Investigating Ancient Southern European genomes using BAT calculator

[Voskos]

Out of curiosity I'll run some csv's from ancient southern Europeans using Dienekes's old BAT calculator (Balkan-Anatolia-Turkey), will post some of them here.

Modern population averages posted by Dienekes on his blog:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q7pHFIHCgUs/TmU0dwR2rmI/AAAAAAAAAlU/-56YraPgjIE/s1600/bat.png

[Voskos]

Here's what K8 gets, ancient Thracian from Bulgaria.(450 BC)


62.33% Balkans
37.67% Anatolia
0.00% Turkic

[Voskos]

V2(1500-1100BC), Vratitsa, Bulgaria:

28.04% Balkans
51.75% Anatolia
20.21% Turkic

[Voskos]

P192, Thracian, 800-500BC:

53.77% Balkans
43.48% Anatolia
2.74% Turkic

[Voskos]

RISE595 Montenegro, Late Bronze Age, Velika Gruda.

62.69% Balkans
37.31% Anatolia
0.00% Turkic

[Voskos]

RISE 596, Iron Age, Montenegro

3 ancestral populations
166462 total SNPs
335 flipped SNPs
0 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
164753 absent SNPs
0.010267 genotype rate
mode genomewide


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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38.51% Balkans
43.97% Anatolia
17.52% Turkic

[Voskos]

Neolithic Serbian Genome, Gomolava. Around 4600BC

58.92% Balkans
35.09% Anatolia
5.99% Turkic

[Voskos]

This one's from Northern Europe. RISE598, Iron Age Lithuania

91.40% Balkans
6.88% Anatolia
1.72% Turkic

[Voskos]

Neolithic Anatolian Genome from Barcin/Turkey:

62.22% Balkans
37.78% Anatolia
0.00% Turkic

[GoneWithTheWind]

Ancient Balkanites were mixed. Some get high balkan like 99%, others get high non euro ancestry. I saw examples with high African. According to some Albanians here the non euro is all just noice xD

[Voskos]

It seems that CHG admixture gets read as Anatolian


RISE546, Yamnaya:

62.61% Balkans
33.62% Anatolia
3.77% Turkic

[Voskos]

RISE 412, Noratus Armenia. Around 1000BC

30.67% Balkans
69.33% Anatolia
0.00% Turkic

[Voskos]

Above Armenian genome on dv3:

4.55% East_European
17.77% West_European
17.80% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
48.71% West_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
10.59% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.57% Palaeo_African

[Voskos]

RISE 595 and 596 from Montenegro, dv3 calculator

595

19.90% East_European
29.02% West_European
38.14% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
0.00% West_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.50% East_African
6.40% Southwest_Asian
6.03% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African


596


33.03% East_European
31.32% West_European
0.01% Mediterranean
3.58% Neo_African
21.91% West_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Northeast_Asian
6.23% Southeast_Asian
3.93% East_African
0.00% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African

[Voskos]

Gomolava, serbia, neolithic genome. dv3


24.11% East_European
19.89% West_European
42.28% Mediterranean
5.40% Neo_African
5.51% West_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.83% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% Southwest_Asian
1.98% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African

[Voskos]

K36 results for Bronze Age and Iron Age Montenegrins

LBA:

0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
9.64% Basque
2.81% Central_African
1.71% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
8.73% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Euro
14.74% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
23.93% French
0.00% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
9.25% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
10.99% North_African
3.32% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.04% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
14.84% West_Med



Iron Age:


0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
11.44% Basque
4.50% Central_African
3.77% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
22.16% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
38.20% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% French
4.75% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
1.57% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.38% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
7.79% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
5.44% West_Caucasian
0.00% West_Med

[Peterski]

Unfortunately quality of these Balkan aDNA samples is very poor.

Check this:


RISE 596, Iron Age, Montenegro

3 ancestral populations
166462 total SNPs
335 flipped SNPs
0 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
164753 absent SNPs
0.010267 genotype rate
mode genomewide


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

38.51% Balkans
43.97% Anatolia
17.52% Turkic

This genome has only 1709 SNPs out of these which are used by calculators.

This is a very low coverage, so results should be taken with a grain of salt.

I mean these results can be relatively accurate, but they can also be distorted.

[Voskos]

Unfortunately quality of these Balkan aDNA samples is very poor.

Check this:



This genome has only 1709 SNPs out of these which are used by calculators.

This is a very low coverage, so results should be taken with a grain of salt.

I mean these results can be relatively accurate, but they can also be distorted.

I know man, but it's better than nothing.

[catgeorge]

Ancient Minoan distances

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871/tables/1

https://s18.postimg.org/fmktoee89/minoan_distances.png

[Voskos]

K36 results for Bronze Age and Iron Age Montenegrins

LBA:

0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
9.64% Basque
2.81% Central_African
1.71% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
8.73% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Euro
14.74% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
23.93% French
0.00% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
9.25% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
10.99% North_African
3.32% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.04% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
14.84% West_Med



Iron Age:


0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
11.44% Basque
4.50% Central_African
3.77% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
22.16% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
38.20% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% French
4.75% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
1.57% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
0.38% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
7.79% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
5.44% West_Caucasian
0.00% West_Med

And here's their localisation on a map using the K36 tool(http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm) :

LBA Montenegrin, RISE 595:

https://snag.gy/sCHbY8.jpg


Iron Age, RISE 596:

https://snag.gy/Ap3bEw.jpg

[Voskos]

RISE595 Montenegro LBA k12b:

0.00% Gedrosia
0.00% Siberian
0.02% Northwest_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
48.62% Atlantic_Med
26.87% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% East_African
6.65% Southwest_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
17.84% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

[1,] "Baleares_1KG" "9.0476"
[2,] "North_Italian" "9.5969"
[3,] "Galicia_1KG" "10.5491"
[4,] "N_Italian_D" "11.1406"
[5,] "Spaniards" "12.0069"
[6,] "Cataluna_1KG" "12.5903"
[7,] "Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG" "12.7544"
[8,] "Extremadura_1KG" "12.8083"
[9,] "Murcia_1KG" "12.9613"
[10,] "Cantabria_1KG" "13.6034"

[Voskos]

RISE 596 Iron Age Montenegro, k12b


14.26% Gedrosia
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
33.37% Atlantic_Med
42.93% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
5.68% East_African
0.00% Southwest_Asian
2.47% East_Asian
1.29% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

[1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "10.1517"
[2,] "Argyll_1KG" "10.3342"
[3,] "Dutch_D" "10.4888"
[4,] "CEU30" "11.1091"
[5,] "English_D" "11.1179"
[6,] "Orkney_1KG" "11.3659"
[7,] "Kent_1KG" "11.4708"
[8,] "Orcadian" "11.5674"
[9,] "Irish_D" "11.6995"
[10,] "British_D" "12.2589"

[Voskos]

V2, Ancient Thracian genome.

0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.00% Basque
0.00% Central_African
28.25% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
5.81% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
3.99% Eastern_Euro
0.01% Fennoscandian
0.00% French
0.00% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
0.00% North_Atlantic
44.93% North_Caucasian
0.00% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
2.22% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
14.80% West_Med

[Voskos]

K8, Ancient Thracian from Krushare.


0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
35.05% Basque
0.00% Central_African
0.00% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% French
0.00% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.02% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
16.12% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
24.07% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
9.64% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
15.10% West_Med

[Voskos]

Another ancient genome, from Svilengrad Bulgaria.


0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
4.03% Armenian
0.00% Basque
0.00% Central_African
11.29% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Central_Euro
5.19% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% French
0.04% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
9.94% North_African
0.00% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
27.71% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.72% West_African
40.50% West_Caucasian
0.57% West_Med

[Ylla]

Do you have the Gedmatch ID's?

[Voskos]

Do you have the Gedmatch ID's?

I didn't upload them, used DIY calcs instead.

[Danaan]

It seems that CHG admixture gets read as Anatolian


RISE546, Yamnaya:

62.61% Balkans
33.62% Anatolia
3.77% Turkic

In Calculators which differentiate between Caucasian and Baloch or Gedrosian, Yamnaya gets Baloch/Gedrosian and sometimes little to no Caucasian.
Yamnaya isn't EHG + CHG.

But more interesting is this:

I0443

Kit Number: M343758 Elapsed Time: 11.60 seconds


Population
Amerindian 2.14
Ancestral_Altaic 13.60
South_Central_Asian 23.93
Arctic 0.41
South_Indian -
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 17.10
Archaic_Human 0.10
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan 0.17
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East -
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.55

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M655536 (I0231 Yamnaya)

Kit Number: M655536 Elapsed Time: 9.57 seconds


Population
Amerindian 2.93
Ancestral_Altaic 15.83
South_Central_Asian 24.30
Arctic 0.19
South_Indian 0.56
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 14.62
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East -
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.15
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 41.39

Gedmatch calculators are mostly a tool useful for propaganda.

[Voskos]

In Calculators which differentiate between Caucasian and Baloch or Gedrosian, Yamnaya gets Baloch/Gedrosian and sometimes little to no Caucasian.
Yamnaya isn't EHG + CHG.

But more interesting is this:

Gedmatch calculators are mostly a tool useful for propaganda.

Exartatai pws tha to ermhneuseis. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh , apo th stigmh pou h Kentrikh Asia exei arketh prosmixh CHG kai isws kai Yamnaya, logiko einai to Yamna na vgalei kai ligo South Central Asian otan to trekseis me ta calcs. Symfwneis?

[RN97]

I never get a bit about what this stuff means at all.
Could someone explain or even link me some stuff about what this shizzle means?

[Danaan]

Exartatai pws tha to ermhneuseis. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh , apo th stigmh pou h Kentrikh Asia exei arketh prosmixh CHG kai isws kai Yamnaya, logiko einai to Yamna na vgalei kai ligo South Central Asian otan to trekseis me ta calcs. Symfwneis?

Αυτό που εννοούσα
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions


The K12b admixture calculator is courtesy of Dienekes Pontikos and was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project; more information here.

Kit Number: M655536 Elapsed Time: 8.54 seconds


Population
Gedrosia 29.04
Siberian 2.17
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.37
North_European 61.33
South_Asian 1.09
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 2.89
Sub_Saharan 0.11

HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions


This utility uses the HarappaWorld model, created by Zack. Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at harappa@zackvision.com or to his HarappaWorld blog.
We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

Kit Number: M655536 Elapsed Time: 10.20 seconds

Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 30.11
Caucasian 5.75
NE-Euro 58.99
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 3.58
Beringian 1.46
Mediterranean -
SW-Asian -
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African 0.11

Δεν μπορώ να πω αν είναι λογικό, αλλά κάτι θα σημαίνει. Εγώ, έτσι κι αλλιώς, δεν θεωρώ πως σχετίζονται με την εξάπλωση των 'ΙΕ' γλωσσών, αλλά ταυτόχρονα δεν θέλω να παριστάνω και τον ειδικό αφού δεν έχω καμία σχέση με το πεδίο.

[Voskos]

Bump.