
19% South European

And user "Noricum" from Austria:

49% North Slavic
25% Northwest European
24% South European ("Sardinian" included)
2% Ambiguous

Compared to my score:

55% North Slavic
36% Northwest European
9.5% South European

And Native Kashubian score:

64% North Slavic
2.1% Finnish,
32% Northwest European
2.1% Ambiguous
0% South European

I wonder how much "South European" do typical Czechs score.

I suppose they will score at least 20% "South European".

[Magnolia]

Czechs have some german filth on and in them.

It seems to be impossible to find Czech results even on Czech internet... :noidea:

[Peterski]

Native Upper Silesian guy scores in DNA.Land:

54% North Slavic
27% Northwest European
19% South European

And user "Noricum" from Austria:

49% North Slavic
25% Northwest European
24% South European ("Sardinian" included)
2% Ambiguous

Compared to my score:

55% North Slavic
36% Northwest European
9.5% South European

And Native Kashubian score:

64% North Slavic
2.1% Finnish,
32% Northwest European
2.1% Ambiguous
0% South European

I wonder how much "South European" do typical Czechs score.

I suppose they will score at least 20% "South European".

^ The smaller % of "South European" admixture, the blonder the population:

Ryc. 19. Distribution of percentage of "pure blondes":

http://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/mapy/antropometria/polska/mapka-odsetek-blondynow.jpg

As you can see Czech Republic is a dark-haired land, as described by GiCa:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?193776-Europe-Is-mostly-a-dark-haired-land-The-False-myte-of-Europe-all-Fairish

Dramatic version: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0zEhq3RAx27

[Peterski]

It seems to be impossible to find Czech results even on Czech internet... :noidea:

"Czechs: the missing link in the genetics of Europe" :p

[Robocop]

"Czechs: the missing link in the genetics of Europe" :p

Czechs are Mysterious ppl, they live in their forests like Elves from Lord of the Rings and dont give a fuck about anyone else lol.

[Magnolia]

"Czechs: the missing link in the genetics of Europe" :p
But my hair is brown. Do you think I'm of Balkan origin? :D
...

[Peterski]

:thumb001: It's not Ukrainian fault that Russia after Soviet union fell apart made a shit-hole country out of them till this day.

Well it is their fault but... back in 1989-90 Poland was to the same extent a shit-hole as Ukraine.

They (Ukraine) just did not progress since then, while West Slavic countries did a lot of progress.

Post-Communist transformation failed in Ukraine, something went wrong.

[Magnolia]

Well it is their fault but... back in 1989-90 Poland was to the same extent a shit-hole as Ukraine.

They (Ukraine) just did not progress since then, while West Slavic countries did a lot of progress.

Post-Communist transformation failed in Ukraine, something went wrong.
There must be something wrong in their culture/mentality/....

[Peterski]

But my hair is brown. Do you think I'm of Balkan origin? :D
(...)

Brown = the missing link between Northern Europe and the Balkans. :p


There must be something wrong in their culture/mentality/....

I think they don't respect each other. That's my impression.

And this makes things like e.g. corruption more widespread.

[Robocop]

...

This map made me laugh so hard, because of what is says for Poland area; "Often overrun by Orcs", hahahahhahah

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/70/de/b370ded72ab7204506615d9d154d7ca0.jpg

[Mikula]

btw. Can you finally tell me what the map?
Does it make sense to you?
http://orig01.deviantart.net/c1a5/f/2015/033/d/3/germanic_y_dna_combined_haplogroups_by_arminius187 1-d8fztsi.png

Generally yes. But the map is just general not detailed, there is bigger diversity in smaller areas, ethnical islands, etc.

[Mikula]

I don't think the situation was different. They had to be hardly mixed with Ukrainians...

Before arrival of Czechs to Volhynia in 1868, the area was inhabited by catholic Poles and Orthodox Ukrainians.
And of course by Jews who were practicising Judaism.
Religion was the barrier against mixing of the 3 different groups.
The arrived Czechs were not too devoted Catholics, and a couple generations later major part of them converted to Orthodox church.
Nevertheless, marriages between the Orthodox Czechs and Orthodox Ukrainians were very rare, as well as marriages between Catholic Czechs and Catholic Poles.
Czech culture and Czech language were very important values for the people.
Simillar situation was also in Romanian Banat, American Texas and Nebraska etc., where the first generations of the Czechs did not mix so much with the local non-Czech inhabitants. The situation was changed after WW2 - in all of the mentioned places.

I would like to stop the "Volyňská řež" between us.
But when you will write something about Volhynian Czechs, in the future, read firstly something about their history, please.

Doporučená literatura:

http://www.scvp.eu/downloads/Dejiny_Volynskych_Cechu_1.pdf
http://www.scvp.eu/downloads/Dejiny_volynskych_cechu_2.pdf
http://www.scvp.eu/downloads/Dejiny_volynskych_cechu_3.pdf
http://knihy.abz.cz/imgs/teaser_pdf/4449788074252440.pdf

[Mikula]

Czechs are Mysterious ppl, they live in their forests like Elves from Lord of the Rings and dont give a fuck about anyone else lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIh6AAKPQiA

[Mikula]

Really? I have never heard that someone would say "Silesians are more genetically similar to us than to Poles" or something like that.

Let me remind what I said earlier in this thread:
Mikula, remember that you're from Silesia. You're closer to Poles than to Bohemians and you're partly Polish. It's quite obvious that they look familiar to you ;-).

I am just 1/8 Silesian, only :)

[Magnolia]

Before arrival of Czechs to Volhynia in 1868, the area was inhabited by catholic Poles and Orthodox Ukrainians.
And of course by Jews who were practicising Judaism.
Religion was the barrier against mixing of the 3 different groups.
The arrived Czechs were not too devoted Catholics, and a couple generations later major part of them converted to Orthodox church.
Nevertheless, marriages between the Orthodox Czechs and Orthodox Ukrainians were very rare, as well as marriages between Catholic Czechs and Catholic Poles.
Czech culture and Czech language were very important values for the people.
Simillar situation was also in Romanian Banat, American Texas and Nebraska etc., where the first generations of the Czechs did not mix so much with the local non-Czech inhabitants. The situation was changed after WW2 - in all of the mentioned places.

I would like to stop the "Volyňská řež" between us.
But when you will write something about Volhynian Czechs, in the future, read firstly something about their history, please.[/URL]
E.g.

At the end of the 19th century (1897) 66% of Volhynian Czechs were of were of Orthodox religion, 29% of Catholics, 5% of protestant religion.
I wouldn't call this "couple of generations later"...

Remember they left their homes in search of a better life in Ukraine...

[Sekkmer]

Mikula, it looks like you received some thumb downs since 1st half of the week. :icon_cry:

[Mikula]

Maybe I should clarify why I said this:
WW2 ended more than 70 years ago but people who came here after the expulsion of Sudeten Germans are not "assimilated" yet.
The former prosperous region is currently backward (North/East Bohemia).
There is still a statistical significant difference between the former Sudetenland and other parts of the CzechR:
GDP per capita by region:
https://www.czso.cz/documents/10180/28532303/235529329.gif/06d901d3-4163-45b7-886d-73f4c211a4f2?version=1.0&t=1454503162257
Regional unemployment rate:

Social benefits by region:

High school education rankings by region:

The map of criminality according to the Czech police:

etc. etc.

Every Czech is familiar with the statitics.
But to explain the situation in Sudetenland, just by ethnical/or social backround of its inhabitants is just only a part of the fact.
The area is too far from the important centers, tourist sites, ffrom the highways and almost nobody wish to invest, there.
The traditional textil industry of the area is over.
People had to work more for less, comparing with another areas.
In Jeseník was closed not just factories but even a dairy. Young people run away from the area.
It is very easy to label the people as loosers.
But remember Great Depression of 1930s.
The area was inhabited by Germans, what we stereotypically ound as more hardworking and better businessmen than avarage Czechs.
But they became loosers too, because of the doom of local industry, there, and it led to their political radicalization - and we both know the results.
Be more humble, before labelling some people, please.

[Magnolia]

Generally yes. But the map is just general not detailed, there is bigger diversity in smaller areas, ethnical islands, etc.
The Sudetenland isn't a small area.
There is no reason to The Sudetenland was more germanic influenced than the rest of the country... It is full of people who came there after Germans left.

[Bezprym]

E.g.

At the end of the 19th century (1897) 66% of Volhynian Czechs were of were of Orthodox religion, 29% of Catholics, 5% of protestant religion.
I wouldn't call this "couple of generations later"...

Remember they left their homes in search of a better life in Ukraine...

Because they lived in the Russian Empire, which wasn't the perfect place to be "not-Orthodox". Just saying.

[Ülev]

Mikula, so finally you got your first thumbs down, and funny that from your compatriot


Mikula, it looks like you received some thumb downs since 1st half of the week. :icon_cry:

it's one, second is Magnolia showed us your horns, so this time Rethel had right about atheists, lol

[Magnolia]

Every Czech is familiar with the statitics.
But to explain the situation in Sudetenland, just by ethnical/or social backround of its inhabitants is just only a part of the fact.
The area is too far from the important centers, tourist sites, ffrom the highways andhe almost nobody wish to invest, tre.
The traditional textil industry of the area is over.
People had to work more for less, comparing with another areas.
In Jeseník was closed not just factories but even a dairy. Young people run away from the area.
It is very easy to label the people as loosers.
But remember Great Depression of 1930s.
The area was inhabited by Germans, what we stereotypically ound as more hardworking and better businessmen than avarage Czechs.
But they became loosers too, because of the doom of local industry, there, and it led to their political radicalization - and we both know the results.
Be more humble, before labelling some people, please.

Mikula please....
The area is a tourist center itself.
e.g.
The Teplice Spa is the oldest spa in Central Europe with an almost two thousand year old tradition. It is located in North Bohemia ....
http://www.lazneteplice.cz/public/galleries/1/254/kamenne-lazne-leto.jpg

Almost nobody wish to invest there because population has no potential, they're uneducated, they don't want to work. It was a prosperous region but now it is a nightmare full of gambling, prostitution, drugs...
It's close to Germany our economy is strongly linked to that of Germany .... but the investment doesn't come.

Jeseník :confused: Why do you speak about Jeseník (located in Silesia) when the whole time are in the spotlight Northern/Eastern (partially Western) Bohemia?

"Be more humble, before labelling some people," look at yourself with your Adidas, etc.

[Magnolia]

it's one, second is Magnolia showed us your horns, so this time Rethel had right about atheists, lol

Why do you care? :rolleyes:

[Ülev]

Why do you care? :rolleyes:

guess, lol

[Magnolia]

guess, lol
You're Mikula's biggest fan.

[Magnolia]

Because they lived in the Russian Empire, which wasn't the perfect place to be "not-Orthodox". Just saying.
I know but it was their choice to go there and to live there.

[Ülev]

You're Mikula's biggest fan.

nah, I am your fan :naughty:

[Magnolia]

nah, I am your fan :naughty:
Good one.

[Bezprym]

I know but it was their choice to go there and to live there.

Most likely their ancestor's choice, not theirs.

[Magnolia]

Most likely their ancestor's choice, not theirs.
Even the first generation was oppressed.
Their descendants (who can't speak Czech) benefit from it till present.
http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/ethnic-czechs-in-volyn-province-ask-czech-republic-for-help
Btw. They aren't ethnic Czechs - the situation looks like this:

Kladu si otázku, jestli má v této situaci nárok na přesídlení rodina, ve které matka má jednoho rodiče Čecha, ale do života krajanů se nikdy nezapojovala, česky nemluví a příliš nerozumí, její manžel je Ukrajinec, který nechce bojovat za svoji zem, a jejich děti neumí česky ani slovo. Nechci o krajanech říkat nic špatného, ale nelze zastírat fakt, že někteří obyvatelé Čechohradu se považují za Čechy pouze tehdy, kdy se jim to hodí.

[Bezprym]

Even the first generation was oppressed.
Their descendants (who can't speak Czech) benefit from it till present.
http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/ethnic-czechs-in-volyn-province-ask-czech-republic-for-help
Btw. They aren't ethnic Czechs - the situation looks like this:

Looks familiar.

[Mikula]

Jeseník :confused: Why do you speak about Jeseník (located in Silesia) when the whole time are in the spotlight Northern/Eastern (partially Western) Bohemia?

"Be more humble, before labelling some people," look at yourself with your Adidas, etc.

Sudetenland - was a term for all German speaking border areas of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia.
Yes it is a large area wit a big diversity.
Area of Karlovy Vary (Carlsbad) and another spa towns, is hard to compare with coalmining area of the town of Most or with hilly forested areas Bohemian Forest, or Jeseníky Mts.
Also the Sudeten areas closer to inland regions looks usually better than the areas closer to the borders.
I live in district of Nový Jičín (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nov%C3%BD_Ji%C4%8D%C3%ADn_District).
Prior WW2 was Nový Jičín (Neutitschein) mostly German-speaking town, surrounded by both, German speaking and Czech speaking villages. Today when you will come to the area you will have a problem to say which village was always Czech, and which one was colonized by Czechs later after WW2.
But when I will visit villages around Rýmařov (Römmerstadt), also re-colonized after WW2, I have an impression that the war ended 2 years ago, there :(

According my jokes about adidas, etc., I dont find ones as offensive.
But I understand when you will say that it is not your cup of tea.
I have found some of your comments offensive and therefore I thumbed you down. You thumbed me down as a payback, not fifty-fifty, but it is your choice.
That is all.

[Mikula]

only butthurted clowns minuses my posts

[Magnolia]

....
The only one who is butthurted is you.
You're crying like a child because I thumbed you down. :)
Don't worry I'll remove it later... Your reputation will be saved. it won't change the fact you're an...

[Mikula]

The only one who is butthurted is you.
You're crying like a child because I thumbed you down. :)
Don't worry I'll remove it later... Your reputation will be saved. it won't change the fact you're an...

Who is more dramatic?
I thumb down just for offensive comments, not for neutral ones.
You can thumb me down, again, it is your choice.

[Magnolia]

Who is more dramatic?
I thumb down just for offensive comments, not for neutral ones.
You can thumb me down, again, it is your choice.
:picard2:....
My comments weren't offensive. Look at yourself. You keep posting offensive comments all the time (by the way).
I have no need.... though I don't agree with almost anything you write.

[Dick]

SO THIS IS WHERE MOST OF TA AUTISTS HANG NOW NOWADAYS

[Robocop]

I don't like Czechs...

Joke..., So...Czechs..what's up? :D