Eurasia K9 ASI( analysis of ASI among afghans)

['owight Gavnah]

After some extensive research here and there, i have come to a conclusion that the eurasia k9 asi is probably the most accurate calculator in which the "south asian" component is finally broken down. That is what the user Kurd was aiming for. Now, it taken me some time to track down nearly everyones bakground, but this is what i got.

mine ( half tajik/pashtun)

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 44.73
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.72
3 WHG 10.25
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 8.93
5 SW_Asian 8.11
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.21
7 Siberian_E_Asian 4.92
8 SE_Asian 3.6
9 W_African 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 6.74
2 Tajik_Pomiri 10.82
3 Tajik_Afghan 12.16
4 Uzbek_Afghan 12.78
5 Pathan 12.97
6 Lezgin 13.11
7 Azeri_Dagestan 13.16
8 Chechen 14.23
9 Adygei 15.1
10 Kumyk 15.35
11 Kalash 15.66
12 Kurd_SE 15.74
13 Burusho 15.99
14 Iranian 16.28
15 Balochi 16.63
16 Makrani 17.25
17 Punjabi 17.29
18 Abkhasian 17.65
19 Azeri 17.88
20 Kurd_C 18.36

Afghan Pashtun from Kandahar

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.18
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.05
3 SW_Asian 10.85
4 WHG 9.6
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.4
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.31
7 Siberian_E_Asian 3.66
8 SE_Asian 2.37
9 W_African 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 7.32
2 Tajik_Pomiri 10.59
3 Lezgin 12.17
4 Azeri_Dagestan 12.5
5 Tajik_Afghan 13.35
6 Uzbek_Afghan 13.43
7 Pathan 13.54
8 Chechen 13.63
9 Kumyk 14.79
10 Adygei 14.83
11 Iranian 15.21
12 Kalash 16.18
13 Balochi 16.38
14 Makrani 16.72
15 Kurd_SE 16.96
16 Azeri 17.1
17 Burusho 17.12
18 Abkhasian 17.62
19 Punjabi 17.93
20 Kurd_N 18.39

Afghan pashtun/tajik from Laghman

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.34
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.67
3 Ancestral_South_Indian 10.5
4 SW_Asian 7.79
5 SE_Asian 6.29
6 WHG 5.36
7 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 5.01
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 4.85
2 Pathan 5.71
3 Burusho 8.56
4 Punjabi 9.01
5 Kurd_SE 10.32
6 Kalash 10.4
7 Balochi 12.53
8 Tajik_Pomiri 13.36
9 Brahui 14.09
10 Makrani 14.11
11 Tajik_Afghan 14.58
12 Uzbek_Afghan 16.02
13 Lezgin 20.94
14 KOTIAS 21.08
15 Azeri_Dagestan 21.65
16 Chechen 23.11
17 Iranian 23.16
18 Hazara_Afghan 24.35
19 Kumyk 24.61
20 Bengali

Another Afghan pashtun/tajik from Laghman

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 49.18
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 9.73
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.5
4 Ancestral_South_Indian 9.43
5 SW_Asian 7.4
6 WHG 6.89
7 SE_Asian 6.05
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.77
9 W_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 3.06
2 Pathan 7.52
3 Burusho 10.97
4 Punjabi 11.63
5 Kurd_SE 11.97
6 Tajik_Pomiri 12.48
7 Kalash 12.49
8 Balochi 12.93
9 Tajik_Afghan 13.32
10 Makrani 14.21
11 Uzbek_Afghan 14.51
12 Brahui 14.65
13 Lezgin 17.82
14 Azeri_Dagestan 17.95
15 Chechen 19.51
16 Iranian 19.66
17 KOTIAS 20.42
18 Adygei 20.68
19 Kumyk 20.91
20 Kurd_C 21.21

Afghan pashtun from Logar

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 44.57
2 SW_Asian 11.63
3 WHG 9.85
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.63
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 8.53
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 8.44
7 SE_Asian 3.89
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.38
9 W_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 6.89
2 Tajik_Pomiri 10.05
3 Uzbek_Afghan 12.47
4 Tajik_Afghan 12.63
5 Pathan 12.64
6 Lezgin 14.02
7 Azeri_Dagestan 14.85
8 Burusho 15.66
9 Chechen 15.67
10 Kalash 16.23
11 Balochi 16.53
12 Kumyk 16.73
13 Iranian 16.79
14 Punjabi 16.79
15 Adygei 17.03
16 Makrani 17.05
17 Kurd_SE 17.19
18 Azeri 18.69
19 Brahui 18.74
20 Kurd_N 20.13

Afghan pashtun/tajik from Kabul
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 44.23
2 SW_Asian 9.49
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.33
4 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 9.09
5 WHG 8
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.65
7 Siberian_E_Asian 7.05
8 SE_Asian 5.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 7.6
2 Tajik_Afghan 8.85
3 Uzbek_Afghan 9.61
4 Tajik_Pomiri 10.83
5 Pathan 13.36
6 Burusho 14.49
7 Lezgin 15.31
8 Azeri_Dagestan 15.63
9 Kurd_SE 15.7
10 Kalash 15.9
11 Chechen 16.55
12 Punjabi 17.15
13 Kumyk 17.22
14 Adygei 17.44
15 Balochi 17.51
16 Iranian 17.84
17 Makrani 18.23
18 Azeri 19.03
19 Hazara_Afghan 19.3
20 Brahui 19.59

Afghan pashtun from Kandahar
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.39
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 10.36
3 SW_Asian 10.12
4 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 9.67
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 8.99
6 WHG 5.82
7 SE_Asian 5.41
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.53
9 W_African 0.71

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 5.11
2 Pathan 11.12
3 Tajik_Afghan 11.33
4 Tajik_Pomiri 11.61
5 Uzbek_Afghan 12.13
6 Burusho 13.45
7 Kurd_SE 14
8 Kalash 14.73
9 Punjabi 14.91
10 Balochi 15.19
11 Azeri_Dagestan 15.64
12 Lezgin 15.68
13 Makrani 15.83
14 Iranian 17.13
15 Chechen 17.23
16 Brahui 17.33
17 Kumyk 18.31
18 Adygei 18.35
19 Azeri 19.4
20 Kurd_C 19.8

Afghan kizilbas shia from kabul plus 1/8 iranian

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.85
2 SW_Asian 12.06
3 WHG 10.37
4 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 10.22
5 SE_Asian 9.85
6 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.42
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 5.37
8 Siberian_E_Asian 4.87

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbek_Afghan 6.01
2 Tajik_Afghan 8.64
3 Tajik_Pomiri 11.96
4 Pashtun_Afghan 13.63
5 Lezgin 13.96
6 Kumyk 14.42
7 Chechen 14.46
8 Azeri_Dagestan 14.87
9 Adygei 15.12
10 Turkmen 15.95
11 Hazara_Afghan 16.15
12 Azeri 16.63
13 Iranian 17.25
14 Turkmen_Afghan 18.07
15 Burusho 19.46
16 Pathan 19.85
17 Turkish 19.93
18 Kurd_N 20.11
19 Abkhasian 20.45
20 Kurd_C 21.73

This ones background i am not certain, he could have non afghan ancestry in the mix.

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 42.79
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 12.35
3 SW_Asian 10.52
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 10.09
5 WHG 7.79
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.19
7 SE_Asian 5.54
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 7.98
2 Uzbek_Afghan 10.48
3 Tajik_Afghan 10.51
4 Tajik_Pomiri 10.74
5 Azeri_Dagestan 12.26
6 Lezgin 12.31
7 Chechen 13.36
8 Kumyk 14.21
9 Adygei 14.26
10 Pathan 14.78
11 Iranian 14.93
12 Azeri 16.21
13 Burusho 16.72
14 Kurd_SE 17.22
15 Abkhasian 17.36
16 Kurd_C 17.92
17 Kalash 18.03
18 Kurd_N 18.2
19 Balochi 18.51
20 Punjabi 18.81

Afghan pashtun kandahar
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.45
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 10.49
3 SW_Asian 10.15
4 WHG 9.66
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.47
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 7.37
7 SE_Asian 4.98
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.8
9 W_African 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 5.77
2 Tajik_Pomiri 8.84
3 Tajik_Afghan 11.69
4 Pathan 11.75
5 Uzbek_Afghan 11.76
6 Burusho 14.15
7 Lezgin 14.5
8 Kalash 15.33
9 Kurd_SE 15.54
10 Azeri_Dagestan 15.76
11 Punjabi 15.94
12 Balochi 16.36
13 Chechen 16.42
14 Makrani 16.91
15 Kumyk 17.67
16 Adygei 17.96
17 Iranian 18.33
18 Brahui 18.43
19 Azeri 20.01
20 Abkhasian 21.27

Afghan tajik

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 48.42
2 WHG 10.62
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 10.41
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.19
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 8.18
6 SW_Asian 5.77
7 SE_Asian 5.63
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.17
9 W_African 0.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 4.87
2 Pathan 9.48
3 Tajik_Pomiri 10.52
4 Burusho 12.83
5 Tajik_Afghan 13.71
6 Punjabi 13.83
7 Kalash 14.03
8 Kurd_SE 14.18
9 Uzbek_Afghan 14.47
10 Balochi 15.39
11 Lezgin 16.31
12 Makrani 16.46
13 Brahui 16.96
14 Azeri_Dagestan 17.24
15 Chechen 17.94
16 Adygei 19.22
17 Kumyk 19.45
18 Iranian 20.17
19 KOTIAS 21.15
20 Abkhasian 21.41

Afghan pashtun/tajik

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.34
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.59
3 SW_Asian 9.16
4 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 9.07
5 SE_Asian 7.91
6 Siberian_E_Asian 7.53
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.39
8 WHG 7.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tajik_Afghan 6.31
2 Uzbek_Afghan 6.75
3 Pashtun_Afghan 10.25
4 Tajik_Pomiri 10.68
5 Burusho 15.63
6 Hazara_Afghan 15.79
7 Lezgin 15.89
8 Pathan 16.25
9 Azeri_Dagestan 16.66
10 Chechen 16.92
11 Turkmen 17.22
12 Kumyk 17.37
13 Kurd_SE 17.54
14 Adygei 17.84
15 Turkmen_Afghan 18.71
16 Kalash 18.9
17 Iranian 19.36
18 Punjabi 19.56
19 Azeri 19.74
20 Balochi 21.53

Afghan pashtun
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 46.42
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.75
3 WHG 9.65
4 SW_Asian 8.6
5 SE_Asian 8.43
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 7.02
7 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 5.08
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 6.54
2 Tajik_Pomiri 8.9
3 Pathan 11.18
4 Tajik_Afghan 11.46
5 Uzbek_Afghan 11.59
6 Burusho 11.75
7 Kurd_SE 14.78
8 Punjabi 14.85
9 Kalash 15.73
10 Lezgin 17.17
11 Balochi 17.41
12 Makrani 18.23
13 Azeri_Dagestan 18.96
14 Brahui 19.12
15 Chechen 19.32
16 Hazara_Afghan 20.67
17 Kumyk 20.73
18 Adygei 21.06
19 Iranian 21.75
20 Azeri 23.15

Now before People start saying that Pakistani Pashtuns are much different....well think again. It's one individual, but, still counts. A mohmand Pashtun from Pakistan.


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 44.94
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.4
3 WHG 10.14
4 Ancestral_South_Indian 9.73
5 SW_Asian 8.01
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 7.17
7 SE_Asian 4.4
8 Siberian_E_Asian 3.7
9 W_African 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 5.05
2 Tajik_Pomiri 8.13
3 Pathan 10.44
4 Tajik_Afghan 12.25
5 Uzbek_Afghan 12.85
6 Burusho 13.12
7 Kalash 13.84
8 Punjabi 14.46
9 Kurd_SE 15.29
10 Lezgin 16.16
11 Balochi 17.07
12 Azeri_Dagestan 17.75
13 Chechen 18.01
14 Makrani 18.07
15 Brahui 19
16 Kumyk 19.3
17 Adygei 19.59
18 Iranian 20.56
19 Azeri 22.35
20 Hazara_Afghan 22.42

Other than one individual, all the afghans score <10% of ASI. Any futher insight will be appreciated, and please, no trollin or derailling the thread.

[Hadouken]

thats not that little bro

it is definitely a lot less than what south asians score but still a lot more than what west asians score

[Jesse1961]

I'm a southeast Asian (Filipino) and here's my result:

SE_Asian 75.99
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.36
SW_Asian -
Ancestral_South_Indian 6.86
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 0.62
WHG -
Siberian_E_Asian 11.87
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 2.60
W_African 1.70

My South Asian score at Gedmatch ranges from 5 to 10%, but i have no known south Indian ancestor.

[Mortimer]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 24.89
2 WHG 23.45
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.13
4 SW_Asian 13.74
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 8.75
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 4.43
7 SE_Asian 3.46
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.84
9 W_African 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 13.96
2 Bulgarian 14.47
3 Albanian 15.22
4 Kumyk 15.5
5 Sicilian 15.72
6 Adygei 16.46
7 Turkish 16.56
8 Tuscan 16.76
9 Chechen 17.03
10 Maltese 17.29
11 Lezgin 19.18
12 Croatian 20.83
13 Azeri_Dagestan 20.91
14 Azeri 21.73
15 Spanish 22.21
16 Hungarian 22.52
17 French 22.78
18 Tatars 24.01
19 Tajik_Pomiri 24.04
20 Cypriot 24.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Spanish + 42.6% Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.06
2 59.3% Tuscan + 40.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.2
3 61.8% Albanian + 38.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.24
4 71.9% Albanian + 28.1% Burusho @ 4.39
5 52.3% Hungarian + 47.7% Iranian @ 4.5
6 73.2% Albanian + 26.8% Punjabi @ 4.68
7 51% Iranian + 49% English @ 4.76
8 54.3% Croatian + 45.7% Iranian @ 4.76
9 71.1% Albanian + 28.9% Pathan @ 4.78
10 51.1% Iranian + 48.9% Scottish @ 4.81
11 64% Bulgarian + 36% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.81
12 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.84
13 52% French + 48% Iranian @ 4.84
14 52.2% Iranian + 47.8% Czech @ 4.89
15 64.3% Greek + 35.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.91
16 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Burusho @ 4.94
17 70% Tuscan + 30% Burusho @ 5.01
18 62.2% Spanish + 37.8% Pathan @ 5.01
19 67.1% Albanian + 32.9% Pashtun_Afghan @ 5.02
20 74.5% Bulgarian + 25.5% Punjabi @ 5.06

['owight Gavnah]

thats not that little bro

it is definitely a lot less than what south asians score but still a lot more than what west asians score

It's defintley less than 10%, so people saying "Veddoid admixture" are essentially wrong. Iranians score 3.54%, Kurdish ( Kurd C, Kurd SE and K_N ) score on average 3.52%. Not that much of a difference considering the position of afghans.

[Purohit ji]

thats not that little bro

it is definitely a lot less than what south asians score but still a lot more than what west asians score

You mean intermediate

[Petalpusher]

This calculator may actually give you the most, the 'ASE' peak is just lower, therefore is increased proportionally to your score. Which doesn't mean much without looking at the spreasheet. That's still 20-25% S.Asia stuff.


Papuan
Ancestral_South_Indian 36.75
SE_Asian 32.63
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 19.96
W_African 8.67
WHG 1.16
Siberian_E_Asian 0.76
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.07
SW_Asian 0.00
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 0.00



Pashtun_Afghan
Ancestral_South_Indian 9.15
SE_Asian 4.95
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 48.75
Siberian_E_Asian 2.35
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.97
WHG 7.32
SW_Asian 6.65
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 8.70
W_African 0.1



Great_Andamanese (peak ASI)
Ancestral_South_Indian 63.54
SE_Asian 20.35
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.85
Siberian_E_Asian 3.11
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 1.07
WHG 0.70
SW_Asian 0.90
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.47
W_African 0.01

['owight Gavnah]

This calculator may actually give you the most, the 'ASE' peak is just lower, therefore is increased proportionally to your score. Which doesn't mean much without looking at the spreasheet. That's still 20-25% S.Asia stuff.


Papuan
Ancestral_South_Indian 36.75
SE_Asian 32.63
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 19.96
W_African 8.67
WHG 1.16
Siberian_E_Asian 0.76
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.07
SW_Asian 0.00
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 0.00



Pashtun_Afghan
Ancestral_South_Indian 9.15
SE_Asian 4.95
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 48.75
Siberian_E_Asian 2.35
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.97
WHG 7.32
SW_Asian 6.65
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 8.70
W_African 0.1



Great_Andamanese (peak ASI)
Ancestral_South_Indian 63.54
SE_Asian 20.35
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.85
Siberian_E_Asian 3.11
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 1.07
WHG 0.70
SW_Asian 0.90
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.47
W_African 0.01

It peaks the highest among the onge population actually.

From anthrogenica

"am pleased to introduce the 1st GEDmatch ASI calculator, that calculates Ancestral South Indian based on allele frequencies of island populations and Indian tribals.

This calculator is modeled around the ancient ancestral South Indian component, ASI, which peaks in the Onge, Andamanese, and a few Indian tribal populations. The Onge are believed
to have taken the coastal migration route from Arabia to India over 40,000 years ago.

The Onge together with the other Andamanese people that inhabit the Andaman Islands, which are governed by India, are an endangered species, and number only in the few hundreds.

The populations used to source ASI allele frequencies have much less W Eurasian admixture than the majority of present day Indians. These populations include Paniya, Kharia, Ho, and Puliyar. Island populations in general are subject to less admixture events than mainland populations, due to physical isolation, and as such tend to reflect local ancestral genetics better.

To increase the accuracy of the calculator, a common denominator set of SNPs for the overwhelming majority of the sample genomes was used. This common denominator set of SNPs turned out to be around 33,000, which is more than adequate because the fixation distances between the calculator components is relatively high.

Since much of the W Eurasian admixture traditionally associated with the S Indian component is not included in ASI, and instead been assigned to other W Eurasian components such as CHG, there will tend to be a convergence of W & S Asians, and either may notice reduced oracle distances from the other. The historical parallel to this is that once upon a time ancestral Indians and W Asians were genetically closer to each other.

To prevent a W Eurasian heavy Indian cluster from forming, I did not include the multitude of Indian populations that I would normally include, in this run. Consequently,
Indians may find their oracle distances to be high, since the proxy populations for Indians are limited to ASI source populations such as Paniya, Kharia, Andamanese, etc.


Here is a brief description of the components:

1- WHG peaks in Loshbour, La Brana, Bichon, and

2- EHG peaks in Karelia HG

3- ASI peaks in the Onge and other Andamanese, followed by Indian tribals such as Puliyar, Ho and Paniya

4- Siberian / E Asian peaks in Nganasan followed by Ulchi

5- SW Asian peaks in Bedouin B followed by Saudi

6- ENF peaks in Neolithic Anatolians and LBK cultures of the Balkans

7- W African peaks in Esan and Yoruba

8- SE Asian peaks in Ami, Dai, followed by Naga

9- CHG peaks in Satsurbila CHG, followed by Kotias CHG, and the Baloch & Brahui of Pakistan"

And it's not 20-25 % south Asian relative to the percentage of the andamese population, more like 12-15%.

[Petalpusher]

It peaks the highest among the onge population actually.


Onge are the great Andamanese, it's one of the tribe. So yea that's the peak, but at 63,5% + SE_Asian and CHG, etc.. instead of being simply 100% ASE (since there s no ASE here). Paniya are 50% of these Onge proportions, just like in any run.

[Hadouken]

It's defintley less than 10%, so people saying "Veddoid admixture" are essentially wrong. Iranians score 3.54%, Kurdish ( Kurd C, Kurd SE and K_N ) score on average 3.52%. Not that much of a difference considering the position of afghans.

"Kurd SE" are Kurds from Balochistan who are obviously mixed with balochs . (as I said I didnt even know that kurds exist there and they have big genetical differences to us) . "Kurd C" is also a very atypical case and not quite clear who such "Kurds" are supposed to be . the member "Kurd" himself is not a Kurd btw. and his results are also very different from us on average .

here some of our results

mine (I am from Dersim) :


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



another Kurd from Dersim


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Feyli Kurd from Iran


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 41.55
2 SW_Asian 24.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.73
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
5 WHG 3.47
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
7 SE_Asian 1.28
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
9 W_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 2.85
2 Iranian 4.01
3 Azeri 6.04
4 Abkhasian 7.81
5 Georgian 8.02
6 Georgian_Jew 8.47
7 Kurd_C 8.7
8 Armenian 8.78
9 Iranian_Jew 9.65
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.75
11 Adygei 13.78
12 Kumyk 14.27
13 Turkish 14.41
14 Chechen 15.04
15 Iraqi_Jew 15.12
16 Lezgin 16.05
17 Druze 16.48
18 Syrian 17.83
19 Lebanese 18.1
20 Jordanian 20.05



I am fed up with all the myths and lies about us

[Milo]

Why/how would Kurds have mixed with Balochis? How is that even possible?

The member Kurd is a Baloch from the Baloch clan "Kurd" afaik

[Hadouken]

Why/how would Kurds have mixed with Balochis? How is that even possible?

The member "Kurd" is a Baloch afaik

maybe because when they live together that it is normal that there are mixings ? in any case those "Kurd SE" have BIG differences to us which either means that they are not really kurds OR that they are mixed .

edit : so member "Kurd" is not even a Kurd as I said thanks

[Petalpusher]

"Kurd SE" are Kurds from Balochistan who are obviously mixed with balochs . (as I said I didnt even know that kurds exist there and they have big genetical differences to us) . "Kurd C" is also a very atypical case and not quite clear who such "Kurds" are supposed to be . the member "Kurd" himself is not fully Kurd btw. and his results are also very different from us on average .

here some of our results

mine (I am from Dersim) :


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



another Kurd from Dersim


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Feyli Kurd from Iran


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 41.55
2 SW_Asian 24.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.73
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
5 WHG 3.47
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
7 SE_Asian 1.28
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
9 W_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 2.85
2 Iranian 4.01
3 Azeri 6.04
4 Abkhasian 7.81
5 Georgian 8.02
6 Georgian_Jew 8.47
7 Kurd_C 8.7
8 Armenian 8.78
9 Iranian_Jew 9.65
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.75
11 Adygei 13.78
12 Kumyk 14.27
13 Turkish 14.41
14 Chechen 15.04
15 Iraqi_Jew 15.12
16 Lezgin 16.05
17 Druze 16.48
18 Syrian 17.83
19 Lebanese 18.1
20 Jordanian 20.05



I am fed up with all the myths and lies about us

It's not a lot of ASI/ASE indeed, and isn't an intermediate with north India. Ive seen some English with as much or more than that.

[Hadouken]

It's not a lot of ASI/ASE indeed, and isn't an intermediate with north India

nobody said it is :D

he means the afghan results by "intermediate"

[Pahli]

My results, South West Iranian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.87
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.39
3 SW_Asian 21.9
4 WHG 5.71
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 4.24
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.83
7 SE_Asian 0.85
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.65
9 W_African 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 2.51
2 Iranian 3.81
3 Azeri 5.4
4 Georgian 5.72
5 Abkhasian 5.86
6 Armenian 7.89
7 Kurd_C 8.63
8 Georgian_Jew 9.3
9 Azeri_Dagestan 9.73
10 Iranian_Jew 10.58
11 Adygei 11.88
12 Kumyk 12.63
13 Turkish 12.74
14 Chechen 13.62
15 Lezgin 15.17
16 Iraqi_Jew 15.95
17 Druze 16.58
18 Lebanese 18.02
19 Syrian 18.1
20 Cypriot 19.09

[Pahli]

Ancient Iranian samples:

Iran Mesolithic from Northern Iran near the Caspian Sea, North East of Tehran:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.36
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 26.25
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.16
4 SW_Asian 4.03
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.2
6 W_African 2.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KOTIAS 13.92
2 Kurd_SE 16.6
3 Kalash 18.69
4 Pashtun_Afghan 18.82
5 Tajik_Pomiri 20.82
6 Pathan 21.32
7 Lezgin 23.13
8 Balochi 23.64
9 Punjabi 23.65
10 Makrani 23.87
11 Brahui 24.53
12 Azeri_Dagestan 24.66
13 Burusho 24.91
14 Chechen 25.82
15 Kurd_C 27.41
16 Tajik_Afghan 27.87
17 Adygei 28.2
18 Kumyk 28.55
19 Abkhasian 29.11
20 Uzbek_Afghan 29.21

Iran Neolithic from West / South West Iran, East of Kermanshah:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 70.25
2 SW_Asian 8.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.92
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.59
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 4.5
6 W_African 3.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 10.38
2 Makrani 11.73
3 Balochi 12
4 KOTIAS 14.32
5 Kurd_SE 18.26
6 Kalash 19.75
7 Pathan 20.13
8 Punjabi 20.86
9 Pashtun_Afghan 22.89
10 Burusho 24.39
11 Kurd_C 28.73
12 SATSURBILA 29.95
13 Tajik_Pomiri 30.92
14 Iranian 31.12
15 Azeri_Dagestan 31.26
16 Abkhasian 31.33
17 Lezgin 32.37
18 Tajik_Afghan 32.42
19 Kurd_N 33.21
20 Georgian 33.78

[Myanthropologies]

This is cool, thanks!

[Myanthropologies]

thats not that little bro

it is definitely a lot less than what south asians score but still a lot more than what west asians score

Iranians can have like 4%. 7% is not that much higher at all, and it is still within the 1 digits range.

[Myanthropologies]

It's not a lot of ASI/ASE indeed, and isn't an intermediate with north India. Ive seen some English with as much or more than that.

I thought there was "no south asian" in Europe? :laugh:

[crazyladybutterfly]

I thought there was "no south asian" in Europe? :laugh:

dont you know that a lot of horny british men brought in their land hot indian females?

[Hadouken]

Iranians can have like 4%. 7% is not that much higher at all, and it is still within the 1 digits range.

yes as I said it is not all that high but still noticably higher than what we score . and Iran is big and diverse and already going into a grey zone where it borders central/south asia on the east and is more arabian shifted in some parts also . if you want to take an iranian from a certain area who scores for example 6% or whatever as the west asian proxy and compare him to afghans then yeah ....

[Myanthropologies]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 24.89
2 WHG 23.45
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.13
4 SW_Asian 13.74
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 8.75
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 4.43
7 SE_Asian 3.46
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.84
9 W_African 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 13.96
2 Bulgarian 14.47
3 Albanian 15.22
4 Kumyk 15.5
5 Sicilian 15.72
6 Adygei 16.46
7 Turkish 16.56
8 Tuscan 16.76
9 Chechen 17.03
10 Maltese 17.29
11 Lezgin 19.18
12 Croatian 20.83
13 Azeri_Dagestan 20.91
14 Azeri 21.73
15 Spanish 22.21
16 Hungarian 22.52
17 French 22.78
18 Tatars 24.01
19 Tajik_Pomiri 24.04
20 Cypriot 24.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Spanish + 42.6% Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.06
2 59.3% Tuscan + 40.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.2
3 61.8% Albanian + 38.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.24
4 71.9% Albanian + 28.1% Burusho @ 4.39
5 52.3% Hungarian + 47.7% Iranian @ 4.5
6 73.2% Albanian + 26.8% Punjabi @ 4.68
7 51% Iranian + 49% English @ 4.76
8 54.3% Croatian + 45.7% Iranian @ 4.76
9 71.1% Albanian + 28.9% Pathan @ 4.78
10 51.1% Iranian + 48.9% Scottish @ 4.81
11 64% Bulgarian + 36% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.81
12 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.84
13 52% French + 48% Iranian @ 4.84
14 52.2% Iranian + 47.8% Czech @ 4.89
15 64.3% Greek + 35.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.91
16 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Burusho @ 4.94
17 70% Tuscan + 30% Burusho @ 5.01
18 62.2% Spanish + 37.8% Pathan @ 5.01
19 67.1% Albanian + 32.9% Pashtun_Afghan @ 5.02
20 74.5% Bulgarian + 25.5% Punjabi @ 5.06

You're pretty much in between afghans and South Europeans.

[Petalpusher]

I thought there was "no south asian" in Europe? :laugh:

There's none on averages. For some reasons some Brits can score some probably because of the colonial history in India. That's individual matters not for the country.

[Myanthropologies]

yes as I said it is not all that high but still noticably higher than what we score . and Iran is big and diverse and already going into a grey zone where it borders central/south asia on the east and is more arabian shifted in some parts also . if you want to take an iranian from a certain area who scores for example 6% or whatever as the west asian proxy and compare him to afghans then yeah ....

Iran as a whole has like 5% on avergae. Even Samaritan Kurd had like 2 or 3%. You're a Kurd from Eastern Turkey and probably even have Turkish admixture. You're not representative of average Kurds either. Afghans are still closer to West Asians than to both Central and South Asians on those oracles, minus the obvious Pamiri Tajiks, etc.

Also Arabian admixture is higher in Kurds than in Iranians.

[Pahli]

Iran as a whole has like 5% on avergae. Even Samaritan Kurd had like 2 or 3%. You're a Kurd from Eastern Turkey and probably even have Turkish admixture. You're not representative of average Kurds either. Afghans are still closer to West Asians than to both Central and South Asians on those oracles, minus the obvious Pamiri Tajiks, etc.

Well the region I come from is a bit more Iranian shifted, which is why Kurds from this area get more Iranian like results, but I compared my results to other Pahli Kurds and I was the one with the lowest South Asian admixture out of like 8 - 10 samples, some of them reached 12% South Asian while I only had like 5%.

[Hadouken]

Iran as a whole has like 5% on avergae. Even Samaritan Kurd had like 2 or 3%. You're a Kurd from Eastern Turkey and probably even have Turkish admixture. You're not representative of average Kurds either. Afghans are still closer to West Asians than to both Central and South Asians on those oracles, minus the obvious Pamiri Tajiks, etc.

about 3% is the highest I have seen from Kurds so far . usually we score 1-2% but even 3% is still a lot less than around 7% what afghans score. afghans are not south asian to me I already said that often but closer to northern south asians than to us . however ...closer to certain Iranians than to northern south asians . we even have the data in front of our eyes here I dont know what there is to discuss anymore

[Myanthropologies]

Well the region I come from is a bit more Iranian shifted, which is why Kurds from this area get more Iranian like results, but I compared my results to other Pahli Kurds and I was the one with the lowest South Asian admixture out of like 8 - 10 samples, some of them reached 12% South Asian while I only had like 5%.

The 12% will probably be reduced down to 5% I assume.

[gültekin]

My results, South West Iranian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.87
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.39
3 SW_Asian 21.9
4 WHG 5.71
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 4.24
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.83
7 SE_Asian 0.85
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.65
9 W_African 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 2.51
2 Iranian 3.81
3 Azeri 5.4
4 Georgian 5.72
5 Abkhasian 5.86
6 Armenian 7.89
7 Kurd_C 8.63
8 Georgian_Jew 9.3
9 Azeri_Dagestan 9.73
10 Iranian_Jew 10.58
11 Adygei 11.88
12 Kumyk 12.63
13 Turkish 12.74
14 Chechen 13.62
15 Lezgin 15.17
16 Iraqi_Jew 15.95
17 Druze 16.58
18 Lebanese 18.02
19 Syrian 18.1
20 Cypriot 19.09
Weren't you a Kurd? Kurds don't live in South West Iran
http://iranian.com/main/files/blogimages/Ethnic.png

[Pahli]

Weren't you a Kurd? Kurds don't live in South West Iran
http://iranian.com/main/files/blogimages/Ethnic.png

Look up the city Ilam and Kermanshah, its in South West / West Iran.

[Pahli]

The 12% will probably be reduced down to 5% I assume.

South Asian admixture ranges from 4 - 15% in Iran depending on the region.

[Myanthropologies]

South Asian admixture ranges from 4 - 15% in Iran depending on the region.

On this calculator??

[Pahli]

On this calculator??

No they used PuntDNAL K12, but it still gives you an idea.

[Myanthropologies]

You mean intermediate

It's not intermediate, because if it was, then afghanan would be between North Indians and west asians, but they favor west asians more in these oracles.

[Hadouken]

dont worry I will post more results of different peoples later when I am back . now I will go for a jog :-*

['owight Gavnah]

"Kurd SE" are Kurds from Balochistan who are obviously mixed with balochs . (as I said I didnt even know that kurds exist there and they have big genetical differences to us) . "Kurd C" is also a very atypical case and not quite clear who such "Kurds" are supposed to be . the member "Kurd" himself is not a Kurd btw. and his results are also very different from us on average .

here some of our results

mine (I am from Dersim) :


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



another Kurd from Dersim


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Feyli Kurd from Iran


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 41.55
2 SW_Asian 24.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.73
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
5 WHG 3.47
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
7 SE_Asian 1.28
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
9 W_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 2.85
2 Iranian 4.01
3 Azeri 6.04
4 Abkhasian 7.81
5 Georgian 8.02
6 Georgian_Jew 8.47
7 Kurd_C 8.7
8 Armenian 8.78
9 Iranian_Jew 9.65
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.75
11 Adygei 13.78
12 Kumyk 14.27
13 Turkish 14.41
14 Chechen 15.04
15 Iraqi_Jew 15.12
16 Lezgin 16.05
17 Druze 16.48
18 Syrian 17.83
19 Lebanese 18.1
20 Jordanian 20.05



I am fed up with all the myths and lies about us

Kurd SE is not from balochistan, he's from Iraq. He's the user Kurd. What lies?

[meisje]

Oracle 1

75% Afghan Pastun+25% Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 36.35
2 South_Indian 29.48
3 Caucasian 15.82
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.9
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6
6 Near_East 2.83
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.09
8 East_Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.41
10 Australoid 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 5.98
2 Pathan ( ) 7.1
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.72
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.02
5 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.34
6 Burusho ( ) 14.4
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.92
8 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 15.55
9 Pakistani ( ) 15.73
10 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 16.24
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 16.56
12 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 17.21
13 Sindhi ( ) 17.47
14 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 18.6
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 18.97
16 Tiwari ( ) 22.43
17 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 23.32
18 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 23.57
19 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 24.24
20 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 24.26


Oracle 2, Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 27.49
2 South_Indian 21.91
3 Caucasian 19.65
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.55
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.66
6 Near_East 4.13
7 Amerindian 2.02
8 Austronesian 2
9 Archaic_African 1.87
10 South_East_Asian 1.85
11 Tungus-Altaic 1.26
12 Paleo_Siberian 1.26
13 East_African 1.12
14 Subsaharian 0.96
15 Archaic_Human 0.62
16 East_Siberian 0.53
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 8.54
2 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 11.55
3 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 13.44
4 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 15.05
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.1
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 15.83
7 Parsi ( ) 17.09
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 17.36
9 Pathan ( ) 17.51
10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.7
11 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 17.8
12 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 19.15
13 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 19.81
14 Cochin_Jew ( ) 20.2
15 Burusho ( ) 22.68
16 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 24.04
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 24.21
18 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 25.7
19 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 26.31
20 Uzbek ( ) 27.67


Oracle 3, Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 32.97
2 South_Indian 25.66
3 Caucasian 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.43
6 Near_East 3.81
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.13
9 East_Siberian 0.95
10 Austronesian 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.68
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
13 South_East_Asian 0.53
14 East_African 0.35
15 Archaic_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 1.57
2 Pathan ( ) 10.63
3 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 12.73
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 12.78
5 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 12.94
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 13.55
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.35
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.38
9 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 16.98
10 Burusho ( ) 17.28
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.63
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 18.98
13 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 19.28
14 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 19.39
15 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 20.31
16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 20.55
17 Parsi ( ) 20.58
18 Pakistani ( ) 21.27
19 Sindhi ( ) 22.39
20 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 23.75

Oracle 4, half Tajik/Half Afghan Pashtun

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 34.15
2 Caucasian 21.5
3 South_Indian 16.72
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.3
5 Ancestral_Altaic 8.47
6 Amerindian 2.58
7 Near_East 2.13
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.84
9 South_East_Asian 0.87
10 Subsaharian 0.62
11 Australoid 0.61
12 North_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 5.87
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 7.85
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.73
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 10.78
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 11.24
6 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.51
7 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 13.08


Oracle 5, Afghan Pashtun

Amerindian 1.10%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.13%
South_Central_Asian 35.61%
Arctic 0.13%
South_Indian 15.88%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 20.99%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African 0.72%
East_Siberian 0.43%
European_Early_Farmers 2.30%
Khoisan 0.10%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.13%
North_African 2.29%
Paleo_Siberian 0.65%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 1.67%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 1.47
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 6.33
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.58
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 10.81
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 11.07
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 12.39
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.82
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 12.93
9 Parsi ( ) 14.22

['owight Gavnah]

Well the region I come from is a bit more Iranian shifted, which is why Kurds from this area get more Iranian like results, but I compared my results to other Pahli Kurds and I was the one with the lowest South Asian admixture out of like 8 - 10 samples, some of them reached 12% South Asian while I only had like 5%.


You mean pretty much pubjabi jats...northern south Asians includes peninsular Indians such as Himachal Pradesh, UP, even Kashmiris who we are not close to. It's very clear that pubjabi jats ( not punjabi Rajputs etc) are very western shifted.

[Pahli]

You mean pretty much pubjabi jats...northern south Asians includes peninsular Indians such as Himachal Pradesh, UP, even Kashmiris who we are not close to. It's very clear that pubjabi jats ( not punjabi Rajputs etc) are very western shifted.

Here's a genomes plot to show you:

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg

['owight Gavnah]

Oracle 1

75% Afghan Pastun+25% Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 36.35
2 South_Indian 29.48
3 Caucasian 15.82
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.9
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6
6 Near_East 2.83
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.09
8 East_Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.41
10 Australoid 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 5.98
2 Pathan ( ) 7.1
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.72
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.02
5 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.34
6 Burusho ( ) 14.4
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.92
8 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 15.55
9 Pakistani ( ) 15.73
10 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 16.24
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 16.56
12 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 17.21
13 Sindhi ( ) 17.47
14 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 18.6
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 18.97
16 Tiwari ( ) 22.43
17 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 23.32
18 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 23.57
19 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 24.24
20 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 24.26


Oracle 2, Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 27.49
2 South_Indian 21.91
3 Caucasian 19.65
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.55
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.66
6 Near_East 4.13
7 Amerindian 2.02
8 Austronesian 2
9 Archaic_African 1.87
10 South_East_Asian 1.85
11 Tungus-Altaic 1.26
12 Paleo_Siberian 1.26
13 East_African 1.12
14 Subsaharian 0.96
15 Archaic_Human 0.62
16 East_Siberian 0.53
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 8.54
2 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 11.55
3 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 13.44
4 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 15.05
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.1
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 15.83
7 Parsi ( ) 17.09
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 17.36
9 Pathan ( ) 17.51
10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.7
11 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 17.8
12 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 19.15
13 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 19.81
14 Cochin_Jew ( ) 20.2
15 Burusho ( ) 22.68
16 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 24.04
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 24.21
18 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 25.7
19 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 26.31
20 Uzbek ( ) 27.67


Oracle 3, Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 32.97
2 South_Indian 25.66
3 Caucasian 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.43
6 Near_East 3.81
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.13
9 East_Siberian 0.95
10 Austronesian 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.68
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
13 South_East_Asian 0.53
14 East_African 0.35
15 Archaic_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 1.57
2 Pathan ( ) 10.63
3 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 12.73
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 12.78
5 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 12.94
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 13.55
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.35
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.38
9 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 16.98
10 Burusho ( ) 17.28
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.63
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 18.98
13 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 19.28
14 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 19.39
15 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 20.31
16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 20.55
17 Parsi ( ) 20.58
18 Pakistani ( ) 21.27
19 Sindhi ( ) 22.39
20 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 23.75

Oracle 4, half Tajik/Half Afghan Pashtun

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 34.15
2 Caucasian 21.5
3 South_Indian 16.72
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.3
5 Ancestral_Altaic 8.47
6 Amerindian 2.58
7 Near_East 2.13
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.84
9 South_East_Asian 0.87
10 Subsaharian 0.62
11 Australoid 0.61
12 North_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 5.87
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 7.85
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.73
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 10.78
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 11.24
6 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.51
7 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 13.08


Oracle 5, Afghan Pashtun

Amerindian 1.10%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.13%
South_Central_Asian 35.61%
Arctic 0.13%
South_Indian 15.88%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 20.99%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African 0.72%
East_Siberian 0.43%
European_Early_Farmers 2.30%
Khoisan 0.10%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.13%
North_African 2.29%
Paleo_Siberian 0.65%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 1.67%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 1.47
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 6.33
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.58
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 10.81
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 11.07
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 12.39
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.82
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 12.93
9 Parsi ( ) 14.22


I don't know what you trying to show....as I said already, the Eurasia k9 ASI is SPECIFICALLY made to break the "South Indian". Your post makes no sense.

[meisje]

I don't know what you trying to show....as I said already, the Eurasia k9 ASI is SPECIFICALLY made to break the "South Indian". Your post makes no sense.

I try to show your Nonsense, South Indian=ASI(Major)+ANI(Minor)

['owight Gavnah]

Here's a genomes plot to show you:

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because you've backed up what I said. It's clear that pubjabi jats are the ones that are western shifted, why do people think afghans are the ones that are south Asian shifted? We sit perfectly where we are meant to be, if not western shifted based on our geography. Remember the "Afghan Pashtun" was from northeast Afghanistan, we haven't had the chance to see what western Afghans will plot. Probably around the afghan Pashtun dot with tendencies more west.

In addition to that, the gap between Iranian and afghan Pashtun will most likely be filled by khorasan. Eastern Iran and western Afghanistan. People are forgetting that the Iranian sample was from north/west Iran, afghan sample was from northeast Afghanistan. We are actually closer than we should be in all honesty.

['owight Gavnah]

I try to show your Nonsense, South Indian=ASI(Major)+ANI(Minor)

Lol. My nonsense ? Why don't you go and educate yourself. I cannot be bothered to explain everything.

[gum_dum]

My results Eurasia K9 ASI

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.70
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 14.70
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.67
4 SE_Asian 8.36
5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 5.60
6 WHG 4.21

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi @ 4.163539
2 Pathan @ 5.714448
3 Burusho @ 6.520862
4 Kurd_SE @ 9.980457
5 Kalash @ 10.193142
6 Pashtun_Afghan @ 11.033156
7 Balochi @ 16.007010
8 Brahui @ 16.375570
9 Makrani @ 18.432541
10 Tajik_Pomiri @ 19.319094
11 Tajik_Afghan @ 19.844866
12 Bengali @ 19.876627
13 KOTIAS @ 22.198875
14 Uzbek_Afghan @ 22.344889
15 Lezgin @ 28.261162
16 Hazara_Afghan @ 28.970226
17 Azeri_Dagestan @ 29.067778
18 Chechen @ 30.454231
19 Kurd_C @ 31.246218
20 Iranian @ 31.505028

[lameduck]

My results Eurasia K9 ASI

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.70
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 14.70
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.67
4 SE_Asian 8.36
5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 5.60
6 WHG 4.21

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi @ 4.163539
2 Pathan @ 5.714448
3 Burusho @ 6.520862
4 Kurd_SE @ 9.980457
5 Kalash @ 10.193142
6 Pashtun_Afghan @ 11.033156
7 Balochi @ 16.007010
8 Brahui @ 16.375570
9 Makrani @ 18.432541
10 Tajik_Pomiri @ 19.319094
11 Tajik_Afghan @ 19.844866
12 Bengali @ 19.876627
13 KOTIAS @ 22.198875
14 Uzbek_Afghan @ 22.344889
15 Lezgin @ 28.261162
16 Hazara_Afghan @ 28.970226
17 Azeri_Dagestan @ 29.067778
18 Chechen @ 30.454231
19 Kurd_C @ 31.246218
20 Iranian @ 31.505028

cool results bro

[lameduck]

is it me or there is some sort of tradeoff between ASI and East Eurasian in the region, the lesser ASI more East Eurasian.

[meisje]

Lol. My nonsense ? Why don't you go and educate yourself. I cannot be bothered to explain everything.
Start with you,Indian shifted Ethno-Chauvanist İdiot,Another Afghan who rejects his Indian Genes

[Slavic Italian]

I have some Scythian. :cool:


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 WHG 35.18
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 24.37
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 13.23
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 12.86
5 SW_Asian 11.73
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.86
8 SE_Asian 0.68
9 W_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.93
2 Bulgarian 6.06
3 French 7.12
4 Hungarian 8.33
5 Spanish 9.31
6 English 11.5
7 Scottish 11.81
8 Albanian 12.23
9 French_South 12.47
10 Czech 13
11 Tuscan 13.38
12 Greek 14.42
13 Ukrainian 14.48
14 Norwegian 14.82
15 Icelandic 16.77
16 Belarusian 18.86
17 RISE_baBb 19.25
18 Sicilian 19.39
19 Maltese 20.55
20 Russian 20.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Bulgarian + 23.6% RISE_baBb @ 1.19
2 67.4% Albanian + 32.6% Estonian @ 2.26
3 50.9% Scottish + 49.1% Albanian @ 2.38
4 61% Albanian + 39% Belarusian @ 2.46
5 55% Albanian + 45% Norwegian @ 2.55
6 77.3% Spanish + 22.7% Scythian_IA @ 2.58
7 54.4% Albanian + 45.6% Ukrainian @ 2.58
8 67.3% Albanian + 32.7% Lithuanian @ 2.73
9 62.6% Scottish + 37.4% Sicilian @ 2.75
10 67.5% Albanian + 32.5% Finnish @ 2.79
11 60.3% Hungarian + 39.7% Albanian @ 2.81
12 55.2% Scottish + 44.8% Greek @ 2.82
13 64% Scottish + 36% Maltese @ 2.82
14 51.6% Albanian + 48.4% Czech @ 2.84
15 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% RISE_baSin @ 2.89
16 63.3% Albanian + 36.7% Russian @ 2.9
17 58.3% Norwegian + 41.7% Maltese @ 2.92
18 81.7% Bulgarian + 18.3% RISE_baUne @ 2.95
19 63.7% Greek + 36.3% Estonian @ 3
20 56.9% Norwegian + 43.1% Sicilian @ 3.01

['owight Gavnah]

Start with you,Indian shifted Ethno-Chauvanist İdiot,Another Afghan who rejects his Indian Genes

71.1% Pashtun_Afghan + 28.9% Adygei 3.09

Lol.
There's nothing to accept you imbecile, I already said pubjabi jats are close to us...it's inevitable afghans will score higher ASI than their western neighbors, the more east you go the higher the Asi, Iranians and Kurds score higher ASI than Turks, we score higher ASI than them. Central Asians such as Kyrgyz who have NO affinity with south Asians regarding culture, genetics, phenotype also score some ASI....should they "accept" their "Indian" genes? No. Now get out of my thread you cockroach.

[lameduck]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Because you've backed up what I said. It's clear that pubjabi jats are the ones that are western shifted, why do people think afghans are the ones that are south Asian shifted? We sit perfectly where we are meant to be, if not western shifted based on our geography. Remember the "Afghan Pashtun" was from northeast Afghanistan, we haven't had the chance to see what western Afghans will plot. Probably around the afghan Pashtun dot with tendencies more west.

do you have any result from Western Most Regions of Afghanistan? Another populations missing is pashtuns from Balochistan

[gum_dum]

You mean pretty much pubjabi jats...northern south Asians includes peninsular Indians such as Himachal Pradesh, UP, even Kashmiris who we are not close to. It's very clear that pubjabi jats ( not punjabi Rajputs etc) are very western shifted.

Not really, punjabis are genetically similar apart from dalits who are more ASI shifted. There are dozens of different tribe/biraderi results from punjab on anthrogenica. Punjabi rajpus (not generic rajput) are not that different from punjab jatts. For exemple "Punjabi" in Euroasia K9 ASI oracle are anthrogenica members from all over greater punjab and not really jatts.

['owight Gavnah]

do you have any result from Western Most Regions of Afghanistan? Another populations missing is pashtuns from Balochistan

I wish I did. But no one from Herat or farah is having tests done. I'm guessing they won't be too different than other afghans but slightly western shifted, they might even overlap with eastern Iranians.

['owight Gavnah]

Not really, punjabis are genetically similar apart from dalits who are more ASI shifted. There are dozens of different tribe/biraderi results from punjab on anthrogenica. Punjabi rajpus (not generic rajput) are not that different from punjab jatts. For exemple "Punjabi" in Euroasia K9 ASI oracle are anthrogenica members from all over greater punjab and not really jatts.

My bad. I guess punjabis in generals then. Although Kurd deliberately didn't use the pubjabi Lahore samples, they were very south Asian shifted, probably unlike the majority of punjabis.

Although if you read the ASI k9 thread of anthrogenica, some pubjabi members mebtikned that Kurd should've made it punjabi jat" and not pubjabi. Dr mcninja monkey Duffy etc are punjabis but not western shifted compared to jats such as Paul Gill, Sapporo( has recent central Asian ancestors)

[lameduck]

I wish I did. But no one from Herat or farah is having tests done. I'm guessing they won't be too different than other afghans but slightly western shifted, they might even overlap with eastern Iranians.

Pashtuns from Balochistan might also show interesting results , I was reading somewhere that some Northern balochs are actually balochified pashtuns

[lameduck]

My bad. I guess punjabis in generals then. Although Kurd deliberately didn't use the pubjabi Lahore samples, they were very south Asian shifted, probably unlike the majority of punjabis.

Although if you read the ASI k9 thread of anthrogenica, some pubjabi members mebtikned that Kurd should've made it punjabi jat" and not pubjabi. Dr mcninja monkey Duffy etc are punjabis but not western shifted compared to jats such as Paul Gill, Sapporo( has recent central Asian ancestors)

Punjab region has significant dalit Populations, generally High caste Punjabi/Sindhis have a strong pull toward their Northern/Western Countrymen

[gum_dum]

My bad. I guess punjabis in generals then. Although Kurd deliberately didn't use the pubjabi Lahore samples, they were very south Asian shifted, probably unlike the majority of punjabis.

True, PJL Lahore samples are mix of high ASI shifted dalits and generic high caste punjabis.

Razib Khan blogger did analyse

"The Punjabi samples were collected from Lahore, and they range from many individuals who are little different from Pathans to some whose genetic background resembles those from middle castes in Southern India. I don’t know what’s going on here, but there has been some back migration of laborers into the Punjab historically. I believe this is the origin of some low caste groups who are now Christian."

http://www.unz.com/gnxp/structure-in-1000-genomes-south-asian-data/

[Truth Preacher]

My bad. I guess punjabis in generals then. Although Kurd deliberately didn't use the pubjabi Lahore samples, they were very south Asian shifted, probably unlike the majority of punjabis.

Although if you read the ASI k9 thread of anthrogenica, some pubjabi members mebtikned that Kurd should've made it punjabi jat" and not pubjabi. Dr mcninja monkey Duffy etc are punjabis but not western shifted compared to jats such as Paul Gill, Sapporo( has recent central Asian ancestors)

I'm pretty sure that McNinja guy is Jatt too also there is that other Pak Jatt guy "Jatt2016" or something, what were his results like ?

[Hadouken]

Kurd SE is not from balochistan, he's from Iraq. He's the user Kurd. What lies?

as far as I know he is from balochistan . where do you have that from that he is from iraq ? btw. have you seen the results of that "kurd se" person ? very non kurdish .

by "lies" I dont mean you . I am talking in general

if anybody is interested I can post some more results of different west asian peoples

['owight Gavnah]

True, PJL Lahore samples are mix of high ASI shifted dalits and generic high caste punjabis.

Razib Khan blogger did analyse

"The Punjabi samples were collected from Lahore, and they range from many individuals who are little different from Pathans to some whose genetic background resembles those from middle castes in Southern India. I don’t know what’s going on here, but there has been some back migration of laborers into the Punjab historically. I believe this is the origin of some low caste groups who are now Christian."

http://www.unz.com/gnxp/structure-in-1000-genomes-south-asian-data/

I'm guessing high caste punjabis are examples like these two Pakistani punjabis

Don't quote



They are both Muslim. In all honesty they look much more similar to afghans Iranians than peninsular Indians.

['owight Gavnah]

as far as I know he is from balochistan . where do you have that from that he is from iraq ? btw. have you seen the results of that "kurd se" person ? very non kurdish .

by "lies" I dont mean you . I am talking in general

if anybody is interested I can post some more results of different west asian peoples

His results seem different than to the rest of Kurds, he was born in Pakistan but both his parents were from Iraq. However his tribe has similarities with Baluchis. I'm certain he's Iraqi. Someone asked him on the forum once.

[Ylla]

If europeans score it its scythian roma or what?


# Population Percent
1 WHG 29.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 29.25
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 16.74
4 SW_Asian 15.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 8.8
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 3.41
2 Bulgarian 4.74
3 Tuscan 4.83
4 Greek 5.16
5 Sicilian 10.39
6 Spanish 10.62
7 Maltese 12.08
8 Croatian 13.72
9 French 14.35
10 French_South 16.43
11 Hungarian 16.84
12 English 19.72
13 Scottish 20.63
14 Czech 21.67
15 Sardinian 22.47
16 Ukrainian 23.17
17 Turkish 23.31
18 Norwegian 23.58
19 Cypriot 25.24
20 Icelandic 25.4

[lameduck]

His results seem different than to the rest of Kurds, he was born in Pakistan but both his parents were from Iraq. However his tribe has similarities with Baluchis. I'm certain he's Iraqi. Someone asked him on the forum once.

he is than half Iraqi or something , I am sure his atleast one half is from Pakistan. He can even speak regional Pakistani languages.

[Hadouken]

71.1% Pashtun_Afghan + 28.9% Adygei 3.09

Lol.
There's nothing to accept you imbecile, I already said pubjabi jats are close to us...it's inevitable afghans will score higher ASI than their western neighbors, the more east you go the higher the Asi, Iranians and Kurds score higher ASI than Turks, we score higher ASI than them. Central Asians such as Kyrgyz who have NO affinity with south Asians regarding culture, genetics, phenotype also score some ASI....should they "accept" their "Indian" genes? No. Now get out of my thread you cockroach.

we score only a bit higher than turks if anything and we score very usual amounts just like other west asians while afghans score a big amount more than us

here some more results for you

Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.38
3 SW_Asian 23.91
4 WHG 8.59
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.7
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.48
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 4.65
2 Kurd_N 6.68
3 Georgian_Jew 7.21
4 Azeri 7.55
5 Georgian 7.84
6 Iranian_Jew 8.84
7 Iranian 9.2
8 Turkish 9.45
9 Abkhasian 9.7
10 Druze 12.25
11 Iraqi_Jew 12.64
12 Adygei 12.95
13 Azeri_Dagestan 13.15
14 Cypriot 13.36
15 Kumyk 13.49
16 Kurd_C 13.68
17 Lebanese 13.79
18 Syrian 14.7
19 Chechen 15.36
20 Jordanian 16.72


Armenian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 34.59
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.57
3 SW_Asian 23.37
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.48
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.06
7 W_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.05
2 Georgian_Jew 8.24
3 Georgian 8.57
4 Turkish 9.18
5 Kurd_N 9.65
6 Iranian_Jew 9.73
7 Azeri 10.05
8 Abkhasian 10.93
9 Cypriot 11.17
10 Druze 11.6
11 Iranian 12.4
12 Iraqi_Jew 12.77
13 Lebanese 13.2
14 Adygei 13.69
15 Kumyk 14.37
16 Azeri_Dagestan 14.67
17 Syrian 14.92
18 Kurd_C 15
19 Chechen 16.31
20 Jordanian 16.49



Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 33.76
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.02
3 SW_Asian 25.5
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.47
5 WHG 5.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.1
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.85
8 SE_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.04
2 Georgian_Jew 6.07
3 Iranian_Jew 7.55
4 Kurd_N 9.6
5 Georgian 9.73
6 Druze 10.05
7 Azeri 10.09
8 Turkish 10.16
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.76
10 Cypriot 11.36
11 Abkhasian 11.77
12 Lebanese 11.84
13 Iranian 12.17
14 Syrian 13.67
15 Kurd_C 14.58
16 Adygei 14.96
17 Jordanian 15.02
18 Azeri_Dagestan 15.1
19 Kumyk 15.44
20 Chechen 17.27



Georgian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.68
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.85
3 SW_Asian 19.8
4 WHG 10.32
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.99
6 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
8 W_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Adygei 6.3
2 Kumyk 6.8
3 Azeri 6.88
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.16
5 Kurd_N 8.2
6 Chechen 8.36
7 Georgian 8.37
8 Abkhasian 8.37
9 Iranian 9.35
10 Turkish 9.37
11 Armenian 10.27
12 Lezgin 11
13 Georgian_Jew 11.9
14 Kurd_C 13.1
15 Iranian_Jew 14.2
16 Druze 17.45
17 Cypriot 17.72
18 Iraqi_Jew 18.02
19 Lebanese 18.19
20 Syrian 18.71



Georgian (possibly Abkhazian)


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.12
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.61
3 SW_Asian 19.55
4 WHG 9.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.44
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.47
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 5.01
2 Abkhasian 5.16
3 Kurd_N 5.79
4 Azeri 6.44
5 Iranian 7.45
6 Azeri_Dagestan 7.76
7 Adygei 8.45
8 Armenian 8.91
9 Kumyk 9.5
10 Kurd_C 10.39
11 Chechen 10.54
12 Georgian_Jew 11.38
13 Turkish 11.41
14 Lezgin 12.69
15 Iranian_Jew 13.16
16 Druze 17.84
17 Iraqi_Jew 17.9
18 Cypriot 18.69
19 Lebanese 19.14
20 Syrian 19.62



Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.55
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 24.62
3 SW_Asian 18.47
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.92
6 Siberian_E_Asian 4.65
7 SE_Asian 3.27
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 4.72
2 Azeri 7.7
3 Adygei 9.07
4 Kumyk 9.32
5 Georgian 11.3
6 Armenian 11.44
7 Kurd_N 11.44
8 Azeri_Dagestan 11.49
9 Abkhasian 11.75
10 Iranian 11.85
11 Chechen 12.09
12 Georgian_Jew 13.07
13 Iranian_Jew 15.07
14 Lezgin 15.17
15 Kurd_C 15.31
16 Cypriot 16.21
17 Druze 16.9
18 Lebanese 17.13
19 Iraqi_Jew 18.15
20 Syrian 18.25


Turk from west Turkey
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.4
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
3 SW_Asian 18.8
4 WHG 14.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.73
6 Siberian_E_Asian 6.23
7 SE_Asian 2.42
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.84
9 W_African 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.63
2 Kumyk 8.97
3 Adygei 10.07
4 Chechen 12.04
5 Azeri 12.23
6 Azeri_Dagestan 14.1
7 Lezgin 14.96
8 Kurd_N 16.43
9 Iranian 16.51
10 Armenian 16.82
11 Sicilian 17.16
12 Georgian 17.5
13 Abkhasian 17.55
14 Georgian_Jew 17.6
15 Maltese 18.08
16 Cypriot 18.23
17 Greek 18.48
18 Lebanese 18.91
19 Syrian 19.48
20 Druze 19.82


and my results again . I am Kurdish



# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



it is time to accept that the notion that we are "south asian shifted" is bullshit and misinformation . we have nothing to do with south asians . we only have some ancient southcentral asian ("IndoIranian" . pashtun or baloch like) ancestry (about 20% ) thats it . we are mostly Caucasus and East Med .

[LoLeL]

It seems 10-20% ASI is normal for Afghanistan and its neighboring countries. It's my personal estimate based on anthrogenica.com threads. So maybe it's completely wrong.

And what is this so-called "ASI" admixture? Is it related to those very dark-skinned Indians or another archaic population?

[gum_dum]

Paniya Eurasia K9 ASI results just to get some idea, they are most south indian shifted group on Harappa with 84% south indian.

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38.72
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 0.00
3 WHG 0.00
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 0.00
5 SW_Asian 0.00
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 39.19
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.00
8 SE_Asian 21.82
9 W_African 0.27

Paniyas population is very small and isolated in deep south of India.

[Myanthropologies]

we score only a bit higher than turks if anything and we score very usual amounts just like other west asians while afghans score a big amount more than us

here some more results for you

Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.38
3 SW_Asian 23.91
4 WHG 8.59
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.7
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.48
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 4.65
2 Kurd_N 6.68
3 Georgian_Jew 7.21
4 Azeri 7.55
5 Georgian 7.84
6 Iranian_Jew 8.84
7 Iranian 9.2
8 Turkish 9.45
9 Abkhasian 9.7
10 Druze 12.25
11 Iraqi_Jew 12.64
12 Adygei 12.95
13 Azeri_Dagestan 13.15
14 Cypriot 13.36
15 Kumyk 13.49
16 Kurd_C 13.68
17 Lebanese 13.79
18 Syrian 14.7
19 Chechen 15.36
20 Jordanian 16.72


Armenian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 34.59
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.57
3 SW_Asian 23.37
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.48
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.06
7 W_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.05
2 Georgian_Jew 8.24
3 Georgian 8.57
4 Turkish 9.18
5 Kurd_N 9.65
6 Iranian_Jew 9.73
7 Azeri 10.05
8 Abkhasian 10.93
9 Cypriot 11.17
10 Druze 11.6
11 Iranian 12.4
12 Iraqi_Jew 12.77
13 Lebanese 13.2
14 Adygei 13.69
15 Kumyk 14.37
16 Azeri_Dagestan 14.67
17 Syrian 14.92
18 Kurd_C 15
19 Chechen 16.31
20 Jordanian 16.49



Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 33.76
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.02
3 SW_Asian 25.5
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.47
5 WHG 5.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.1
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.85
8 SE_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.04
2 Georgian_Jew 6.07
3 Iranian_Jew 7.55
4 Kurd_N 9.6
5 Georgian 9.73
6 Druze 10.05
7 Azeri 10.09
8 Turkish 10.16
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.76
10 Cypriot 11.36
11 Abkhasian 11.77
12 Lebanese 11.84
13 Iranian 12.17
14 Syrian 13.67
15 Kurd_C 14.58
16 Adygei 14.96
17 Jordanian 15.02
18 Azeri_Dagestan 15.1
19 Kumyk 15.44
20 Chechen 17.27



Georgian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.68
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.85
3 SW_Asian 19.8
4 WHG 10.32
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.99
6 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
8 W_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Adygei 6.3
2 Kumyk 6.8
3 Azeri 6.88
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.16
5 Kurd_N 8.2
6 Chechen 8.36
7 Georgian 8.37
8 Abkhasian 8.37
9 Iranian 9.35
10 Turkish 9.37
11 Armenian 10.27
12 Lezgin 11
13 Georgian_Jew 11.9
14 Kurd_C 13.1
15 Iranian_Jew 14.2
16 Druze 17.45
17 Cypriot 17.72
18 Iraqi_Jew 18.02
19 Lebanese 18.19
20 Syrian 18.71



Georgian (possibly Abkhazian)


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.12
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.61
3 SW_Asian 19.55
4 WHG 9.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.44
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.47
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 5.01
2 Abkhasian 5.16
3 Kurd_N 5.79
4 Azeri 6.44
5 Iranian 7.45
6 Azeri_Dagestan 7.76
7 Adygei 8.45
8 Armenian 8.91
9 Kumyk 9.5
10 Kurd_C 10.39
11 Chechen 10.54
12 Georgian_Jew 11.38
13 Turkish 11.41
14 Lezgin 12.69
15 Iranian_Jew 13.16
16 Druze 17.84
17 Iraqi_Jew 17.9
18 Cypriot 18.69
19 Lebanese 19.14
20 Syrian 19.62



Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.55
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 24.62
3 SW_Asian 18.47
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.92
6 Siberian_E_Asian 4.65
7 SE_Asian 3.27
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 4.72
2 Azeri 7.7
3 Adygei 9.07
4 Kumyk 9.32
5 Georgian 11.3
6 Armenian 11.44
7 Kurd_N 11.44
8 Azeri_Dagestan 11.49
9 Abkhasian 11.75
10 Iranian 11.85
11 Chechen 12.09
12 Georgian_Jew 13.07
13 Iranian_Jew 15.07
14 Lezgin 15.17
15 Kurd_C 15.31
16 Cypriot 16.21
17 Druze 16.9
18 Lebanese 17.13
19 Iraqi_Jew 18.15
20 Syrian 18.25


Turk from west Turkey
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.4
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
3 SW_Asian 18.8
4 WHG 14.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.73
6 Siberian_E_Asian 6.23
7 SE_Asian 2.42
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.84
9 W_African 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.63
2 Kumyk 8.97
3 Adygei 10.07
4 Chechen 12.04
5 Azeri 12.23
6 Azeri_Dagestan 14.1
7 Lezgin 14.96
8 Kurd_N 16.43
9 Iranian 16.51
10 Armenian 16.82
11 Sicilian 17.16
12 Georgian 17.5
13 Abkhasian 17.55
14 Georgian_Jew 17.6
15 Maltese 18.08
16 Cypriot 18.23
17 Greek 18.48
18 Lebanese 18.91
19 Syrian 19.48
20 Druze 19.82


and my results again . I am Kurdish



# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



it is time to accept that the notion that we are "south asian shifted" is bullshit and misinformation . we have nothing to do with south asians . we only have some ancient southcentral asian ("IndoIranian" . pashtun or baloch like) ancestry (about 20% ) thats it . we are mostly Caucasus and East Med .

7% - 2% is a 5% difference, and is not much. I could easily say you have nearly twice as much sw asian as a Turk does and therefore you should stop identifying with them. Finns have 6-10% Siberian, but they are are still considered Europeans. Anyone who considers afghans "south Central Asian" is just dumb. Genetics aside, they have close ties with Iran more than any other country.

['owight Gavnah]

we score only a bit higher than turks if anything and we score very usual amounts just like other west asians while afghans score a big amount more than us

here some more results for you

Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.38
3 SW_Asian 23.91
4 WHG 8.59
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.7
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.48
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 4.65
2 Kurd_N 6.68
3 Georgian_Jew 7.21
4 Azeri 7.55
5 Georgian 7.84
6 Iranian_Jew 8.84
7 Iranian 9.2
8 Turkish 9.45
9 Abkhasian 9.7
10 Druze 12.25
11 Iraqi_Jew 12.64
12 Adygei 12.95
13 Azeri_Dagestan 13.15
14 Cypriot 13.36
15 Kumyk 13.49
16 Kurd_C 13.68
17 Lebanese 13.79
18 Syrian 14.7
19 Chechen 15.36
20 Jordanian 16.72


Armenian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 34.59
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.57
3 SW_Asian 23.37
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.48
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.06
7 W_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.05
2 Georgian_Jew 8.24
3 Georgian 8.57
4 Turkish 9.18
5 Kurd_N 9.65
6 Iranian_Jew 9.73
7 Azeri 10.05
8 Abkhasian 10.93
9 Cypriot 11.17
10 Druze 11.6
11 Iranian 12.4
12 Iraqi_Jew 12.77
13 Lebanese 13.2
14 Adygei 13.69
15 Kumyk 14.37
16 Azeri_Dagestan 14.67
17 Syrian 14.92
18 Kurd_C 15
19 Chechen 16.31
20 Jordanian 16.49



Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 33.76
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.02
3 SW_Asian 25.5
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.47
5 WHG 5.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.1
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.85
8 SE_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.04
2 Georgian_Jew 6.07
3 Iranian_Jew 7.55
4 Kurd_N 9.6
5 Georgian 9.73
6 Druze 10.05
7 Azeri 10.09
8 Turkish 10.16
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.76
10 Cypriot 11.36
11 Abkhasian 11.77
12 Lebanese 11.84
13 Iranian 12.17
14 Syrian 13.67
15 Kurd_C 14.58
16 Adygei 14.96
17 Jordanian 15.02
18 Azeri_Dagestan 15.1
19 Kumyk 15.44
20 Chechen 17.27



Georgian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.68
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.85
3 SW_Asian 19.8
4 WHG 10.32
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.99
6 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
8 W_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Adygei 6.3
2 Kumyk 6.8
3 Azeri 6.88
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.16
5 Kurd_N 8.2
6 Chechen 8.36
7 Georgian 8.37
8 Abkhasian 8.37
9 Iranian 9.35
10 Turkish 9.37
11 Armenian 10.27
12 Lezgin 11
13 Georgian_Jew 11.9
14 Kurd_C 13.1
15 Iranian_Jew 14.2
16 Druze 17.45
17 Cypriot 17.72
18 Iraqi_Jew 18.02
19 Lebanese 18.19
20 Syrian 18.71



Georgian (possibly Abkhazian)


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.12
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.61
3 SW_Asian 19.55
4 WHG 9.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.44
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.47
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 5.01
2 Abkhasian 5.16
3 Kurd_N 5.79
4 Azeri 6.44
5 Iranian 7.45
6 Azeri_Dagestan 7.76
7 Adygei 8.45
8 Armenian 8.91
9 Kumyk 9.5
10 Kurd_C 10.39
11 Chechen 10.54
12 Georgian_Jew 11.38
13 Turkish 11.41
14 Lezgin 12.69
15 Iranian_Jew 13.16
16 Druze 17.84
17 Iraqi_Jew 17.9
18 Cypriot 18.69
19 Lebanese 19.14
20 Syrian 19.62



Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.55
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 24.62
3 SW_Asian 18.47
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.92
6 Siberian_E_Asian 4.65
7 SE_Asian 3.27
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 4.72
2 Azeri 7.7
3 Adygei 9.07
4 Kumyk 9.32
5 Georgian 11.3
6 Armenian 11.44
7 Kurd_N 11.44
8 Azeri_Dagestan 11.49
9 Abkhasian 11.75
10 Iranian 11.85
11 Chechen 12.09
12 Georgian_Jew 13.07
13 Iranian_Jew 15.07
14 Lezgin 15.17
15 Kurd_C 15.31
16 Cypriot 16.21
17 Druze 16.9
18 Lebanese 17.13
19 Iraqi_Jew 18.15
20 Syrian 18.25


Turk from west Turkey
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.4
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
3 SW_Asian 18.8
4 WHG 14.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.73
6 Siberian_E_Asian 6.23
7 SE_Asian 2.42
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.84
9 W_African 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.63
2 Kumyk 8.97
3 Adygei 10.07
4 Chechen 12.04
5 Azeri 12.23
6 Azeri_Dagestan 14.1
7 Lezgin 14.96
8 Kurd_N 16.43
9 Iranian 16.51
10 Armenian 16.82
11 Sicilian 17.16
12 Georgian 17.5
13 Abkhasian 17.55
14 Georgian_Jew 17.6
15 Maltese 18.08
16 Cypriot 18.23
17 Greek 18.48
18 Lebanese 18.91
19 Syrian 19.48
20 Druze 19.82


and my results again . I am Kurdish



# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



it is time to accept that the notion that we are "south asian shifted" is bullshit and misinformation . we have nothing to do with south asians . we only have some ancient southcentral asian ("IndoIranian" . pashtun or baloch like) ancestry (about 20% ) thats it . we are mostly Caucasus and East Med .

When did I say that? I said the more east you go the higher the ASI, generally speaking. Iranians score 3.6% ASI, while EASTERN/SOUTH afghans score 6-9%. Western afghans probably will score from 5-9%. The very thing you said I agree, only applied to afghans lol.

['owight Gavnah]

we score only a bit higher than turks if anything and we score very usual amounts just like other west asians while afghans score a big amount more than us

here some more results for you

Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.38
3 SW_Asian 23.91
4 WHG 8.59
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.7
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.48
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 4.65
2 Kurd_N 6.68
3 Georgian_Jew 7.21
4 Azeri 7.55
5 Georgian 7.84
6 Iranian_Jew 8.84
7 Iranian 9.2
8 Turkish 9.45
9 Abkhasian 9.7
10 Druze 12.25
11 Iraqi_Jew 12.64
12 Adygei 12.95
13 Azeri_Dagestan 13.15
14 Cypriot 13.36
15 Kumyk 13.49
16 Kurd_C 13.68
17 Lebanese 13.79
18 Syrian 14.7
19 Chechen 15.36
20 Jordanian 16.72


Armenian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 34.59
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.57
3 SW_Asian 23.37
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.48
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.06
7 W_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.05
2 Georgian_Jew 8.24
3 Georgian 8.57
4 Turkish 9.18
5 Kurd_N 9.65
6 Iranian_Jew 9.73
7 Azeri 10.05
8 Abkhasian 10.93
9 Cypriot 11.17
10 Druze 11.6
11 Iranian 12.4
12 Iraqi_Jew 12.77
13 Lebanese 13.2
14 Adygei 13.69
15 Kumyk 14.37
16 Azeri_Dagestan 14.67
17 Syrian 14.92
18 Kurd_C 15
19 Chechen 16.31
20 Jordanian 16.49



Armenian


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 33.76
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 28.02
3 SW_Asian 25.5
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.47
5 WHG 5.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.1
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.85
8 SE_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.04
2 Georgian_Jew 6.07
3 Iranian_Jew 7.55
4 Kurd_N 9.6
5 Georgian 9.73
6 Druze 10.05
7 Azeri 10.09
8 Turkish 10.16
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.76
10 Cypriot 11.36
11 Abkhasian 11.77
12 Lebanese 11.84
13 Iranian 12.17
14 Syrian 13.67
15 Kurd_C 14.58
16 Adygei 14.96
17 Jordanian 15.02
18 Azeri_Dagestan 15.1
19 Kumyk 15.44
20 Chechen 17.27



Georgian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.68
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.85
3 SW_Asian 19.8
4 WHG 10.32
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.99
6 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
8 W_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Adygei 6.3
2 Kumyk 6.8
3 Azeri 6.88
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.16
5 Kurd_N 8.2
6 Chechen 8.36
7 Georgian 8.37
8 Abkhasian 8.37
9 Iranian 9.35
10 Turkish 9.37
11 Armenian 10.27
12 Lezgin 11
13 Georgian_Jew 11.9
14 Kurd_C 13.1
15 Iranian_Jew 14.2
16 Druze 17.45
17 Cypriot 17.72
18 Iraqi_Jew 18.02
19 Lebanese 18.19
20 Syrian 18.71



Georgian (possibly Abkhazian)


# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.12
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.61
3 SW_Asian 19.55
4 WHG 9.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.44
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.47
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 5.01
2 Abkhasian 5.16
3 Kurd_N 5.79
4 Azeri 6.44
5 Iranian 7.45
6 Azeri_Dagestan 7.76
7 Adygei 8.45
8 Armenian 8.91
9 Kumyk 9.5
10 Kurd_C 10.39
11 Chechen 10.54
12 Georgian_Jew 11.38
13 Turkish 11.41
14 Lezgin 12.69
15 Iranian_Jew 13.16
16 Druze 17.84
17 Iraqi_Jew 17.9
18 Cypriot 18.69
19 Lebanese 19.14
20 Syrian 19.62



Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.55
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 24.62
3 SW_Asian 18.47
4 WHG 8.73
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.92
6 Siberian_E_Asian 4.65
7 SE_Asian 3.27
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 4.72
2 Azeri 7.7
3 Adygei 9.07
4 Kumyk 9.32
5 Georgian 11.3
6 Armenian 11.44
7 Kurd_N 11.44
8 Azeri_Dagestan 11.49
9 Abkhasian 11.75
10 Iranian 11.85
11 Chechen 12.09
12 Georgian_Jew 13.07
13 Iranian_Jew 15.07
14 Lezgin 15.17
15 Kurd_C 15.31
16 Cypriot 16.21
17 Druze 16.9
18 Lebanese 17.13
19 Iraqi_Jew 18.15
20 Syrian 18.25


Turk from west Turkey
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 28.4
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.71
3 SW_Asian 18.8
4 WHG 14.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.73
6 Siberian_E_Asian 6.23
7 SE_Asian 2.42
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.84
9 W_African 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.63
2 Kumyk 8.97
3 Adygei 10.07
4 Chechen 12.04
5 Azeri 12.23
6 Azeri_Dagestan 14.1
7 Lezgin 14.96
8 Kurd_N 16.43
9 Iranian 16.51
10 Armenian 16.82
11 Sicilian 17.16
12 Georgian 17.5
13 Abkhasian 17.55
14 Georgian_Jew 17.6
15 Maltese 18.08
16 Cypriot 18.23
17 Greek 18.48
18 Lebanese 18.91
19 Syrian 19.48
20 Druze 19.82


and my results again . I am Kurdish



# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36



it is time to accept that the notion that we are "south asian shifted" is bullshit and misinformation . we have nothing to do with south asians . we only have some ancient southcentral asian ("IndoIranian" . pashtun or baloch like) ancestry (about 20% ) thats it . we are mostly Caucasus and East Med .

When did I say that? I said the more east you go the higher the ASI, generally speaking. Iranians score 3.6% ASI, while EASTERN/SOUTH afghans score 6-9%. Western afghans probably will score from 5-9%. The very thing you said I agree, only applied to afghans lol.

['owight Gavnah]

It seems 10-20% ASI is normal for Afghanistan and its neighboring countries. It's my personal estimate based on anthrogenica.com threads. So maybe it's completely wrong.

And what is this so-called "ASI" admixture? Is it related to those very dark-skinned Indians or another archaic population?

How is 10-20% ASI normal when I just showed you we score less than 10% ASI ? Are people in this forum all right in the head? Such ignorant people here

[Hadouken]

7% - 2% is a 5% difference, and is not much.

it is tbh. . but as I said 7% is not nearly as much as indians score of course



I could easily say you have nearly twice as much sw asian as a Turk does

well you COULD . but that would be a lie . check again . the turks score around 18% and I score 20% lol


Finns have 6-10% Siberian, but they are are still considered Europeans.

no relation to what we discuss here . especially since the other components that finns score are very "normal" european



Anyone who considers afghans "south Central Asian" is just dumb. Genetics aside, they have close ties with Iran more than any other country.

Afghans are central asians with ties to west asia and some south asia . if you think otherwise go ahead I have no problem with it . you can feel close to who you want of course . I am just sharing my views

['owight Gavnah]

It seems 10-20% ASI is normal for Afghanistan and its neighboring countries. It's my personal estimate based on anthrogenica.com threads. So maybe it's completely wrong.

And what is this so-called "ASI" admixture? Is it related to those very dark-skinned Indians or another archaic population?

How is 10-20% ASI normal when I just showed you we score less than 10% ASI ? Are people in this forum all right in the head? Such ignorant people here

[Hadouken]

has anybody else have a database problem like me right now ? when I post it says there is an error and I can not see the thread updating

[Hadouken]

anybody else has a database error right now ? when I post it says there is an error and I can not see the thread updating

[Hadouken]

anybody else has a database error right now ? when I post it says there is an error and I can not see the thread updating...

['owight Gavnah]

Turks score 21% SW Asian

https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

[Purohit ji]

Normal Indian range for ASI is 12 to 24

[Hadouken]

database error

[Myanthropologies]

it is tbh. . but as I said 7% is not nearly as much as indians score of course



well you COULD . but that would be a lie . check again . the turks score around 18% and I score 20% lol



no relation to what we discuss here . especially since the other components that finns score are very "normal" european



Afghans are central asians with ties to west asia and some south asia . if you think otherwise go ahead I have no problem with it . you can feel close to who you want of course . I am just sharing my views

The other components that afghans score are European and West Asian components, how are Finns European if Afghans can't be west asian. You always over exaggerate foreign influence in afghans despite them having more of the real west asian components genetically than Kurds do and depsite them still clustering genetically closest to west asian populations. They are not a "central asian population," they are clearly genetically closer to Iranics and Caucasians than to Kazakhs or something. Again, you are not the average Kurd. The average Kurd scores like 3-4% ASI, and the ASI levels in Iran are practically on board with Afghanistan. The difference is that Afghans have more steepe ancestry than Kurds and you guys have higher sw asian. There's also a little bit of east asian in some east iranics too. But that's it.

[Purohit ji]

Normal range for indians is 12-24 ASI

[Pahli]

If europeans score it its scythian roma or what?


# Population Percent
1 WHG 29.43
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 29.25
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 16.74
4 SW_Asian 15.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 8.8
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 3.41
2 Bulgarian 4.74
3 Tuscan 4.83
4 Greek 5.16
5 Sicilian 10.39
6 Spanish 10.62
7 Maltese 12.08
8 Croatian 13.72
9 French 14.35
10 French_South 16.43
11 Hungarian 16.84
12 English 19.72
13 Scottish 20.63
14 Czech 21.67
15 Sardinian 22.47
16 Ukrainian 23.17
17 Turkish 23.31
18 Norwegian 23.58
19 Cypriot 25.24
20 Icelandic 25.4

Might be from your Caucasian admixture, Yamnaya carried up to 1 - 2% ASI.

[Hadouken]

I cant see some posts it seems

database error

[LoLeL]

^Smart dude, I guess your brain and eyes do not function very well. Read my post again:

It seems 10-20% ASI is normal for Afghanistan and its neighboring countries. It's my personal estimate based on anthrogenica.com threads. So maybe it's completely wrong.

Is it really hard to understand those simple sentences? Now if you're a non-ignorant member, answer my question:

And what is this so-called "ASI" admixture? Is it related to those very dark-skinned Indians or another archaic population?

[Purohit ji]

Normal indian range for ASI is 12-24.

[Halgurd]

My result:

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.88
2 SW_Asian 22.17
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 19.35
4 WHG 8.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.55
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.68
7 SE_Asian 2.3
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.81
9 W_African 0.08

[Hadouken]

I cant see any of your posts after post 70 xD I wonder if you can see mine lel

[Böri]

Western Turk

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.74
2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
6 Near_East 5.53
7 East_Siberian 4.73
8 Arctic 3.48
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
10 North_African 2.41
11 South_East_Asian 1.61
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
13 Australoid 1.01

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
4 Turk @ 10.355407
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
7 Nogai @ 12.231788
8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
13 Cretan @ 16.682146
14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
15 Circassian @ 17.177387
16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
19 Greek @ 17.602461
20 Kabardin @ 17.636078



Central Turk

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.31
2 South_Central_Asian 15.26
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.84
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.22
5 Near_East 7.04
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.65
7 North_African 3.22
8 East_Siberian 3.10
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.93
10 South_Indian 2.16
11 South_East_Asian 1.89
12 Arctic 1.38
13 Austronesian 1.13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.737835
2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.813556
3 Turk @ 6.077835
4 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.110736
5 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.148629
6 Turk_Adana @ 9.458119
7 Azov_Greek @ 11.132698
8 Cirkassian @ 11.776154
9 Georgian_Jew @ 11.866308
10 Azeri @ 12.888172
11 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 13.112051
12 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 13.312876
13 Kurd_North @ 13.387503
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.471828
15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.534709
16 Kumyk @ 13.995822
17 Nogai @ 14.846873
18 Kabardin @ 14.934309
19 Kurd_South @ 15.271072
20 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 15.579026

[Myanthropologies]

it is tbh. . but as I said 7% is not nearly as much as indians score of course



well you COULD . but that would be a lie . check again . the turks score around 18% and I score 20% lol



no relation to what we discuss here . especially since the other components that finns score are very "normal" european



Afghans are central asians with ties to west asia and some south asia . if you think otherwise go ahead I have no problem with it . you can feel close to who you want of course . I am just sharing my views

The other components that afghans score are European and West Asian components, how are Finns European if Afghans can't be west asian? You always over exaggerate foreign influence in afghans despite them having more of the real west asian components genetically than Kurds do and depsite them still clustering genetically closest to west asian populations. They are not a "central asian population," they are clearly genetically closer to Iranics and Caucasians than to Kazakhs or something. Again, you are not the average Kurd. The average Kurd scores like 3-4% ASI, and the ASI levels in Iran are practically on board with Afghanistan. The difference is that Afghans have more steepe ancestry than Kurds and you have more sw asian stuff. Some east iranics may also have minor east asian influence, and that is it.

[meisje]

.......

[Hadouken]

now I can see some more posts but not all . I will answer to those I can see right now


The other components that afghans score are European and West Asian components, how are Finns European if Afghans can't be west asian.

because the south asian is relatively a lot higher than in west asians AND afghans dont score much med either (which west asians score in a high amount) . and even on cluster maps afghans are NOT in the west asian cluster

what I say makes perfect sense actually


You always over exaggerate foreign influence in afghans despite them having more of the real west asian components genetically than Kurds do

lol so afghans are more west asian than us kurds who are one of the west asian ethnicities in every way be it genetically , geographically , phenotypically etc. etc. ? you are fucking kidding me now right ?



Again, you are not the average Kurd. The average Kurd scores like 3-4% ASI, and the ASI levels in Iran are practically on board with Afghanistan. The difference is that Afghans have more steepe ancestry than Kurds and you guys have higher sw asian. There's also a little bit of east asian in some east iranics too. But that's it.

3% is the highest I have seen so far for kurds . I also posted more kurdish results ...not only mine :picard2:

afghans have : less southwest asian yes , also a lot less med , strongly more south asian , some more baltic

[meisje]

71.1% Pashtun_Afghan + 28.9% Adygei 3.09

Lol.
There's nothing to accept you imbecile, I already said pubjabi jats are close to us...it's inevitable afghans will score higher ASI than their western neighbors, the more east you go the higher the Asi, Iranians and Kurds score higher ASI than Turks, we score higher ASI than them. Central Asians such as Kyrgyz who have NO affinity with south Asians regarding culture, genetics, phenotype also score some ASI....should they "accept" their "Indian" genes? No. Now get out of my thread you cockroach.

Do you have problems with understanding, Indian shifted Retarded Monkey, South Indian component is mixture of ASI and ANI, It does not make you less Indian shifted

when You score 9% ASI, You cannot replace ASI with South Indian component what you are trying now, You Low IQ Parasite Refugee

Turks score 1% South Indian in MDLPk23b, Retarded Afghanroach,Iranians and Kurds also 2-3%, On the other side, It is different story for Afghans, Look at Oracles

I have posted instead of writing stupid things.

[lameduck]

just one question are Kurds (in general) easy to tell apart from other ethnicities in Iran?

[Hadouken]

just one question are Kurds (in general) easy to tell apart from other ethnicities in Iran?

not sure about Iranian Kurds but most Iranians I have seen/known look foreign for my area

[lameduck]

not sure about Iranian Kurds but most Iranians I have seen/known look foreign for my area

thanks

['owight Gavnah]

Do you have problems with understanding, Indian shifted Retarded Monkey, South Indian component is mixture of ASI and ANI, It does not make you less Indian shifted

when You score 9% ASI, You cannot replace ASI with South Indian component what you are trying now, You Low IQ Parasite Refugee

Turks score 1% South Indian in MDLPk23b, Retarded Afghanroach,Iranians and Kurds also 2-3%, On the other side, It is different story for Afghans, Look at Oracles

I have posted instead of writing stupid things.

I'm pretty sure your mother was on crack when she gave birth to you. You are actually worse than a retard fffs

Can't you see that this calculator is very accurate for breaking the ASI down for south and central Asians? Kurds and Turk score the EXACT same amount of ASI in both calculators, however for south central Asians and northwest south Asians it's slightly different. It's BECAUSE of the ANI you imbecile, are you retarded for real? It means the 7-9% ASI is much more realistic and a accurate measurement of ASI in that region.

The south Asian component or South Indian in most calculators other than K9 ASI contains a big chunk of Western Eurasian like ANI, that's what is being broken down in this calculator.

[Hadouken]

there is no need to insult each other

[gültekin]

Even South Indians come up as only 30% South Indian in this calculator LOL. Nice try

[gültekin]

I'm pretty sure your mother was on crack when she gave birth to you. You are actually worse than a retard fffs


Now this behaviour is a result of your angry Onge ancestry it is so obvious.

[gültekin]

Paniya people (south indians) score only 39% south indian on this calculator check the spreadsheet, it definitely underestimates "south indian" admix, the component's name is also misleading.

So this woman below (paniya, south indian woman) is only 39% south indian according to this calculator and Pashtuns are only 8% :laugh:

https://joshidaniel.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/paniya-tribal-woman-wayanad.jpg?w=600

[gültekin]

The south Asian component or South Indian in most calculators other than K9 ASI contains a big chunk of Western Eurasian like ANI, that's what is being broken down in this calculator.

South Indian components are based on South Indian genomes, that's why they are named as such you fucking bacha-bazi boy. We all know south indians have west eurasian admix too, otherwise they would look straight out of papua. The thing is you can't get over the fucking fact that Pashtuns are 20% South Indian like and this calculator underestimates South Indian, even south indians themselves come up as 30-40% south indian in this calculator. So either change the fucking component's name to something else other than "South Indian" or get the over the fact that you are 20% South Indian-like.

[Halgurd]

just one question are Kurds (in general) easy to tell apart from other ethnicities in Iran?

For me no.

[Norka]

LoL I'm not Papuan
1 WHG 39.67
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 16.62
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 15.3
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 14.18
5 Siberian_E_Asian 6.98
6 SW_Asian 4.01
7 SE_Asian 2.44
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.79
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 9.16
2 Hungarian 9.21
3 Scottish 9.24
4 Russian 9.87
5 Czech 10.34
6 Norwegian 10.36
7 English 10.77
8 Tatars 11.39
9 Croatian 11.62
10 Icelandic 12.07
11 Belarusian 12.45
12 French 13.06
13 Finnish 14.95
14 Karelia 15.95
15 RISE_baBb 16.9
16 Bulgarian 16.9
17 Estonian 17.15
18 Lithuanian 17.84
19 RISE_irSca 18.51
20 French_South 19.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% English + 48.6% Tatars @ 1.47
2 55.4% Scottish + 44.6% Tatars @ 1.89
3 52.5% Czech + 47.5% Tatars @ 2.22
4 85.8% Ukrainian + 14.2% RISE_irRus @ 2.44
5 52.5% Norwegian + 47.5% Tatars @ 2.54
6 55.6% Hungarian + 44.4% Tatars @ 2.56
7 77.7% English + 22.3% RISE_irAltai @ 2.67
8 84.3% Czech + 15.7% RISE_irRus @ 2.81
9 85.8% Scottish + 14.2% RISE_irRus @ 2.81
10 55.9% Ukrainian + 44.1% Tatars @ 2.91
11 74.6% Icelandic + 25.4% Turkmen_Afghan @ 3.01
12 51.6% Tatars + 48.4% Icelandic @ 3.13
13 79.1% Norwegian + 20.9% Uzbek @ 3.16
14 86.9% Ukrainian + 13.1% Altaian @ 3.2
15 83.8% English + 16.2% RISE_irRus @ 3.22
16 84.4% Norwegian + 15.6% RISE_irRus @ 3.24
17 80.8% Scottish + 19.2% RISE_irAltai @ 3.25
18 77.7% Norwegian + 22.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 3.26
19 78.8% Czech + 21.2% RISE_irAltai @ 3.26
20 76.2% Icelandic + 23.8% Uzbek @ 3.28

[Myanthropologies]

because the south asian is relatively a lot higher than in west asians AND afghans dont score much med either (which west asians score in a high amount) . and even on cluster maps afghans are NOT in the west asian cluster

There are barely any "cluster maps" with Afghan Pashtuns in them, only the pathans. The ones that do have afghan pashtuns show them clustering near west asians most of the time.


lol so afghans are more west asian than us kurds who are one of the west asian ethnicities in every way be it genetically , geographically , phenotypically etc. etc. ? you are fucking kidding me now right ?

By west asian I don't mean syrio-kurdish-sw asian-Circassian combo, I mean the actual west asian components. They are genetically closest to Afghans and North caucasians. So Afghans are genetically just as West Asian. That is why afghans are genetically closer to North caucasians populations than they are to Kurds.




3% is the highest I have seen so far for kurds . I also posted more kurdish results ...not only mine :picard2:

Samaritan has already said that some non Balochi Kurds scored a lot higher south indian than he did, so such Kurds exist.


afghans have : less southwest asian yes , also a lot less med , strongly more south asian , some more baltic

If you think they have "strongly more indian" and that it is their indian component that shifts them away from Kurds, you're delusional cause it's not. I also love how you said "STRONGLY more indian" but just "SOME more baltic" when it is a fact that the Indian scores between a Kurd and a Pashtun are more comparable to each other than their baltic score is. As you clearly saw in the first page, the average WHG + EHG scores for the afghans on the first page was 20-21%, when you only scored 12% combined, Samaritan only has 9% combined. That's an 8-9% (almost 10%) difference for you, and Afghans have 13% more baltic than Samaritan does. On the other hand, both of your south indian scores are much more comparable by a long shot than the baltic scores are. Afghans score 6-7% on average, Samaritan scored 3%, you scored about 2%. That's a 3-4% difference in ASI scores for Samaritan and Afghans, and a 5% difference for you. The reason you shift away is because you have a huge chunk of arabian admixture that we do not have, and that is why are closer to North caucasians populations genetically than we are to Kurds. It has nothing to do with the Indian ancestry. It's primarily our lack of med ancestry and greatly increased baltic ancestry compared to yours.

[Milo]

Paniya people (south indians) score only 39% south indian on this calculator check the spreadsheet, it definitely underestimates "south indian" admix, the component's name is also misleading.

So this woman below (paniya, south indian woman) is only 39% south indian according to this calculator and Pashtuns are only 8% :laugh:




South Indian components are based on South Indian genomes, that's why they are named as such you fucking bacha-bazi boy. We all know south indians have west eurasian admix too, otherwise they would look straight out of papua. The thing is you can't get over the fucking fact that Pashtuns are 20% South Indian like and this calculator underestimates South Indian, even south indians themselves come up as 30-40% south indian in this calculator. So either change the fucking component's name to something else other than "South Indian" or get the over the fact that you are 20% South Indian-like.The "South Indian" component is half CHG half ASI(Ancestral South Indian/East Eurasian). Even the most East Eurasian shifted South Indians(tribal groups like Paniyars) score only around 40% or so ASI. South Indians generally score 50-70% South Indian which is 25-35% ASI/East Eurasian.

[Arcadefire]

Now this behaviour is a result of your angry Onge ancestry it is so obvious.
Once are actually peace loving people without religions :lol:

[Hadouken]

There are barely any "cluster maps" with Afghan Pashtuns in them, only the pathans. The ones that do have afghan pashtuns and pathans show them clustering near west asians most of the time..

ok then . can you show me ? (I am genuinely interested)




By west asian I don't mean syrio-kurdish-sw asian-Circassian combo, I mean the actual west asian components. They are genetically closest to Afghans and North caucasians. So Afghans are genetically just as West Asian. That is why afghans are genetically closer to North caucasians populations than they are to Kurds.

you are mixing stuff up . you are talking about CHG right ? yes afghans score a lot of it . BUT 1. not more (or much more) than we do and 2. that is not the only criteria for "west asianness" . the other components have to be similar too . and geographically alone afghans are out which makes it even more natural that there are differences to west asians

ok so afghans are closer to north caucasians . no problem :)




Samaritan has already said that some non Balochi Kurds scored a lot higher south indian than he did, so such Kurds exist.

he shall show me . (we are talking about this eurasia k9 calculator right ? it is not possible that an ethnic Kurd score "a lot higher" ASI than 3% which is already on the higher limit)



If you think they have "strongly more indian" and that it is their indian component that shifts them away from Kurds, you're delusional cause it's not. I also love how you said "STRONGLY more indian" but just "SOME more baltic" when it is a fact that the Indian scores between a Kurd and a Pashtun are more comparable to each other than their baltic score is. As you clearly saw in the first page, the average WHG + EHG scores for the afghans on the first page was 20-21%, when you only scored 12% combined, Samaritan only has 9% combined. That's an 8-9% (almost 10%) difference for you, and Afghans have 13% more baltic than Samaritan does. On the other hand, both of your south indian scores are much more comparable by a long shot than the baltic scores are. Afghans score 6-7% on average, Samaritan scored 3%, you scored about 2%. That's a 3-4% difference in ASI scores for Samaritan and Afghans, and a 5% difference for you. The reason you shift away is because you have a huge chunk of arabian admixture that we do not have, and that is why are closer to North caucasians populations genetically than we are to Kurds. It has nothing to do with the Indian ancestry. It's primarily our lack of med ancestry and greatly increased baltic ancestry compared to yours.

I didnt have the baltic in front of my eyes and didnt want to say something wrong . if it is a lot more then so be it ...you can have it :p

as I told you on this calculator the difference between 2% and 7% IS a LOT . especially since south indians even dont score more than around 35% on this calc as gültekin said .

and we dont have a lot of "arabian admix" . sw asian and arabian are not the same otherwise Georgians wouldnt score so high on this calculator . Red Sea is Arabian . and I score only 6% red sea (eurogenes k13)

if you think that the sw asian makes the difference between kurds and afghans then I can not help you any further in this issue . I dont know what we are discussing right now ....we have visible data . it is almost as if I say that the color of TA forum is blue and you say "nooo it is green" ...like wtf

I would like to stop playing ping pong with you now :( it is tiresome . I wont reply with a lot of text

['owight Gavnah]

South Indian components are based on South Indian genomes, that's why they are named as such you fucking bacha-bazi boy. We all know south indians have west eurasian admix too, otherwise they would look straight out of papua. The thing is you can't get over the fucking fact that Pashtuns are 20% South Indian like and this calculator underestimates South Indian, even south indians themselves come up as 30-40% south indian in this calculator. So either change the fucking component's name to something else other than "South Indian" or get the over the fact that you are 20% South Indian-like.


You low life, there are no ancient genomes which represent a full ASI population, they are using populations such as their ONGE and andamese populations who DONT score 39% but 63% as a proxy to ASI. No population in any calculator is modelled as 100% ASI. Nonetheless, a quarter of 63 is 15.9, afghans score half of that, meaning we are only 12.5 ASI according to your method. Is much easier doing it in your head it's confusing when you write it. I'm sure you are good at maths.

If your so educated at all this, why don't you hit up Kurd and tell him this, surely you knw I more than him right ? The fact is your a complex low life whose got nothing better to do you Turco Mongol

Quick maths
100 x 0.25= 25/2= 12.5 which is the same as 63x0.25= 15.9/2= 7.95

The "20" South Indian is greatly estimated...and this is according TO YOUR method, by saying that South Indian populations scores 30-40%, which they don't, they score 60%.

['owight Gavnah]

Left is the west Asian north cacausus, Iranian, Kurdish etc cluster , right is afghan Pashtun and Tajik. Green is the levant.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2mewqkp.png

[turbosat]

Why/how would Kurds have mixed with Balochis? How is that even possible?

The member Kurd is a Baloch from the Baloch clan "Kurd" afaik

Its possible. e.g. After 1610 many Kurds were expelled from their areas towards North East Iran. Some might have gone East towards Baluchistan and Afghanistan at that time or later or even earlier. That's just one instance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_of_Khorasan
Kormanj Kurds were moved from north west of Iran after the 1610 war between Kurds and the Safavid Empire. After the Safavids massacred a large number of Soorani and Kurmanj Kurds in the 1610 war, a large number of them were moved by force to Khorasan, in the eastern part of Iran, in order to weaken and divide them.[3]


Member Kurd is not a Baloch. He is Kurdish origin afaik, mixed with Baloch I think or Pakistani. He has given his background there on that website. His family originally was settled in East Iran, somewhere in Baloch province there from what I remember, then moved further east.

[Purohit ji]

Afghans are 50% indian. If we go by asi score. Paniyar are a fringe group. My community south indian score on harrapa is 31%(just one sample). It means around 15% asi. And Afghans 7%. And you all know i look pure asi

[Mortimer]

Afghans are 50% indian. If we go by asi score. Paniyar are a fringe group. My community south indian score on harrapa is 31%(just one sample). It means around 15% asi. And Afghans 7%. And you all know i look pure asi

you look badass bro, you are a strongman. i love you man.

[Böri]

Why Türks are part of this discussion? We dont cluster with any Indo-Iranians not Pashtuns and not Kurds.

[Pahli]

Why Türks are part of this discussion? We dont cluster with any Indo-Iranians not Pashtuns and not Kurds.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.jpg

[Purohit ji]

you look badass bro, you are a strongman. i love you man.

I love you too Mortimer bro

[Hadouken]

Why Türks are part of this discussion? We dont cluster with any Indo-Iranians not Pashtuns and not Kurds.

turks are not part of the discussion . turks were just mentioned shortly

you dont cluster with us and you are different . and dont mind zoran if you dont want the thread to turn into a topic about turks

bye

[Böri]

Map is biased and shows Georgians more north than Turks which is bs. Anyway even Abazas are closer to Kurds than to us. Ethnik who hate Turks and support PKK and YPG here want to cluster with Türks Lol so low and repulsive. Gtfo. Of course you are same group as Persians, Baloch, Talysh and Pashtuns. Now its time to unstick MENAs

[Pahli]

Map is biased and shows Georgians more north than Turks which is bs. Anyway even Abazas are closer to Kurds than to us. Ethnik who hate Turks and support PKK and YPG here want to cluster with Türks Lol so low and repulsive. Gtfo. Of course you are same group as Persians, Baloch, Talysh and Pashtuns. Now its time to unstick MENAs

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.53
2 South_Central_Asian 26.72
3 Near_East 10.27
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.3
5 North_African 5.26
6 South_Indian 2.41
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.36
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.27
9 South_East_Asian 1.21
10 Tungus-Altaic 1.16
11 Australoid 0.74
12 Archaic_Human 0.48
13 Archaic_African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 5.45
2 Kurd_East ( ) 5.59
3 Kurd_North ( ) 6.18
4 Kurd ( ) 6.72
5 Azeri ( ) 7.24
6 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.63
7 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 10.76
8 Baku_WGA ( ) 11.99
9 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 12.64
10 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 12.74
11 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 13.75
12 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 13.88
13 Iranian ( ) 13.91
14 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 14.22
15 Kurd_Jew ( ) 14.34
16 Turk ( ) 14.36
17 Georgian_Jew ( ) 15.17
18 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 15.26
19 Iraki ( ) 15.32
20 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 15.64

MDLP World 22:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West-Asian 44.46
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 18.7
3 Near_East 18.46
4 North-East-European 6.07
5 Indian 5.19
6 Indo-Iranian 4.72
7 South-African 0.71
8 Melanesian 0.71
9 Mesoamerican 0.43
10 Paleo-Siberian 0.36
11 Sub-Saharian 0.11
12 North-Amerind 0.07
13 Austronesian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri (derived) 6.03
2 Kurd (derived) 6.11
3 Turk (derived) 7.33
4 Iranian (derived) 8.54
5 Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) 9.18
6 Armenian (derived) 10.47
7 Jew_Tat (derived) 10.82
8 Jew_Azerbaijan (derived) 11.06
9 Jew_Kurd (derived) 11.46
10 Iraqi (derived) 12.14
11 Jew_Iraqi (derived) 13.43
12 Jew_Georgia (derived) 14.12
13 Kumyk (derived) 14.16
14 Jew-Iran (derived) 14.23
15 Jew-Iraqi (derived) 14.31
16 Georgian (derived) 14.65
17 Georgian_Laz (derived) 14.69
18 Cirkassian (derived) 15.65
19 Lebanese (derived) 15.84
20 Syrian (derived) 15.9

[gültekin]

Map is biased and shows Georgians more north than Turks which is bs. Anyway even Abazas are closer to Kurds than to us. Ethnik who hate Turks and support PKK and YPG here want to cluster with Türks Lol so low and repulsive. Gtfo. Of course you are same group as Persians, Baloch, Talysh and Pashtuns. Now its time to unstick MENAs

There are a billion different PCAs but he always posts the same one, that's his favorite bcs Turks look closer to his kin on that shitty pca. Anyway, PCAs are not good at estimating population proximities as they don't take many components into account. Georgians and Turks are different autosomally but they appear close on PCAs. Gedmatch oracle population approximation is much better, although it is not perfect either

Look at this one, even West Anatolian Turks (Aydin, Balikesir) cluster with Caucasus although they are autosomally mediterrenean + central asian, central asian admix pulls the Turks towards caucasus on pcas
http://i.hizliresim.com/m4j09V.png (http://hizliresim.com/m4j09V)

[Pahli]

There are a billion different PCAs but he always posts the same one, that's his favorite bcs Turks look closer to his kin on that shitty pca. Anyway, PCAs are not good at estimating population proximities as they don't take many components into account. Georgians and Turks are different autosomally but they appear close on PCAs. Gedmatch oracle population approximation is much better, although it is not perfect either

Look at this one, even West Anatolian Turks (Aydin, Balikesir) cluster with Caucasus although they are autosomally mediterrenean + central asian, central asian admix pulls the Turks towards caucasus on pcas
http://i.hizliresim.com/m4j09V.png (http://hizliresim.com/m4j09V)

Stop crying, they are within the same cluster area, regardless of the same PCA plot I use, I even posted two gedmatch results that plot me fairly close to your kind but you're always crying like a little bitchy girl :(

That would be like saying you keep using the same fucking calculator for various gedmatch results just because they make you more "Turkic" :laugh:

[Myanthropologies]

ok then . can you show me ? (I am genuinely interested)

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/received_226105177819364_zps0phnexbr.jpeg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/received_226105177819364_zps0phnexbr.jpeg.html)
If you're going to call everything in red a "European cluster," then you call everything in the light green section the "west asian cluster." Get over yourself and stop being a special snowflake.





you are mixing stuff up . you are talking about CHG right ? yes afghans score a lot of it . BUT 1. not more (or much more) than we do and 2. that is not the only criteria for "west asianness" . the other components have to be similar too . and geographically alone afghans are out which makes it even more natural that there are differences to west asians

Wrong. When was the last time you ever looked at a map?

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/received_226106887819193_zpsnblcknbm.jpeg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/received_226106887819193_zpsnblcknbm.jpeg.html)

Afghanistan is clearly west of the of the center of both asia (purple line) and eurasia (green line). They are neither south or North, but in the middle.







as I told you on this calculator the difference between 2% and 7% IS a LOT . especially since south indians even dont score more than around 35% on this calc as gültekin said .

No it's not. This factors out all the Australoid like component and this is a calculator specifically made to make the Indian component easier to see. All the caucasoid like input in South Indians comes from CHG like people, and the south indian result shows that.


and we dont have a lot of "arabian admix" . sw asian and arabian are not the same otherwise Georgians wouldnt score so high on this calculator . Red Sea is Arabian . and I score only 6% red sea (eurogenes k13)

Sw asia is arabia.


if you think that the sw asian makes the difference between kurds and afghans then I can not help you any further in this issue . I dont know what we are discussing right now ....we have visible data . it is almost as if I say that the color of TA forum is blue and you say "nooo it is green" ...like wtf

It is far far far more what is causing the problem than the ASI scores. You have more SW Asian and med, we lack med and have increased baltic.

[meisje]

Huge LOL This thread,Even a Gypsy scores only 4.3% ASI and mostly EURO,This calculator is completely Shit

['owight Gavnah]

Huge LOL This thread,Even a Gypsy scores only 4.3% ASI and mostly EURO,This calculator is completely Shit

Well given the fact that full gypsies themselves are more or less 25% south Asian, this Mortimer dude has direct European ancestry from his father. On top of all that, no south Asian population is Modeled as 100% ASI, gypsies most likely migrated from western India, most modern day Indian populations have major western Eurasian tendencies.

[Hadouken]

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/received_226105177819364_zps0phnexbr.jpeg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/received_226105177819364_zps0phnexbr.jpeg.html)
If you're going to call everything in red a "European cluster," then you call everything in the light green section the "west asian cluster." Get over yourself and stop being a special snowflake.

first of all which calculator is that ?

2nd. : in the european cluster there are ancient dna samples :picard2: ....ancient dna samples are not like todays dna samples . the saami who are one of the most east eurasian shifted europeans are even a lot more left positioned than those ancients lol

and there are 3 Tajik examples no pashtun and they are very far right positioned . what I find funny is that you usually complain about not enough afghan pashtun samples in cluster maps but now you show me one with 3 tajiks and no pashtuns . but thanks nonetheless ...this is the first map where I see afghans clustering so near to west asians .

and I already told you that afghans are not south asians to me :) you are actually saying the same as me mostly ...except that afghans still are not really/fully a west asian people ..this has nothing to do with me being "special" and I dont know why I should "get over myself " ? I didnt say anything bad towards you anyway . you dont have to be west asian to be a good people and I dont judge so dont misunderstand me ok

what you are saying to me right now is offensive . if you want to talk with me then please keep it civil




Wrong. When was the last time you ever looked at a map?

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/received_226106887819193_zpsnblcknbm.jpeg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/received_226106887819193_zpsnblcknbm.jpeg.html)

Afghanistan is clearly west of the of the center of both asia (purple line) and eurasia (green line). They are neither south or North, but in the middle.



yeah as I said CENTRAL asia :)





No it's not. This factors out all the Australoid like component and this is a calculator specifically made to make the Indian component easier to see. All the caucasoid like input in South Indians comes from CHG like people, and the south indian result shows that.


ON THIS CALCULATOR a difference of 5% IS big . and we are talking about a difference of 5% only when we regard the 7% scores of afghans which owight posted (you compared it to my 2% which is actually 1.88% and not even full 2% and the 7% of the afghans is rather a little higher than 7 but nevermind that) but many afghans he posted score 8-10%



Sw asia is arabia.

on this calculator it is not purely arab at all . the east med component is also fusioned in it . otherwise Georgians wouldnt score so much of it here . if you think that we have 20% Arab ancestry and even Georgians have 19-20% arab ancestry then you have misunderstood something. as I said if you want to look for "arab" component then you should take a look at the "Red Sea" component on eurogenes K13 ...that is a pure arabian component and I score 6% of it and the georgian samples I showed score 0.65% and 2.89%




It is far far far more what is causing the problem than the ASI scores. You have more SW Asian and med, we lack med and have increased baltic.

read above

[Purohit ji]

Funny thing is that there are indians who only score 12% asi. Lol

['owight Gavnah]

Funny thing is that there are indians who only score 12% asi. Lol

Please do share.

['owight Gavnah]

Ghilzai from paktia


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 46.78
2 WHG 11.5
3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.27
4 SW_Asian 9.65
5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 9.23
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 8.58
7 SE_Asian 1.82
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.83
9 W_African 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 6.25
2 Tajik_Pomiri 9.26
3 Pathan 11.53
4 Lezgin 13.68
5 Kalash 14.66
6 Azeri_Dagestan 15.29
7 Chechen 15.78
8 Balochi 15.98
9 Punjabi 16.06
10 Tajik_Afghan 16.21
11 Uzbek_Afghan 16.32
12 Burusho 16.47
13 Makrani 16.63
14 Kurd_SE 16.76
15 Kumyk 17.54
16 Adygei 17.63
17 Brahui 17.98
18 Iranian 18.54
19 Abkhasian 20.61
20 Azeri 20.8

[Purohit ji]

Please do share.

From what i observe this calculators asi is around 46-47% of harrapa south indian. Example bored score 15.3 on this calculator while 34 on harrapa. Monkey d luffy score 16.71 on k9 while 36 on harrapa south indian. Gumdum score 14.5 asi on k9 while 31 on harrapa south indian.
By looking at these examples we can safely say its 46-47 % of harrapa southindian. There are rajasthani jats and bhatias who score 25% south indian. And there 47% would be around 11.75 asi on k9

['owight Gavnah]

From what i observe this calculators asi is around 46-47% of harrapa south indian. Example bored score 15.3 on this calculator while 34 on harrapa. Monkey d luffy score 16.71 on k9 while 36 on harrapa south indian. Gumdum score 14.5 asi on k9 while 31 on harrapa south indian.
By looking at these examples we can safely say its 46-47 % of harrapa southindian. There are rajasthani jats and bhatias who score 25% south indian. And there 47% would be around 11.75 asi on k9

I've just been reading them thread on anthrogenica, it seems some ASI has leaked into the SE Asian component for many south Asians. It's a good calculator for now, hopefully Kurd can come up with a more accurate one. It's been some time since that calculator but fingers crossed. Btw to find out what they would score if the proxy populations were Modeled as 100% ASI relative to these results just do this:

E.g 7.5% ASI in K9

7.5/63.5( great andamese)= 0.118x 100= 11.8%.

15% ASI on k9
15/63.5=0.236x100=23.6%

3.5% ASI on k9
3.5/63.5=0.055x100= 5.5%

Basically the South Indian contains a lot of western Eurasian( all the calculators), we need ancient genomes from South Asia to specifically see what everyone comes up with.

Your spot on about the HAP South Indian being roughly 44-48% South Indian, However it defintley differs from ethnicity and more so individual to individual. For instance, one individual scored 22% South Indian on Harappa, however on K9 it was 9.43. His HAP South Indian contained pretty much 57% western Eurasian. Another individual scored the same amount of South Indian on Harappa, but his k9 was 10.5. His Harappa South Indian was 48% South Indian. It differs from individual to individual.

Another example is one individual scored 15.02 % South Indian on HAP, however on k9 it dropped to 5.37% . That means his South Indian on HAP contained roughly 64% western Eurasian and only 36% ASI.

[gum_dum]

From what i observe this calculators asi is around 46-47% of harrapa south indian. Example bored score 15.3 on this calculator while 34 on harrapa. Monkey d luffy score 16.71 on k9 while 36 on harrapa south indian. Gumdum score 14.5 asi on k9 while 31 on harrapa south indian.
By looking at these examples we can safely say its 46-47 % of harrapa southindian. There are rajasthani jats and bhatias who score 25% south indian. And there 47% would be around 11.75 asi on k9

Because he broke down east eurasian in to 3 components. Results from spreadsheet

Paniyas
Ancestral_South_Indian 39.19%
SE_Asian 21.82%
Siberian_E_Asian 0.00%

Afghan_Pashtun
Ancestral_South_Indian 9.15%
SE_Asian 4.95%
Siberian_E_Asian 2.35%

Pathan
Ancestral_South_Indian 12.51%
SE_Asian 5.21%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Punjabi
Ancestral_South_Indian 15.04%
SE_Asian 6.56%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Tajik_Afghan
Ancestral_South_Indian 7.06%
SE_Asian 12.03%
Siberian_E_Asian 9.49%

Tajik_Pomiri
Ancestral_South_Indian 6.08%
SE_Asian 4.73%
Siberian_E_Asian 3.17%

[Petalpusher]

It's the same mechanic that would occur if a calculator for Africans had N.African+SSA+E.Africa, the core SSA would be spread out a bit everywhere, like say a regular 20% someone score, wouldn't get 20% SSA alone in such calculator. Of course choosing this one has only one purpose, and it's to try to confuse people showing less "ASI", as SE_Asians are ASE influenced.

[Purohit ji]

Because he broke down east eurasian in to 3 components. Results from spreadsheet

Paniyas
Ancestral_South_Indian 39.19%
SE_Asian 21.82%
Siberian_E_Asian 0.00%

Afghan_Pashtun
Ancestral_South_Indian 9.15%
SE_Asian 4.95%
Siberian_E_Asian 2.35%

Pathan
Ancestral_South_Indian 12.51%
SE_Asian 5.21%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Punjabi
Ancestral_South_Indian 15.04%
SE_Asian 6.56%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Tajik_Afghan
Ancestral_South_Indian 7.06%
SE_Asian 12.03%
Siberian_E_Asian 9.49%

Tajik_Pomiri
Ancestral_South_Indian 6.08%
SE_Asian 4.73%
Siberian_E_Asian 3.17%

So basically pashtuns are 25% paniyars.

[Milo]

Because he broke down east eurasian in to 3 components. Results from spreadsheet

Paniyas
Ancestral_South_Indian 39.19%
SE_Asian 21.82%
Siberian_E_Asian 0.00%

Afghan_Pashtun
Ancestral_South_Indian 9.15%
SE_Asian 4.95%
Siberian_E_Asian 2.35%

Pathan
Ancestral_South_Indian 12.51%
SE_Asian 5.21%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Punjabi
Ancestral_South_Indian 15.04%
SE_Asian 6.56%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.49%

Tajik_Afghan
Ancestral_South_Indian 7.06%
SE_Asian 12.03%
Siberian_E_Asian 9.49%

Tajik_Pomiri
Ancestral_South_Indian 6.08%
SE_Asian 4.73%
Siberian_E_Asian 3.17%what does SE_Asian constitute? Papuan? It seems like SE asian has mong too because Afghan Tajik gets significantly more than others in the region

[lameduck]

what does SE_Asian constitute? Papuan? It seems like SE asian has mong too because Afghan Tajik gets significantly more than others in the region

yeah i guess so it is eating some mong as well.

[Hadouken]

SE_Asian is mostly mong . not to mistake with ASE

[gültekin]

So basically pashtuns are 25% paniyars.

Yes. Every calculator says the same thing. In this calculator (Eurasia k9 ASI) Pashtuns have 8% "South Indian" whereas Paniya have 39%, which again means Pashtuns are 20% Paniya like.

[gum_dum]

what does SE_Asian constitute? Papuan? It seems like SE asian has mong too because Afghan Tajik gets significantly more than others in the region

Not papuan.

Here is a brief description of the components:

1- WHG peaks in Loshbour, La Brana, Bichon, and

2- EHG peaks in Karelia HG

3- ASI peaks in the Onge and other Andamanese, followed by Indian tribals such as Puliyar, Ho and Paniya

4- Siberian / E Asian peaks in Nganasan followed by Ulchi

5- SW Asian peaks in Bedouin B followed by Saudi

6- ENF peaks in Neolithic Anatolians and LBK cultures of the Balkans

7- W African peaks in Esan and Yoruba

8- SE Asian peaks in Ami, Dai, followed by Naga

9- CHG peaks in Satsurbila CHG, followed by Kotias CHG, and the Baloch & Brahui of Pakistan

[Milo]

Yes. Every calculator says the same thing. In this calculator (Eurasia k9 ASI) Pashtuns have 8% "South Indian" whereas Paniya have 39%, which again means Pashtuns are 25% Paniya like.Honestly it doesn't mean anything like this.
There is a difference between having direct ancestry from a group and having indirect ancestry.
The reason why North Indian groups like Punjabis, who score rather close to Pashtuns, differ phenotypically(as in Punjabis can have veddid features occasionally, but it would be very rare among Pashtuns) is because they may have direct ancestry from some veddid featured groups, while Pashtuns would not.
But then again, Pashtuns can look like Punjabis because they would have mixed with Punjabis and attained their phenotypes.

[lameduck]

Honestly it doesn't mean anything like this.
There is a difference between having direct ancestry from a group and having indirect ancestry.
The reason why North Indian groups like Punjabis, who score rather close to Pashtuns, differ phenotypically(as in Punjabis can have veddid features occasionally, but it would be very rare among Pashtuns) is because they may have direct ancestry from some veddid featured groups, while Pashtuns would not.
But then again, Pashtuns can look like Punjabis because they would have mixed with Punjabis and attained their phenotypes.

There has been lot of geneflow in the region between: balochistan , Hindukush and Indus Plains before ethnicity formation.

[gum_dum]

It's the same mechanic that would occur if a calculator for Africans had N.African+SSA+E.Africa, the core SSA would be spread out a bit everywhere, like say a regular 20% someone score, wouldn't get 20% SSA alone in such calculator. Of course choosing this one has only one purpose, and it's to try to confuse people showing less "ASI", as SE_Asians are ASE influenced.

ASI keep changing depending on calculator and which proxy population is used. ASI mean Ancestral South Indian but we don't have any ancient dna from south india. Paniyas are most ASI shifted isolated south indian tribals but even they score around 40% west eurasian. SE_Asian is mostly mong and not ASE influenced otherwise Afghan_Tajik would score a lot less.

8- SE Asian peaks in Ami, Dai, followed by Naga

[Petalpusher]

ASI keep changing depending on calculator and which proxy population is used. ASI mean Ancestral South Indian but we don't have any ancient dna from south india. Paniyas are most ASI shifted isolated south indian tribals but even they score around 40% west eurasian. SE_Asian is mostly mong and not ASE influenced otherwise Afghan_Tajik would score a lot less.

8- SE Asian peaks in Ami, Dai, followed by Naga

Ami and Dai show ASE at low K, 5-10%. Nganassan are more Siberian, but the whole "E.Asian" cline from Siberia as it get closer to SE_Asians have a small but noticeable ASE affinity. Being 100% E_Asian or close doesn't mean it felt from the sky, it formed through different influences specially as it's not based on some ancient samples like some others W_Eurasian ancestral components, the peaks are modern pop. The bottom line is, at low K a real ASI is 50% ASE, no need to complicate things further from there.

If we are talking about percentages, we need something that peaks at 100% otherwise well.. it's not percent we are talking about. Even CHG hides some of the ASE, it's 7-8%, so of course if one score for example 50% CHG like many Indian pop + 20% ASI + 10% SEA , there is some there and there that ultimately add up at lower K, that's why both kind of runs are useful but low K with the right comp for the right regions definetly show more of what things are made of.

['owight Gavnah]

Yes. Every calculator says the same thing. In this calculator (Eurasia k9 ASI) Pashtuns have 8% "South Indian" whereas Paniya have 39%, which again means Pashtuns are 20% Paniya like.

But the ASI is not Modeled after paniya who also score the same amount of CHG as ASI, :picard2: your posts makes no sense at all, your just trolling and spreading absolute garbage. Please don't contribute to the thread before it turns nasty.

If the ASI was Modeled as 100% of a population for instance, taking in consideration that afghans score between 5-9% ASI, you could find out in theory what they come out as. First of all, the ASI afghans score, is mostly just ancient stuff that comes up. They woukd score something between 8-14% ASI, Iranians woukd score 4-8%, Kurds and Turks woukd score on average 2-4%. There are also Europeans who score some ASI, one member scored more than 3% ASI, he had no known Romani ancestry.

['owight Gavnah]

So basically pashtuns are 25% paniyars.

No.

[Hadouken]

of course no . if the 8% ASI makes afghans paniya then the 10% WHG makes them German ?

it is funny how people want to make afghans something which they are not . they are not indian people lol . however as I pointed out there are striking differences to west asians too

[Petalpusher]

of course no . if the 8% ASI makes afghans paniya then the 10% WHG makes them German ?

it is funny how people want to make afghans something which they are not . they are not indian people lol . however as I pointed out there are striking differences to west asians too

That doesn't work like that either, WHG is not German, a German would barely score 40% WHG in this run. 10% WHG just makes them 10% mesolithic Euro (+EHG).

['owight Gavnah]

That doesn't work like that either, WHG is not German, a German would barely score 40% WHG in this run. 10% WHG just makes them 10% mesolithic Euro (+EHG).

ASI is not paniya either...so users over trying to say we are "25% paniya" is absolutely clueless.

Funny how people assume the WHG is ancient yet ASI must be recent, in turn making us Veddoid. Lol. Great logic some people have.

[Halgurd]

I think this calculator is fairly accurate for me

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.88
2 SW_Asian 22.17
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 19.35
4 WHG 8.17
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.55
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.68
7 SE_Asian 2.3
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.81
9 W_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 2.77
2 Kurd_N 5.94
3 Iranian 6.22
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.78
5 Kumyk 8.8
6 Adygei 8.82
7 Abkhasian 9.01
8 Georgian 9.52
9 Turkish 9.89
10 Armenian 10.27
11 Chechen 10.33
12 Georgian_Jew 10.55
13 Lezgin 12.02
14 Kurd_C 12.24
15 Iranian_Jew 12.84
16 Iraqi_Jew 16.84
17 Druze 17.04
18 Syrian 17.52
19 Lebanese 17.77
20 Cypriot 19.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Azeri + 2% Karelia_HG @ 1.86
2 98% Azeri + 2% Samara_HG @ 1.86
3 85.2% Azeri + 14.8% Lezgin @ 1.86
4 96.2% Azeri + 3.8% Srubnaya @ 1.87
5 96.4% Azeri + 3.6% RISE_baAndrov @ 1.87
6 96.5% Azeri + 3.5% RISE_baSin @ 1.89
7 95.6% Azeri + 4.4% Scythian_IA @ 1.97
8 84% Azeri + 16% Chechen @ 1.98
9 96.3% Azeri + 3.7% RISE_baUne @ 1.98
10 96.6% Azeri + 3.4% RISE_baMezh @ 2.01
11 97.9% Azeri + 2.1% MA1 @ 2.08
12 96.5% Azeri + 3.5% RISE_baBb @ 2.09
13 82.8% Azeri + 17.2% Kumyk @ 2.13
14 81.6% Azeri + 18.4% Azeri_Dagestan @ 2.21
15 97% Azeri + 3% RISE_baSca @ 2.21
16 87.7% Kurd_N + 12.3% Tatars @ 2.22
17 97.2% Azeri + 2.8% Estonian @ 2.25
18 97.2% Azeri + 2.8% Lithuanian @ 2.27
19 97% Azeri + 3% Belarusian @ 2.29
20 96.8% Azeri + 3.2% Norwegian @ 2.31

[Hadouken]

That doesn't work like that either, WHG is not German, a German would barely score 40% WHG in this run. 10% WHG just makes them 10% mesolithic Euro (+EHG).

I know that

but it is the same logic

[Petalpusher]

ASI is not paniya either...so users over trying to say we are "25% paniya" is absolutely clueless.

Funny how people assume the WHG is ancient yet ASI must be recent, in turn making us Veddoid. Lol. Great logic some people have.

It definetly is, if you were using any calculator with a proper ASI component, at 100% or close. A more recent and modern calculator is Eurasia K10 :


Puliyar
ASI 88%

Pashtun_Afghan
ASI 20.20%


So yea easily +20% ASI, and 10% ASE, at K10 so not very low K.



At K11:

Puliyar
84.95

Pashtun_Afghan
17.93



At K6, ASE values (ASI/2 basically) with a full peak:

Australian
100

Papuan
100

Onge
86.89

Paniyas
47.70

Pashtun_Afghan
11.61



At this point it's like some N.Africans who deny they have SSA.

[Hadouken]

^ can we assume that the Ancient Eurasia K6 calculator is good in showing the pure ASE component ? I am asking because there I score similar to what I score on Eurasia K9

[Petalpusher]

^ can we assume that the Ancient Eurasia K6 calculator is good in showing the pure ASE component ? I am asking because there I score similar to what I score on Eurasia K9

Because of your massive CHG that gets broken down at low K (as i said there is a little ASI/ASE in there). A 100% peak doesn't leave any doubt, it would be like getting 20% SSA that peaks at 100 in Yoruba or something and saying it isn't SSA.

[Hadouken]

Because of your massive CHG that gets broken down at low K (as i said there is a little ASI/ASE in there). A 100% peak doesn't leave any doubt, it would be like getting 20% SSA that peaks at 100 in Yoruba or something and saying it isn't SSA.

I dont understand :)

not sure if you even answered my question :D

['owight Gavnah]

Because of your massive CHG that gets broken down at low K (as i said there is a little ASI/ASE in there). A 100% peak doesn't leave any doubt, it would be like getting 20% SSA that peaks at 100 in Yoruba or something and saying it isn't SSA.

So the k6 is accurate? Then afghans are 11% ASE?

[Hadouken]

So the k6 is accurate? Then afghans are 11% ASE?

yes afghans are around 11-12% there

[Petalpusher]

I dont understand :)

not sure if you even answered my question :D

What's unclear?

post your K10 and K6 so we have a real example.

['owight Gavnah]

yes afghans are around 11-12% there

Isn't that what I calculated earlier?? I guess I was correct. Thank you

[Hadouken]

What's unclear?

just want to know if the ASI (without the west eurasian part from the south indian component) is given accurately from the ancient eurasia k6 calculator ? I would say yes because it shows similar results to eurasia k9

[lameduck]

result of an ormuri Pashtun from Pakistan , look at WHG and EHG combinition of dude lol

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 44.56
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.37
3 WHG 10.56
4 Ancestral_South_Indian 8.93
5 SW_Asian 7.50
6 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.75
7 SE_Asian 5.33
8 Siberian_E_Asian 4.67


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pashtun_Afghan @ 6.203724
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7.594628
3 Tajik_Afghan @ 11.086406
4 Uzbek_Afghan @ 11.715825
5 Pathan @ 11.907689
6 Burusho @ 13.584709
7 Kalash @ 15.568677
8 Punjabi @ 15.842913
9 Lezgin @ 16.180819
10 Kurd_SE @ 16.856249
11 Chechen @ 18.256832
12 Azeri_Dagestan @ 18.337475
13 Balochi @ 19.499073
14 Kumyk @ 19.762850
15 Adygei @ 20.024940
16 Makrani @ 20.455677
17 Hazara_Afghan @ 21.101015
18 Brahui @ 21.576265
19 Iranian @ 22.360598
20 Azeri @ 23.603352

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pashtun_Afghan +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.207790


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +25% Scythian_IA +25% Tajik_Afghan @ 2.664455


Interesting oracle results in mixed mode:

19 89.6% Pashtun_Afghan + 10.4% Scythian_IA @ 4.02

[Petalpusher]

just want to know if the ASI (without the west eurasian part from the south indian component) is given accurately from the ancient eurasia k6 calculator ? I would say yes because it shows similar results to eurasia k9

It's not ASI in K6, it's ASE. ASI is 50% Australoid/Papuan/Onge (that whole ancestral line) + a variety of W and E Eurasian components (25/25 roughly). ASE is 100% Australoid/Papuan/Onge.

[Hadouken]

It's not ASI in K6, it's ASE. ASI is 50% of Australoid/Papuan/Onge (that whole ancestral line) + variety of W and E Eurasian components (25/25 roughly). ASE is 100% Australoid/Papuan/Onge.

I think on this calculator (eurasia k9) the ASI is ASE because otherwise afghans wouldnt score 7-8% here but 11-12% on K6 . you know what I mean ? you are talking about the south indian component in calcs like mdlp k23 . maybe the creator of this calculator (eurasia k9) should have named it differently and call it ASE instead of ASI but I think it is supposed to be onge

[Petalpusher]

I think on this calculator (eurasia k9) the ASI is ASE because otherwise afghans wouldnt score 7-8% here but 11-12% on K6 . you know what I mean ? you are talking about the south indian component in calcs like mdlp k23 . maybe the creator of this calculator (eurasia k9) should have named it differently and call it ASE instead of ASI but I think it is supposed to be onge

In K9, and i said that in the first pages, the ASI has no real peak, it forms a component only at 35%, in K10 it's much better almost 90%, it's real ASI stuff. Southernmost Indians get close to 90% + some usual residual things. If you want to compare your ASI/ASE use K10 and K6.

[Hadouken]

lol thats exactly what I mean

['owight Gavnah]

In K9, and i said that in the first pages, the ASI has no real peak, it forms a component only at 35%, in K10 it's much better almost 90%, it's real ASI stuff. Southernmost Indians get close to 90% + some usual residual things. If you want to compare your ASI/ASE use K10 and K6.

You mean it forms a component at 63.5%

[Hadouken]

results of a "Tamil Gounder" on these 3 calcs :

Eurasia K9 Asi


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 49.21
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 24.35
3 SE_Asian 19.8
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.44
5 W_African 1.92
6 SW_Asian 0.79
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.5


K10


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 69.37
2 CHG 19.38
3 E_Asian 5.76
4 Papuan 2.27
5 EHG 2.04
6 SW_Asian 0.89
7 W_African 0.27
8 Amerindian 0.01




K6


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 33.23
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.41
3 East_Asian 18.32
4 Natufian 16.54
5 Sub_Saharan 0.5

[Myanthropologies]

of course no . if the 8% ASI makes afghans paniya then the 10% WHG makes them German ?

it is funny how people want to make afghans something which they are not . they are not indian people lol . however as I pointed out there are striking differences to west asians too

Nobody is saying that, but their European scores are much more drastically different than their indian scores to Kurds. The drift is because we lack med and have higher baltic. I guarantee you that if we had higher med, we would cluster a lot closer to Kurds.

[Petalpusher]

You mean it forms a component at 63.5%

I meant if it was really ASI it would be 35% (Paniyas/Pulliyar) but it's actually a weird ASI/ASE hybrid, as Onge/Andamanese is at 63.5%.

[Hadouken]

Nobody is saying that, but their European scores are much more drastically different than their indian scores to Kurds. The drift is because we lack med and have higher baltic. I guarantee you that if we had higher med, we would cluster a lot closer to Kurds.

:confused:

you put my post out of context . it was towards those posts who say that afghans are 25% paniya . I said that this is not the case

btw. : afghans score a lot higher south asian than kurds as you can see too . and also less red sea

[Milo]

results of a "Tamil Gounder" on these 3 calcs :

Eurasia K9 Asi


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 49.21
2 Ancestral_South_Indian 24.35
3 SE_Asian 19.8
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.44
5 W_African 1.92
6 SW_Asian 0.79
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.5


K10


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S_Indian 69.37
2 CHG 19.38
3 E_Asian 5.76
4 Papuan 2.27
5 EHG 2.04
6 SW_Asian 0.89
7 W_African 0.27
8 Amerindian 0.01




K6


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 33.23
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.41
3 East_Asian 18.32
4 Natufian 16.54
5 Sub_Saharan 0.5

Gounder = middle caste I think(not sure)
I'm surprised at how high his SI is in k10

[Hadouken]

Gounder = middle caste I think(not sure)
I'm surprised at how high his SI is in k10

it includes the west eurasian part in it too thats why

[Purohit ji]

Please do share.HRP0170 Haryana Jaat

Population
SE_Asian 9.43%
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.12%
SW_Asian 3.84%
Ancestral_South_Indian 10.98%
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.61%
WHG 11.55%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.26%
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.05%
W_African 0.15%

['owight Gavnah]

HRP0170 Haryana Jaat

Population
SE_Asian 9.43%
Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.12%
SW_Asian 3.84%
Ancestral_South_Indian 10.98%
Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.61%
WHG 11.55%
Siberian_E_Asian 1.26%
Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 45.05%
W_African 0.15%

Lol look at his WHG, he clearly has euro admixture, proberly 1/8. Hard to believe he's fully jat,

['owight Gavnah]

it includes the west eurasian part in it too thats why

Right, so my point is, which is the more accurate percent for south Asian? K6 or k9? Because the south Asian score increases for nearly everyone when going from k9 to k6. If the ASE in k6 is pure, why does it increase?

[Hadouken]

Right, so my point is, which is the more accurate percent for south Asian? K6 or k9? Because the south Asian score increases for nearly everyone when going from k9 to k6. If the ASE in k6 is pure, why does it increase?

hmm I think both are good . in my case it hardly increases from k9 to k6

k9 I score 1.88 and on k6 I score 2.10

but yes in some people it does increase in a decent amount . I would guess that k6 also includes a little west eurasian in the ASE (even though it shouldnt)

['owight Gavnah]

hmm I think both are good . in my case it hardly increases from k9 to k6

k9 I score 1.88 and on k6 I score 2.10

but yes in some people it does increase in a decent amount . I would guess that k6 also includes a little west eurasian in the ASE (even though it shouldnt)

I've checked for all the Afghans, and it defintley increases by 4-5%. Even the Kurdish samples it Increases by 3-5%. If it was more pure surley it shouldn't have? Atleast not for west Asians or even Europeans.

For kurd_c it jumps from 0.76% ASI ( k9) to 6.49% ASE in k6 !

Isn't that proof that the k9 ASI is a much more accurate version of south Asian?

[Halgurd]

My K6 if y'all are interested

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.39
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.15
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.02
4 East_Asian 3.81
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.74
2 Iranian 4.23
3 Iran_recent 5.28
4 Georgian 5.38
5 Kurd_C 5.44
6 Iran_N_WC1 5.48
7 Assyrian 6.99
8 Kurd_F 7.07
9 Adygei 7.13
10 Jew_Iranian 7.91
11 Chechen 8.02
12 Iranian_Mazandarani 8.24
13 Jew_iraqi 8.34
14 Iran_ChL 8.38
15 Kumyk 8.71
16 Iranian_Shirazi 8.95
17 Lezgin 9.21
18 Balkar 9.46
19 Turkish 9.52
20 Iran_LN 9.52

[Pahli]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.23
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 32.36
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 10.95
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.92
5 Sub_Saharan 0.8
6 East_Asian 0.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 3.41
2 Iranian 4.61
3 Kurd_C 4.74
4 Kurd_F 4.93
5 Assyrian 5.02
6 Iran_recent 5.89
7 Jew_Iranian 5.97
8 Iran_N_WC1 6.21
9 Jew_iraqi 6.44
10 Iran_ChL 7.33
11 Azeri 7.37
12 Iran_LN 7.39
13 Iranian_Mazandarani 7.83
14 Iranian_Shirazi 8.51
15 Adygei 9.85
16 Iranian_Lori 10
17 Chechen 10.05
18 Druze 10.66
19 Iran_N 10.73
20 Lezgin 10.73

['owight Gavnah]

My K6 if y'all are interested

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.39
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 31.15
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 12.02
4 East_Asian 3.81
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.74
2 Iranian 4.23
3 Iran_recent 5.28
4 Georgian 5.38
5 Kurd_C 5.44
6 Iran_N_WC1 5.48
7 Assyrian 6.99
8 Kurd_F 7.07
9 Adygei 7.13
10 Jew_Iranian 7.91
11 Chechen 8.02
12 Iranian_Mazandarani 8.24
13 Jew_iraqi 8.34
14 Iran_ChL 8.38
15 Kumyk 8.71
16 Iranian_Shirazi 8.95
17 Lezgin 9.21
18 Balkar 9.46
19 Turkish 9.52
20 Iran_LN 9.52

Thank you brother. Your South Asian went from 0.8 to 3.62, that's more than 100% increase.

[Hadouken]

I've checked for all the Afghans, and it defintley increases by 4-5%. Even the Kurdish samples it Increases by 3-5%. If it was more pure surley it shouldn't have? Atleast not for west Asians or even Europeans.

For kurd_c it jumps from 0.76% ASI ( k9) to 6.49% ASE in k6 !

Isn't that proof that the k9 ASI is a much more accurate version of south Asian?

as I said mine doesnt increase much . the kurdish samples I have do increase all more but none goes to 6.49% :confused: ....that "Kurd C" is an atypical case in all calcs as I said . not sure whats going on there

the k6 calc is (IMO) not a really good calculator anyway

['owight Gavnah]

as I said mine doesnt increase much . the kurdish samples I have do increase all more but none goes to 6.49% :confused: ....that "Kurd C" is an atypical case in all calcs as I said . not sure whats going on there

the k6 calc is (IMO) not a really good calculator anyway

Bro I know, that's my point, Kurd_C scores less than 1% in k9 yet it jumps to 6.49% in k6. Surley that means k6 ASE is hiding western Eurasian in it. Even Druze, a isolated ethnic group scores 2% ASE.

Here's the k9 spreadsheet
https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

K6
https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

I agree, k6 is not really good. K9 is the one.

[Milo]

it includes the west eurasian part in it too thats whydunno man, here is a tamil gounder(listed as vellalar) from harappa (HRP0251 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ou8tDgV-XsvL-HH_2zpmbChJVEZKQIG3uU-JBet2G_Q/edit?hl=en#gid=0))

SouthIndian Baloch Caucasian NE euro
50% 35% 6% 1%

These castes aren't different from Brahmins from the region except for having a negligible NE euro component and having slightly higher SI.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/08/what-the-harappa-ancestry-project-has-resolved/#.WCzCENJ95dg




why is harappa so different

[Hadouken]

Bro I know, that's my point, Kurd_C scores less than 1% in k9 yet it jumps to 6.49% in k6. Surley that means k6 ASE is hiding western Eurasian in it. Even Druze, a isolated ethnic group scores 2% ASE.

Here's the k9 spreadsheet
https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

K6
https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php

I agree, k6 is not really good. K9 is the one.

"kurd c" is atypical (and differs noticably from us) in most calcs mate . dont take those samples from member "kurd" as granted (no disrespect to him of course). if you want to see kurdish results ask me :o

[Hadouken]

dunno man, here is a tamil gounder(listed as vellalar) from harappa (HRP0251)

SouthIndian Baloch Caucasian NE euro
50% 35% 6% 1%

These castes aren't different from Brahmins from the region except for having a negligible NE euro component and having slightly higher SI.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/08/what-the-harappa-ancestry-project-has-resolved/#.WCzCENJ95dg




why is harappa so different

here the tamil gounder kit nr I have

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 68.57
2 Baloch 25.63
3 NE-Asian 2.63
4 SE-Asian 1.08
5 Papuan 0.97
6 Siberian 0.43
7 Caucasian 0.43
8 E-African 0.26


I think it is just an individual difference between them

[Pahli]

"kurd c" is atypical (and differs noticably from us) in most calcs mate . dont take those samples from member "kurd" as granted (no disrespect to him of course). if you want to see kurdish results ask me :o

Kurdish results differ more anyway, so these average Kurdish results aren't always precise since they are an average of only a few hundred individuals.

[Hadouken]

Kurdish results differ more anyway, so these average Kurdish results aren't always precise since they are an average of only a few hundred individuals.

a few hundred ? lol

the member "kurd" only posts "kurdish" results of 3 people or so . one of them is "kurd SE" (lel) and one is "Kurd C" (which I was just talking about)

if you want to see kurdish results take a look at yours , mfa , znertu , mine and halgurd (even though we have some turkish shift) , and I have also 3 kit numbers of 2 kurds from dersim and 1 from iran

['owight Gavnah]

"kurd c" is atypical (and differs noticably from us) in most calcs mate . dont take those samples from member "kurd" as granted (no disrespect to him of course). if you want to see kurdish results ask me :o

I know but I just used that specifically as an example of how it increased. I guess Kurds also differ depending on region and tribe. My point was, that k9 is a much more accurate calculator for breaking down the ASI Into ASE.

[Pahli]

a few hundred ? lol

the member "kurd" only posts "kurdish" results of 3 people or so

if you want to see kurdish results take a look at yours , mfa , znertu , mine and halgurd (even though we have some turkish shift) , and I have also 3 kit numbers of 2 kurds from dersim and 1 from iran

What I meant is he takes maybe a (not a few hundred) but 20 - 30 samples of Iraqi Kurdish samples, gets the average of all of them and posts it as Kurd S or smth like that if you get me?

[Hadouken]

I know but I just used that specifically as an example of how it increased. I guess Kurds also differ depending on region and tribe. My point was, that k9 is a much more accurate calculator for breaking down the ASI Into ASE.

mdlp k23 is good too I think . at least for west asians (we score 0-4% there) . but afghans have there also 14 - 20% or so

[Hadouken]

What I meant is he takes maybe a (not a few hundred) but 20 - 30 samples of Iraqi Kurdish samples, gets the average of all of them and posts it as Kurd S or smth like that if you get me?

thats possible . either way the results he posts are very different than ours . havent you noticed that ? check the results of kurdish members . I was literally wtfing when I saw those samples and was confused

['owight Gavnah]

mdlp k23 is good too I think . at least for west asians (we score 0-4% there) . but afghans have there also 14 - 20% or so

The ASI in that contains a lot of gedrosian for afghans, kalash etc

Why do you think the ASE increased from k9 to k6? Even if it was a little?

['owight Gavnah]

thats possible . either way the results he posts are very different than ours . havent you noticed that ? check the results of kurdish members . I was literally wtfing when I saw those samples and was confused

How do you think we felt when we saw the "Pathan" sample couple years back lool

[Pahli]

thats possible . either way the results he posts are very different than ours . havent you noticed that ? check the results of kurdish members . I was literally wtfing when I saw those samples and was confused

Well Kurds are diverse, I have the lowest South Asian admixture of all the Kurdish samples from my region in Iran. So you get surprised every time.

[Hadouken]

The ASI in that contains a lot of gedrosian for afghans, kalash etc

you could be right with that but I wonder then why we dont score more too



Why do you think the ASE increased from k9 to k6? Even if it was a little?

could be part west eurasian as we both said . or maybe just a poor calculator . the 4 pop. oracles are fishy there too


Well Kurds are diverse, I have the lowest South Asian admixture of all the Kurdish samples from my region in Iran. So you get surprised every time.

can you send me a few Kit nr. ?

all dersim kurdish samples I have are very similar and we score a lot lower south asian than the samples that member kurd posts

btw. edit : I have actually 5-6 Dersim kit nr. I forgot lol

[Milo]

here the tamil gounder kit nr I have

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 68.57
2 Baloch 25.63
3 NE-Asian 2.63
4 SE-Asian 1.08
5 Papuan 0.97
6 Siberian 0.43
7 Caucasian 0.43
8 E-African 0.26


I think it is just an individual difference between themIts a pretty big difference then(18% SI, 10% Baloch and 6% caucasian), there has to be something else going on.
Is it because harappa is diluting the West Eurasian part of SIndian as Baloch?

Ethnicity SIndian Baloch Caucasian NE euro
<tbody>
Tamil Nadar
62%
30%
0%
0%



Tamil Nadar
59%
32%
3%
0%



Tamil Nadar
55%
30%
3%
0%



Tamil Vellalar
50%
35%
6%
1%



Tamil Vellalar
51%
32%
5%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
60%
32%
5%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
60%
33%
0%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
56%
36%
0%
0%



Tamil Vishwakarma
70%
23%
0%
0%



Tamil Vishwakarma
66%
25%
4%
0%

</tbody>

The last two lines are low castes I think. The rest are middle castes, and Gounder is a subcaste of Vellalar, the one in bold being a Gounder from Harappa.

['owight Gavnah]

you could be right with that but I wonder then why we dont score more too



could be part west eurasian as we both said . or maybe just a poor calculator . the 4 pop. oracles are fishy there too



can you send me a few Kit nr. ?

all dersim kurdish samples I have are very similar and we score a lot lower south asian than the samples that member kurd posts

Well it's because we have more gedrosian than you guys, it makes sense

[Hadouken]

Its a pretty big difference then(18% SI, 10% Baloch and 6% caucasian), there has to be something else going on.
Is it because harappa is diluting the West Eurasian part of SIndian as Baloch?

Ethnicity SIndian Baloch Caucasian NE euro
<tbody>
Tamil Nadar
62%
30%
0%
0%



Tamil Nadar
59%
32%
3%
0%



Tamil Nadar
55%
30%
3%
0%



Tamil Vellalar
50%
35%
6%
1%



Tamil Vellalar
51%
32%
5%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
60%
32%
5%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
60%
33%
0%
0%



Tamil Vellalar (Sri Lankan)
56%
36%
0%
0%



Tamil Vishwakarma
70%
23%
0%
0%



Tamil Vishwakarma
66%
25%
4%
0%

</tbody>

The last two lines are low castes I think. The rest are middle castes, and Gounder is a subcaste of Vellalar, the one in bold being a Gounder from Harappa.

seems really to be an individual variance . as you see it goes from 59% to 70% in this list

[Milo]

seems really to be an individual variance . as you see it goes from 59% to 70% in this listThose are all different castes, so they can vary that much. You are talking of that much variation in the same caste(it is only possible if someone has recent ancestry from another caste)

[Hadouken]

Those are all different castes, so they can vary that much. You are talking of that much variation in the same caste(it is only possible if someone has recent ancestry from another caste)

hmm then I dont know :-/ but that kit nr. was posted by an indian on anthrogenica and he said he/she is a tamil gounder . you should know better than me why such variance occurs .

[Pahli]

you could be right with that but I wonder then why we dont score more too



could be part west eurasian as we both said . or maybe just a poor calculator . the 4 pop. oracles are fishy there too



can you send me a few Kit nr. ?

all dersim kurdish samples I have are very similar and we score a lot lower south asian than the samples that member kurd posts

btw. edit : I have actually 5-6 Dersim kit nr. I forgot lol

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5850-feyliDNAproject-the-first-independent-project-for-SW-Iran/page5&p=162291#post162291

I don't have kitnumbers but here's some calculator results

[Hadouken]

@sarma

you cant compare that calculator with the ones we are talking about (k9 k6) you know that right ? :D it shows general south asian and not asi . even a georgian scores 3.5 % south asian there . however those feyli samples are all higher than average south asian for kurds . I score 6.60 there while some of the feyli samples score 12% (so almost double as much wut)

['owight Gavnah]

@sarma

you cant compare that calculator with the ones we are talking about (k9 k6) you know that right ? :D it shows general south asian and not asi . even a georgian scores 3.5 % south asian there . however those feyli samples are all higher than average south asian for kurds . I score 6.60 there while some of the feyli samples score 12% (so almost double as much wut)

The oracles for the punTDNA k12 are atrocious.

[Hadouken]

The oracles for the punTDNA k12 are atrocious.

on k6 too

[Pahli]

@sarma

you cant compare that calculator with the ones we are talking about (k9 k6) you know that right ? :D it shows general south asian and not asi . even a georgian scores 3.5 % south asian there . however those feyli samples are all higher than average south asian for kurds . I score 6.60 there while some of the feyli samples score 12% (so almost double as much wut)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 44.28
2 Anatolian_NF 26.35
3 Near_East 13.43
4 European_HG 6.29
5 South_Asian 5.48
6 Siberian 1.47
7 Sub-Saharan 0.95
8 East_Asian 0.91
9 Oceanian 0.83

I know, most of them got minimum around 8% South Asian ranging up to 12% South Asian.

[Myanthropologies]

:confused:

you put my post out of context . it was towards those posts who say that afghans are 25% paniya . I said that this is not the case

btw. : afghans score a lot higher south asian than kurds as you can see too . and also less red sea

That's only because we have such terrible representations of what "south asian" is. Afghans barely have any admixture from South Indians, as the ASE scores show (which is higher in South Indians), but South Indians have a shared CHG/Iranian Neolithic ancestry, which does not actually come from South India. Afghans do not have "much more south asian influence." I guarantee you that if we increased med among afghans, and kept the indian scores the same, they would cluster near kurds.

[Hadouken]

That's only because we have such terrible representations of what "south asian" is. Afghans barely have any admixture from South Indians, as the ASE scores show, but South Indians have a shared CHG/Iranian Neolithic ancestry, which does not actually come from South India. Afghans do not have "much more south asian influence." I guarantee you that if we increased med among afghans, and kept the indian scores the same, they would cluster near kurds.

dont you see the calc results posted all over this thread ? :confused:

but ok I cant say anything anymore if you refuse to accept the numbers

[Myanthropologies]

dont you see the calc results posted all over this thread ? :confused:

but ok I cant say anything anymore if you refuse to accept the numbers

I have, and the ones that factor out the west eurasian components the most show that afghans are only 5% different in terms of ASE level.

[Myanthropologies]

first of all which calculator is that ?

It's not based off of a calculator, it is from eurogenes, and I can show you 100 more.


2nd. : in the european cluster there are ancient dna samples :picard2: ....ancient dna samples are not like todays dna samples . the saami who are one of the most east eurasian shifted europeans are even a lot more left positioned than those ancients lol

Even without those, there is 4x as much genetic diversity between Europeans than between any west asian and Afghans. Don't be a hypocrite and call Europeans a group when Afghans are on the same cline as you, and as oracles show are genetically closest to West Asian groups the most. Not Central Asians, not South Asians. Sicilians can be modeled between Saudis and Croatians, and most are closer to Saudis than to West Europeans genetically. If you can still call them Europeans despite this, you can call Afghans west asians still. Afghans don't even label themselves as West Asians, Central Asians, etc. But when they are a disporsa, they always call themselves Middle Eastern/West Asian, and most middle easterners think of them as the same.


and there are 3 Tajik examples no pashtun and they are very far right positioned . what I find funny is that you usually complain about not enough afghan pashtun samples in cluster maps but now you show me one with 3 tajiks and no pashtuns . but thanks nonetheless ...this is the first map where I see afghans clustering so near to west asians

Yeah, and some of those Tajik groups are more foreign than Pashtuns are.


and I already told you that afghans are not south asians to me :) you are actually saying the same as me mostly ...except that afghans still are not really/fully a west asian people ..this has nothing to do with me being "special" and I dont know why I should "get over myself " ? I didnt say anything bad towards you anyway . you dont have to be west asian to be a good people and I dont judge so dont misunderstand me ok

It's because you dont to get to decide who is west asian and who isn't, but you keep insisting that you do and it's annoying. Just because afghans lack red sea and med doesn't make them non west asians. They are genetically one of the closest groups to CHG, and have a massive chunk of that ancestry. They are just as genetically removed from Punjabis as they are from Kurds, sometimes even less removed from the latter, on other calculators (since you said this is a bad one). And even in those calculators, they score more "indian." You don't have to cluster with kurds to be genetically west asian. Afghans are genetically closer to North caucasians (West Asians), than Levantines and Saudis are, but they're still considered "West Asian" even though they barely consist of the real west asian component.


what you are saying to me right now is offensive . if you want to talk with me then please keep it civil

Then don't be such a special snowflake.





yeah as I said CENTRAL asia :)

No they are clearly west of the center of asia, what I meant by in the middle is that they are not north or south, meaning they are central west asians, just like Iranians are and even kurds are.

['owight Gavnah]

@myanthro -you make valid points but please buddy keel it civil, All-in is a good member, don't be immature.

I agree with the fact having less Red Sea makes you not west Asian, afghans are one of the closest groups to CHG. I mean Western Asia is the criteria, afghans cluster pretty close to the west Asian point. We are east of it, while levantines are southwest of it. If they are west Asian then so are we tbh.
If we had the same amount of EEF as Kurds, we would cluster with them, all be it south Asian shifted , but within the same cluster point.

[Myanthropologies]

It definetly is, if you were using any calculator with a proper ASI component, at 100% or close. A more recent and modern calculator is Eurasia K10 :



Puliyar
ASI 88%

Pashtun_Afghan
ASI 20.20%


So yea easily +20% ASI, and 10% ASE, at K10 so not very low K.



At K11:

Puliyar
84.95

Pashtun_Afghan
17.93



At K6, ASE values (ASI/2 basically) with a full peak:

Australian
100

Papuan
100

Onge
86.89

Paniyas
47.70

Pashtun_Afghan
11.61


That doesn't mean that they're 20% Paniya, and that's just stupid. And your calculator just proved my point. The Pashtun sample is as "ASI" as Paniya is non ASI, meaning there is something else hidden under the ASI component. People keep denying the significant gene flow from west and Central Asia to south India and not vice versa, when vice versa has never happened before and any Onge in pashtuns comes from indirect admixture. They are not 25% Paniya.



At this point it's like some N.Africans who deny they have SSA.

Or like Europeans who try to diminish and deny significant semitic affinity in some Sm Europeans, which is actually very significant compared to anything indian in pashtuns. Or like French people who deny that they are genetically close to "25% Punjabis."

[Hadouken]

uff ok believe what you want

but just one thing : ^ red sea has nothing to do with it . we score only around 6% of it btw. so this has no meaning of "west asianness" . east med we score around 30% and on top of that 7-9% west med

if you are interested to see check this . I wont go into any more discussions with you because you are getting angry for no reason and take offense

my eurogenes k13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 30.72
3 West_Med 8.32
4 South_Asian 6.79
5 Red_Sea 6.04
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Baltic 2.77
8 Sub-Saharan 1.3
9 Siberian 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.2
11 Amerindian 0.84


pashtun



# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 44
2 South_Asian 25.94
3 Baltic 12.38
4 East_Med 5.78
5 North_Atlantic 5.22
6 Amerindian 2.66
7 Siberian 1.96
8 Sub-Saharan 1.09
9 Oceanian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.39



afghan pashtun/tajik (mostly)




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.47
2 South_Asian 34.24
3 Baltic 12.45
4 East_Med 7.05
5 Amerindian 2.23
6 Siberian 1.27
7 North_Atlantic 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.26




another afghan pashtun

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

[Myanthropologies]

uff ok believe what you want

but just one thing : ^ red sea has nothing to do with it . we score only around 6% of it btw. so this has no meaning of "west asianness" . east med we score around 30% and on top of that 7-9% west med

if you are interested to see check this . I wont go into any more discussions with you because you are getting angry for no reason and take offense

my eurogenes k13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 30.72
3 West_Med 8.32
4 South_Asian 6.79
5 Red_Sea 6.04
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Baltic 2.77
8 Sub-Saharan 1.3
9 Siberian 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.2
11 Amerindian 0.84


pashtun



# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 44
2 South_Asian 25.94
3 Baltic 12.38
4 East_Med 5.78
5 North_Atlantic 5.22
6 Amerindian 2.66
7 Siberian 1.96
8 Sub-Saharan 1.09
9 Oceanian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.39



afghan pashtun/tajik (mostly)




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.47
2 South_Asian 34.24
3 Baltic 12.45
4 East_Med 7.05
5 Amerindian 2.23
6 Siberian 1.27
7 North_Atlantic 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.26




another afghan pashtun

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

I only take offense if it because you were all over this thread talking about how kurds are underrepresented in this thread, when afghans are one of the most underrepresented yet everyone here jumps to conclusions about them.

Once again, the south asian is not literally all south asian ancestry, which is what you fail to understand. You cherrypick results with high south asian scores.

[Hadouken]

I only take offense if it because you were all over this thread talking about how kurds are underrepresented in this thread, when afghans are one of the most underrepresented yet everyone here jumps to conclusions about them.

I didnt say such a thing . and what I posted was all objective and with the aim to help the discussion

[Pahli]

My Eurogenes K13 results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.72
2 East_Med 29.45
3 South_Asian 9.18
4 West_Med 6.35
5 Red_Sea 5.34
6 North_Atlantic 4.91
7 Baltic 1.81
8 Northeast_African 0.73
9 Siberian 0.62
10 East_Asian 0.38
11 Amerindian 0.3
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21

[Myanthropologies]

I didnt say such a thing . and what I posted was all objective and with the aim to help the discussion

You further went out of your way to use cherrypicked results with high south asian scores in afghans that obviously stem from Gedrosia/CHG hidden under it which is obviously NOT a south asian component, but a component that mixed into south asians than came from WEST asia. You literally believe that a pashtun has 30% South Asian ancestry, but then conclude that these calculators "are not accurate." The funny thing is that it is the ones with the higher south asian scores who actually sometimes have kurds appear in their oracle.

[Pahli]

You further went out of your way to use cherrypicked results with high south asian scores in afghans that obviously stem from Gedrosia/CHG hidden under it which is obviously NOT a south asian component, but a component that mixed into south asians than came from WEST asia. You literally believe that a pashtun has 30% South Asian ancestry, but then conclude that these calculators "are not accurate." The funny thing is that it is the ones with the higher south asian scores who actually sometimes have kurds appear in their oracle.

Pashtuns score everywhere from 15 - 30% South Asian, however the average being around 20%, Kurds don't get more than 5 - 10%. Iran_Neo itself had 20% South Asian.

[Hadouken]

You further went out of your way to use cherrypicked results with high south asian scores in afghans that obviously stem from Gedrosia/CHG hidden under it which is obviously NOT a south asian component, but a component that mixed into south asians than came from WEST asia. You literally believe that a pashtun has 30% South Asian ancestry, but then conclude that these calculators "are not accurate." The funny thing is that it is the ones with the higher south asian scores who actually sometimes have kurds appear in their oracle.

I didnt cherrypick anything . stop accusing me of shit . they are all posted by afghan members btw.

here more afghan pashtun results


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.24
2 South_Asian 24.56
3 Baltic 10.13
4 East_Med 9.91
5 North_Atlantic 4.98
6 Siberian 3.33
7 Amerindian 1.48
8 West_Med 1.22
9 Sub-Saharan 1.14


--

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 2.88
2 Kalash 11.42
3 Tadjik 11.89
4 Pathan 13.26
5 Makrani 13.99
6 Afghan_Tadjik 14.28
7 Balochi 14.88
8 Burusho 14.89
9 Brahui 15.93
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.67
11 Sindhi 19.4
12 Tabassaran 20.21
13 Turkmen 20.58
14 Lezgin 21.56
15 Chechen 21.8
16 Kumyk 22.13
17 Kabardin 23.07
18 Adygei 23.56
19 Balkar 24.09
20 Ossetian 24.12


---

the oracle of the guy in my previous post .


# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.6
2 Kalash 9.2
3 Balochi 12.67
4 Pathan 13.37
5 Makrani 13.38
6 Brahui 13.86
7 Burusho 14.42
8 Tadjik 14.66
9 Afghan_Tadjik 16.62
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.94
11 Sindhi 19.36
12 Tabassaran 20.63
13 Lezgin 22.08
14 Chechen 22.11
15 Kumyk 23.57
16 Kabardin 23.66
17 Turkmen 23.77
18 Adygei 24.16
19 North_Ossetian 24.48
20 Ossetian 24.66

[Petalpusher]

That doesn't mean that they're 20% Paniya, and that's just stupid. And your calculator just proved my point. The Pashtun sample is as "ASI" as Paniya is non ASI, meaning there is something else hidden under the ASI component. People keep denying the significant gene flow from west and Central Asia to south India and not vice versa, when vice versa has never happened before and any Onge in pashtuns comes from indirect admixture. They are not 25% Paniya.

1/4 S.Indian or 1/8 Australoid/Onge/Papuan, you can pick whichever you prefer.




Or like Europeans who try to diminish and deny significant semitic affinity in some Sm Europeans, which is actually very significant compared to anything indian in pashtuns. Or like French people who deny that they are genetically close to "25% Punjabis."
"Semitic" is arguably basal, Afghans are as basal if not more than many south europeans, i already demonstrated that because of the high Iran_N which is one of the most basal thing ever found. Not only you are 1/4 S.Asian but also highly "semitic", this is the sort of double combo you get at a cross road of Eurasia.


Nobody is 25% Punjabi in France or any country around, that's again your fantasies talking.

[Hadouken]

btw. myanthro I just noticed something . you repeatedly said that afghans are closer to north caucasians than kurds are . well no thats not true either

check this . the first pop. distance of the afghan I just posted is afghan pashtun at 2.88 so it is a good example of an afghan pashtun . the first north caucasian population he gets is tabassaran (dagestan) at a distance of 20.21 . the other pashtun guy gets tabassaran at 20.63


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 2.88
2 Kalash 11.42
3 Tadjik 11.89
4 Pathan 13.26
5 Makrani 13.99
6 Afghan_Tadjik 14.28
7 Balochi 14.88
8 Burusho 14.89
9 Brahui 15.93
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.67
11 Sindhi 19.4
12 Tabassaran 20.21
13 Turkmen 20.58
14 Lezgin 21.56
15 Chechen 21.8
16 Kumyk 22.13
17 Kabardin 23.07
18 Adygei 23.56
19 Balkar 24.09
20 Ossetian 24.12



now compare

me :

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 30.72
3 West_Med 8.32
4 South_Asian 6.79
5 Red_Sea 6.04
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Baltic 2.77
8 Sub-Saharan 1.3
9 Siberian 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.2
11 Amerindian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.06
2 Kurdish 4.85
3 Iranian 6.27
4 Armenian 7.5
5 Turkish 7.57
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.92
7 Assyrian 9.9
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.34
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.81
10 Kumyk 15.61
11 Lebanese_Muslim 16.01
12 Georgian 16.95
13 Turkmen 17.02
14 Syrian 17.07
15 Adygei 18.21
16 Abhkasian 18.44
17 Balkar 19.37
18 Ossetian 19.79
19 Cyprian 20.29
20 Kabardin 20.64

another Kurd


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.6
2 East_Med 29.85
3 West_Med 8.42
4 South_Asian 6.64
5 Red_Sea 5.55
6 Baltic 5
7 North_Atlantic 4.05
8 Siberian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.94
2 Azeri 5.8
3 Iranian 6.17
4 Armenian 7.71
5 Georgian_Jewish 8.64
6 Turkish 9.83
7 Assyrian 11.77
8 Kumyk 13.59
9 Georgian 13.77
10 Iranian_Jewish 14.65
11 Kurdish_Jewish 15.02
12 Abhkasian 15.33
13 Adygei 15.38
14 Balkar 17.31
15 Ossetian 17.54
16 Turkmen 17.99
17 North_Ossetian 18.17
18 Kabardin 18.45
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.83
20 Lezgin 19.69

[Myanthropologies]

btw. myanthro I just noticed something . you repeatedly said that afghans are closer to north caucasians than kurds are . well no thats not true either

check this . the first pop. distance of the afghan I just posted is afghan pashtun at 2.88 so it is a good example of an afghan pashtun . the first north caucasian population he gets is tabassaran (dagestan) at a distance of 20.21 . the other pashtun guy gets tabassaran at 20.63


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 2.88
2 Kalash 11.42
3 Tadjik 11.89
4 Pathan 13.26
5 Makrani 13.99
6 Afghan_Tadjik 14.28
7 Balochi 14.88
8 Burusho 14.89
9 Brahui 15.93
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.67
11 Sindhi 19.4
12 Tabassaran 20.21
13 Turkmen 20.58
14 Lezgin 21.56
15 Chechen 21.8
16 Kumyk 22.13
17 Kabardin 23.07
18 Adygei 23.56
19 Balkar 24.09
20 Ossetian 24.12



now compare

me :

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.1
2 East_Med 30.72
3 West_Med 8.32
4 South_Asian 6.79
5 Red_Sea 6.04
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Baltic 2.77
8 Sub-Saharan 1.3
9 Siberian 1.28
10 East_Asian 1.2
11 Amerindian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.06
2 Kurdish 4.85
3 Iranian 6.27
4 Armenian 7.5
5 Turkish 7.57
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.92
7 Assyrian 9.9
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.34
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.81
10 Kumyk 15.61
11 Lebanese_Muslim 16.01
12 Georgian 16.95
13 Turkmen 17.02
14 Syrian 17.07
15 Adygei 18.21
16 Abhkasian 18.44
17 Balkar 19.37
18 Ossetian 19.79
19 Cyprian 20.29
20 Kabardin 20.64

another Kurd


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.6
2 East_Med 29.85
3 West_Med 8.42
4 South_Asian 6.64
5 Red_Sea 5.55
6 Baltic 5
7 North_Atlantic 4.05
8 Siberian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 2.94
2 Azeri 5.8
3 Iranian 6.17
4 Armenian 7.71
5 Georgian_Jewish 8.64
6 Turkish 9.83
7 Assyrian 11.77
8 Kumyk 13.59
9 Georgian 13.77
10 Iranian_Jewish 14.65
11 Kurdish_Jewish 15.02
12 Abhkasian 15.33
13 Adygei 15.38
14 Balkar 17.31
15 Ossetian 17.54
16 Turkmen 17.99
17 North_Ossetian 18.17
18 Kabardin 18.45
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.83
20 Lezgin 19.69

That's like the same distance pashtuns get on most calculators.

[Hadouken]

That's like the same distance pashtuns get on most calculators.

yes and this disproves your thesis that pashtuns are closer to north caucasians than kurds are

at least genetically . however phenotypically there are more people among afghans who will look similar to north caucasians than among us IMO

[Myanthropologies]

1/4 S.Indian or 1/8 Australoid/Onge/Papuan, you can pick whichever you prefer.




"Semitic" is arguably basal, Afghans are as basal if not more than many south europeans, i already demonstrated that because of the high Iran_N which is one of the most basal thing ever found. Not only you are 1/4 S.Asian but also highly "semitic", this is the sort of double combo you get at a cross road

Nobody is 25% Punjabi in France or any country around, that's again your fantasies talking.

You're right. If she was 25% Punjabi and the rest full English, she would have clustered with Moldovians and been genetically more north than the French. However, she was a "25% punjabi" and 75% northern-western-southern European mutt and managed to still only be an 8 distance away from French people.

The West Asian aren't basal, I asked people at eurogenes, and what you said was wrong first of all. Afghans are barely semitic at all, otherwise they would score close to semites but they don't. The last time we got into an argument over this, you specifically argued that semitic is NOT basal.

And they don't have 1/4 south indian ancestry, they've only scored 25% South Asian on calculators that combine the north indian components. South Asian has a huge chunk of West Eurasian dna, which is obviously not native to India.

[Myanthropologies]

yes and this disproves your thesis that pashtuns are closer to north caucasians than kurds are

at least genetically . however phenotypically there are more people among afghans who will look similar to north caucasians than among us IMO

QUOTE=Myanthropologies;3970474]Some pashtuns are not closer to North India than to even the north Caucasus

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 2,323015
2 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,129354
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,18651
4 GujaratiA+Kumyk @ 3,751487
5 Balkar+GujaratiA @ 3,921542
6 Brahmin_UP+Chechen @ 3,965639
7 GujaratiA+North_Ossetian @ 4,008727
8 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,084433
9 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 4,170068
10 Adygei+GujaratiA @ 4,194072

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 5,781324
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 6,089563
3 Pathan @ 7,423369
4 Tadjik @ 7,725951
5 Kalash @ 9,694051
6 Afghan_Uzbek @ 10,583689
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 10,606791
8 Burusho @ 10,638608
9 GujaratiA @ 11,559264
10 Brahui @ 11,918173
11 Balochi @ 12,529396
12 Kumyk @ 13,44837
13 Turkmen @ 14,266564
14 Balkar @ 14,515
15 North_Ossetian @ 14,732751
16 Nogai @ 15,432176
17 Afghan_Turkmen @ 15,515495
18 Brahmin_UP @ 15,769253
19 Iranian @ 15,813125
20 Adygei @ 15,835659
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 3,236478
2 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 3,332307
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,525632
4 Lezgin+Pathan @ 3,794516
5 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,966627
6 Chechen+Pathan @ 4,17975
7 Pathan+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,465679
8 Chechen+Kalash @ 4,639514
9 Kalash+Lezgin @ 4,673726
10 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,766173

Afghans are genetically diverse, and phenotypically as well. That's why it's stupid to assume things about them[/QUOTE]

It doesn't prove anything, because Afghan oracles vary a lot, and even on owights oracles that he once posted, he scored the same. On top of that, Pashtuns are genetically closer to some specific north Caucasus groups than Kurds are such as Lezgins and Chechens. I dint care about that. I didn't even know who Chechens were until before the Boston bombing incident anyways. My point is that calling afghans central south asian is factually incorrect because they are closest to west asians outside of Afghanistan. They are closer to South asians than other west asians are, but they are still closest to west asians.

[Pahli]

1/4 S.Indian or 1/8 Australoid/Onge/Papuan, you can pick whichever you prefer.




"Semitic" is arguably basal, Afghans are as basal if not more than many south europeans, i already demonstrated that because of the high Iran_N which is one of the most basal thing ever found. Not only you are 1/4 S.Asian but also highly "semitic", this is the sort of double combo you get at a cross road of Eurasia.




You're right. If she was 25% Punjabi and the rest full English, she would have clustered with Moldovians and been genetically more north than the French. However, she was a "25% punjabi" and 75% northern-western-southern European mutt and managed to still only be an 8 distance away from French people.

The West Asian aren't basal, I asked people at eurogenes, and what you said was wrong first of all. Afghans are barely semitic at all, otherwise they would score close to semites but they don't. The last time we got into an argument over this, you specifically argued that semitic is NOT basal.

And they don't have 1/4 south indian ancestry, they've only scored 25% South Asian on calculators that combine the north indian components. South Asian has a huge chunk of West Eurasian dna, which is obviously not native to India.

South Asian can be broken down to ASI, which is like 60% West Eurasian and 40% Australoid, this still leaves you with around 10% Australoid / ASI admixture.

[Hadouken]

^ that was not my point

nevermind . what exactly are burushos btw ?

['owight Gavnah]

^ that was not my point

nevermind . what exactly are burushos btw ?

Ethnic group that live in northern Pakistan, gilgit baltistan and khyber pakhtunkhwa. They speak the burusho language. They are similar to kalash, Pashtuns and other northern Pakistanis. Cool bunch tbh

[Myanthropologies]

^ that was not my point

nevermind . what exactly are burushos btw ?

They're similar to the kalash.

['owight Gavnah]

South Asian can be broken down to ASI, which is like 60% West Eurasian and 40% Australoid, this still leaves you with around 10% Australoid / ASI admixture.

Well if k9 ASI is the one we are talking about, then it's a little less than 10%. I mean come on it's not even a lot.

[Pahli]

Well if k9 ASI is the one we are talking about, then it's a little less than 10%. I mean come on it's not even a lot.

Well its more noticable in some Afghans than others, but it clearly affects skin colour since ASI is responsible for bringing genes for veddoid skin colour while CHG and the Steppe admixture brings genes for lighter skin. Look at Iran, despite having much less ASI, they can still get dark skin, but usually not as extreme as some Afghans.

Take a look at this to get an idea of how it works:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/06/22/phenotype-snps-from-the-ancient-near-east/comment-page-1/

[Hadouken]

Well if k9 ASI is the one we are talking about, then it's a little less than 10%. I mean come on it's not even a lot.

it isnt (compared to desis) but noticably higher than in us . thats what I am trying to say xD it doesnt mean that you are south asians

it is like this

west asians (around 2%) ----------------------------afghans (around 8%) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------south asians (15-30%)

[Petalpusher]

The West Asian aren't basal, I asked people at eurogenes, and what you said was wrong first of all. Afghans are barely semitic at all, otherwise they would score close to semites but they don't. The last time we got into an argument over this, you specifically argued that semitic is NOT basal.

And they don't have 1/4 south indian ancestry, they've only scored 25% South Asian on calculators that combine the north indian components. South Asian has a huge chunk of West Eurasian dna, which is obviously not native to India.

Semitic doesn't really exist genetically, it's as dumb of a label as Czech-itic, but still arguably it's more highly associated with basal in ancient or not so ancient semitic populations. So i try to deal with the material of your posts..

Either way you must have been asking the wrong people. Lazaridis again :

https://s12.postimg.org/lsor6a1dp/basal_neanderthal.png

Most Basal stuff in the universe : Iran neolithic and hotullb. But on a more technical level, the affinity is increased also because there s not much to counteract it, like it's the case when combined with WHG/SHG and that kind of stuff.

['owight Gavnah]

yes and this disproves your thesis that pashtuns are closer to north caucasians than kurds are

at least genetically . however phenotypically there are more people among afghans who will look similar to north caucasians than among us IMO


I guess it depends individual to individual but yeah, both Kurds and afghans are relatively close to north Caucasians, that's not in doubt.

I agree with afghans being closer phenotypically but you also get Kurds that's look ultra Caucasian. Look at these guys, they are afghans, most of them could individually pass in Caucasus Imo http://i63.tinypic.com/k4at6a.jpg

[Myanthropologies]

Well its more noticable in some Afghans than others, but it clearly affects skin colour since ASI is responsible for bringing veddoid skin colour while CHG and the Steppe admixture brings lighter skin. Look at Iran, despite having much less ASI, they can still get dark skin, but usually not as extreme as some Afghans.

Most Afghans are lighter skinned than the Iranians I have met. Not by much, but still. The Pamiri Tajiks also have similar levels of veddoid and they're some of the whitest looking in the MENA area. Heck, the Kalash are closer to Punjabis than to pashtuns and they still look like this

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XC3wwwW-tvA/UArn4NqKuSI/AAAAAAAAYPo/d9lZfcCPqf4/w1200-h630-p-nu/kalash+pakistan+hindu+kush+2.jpg

Afghans do not have "extreme dark skin." If that was a common occurrence, you would have met one on this forum by now. Neither owight or I have extreme dark skin, and while Registan describes himself as kind of dark looking, he gets mistaken for Turkish I think, he isn't "extremely dark." I posted my family and they weren't extremely dark at all.

[Pahli]

Semitic doesn't really exist genetically, it's as dumb of a label as Czech-itic, but still arguably it's more highly associated with basal in ancient or not so ancient semitic populations. So i try to deal with the material of your posts..

Either way you must have been asking the wrong people. Lazaridis again :

https://s12.postimg.org/lsor6a1dp/basal_neanderthal.png

Most Basal stuff in the universe : Iran neolithic and hotullb. But on a more technical level, the affinity is increased also because there s not much to counteract it, like it's the case when combined with WHG/SHG and that kind of stuff.

What causes Iran_Hotu to be so basal? Its quite similar to Kotias except some 10% South Asian admixtue, where Iran_Neo is 20% South Asian.

[Hadouken]

Afghans do not have "extreme dark skin." If that was a common occurrence, you would have met one on this forum by now. Neither owight or I have extreme dark skin, and while Registan describes himself as kind of dark looking, he gets mistaken for Turkish I think, he isn't "extremely dark." I posted my family and they weren't extremely dark at all.

none afghan member I have seen so far in forums has been reall dark you are right . in fact some people (like you) are actually rather pale .

['owight Gavnah]

it isnt (compared to desis) but noticably higher than in us . thats what I am trying to say xD it doesnt mean that you are south asians

it is like this

west asians (around 2%) ----------------------------afghans (around 8%) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------south asians (15-30%)

Meh don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but west Asians vary, the user Jesus on anthrogenica scored a little more than 5%, other Iranians also score a little more than 3%. Also, we haven't seen what western afghans will come out as. It's a gradient, Ofcourse we are going to have higher ASI, that doesn't make us South Asian or any less "west Asian" imo.

[Hadouken]

Meh don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but west Asians vary, the user Jesus on anthrogenica scored a little more than 5%, other Iranians also score a little more than 3%. Also, we haven't seen what western afghans will come out as. It's a gradient, Ofcourse we are going to have higher ASI, that doesn't make us South Asian or any less "west Asian" imo.

west asians dont vary THAT much . those who are outside of what is "standard" are either from bordering areas or atypical cases (or even have some other ancestry also) . I am not talking about Jesus and dont mean him with this but generally. I can give you a lot of standard/normal west asian results . I made this for you : all are Kurds from my homeplace

me


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36


Kurd Dersim 2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.78
2 SW_Asian 23.19
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.85
4 WHG 8.07
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.84
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.64
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.45
8 SE_Asian 0.14
9 W_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.02
2 Kurd_N 5.33
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Armenian 7.83
5 Georgian 8.5
6 Georgian_Jew 8.5
7 Abkhasian 8.97
8 Turkish 9.56
9 Azeri_Dagestan 9.61
10 Adygei 10.22
11 Kumyk 10.41
12 Iranian_Jew 10.66
13 Chechen 12.04
14 Kurd_C 12.65
15 Lezgin 14.07
16 Druze 14.64
17 Iraqi_Jew 14.67
18 Lebanese 15.62
19 Syrian 15.85
20 Cypriot 16.42


Kurd Dersim 3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.05
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.11
3 SW_Asian 21.83
4 WHG 5.64
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.75
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.92
8 W_African 0.27
9 SE_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.91
2 Kurd_N 6.13
3 Georgian 6.5
4 Armenian 6.53
5 Abkhasian 7.53
6 Iranian 7.81
7 Georgian_Jew 8.3
8 Turkish 9.53
9 Iranian_Jew 9.91
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.6
11 Kurd_C 10.73
12 Adygei 11.07
13 Kumyk 11.77
14 Chechen 13.51
15 Druze 14.45
16 Iraqi_Jew 14.61
17 Lebanese 15.71
18 Lezgin 15.87
19 Cypriot 15.93
20 Syrian 16.72


Kurd Dersim 4


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.63
2 SW_Asian 26.35
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.99
4 WHG 6.52
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.49
6 SE_Asian 2.61
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.38
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 6.42
2 Kurd_N 6.42
3 Georgian_Jew 6.66
4 Iranian 7.72
5 Armenian 7.83
6 Iranian_Jew 8.9
7 Turkish 10.6
8 Georgian 10.82
9 Abkhasian 11.57
10 Iraqi_Jew 12.2
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.54
12 Druze 12.6
13 Syrian 13.38
14 Kumyk 13.47
15 Adygei 13.52
16 Lebanese 13.71
17 Kurd_C 14.13
18 Chechen 14.98
19 Cypriot 15.66
20 Jordanian 15.73


Kurd Dersim 5


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.16
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.31
3 SW_Asian 21.78
4 WHG 8.83
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.56
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.31
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
8 W_African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.95
2 Kurd_N 7.73
3 Turkish 8.23
4 Adygei 8.33
5 Kumyk 8.38
6 Iranian 8.66
7 Azeri_Dagestan 8.79
8 Armenian 9.36
9 Georgian 9.43
10 Abkhasian 9.7
11 Georgian_Jew 10.19
12 Chechen 10.32
13 Iranian_Jew 12.52
14 Lezgin 12.76
15 Kurd_C 13.66
16 Druze 15.54
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.06
18 Lebanese 16.14
19 Cypriot 16.39
20 Syrian 16.66


Kurd Dersim 6

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Kurd Dersim 7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.66
2 SW_Asian 24.43
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.41
4 WHG 10.06
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.15
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.15
7 SE_Asian 0.88
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.83
9 W_African 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.41
2 Azeri 7.27
3 Armenian 8.78
4 Georgian_Jew 9.02
5 Kurd_N 9.34
6 Kumyk 10.63
7 Iranian 10.88
8 Adygei 10.92
9 Iranian_Jew 11.61
10 Georgian 11.64
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.16
12 Abkhasian 12.51
13 Druze 12.78
14 Chechen 12.94
15 Lebanese 13.07
16 Cypriot 13.47
17 Syrian 13.57
18 Iraqi_Jew 13.75
19 Lezgin 15.45
20 Jordanian 15.63


Kurd Dersim 8


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.93
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22
3 SW_Asian 19.74
4 WHG 9.02
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.59
7 SE_Asian 1.44
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 5.03
2 Azeri 5.39
3 Iranian 5.72
4 Abkhasian 6.15
5 Georgian 6.31
6 Azeri_Dagestan 8.9
7 Armenian 9.47
8 Adygei 9.93
9 Kurd_C 10.4
10 Kumyk 10.78
11 Georgian_Jew 11.66
12 Turkish 11.74
13 Chechen 11.97
14 Iranian_Jew 13.22
15 Lezgin 13.81
16 Iraqi_Jew 18.04
17 Druze 18.23
18 Lebanese 19.48
19 Syrian 19.59
20 Cypriot 19.62

['owight Gavnah]

Well its more noticable in some Afghans than others, but it clearly affects skin colour since ASI is responsible for bringing genes for veddoid skin colour while CHG and the Steppe admixture brings genes for lighter skin. Look at Iran, despite having much less ASI, they can still get dark skin, but usually not as extreme as some Afghans.

Take a look at this to get an idea of how it works:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/06/22/phenotype-snps-from-the-ancient-near-east/comment-page-1/

Like Gum dum mentioned earlier, he made a good point, ASI among afghans and kalash burushos, are not recent ASI. It's ancient stuff, compared to let's say peninsular Indians, or punjabis who have recent ASI, that's why they are darker. Also I don't buy the fact having ASI makes your skin darker, southern Pashtus score less ASI than Northeen Pashtuns, yet on average are darker.

[Babak]

Most Afghans are lighter skinned than the Iranians I have met. Not by much, but still. The Pamiri Tajiks also have similar levels of veddoid and they're some of the whitest looking in the MENA area. Heck, the Kalash are closer to Punjabis than to pashtuns and they still look like this

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XC3wwwW-tvA/UArn4NqKuSI/AAAAAAAAYPo/d9lZfcCPqf4/w1200-h630-p-nu/kalash+pakistan+hindu+kush+2.jpg

Afghans do not have "extreme dark skin." If that was a common occurrence, you would have met one on this forum by now. Neither owight or I have extreme dark skin, and while Registan describes himself as kind of dark looking, he gets mistaken for Turkish I think, he isn't "extremely dark." I posted my family and they weren't extremely dark at all.

youre looking at rural areas. pashtuns and iranians are on par with skin color

['owight Gavnah]

west asians dont vary THAT much . those who are outside of what is "standard" are either from bordering areas or atypical cases (or even have some other ancestry also) . I am not talking about Jesus and dont mean him with this but generally. I can give you a lot of standard/normal west asian results . I made this for you : all are Kurds from my homeplace

me


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36


Kurd Dersim 2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.78
2 SW_Asian 23.19
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.85
4 WHG 8.07
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.84
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.64
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.45
8 SE_Asian 0.14
9 W_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.02
2 Kurd_N 5.33
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Armenian 7.83
5 Georgian 8.5
6 Georgian_Jew 8.5
7 Abkhasian 8.97
8 Turkish 9.56
9 Azeri_Dagestan 9.61
10 Adygei 10.22
11 Kumyk 10.41
12 Iranian_Jew 10.66
13 Chechen 12.04
14 Kurd_C 12.65
15 Lezgin 14.07
16 Druze 14.64
17 Iraqi_Jew 14.67
18 Lebanese 15.62
19 Syrian 15.85
20 Cypriot 16.42


Kurd Dersim 3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.05
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.11
3 SW_Asian 21.83
4 WHG 5.64
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.75
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.92
8 W_African 0.27
9 SE_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.91
2 Kurd_N 6.13
3 Georgian 6.5
4 Armenian 6.53
5 Abkhasian 7.53
6 Iranian 7.81
7 Georgian_Jew 8.3
8 Turkish 9.53
9 Iranian_Jew 9.91
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.6
11 Kurd_C 10.73
12 Adygei 11.07
13 Kumyk 11.77
14 Chechen 13.51
15 Druze 14.45
16 Iraqi_Jew 14.61
17 Lebanese 15.71
18 Lezgin 15.87
19 Cypriot 15.93
20 Syrian 16.72


Kurd Dersim 4


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.63
2 SW_Asian 26.35
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.99
4 WHG 6.52
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.49
6 SE_Asian 2.61
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.38
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 6.42
2 Kurd_N 6.42
3 Georgian_Jew 6.66
4 Iranian 7.72
5 Armenian 7.83
6 Iranian_Jew 8.9
7 Turkish 10.6
8 Georgian 10.82
9 Abkhasian 11.57
10 Iraqi_Jew 12.2
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.54
12 Druze 12.6
13 Syrian 13.38
14 Kumyk 13.47
15 Adygei 13.52
16 Lebanese 13.71
17 Kurd_C 14.13
18 Chechen 14.98
19 Cypriot 15.66
20 Jordanian 15.73


Kurd Dersim 5


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.16
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.31
3 SW_Asian 21.78
4 WHG 8.83
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.56
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.31
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
8 W_African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.95
2 Kurd_N 7.73
3 Turkish 8.23
4 Adygei 8.33
5 Kumyk 8.38
6 Iranian 8.66
7 Azeri_Dagestan 8.79
8 Armenian 9.36
9 Georgian 9.43
10 Abkhasian 9.7
11 Georgian_Jew 10.19
12 Chechen 10.32
13 Iranian_Jew 12.52
14 Lezgin 12.76
15 Kurd_C 13.66
16 Druze 15.54
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.06
18 Lebanese 16.14
19 Cypriot 16.39
20 Syrian 16.66


Kurd Dersim 6

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Kurd Dersim 7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.66
2 SW_Asian 24.43
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.41
4 WHG 10.06
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.15
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.15
7 SE_Asian 0.88
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.83
9 W_African 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.41
2 Azeri 7.27
3 Armenian 8.78
4 Georgian_Jew 9.02
5 Kurd_N 9.34
6 Kumyk 10.63
7 Iranian 10.88
8 Adygei 10.92
9 Iranian_Jew 11.61
10 Georgian 11.64
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.16
12 Abkhasian 12.51
13 Druze 12.78
14 Chechen 12.94
15 Lebanese 13.07
16 Cypriot 13.47
17 Syrian 13.57
18 Iraqi_Jew 13.75
19 Lezgin 15.45
20 Jordanian 15.63


Kurd Dersim 8


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.93
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22
3 SW_Asian 19.74
4 WHG 9.02
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.59
7 SE_Asian 1.44
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 5.03
2 Azeri 5.39
3 Iranian 5.72
4 Abkhasian 6.15
5 Georgian 6.31
6 Azeri_Dagestan 8.9
7 Armenian 9.47
8 Adygei 9.93
9 Kurd_C 10.4
10 Kumyk 10.78
11 Georgian_Jew 11.66
12 Turkish 11.74
13 Chechen 11.97
14 Iranian_Jew 13.22
15 Lezgin 13.81
16 Iraqi_Jew 18.04
17 Druze 18.23
18 Lebanese 19.48
19 Syrian 19.59
20 Cypriot 19.62


Thanks that's interesting. However, like I said it's a gradient more or less, eastern Iranians will score similar levels to western afghans, the distance between dersim and Logar for instance is a lot, so the ASI difference makes sense.

[Petalpusher]

What causes Iran_Hotu to be so basal? Its quite similar to Kotias except some 10% South Asian admixtue, where Iran_Neo is 20% South Asian.

It's probably just more of the ENA type of basal. Hotu is closer to S.Indians in stats despite having apparently less S.Asian. it's not a contradiction, they might just have more of that something else basal that is closer to S.Indians overall) or as i was thinking earlier, they maybe have less HG type of stuff, which is the thing counteracting basal the most. For example Natufians were highly Basal but they are in K7 25% WHG, since WHG is the least basal thing, it lowers their affinity.

[Myanthropologies]

youre looking at rural areas. pashtuns and iranians are on par with skin color

That's what I'm saying. Pashtuns aren't pasty, but they're not darker than other west asians really. Not that super dark people don't exist (I have a cousin that could pass as an atypical Gujurati), but that's very very rare.

[Myanthropologies]

It's probably just more of the ENA type of basal. Hotu is closer to S.Indians in stats despite having apparently less S.Asian. it's not a contradiction, they might just have more of that something else basal that is closer to S.Indians overall) or as i was thinking earlier, they maybe have less HG type of stuff, which is the thing counteracting basal the most.

So do "semites" and South Indians have genetic relationships? This would make sense as part of India is technically southwest asia.

[Myanthropologies]

west asians dont vary THAT much . those who are outside of what is "standard" are either from bordering areas or atypical cases (or even have some other ancestry also) . I am not talking about Jesus and dont mean him with this but generally. I can give you a lot of standard/normal west asian results . I made this for you : all are Kurds from my homeplace

me


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.19
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.34
3 SW_Asian 20.81
4 WHG 7.94
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.42
6 SE_Asian 2.52
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.89
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 3.4
2 Kurd_N 5.81
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Georgian 7.54
5 Abkhasian 7.74
6 Turkish 8.51
7 Armenian 8.57
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.64
9 Adygei 8.84
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 9.98
12 Chechen 11.12
13 Kurd_C 11.48
14 Iranian_Jew 12.04
15 Lezgin 13.39
16 Druze 16.1
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.29
18 Lebanese 17.04
19 Syrian 17.35
20 Cypriot 17.36


Kurd Dersim 2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.78
2 SW_Asian 23.19
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.85
4 WHG 8.07
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.84
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.64
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.45
8 SE_Asian 0.14
9 W_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.02
2 Kurd_N 5.33
3 Iranian 6.59
4 Armenian 7.83
5 Georgian 8.5
6 Georgian_Jew 8.5
7 Abkhasian 8.97
8 Turkish 9.56
9 Azeri_Dagestan 9.61
10 Adygei 10.22
11 Kumyk 10.41
12 Iranian_Jew 10.66
13 Chechen 12.04
14 Kurd_C 12.65
15 Lezgin 14.07
16 Druze 14.64
17 Iraqi_Jew 14.67
18 Lebanese 15.62
19 Syrian 15.85
20 Cypriot 16.42


Kurd Dersim 3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 37.05
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 25.11
3 SW_Asian 21.83
4 WHG 5.64
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.38
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.75
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.92
8 W_African 0.27
9 SE_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.91
2 Kurd_N 6.13
3 Georgian 6.5
4 Armenian 6.53
5 Abkhasian 7.53
6 Iranian 7.81
7 Georgian_Jew 8.3
8 Turkish 9.53
9 Iranian_Jew 9.91
10 Azeri_Dagestan 10.6
11 Kurd_C 10.73
12 Adygei 11.07
13 Kumyk 11.77
14 Chechen 13.51
15 Druze 14.45
16 Iraqi_Jew 14.61
17 Lebanese 15.71
18 Lezgin 15.87
19 Cypriot 15.93
20 Syrian 16.72


Kurd Dersim 4


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.63
2 SW_Asian 26.35
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.99
4 WHG 6.52
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.49
6 SE_Asian 2.61
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.38
8 Siberian_E_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 6.42
2 Kurd_N 6.42
3 Georgian_Jew 6.66
4 Iranian 7.72
5 Armenian 7.83
6 Iranian_Jew 8.9
7 Turkish 10.6
8 Georgian 10.82
9 Abkhasian 11.57
10 Iraqi_Jew 12.2
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.54
12 Druze 12.6
13 Syrian 13.38
14 Kumyk 13.47
15 Adygei 13.52
16 Lebanese 13.71
17 Kurd_C 14.13
18 Chechen 14.98
19 Cypriot 15.66
20 Jordanian 15.73


Kurd Dersim 5


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 35.16
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.31
3 SW_Asian 21.78
4 WHG 8.83
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.56
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.31
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.9
8 W_African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 5.95
2 Kurd_N 7.73
3 Turkish 8.23
4 Adygei 8.33
5 Kumyk 8.38
6 Iranian 8.66
7 Azeri_Dagestan 8.79
8 Armenian 9.36
9 Georgian 9.43
10 Abkhasian 9.7
11 Georgian_Jew 10.19
12 Chechen 10.32
13 Iranian_Jew 12.52
14 Lezgin 12.76
15 Kurd_C 13.66
16 Druze 15.54
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.06
18 Lebanese 16.14
19 Cypriot 16.39
20 Syrian 16.66


Kurd Dersim 6

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 38
2 SW_Asian 24.76
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.34
4 WHG 8.31
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.42
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.05
7 SE_Asian 1.14
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.07
2 Kurd_N 4.35
3 Iranian 6.68
4 Armenian 6.68
5 Georgian_Jew 7.29
6 Georgian 8.62
7 Abkhasian 9.32
8 Iranian_Jew 9.42
9 Turkish 9.78
10 Azeri_Dagestan 11.24
11 Adygei 11.9
12 Kumyk 12.12
13 Kurd_C 12.81
14 Iraqi_Jew 13.41
15 Druze 13.78
16 Chechen 13.86
17 Syrian 14.97
18 Lebanese 15.01
19 Lezgin 15.78
20 Cypriot 16.23



Kurd Dersim 7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 32.66
2 SW_Asian 24.43
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.41
4 WHG 10.06
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.15
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.15
7 SE_Asian 0.88
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.83
9 W_African 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 6.41
2 Azeri 7.27
3 Armenian 8.78
4 Georgian_Jew 9.02
5 Kurd_N 9.34
6 Kumyk 10.63
7 Iranian 10.88
8 Adygei 10.92
9 Iranian_Jew 11.61
10 Georgian 11.64
11 Azeri_Dagestan 12.16
12 Abkhasian 12.51
13 Druze 12.78
14 Chechen 12.94
15 Lebanese 13.07
16 Cypriot 13.47
17 Syrian 13.57
18 Iraqi_Jew 13.75
19 Lezgin 15.45
20 Jordanian 15.63


Kurd Dersim 8


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.93
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22
3 SW_Asian 19.74
4 WHG 9.02
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 3.25
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.59
7 SE_Asian 1.44
8 Siberian_E_Asian 1.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_N 5.03
2 Azeri 5.39
3 Iranian 5.72
4 Abkhasian 6.15
5 Georgian 6.31
6 Azeri_Dagestan 8.9
7 Armenian 9.47
8 Adygei 9.93
9 Kurd_C 10.4
10 Kumyk 10.78
11 Georgian_Jew 11.66
12 Turkish 11.74
13 Chechen 11.97
14 Iranian_Jew 13.22
15 Lezgin 13.81
16 Iraqi_Jew 18.04
17 Druze 18.23
18 Lebanese 19.48
19 Syrian 19.59
20 Cypriot 19.62


If you count everyone from Saudis/Yemenis to Lezgins as "West Asians," then it is not a stretch at all to include afghans.

[Pahli]

It's probably just more of the ENA type of basal. Hotu is closer to S.Indians in stats despite having apparently less S.Asian. it's not a contradiction, they might just have more of that something else basal that is closer to S.Indians overall) or as i was thinking earlier, they maybe have less HG type of stuff, which is the thing counteracting basal the most. For example Natufians were highly Basal but they are in K7 25% WHG.

I asked because the calculators showed Iran_Hotu as dominantly CHG with minor South Asian and EHG admixture, but I am not sure if thats correct or not. Quite confusing, the calculators say one thing and then I'm being shown one whole other thing here :laugh:

[gum_dum]

Like Gum dum mentioned earlier, he made a good point, ASI among afghans and kalash burushos, are not recent ASI. It's ancient stuff, compared to let's say peninsular Indians, or punjabis who have recent ASI, that's why they are darker. Also I don't buy the fact having ASI makes your skin darker, southern Pashtus score less ASI than Northeen Pashtuns, yet on average are darker.

I didn't say anything about recent ASI because no one knows. The only fact here is that punjabis score higher ASI then pakhtuns and it shows in phenotype. Dalits in punjab also score higher then general punjabis and it also shows in their phenotype. Veddoid is much more common in punjabi dalits then other punjabis. Kalash brushos are lighter then pakhtuns yet score similar ASI, that could be because of isolation and inbreeding. Pakhtuns are not isolated and neither they are fringe groups like Kalash/Brusho with less then 100.000 population. BTW Brusho also have considerable east asian which again shows in their phenotype.

To get better idea see pictures of politicians from all over Pakistan.

http://na.gov.pk/en/all_members.php

[Shah-Jehan]

I didn't say anything about recent ASI because no one knows. The only fact here is that punjabis score higher ASI then pakhtuns and it shows in phenotype. Dalits in punjab also score higher then general punjabis and it also shows in their phenotype. Veddoid is much more common in punjabi dalits then other punjabis. Kalash brushos are lighter then pakhtuns yet score similar ASI, that could be because of isolation and inbreeding. Pakhtuns are not isolated and neither they are fringe groups like Kalash/Brusho with less then 100.000 population. BTW Brusho also have considerable east asian which again shows in their phenotype.

To get better idea see pictures of politicians from all over Pakistan.

http://na.gov.pk/en/all_members.php

Why have you elected white people for Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and FATA ??? :eek:

[Petalpusher]

I asked because the calculators showed Iran_Hotu as dominantly CHG with minor South Asian and EHG admixture, but I am not sure if thats correct or not. Quite confusing, the calculators say one thing and then I'm being shown one whole other thing here :laugh:

You mean in K9? is there a kit number for Iran_hotu?

In K7 BR:

Iran_Hotu:I1293
AG3 44,29
Andamanese 2,99
Basal 47,74
Oceanian 1,05
Southeast Asian 3,93
SSA 0
Villabruna 0

It's not that basal here relatively but it has absoluletely no WHG, contrary to the chalcolothic or IA that have more Basal but also more WHG.

[Pahli]

You mean in K9? is there a kit number for Iran_hotu?

M825671 I1293 Iran Mesolithic [9100-8600 BC] HV2 J2a-M410>CTS1085

Here's the K9 for Iran_Hotu:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.36
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 26.25
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.16
4 SW_Asian 4.03
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.2
6 W_African 2.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KOTIAS 13.92
2 Kurd_SE 16.6
3 Kalash 18.69
4 Pashtun_Afghan 18.82
5 Tajik_Pomiri 20.82
6 Pathan 21.32
7 Lezgin 23.13
8 Balochi 23.64
9 Punjabi 23.65
10 Makrani 23.87
11 Brahui 24.53
12 Azeri_Dagestan 24.66
13 Burusho 24.91
14 Chechen 25.82
15 Kurd_C 27.41
16 Tajik_Afghan 27.87
17 Adygei 28.2
18 Kumyk 28.55
19 Abkhasian 29.11
20 Uzbek_Afghan 29.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% KOTIAS + 16.2% MA1 @ 1.26
2 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Samara_HG @ 3.98
3 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Karelia_HG @ 3.98
4 82.9% KOTIAS + 17.1% RISE_baAndrov @ 8.47
5 83.2% KOTIAS + 16.8% RISE_baMezh @ 8.77
6 83.3% KOTIAS + 16.7% Srubnaya @ 9.31
7 84.3% KOTIAS + 15.7% RISE_baKarasuk @ 9.49
8 79.5% Brahui + 20.5% Karelia_HG @ 9.73
9 79.5% Brahui + 20.5% Samara_HG @ 9.73
10 85.2% KOTIAS + 14.8% RISE_baSin @ 9.74
11 81.3% KOTIAS + 18.7% Scythian_IA @ 9.94
12 85.4% KOTIAS + 14.6% RISE_baUne @ 10.24
13 82.1% KOTIAS + 17.9% RISE_irAltai @ 10.31
14 80.5% Balochi + 19.5% Karelia_HG @ 10.46
15 80.5% Balochi + 19.5% Samara_HG @ 10.46
16 80.3% Makrani + 19.7% Karelia_HG @ 10.57
17 80.3% Makrani + 19.7% Samara_HG @ 10.57
18 87.3% Kurd_SE + 12.7% Samara_HG @ 10.65
19 87.3% Kurd_SE + 12.7% Karelia_HG @ 10.65
20 87.5% KOTIAS + 12.5% RISE_baSca @ 10.99

10000 I1290 Neolithic Iran M967114

Here's K9 for Iran_Neo:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 70.25
2 SW_Asian 8.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.92
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.59
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 4.5
6 W_African 3.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 10.38
2 Makrani 11.73
3 Balochi 12
4 KOTIAS 14.32
5 Kurd_SE 18.26
6 Kalash 19.75
7 Pathan 20.13
8 Punjabi 20.86
9 Pashtun_Afghan 22.89
10 Burusho 24.39
11 Kurd_C 28.73
12 SATSURBILA 29.95
13 Tajik_Pomiri 30.92
14 Iranian 31.12
15 Azeri_Dagestan 31.26
16 Abkhasian 31.33
17 Lezgin 32.37
18 Tajik_Afghan 32.42
19 Kurd_N 33.21
20 Georgian 33.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Makrani + 27.1% SATSURBILA @ 4.01
2 73.2% Balochi + 26.8% SATSURBILA @ 5.27
3 77.3% Brahui + 22.7% SATSURBILA @ 5.8
4 51% SATSURBILA + 49% Iranian @ 7.29
5 57.3% Pashtun_Afghan + 42.7% SATSURBILA @ 7.69
6 51.1% SATSURBILA + 48.9% Azeri_Dagestan @ 7.78
7 65.4% Brahui + 34.6% KOTIAS @ 8.37
8 52.1% SATSURBILA + 47.9% Lezgin @ 8.55
9 54.1% SATSURBILA + 45.9% Azeri @ 8.72
10 51.1% Kurd_C + 48.9% SATSURBILA @ 8.73
11 53.8% SATSURBILA + 46.2% Chechen @ 8.78
12 52.8% SATSURBILA + 47.2% Kurd_N @ 8.8
13 55.2% SATSURBILA + 44.8% Kumyk @ 8.88
14 54.6% SATSURBILA + 45.4% Adygei @ 9.05
15 64.4% Kurd_SE + 35.6% SATSURBILA @ 9.17
16 72.3% KOTIAS + 27.7% SATSURBILA @ 9.26
17 51.2% SATSURBILA + 48.8% Abkhasian @ 9.27
18 61.5% Pathan + 38.5% SATSURBILA @ 9.5
19 61.1% Makrani + 38.9% KOTIAS @ 9.57
20 60% SATSURBILA + 40% Turkish @ 9.63

[Hadouken]

If you count everyone from Saudis/Yemenis to Lezgins as "West Asians," then it is not a stretch at all to include afghans.

saudis/yemenis are not west asians. afghans are more west asian than them

[lameduck]

M825671 I1293 Iran Mesolithic [9100-8600 BC] HV2 J2a-M410>CTS1085

Here's the K9 for Iran_Hotu:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.36
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 26.25
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 11.16
4 SW_Asian 4.03
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.2
6 W_African 2.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KOTIAS 13.92
2 Kurd_SE 16.6
3 Kalash 18.69
4 Pashtun_Afghan 18.82
5 Tajik_Pomiri 20.82
6 Pathan 21.32
7 Lezgin 23.13
8 Balochi 23.64
9 Punjabi 23.65
10 Makrani 23.87
11 Brahui 24.53
12 Azeri_Dagestan 24.66
13 Burusho 24.91
14 Chechen 25.82
15 Kurd_C 27.41
16 Tajik_Afghan 27.87
17 Adygei 28.2
18 Kumyk 28.55
19 Abkhasian 29.11
20 Uzbek_Afghan 29.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% KOTIAS + 16.2% MA1 @ 1.26
2 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Samara_HG @ 3.98
3 86.8% KOTIAS + 13.2% Karelia_HG @ 3.98
4 82.9% KOTIAS + 17.1% RISE_baAndrov @ 8.47
5 83.2% KOTIAS + 16.8% RISE_baMezh @ 8.77
6 83.3% KOTIAS + 16.7% Srubnaya @ 9.31
7 84.3% KOTIAS + 15.7% RISE_baKarasuk @ 9.49
8 79.5% Brahui + 20.5% Karelia_HG @ 9.73
9 79.5% Brahui + 20.5% Samara_HG @ 9.73
10 85.2% KOTIAS + 14.8% RISE_baSin @ 9.74
11 81.3% KOTIAS + 18.7% Scythian_IA @ 9.94
12 85.4% KOTIAS + 14.6% RISE_baUne @ 10.24
13 82.1% KOTIAS + 17.9% RISE_irAltai @ 10.31
14 80.5% Balochi + 19.5% Karelia_HG @ 10.46
15 80.5% Balochi + 19.5% Samara_HG @ 10.46
16 80.3% Makrani + 19.7% Karelia_HG @ 10.57
17 80.3% Makrani + 19.7% Samara_HG @ 10.57
18 87.3% Kurd_SE + 12.7% Samara_HG @ 10.65
19 87.3% Kurd_SE + 12.7% Karelia_HG @ 10.65
20 87.5% KOTIAS + 12.5% RISE_baSca @ 10.99

10000 I1290 Neolithic Iran M967114

Here's K9 for Iran_Neo:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 70.25
2 SW_Asian 8.51
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 6.92
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.59
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 4.5
6 W_African 3.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 10.38
2 Makrani 11.73
3 Balochi 12
4 KOTIAS 14.32
5 Kurd_SE 18.26
6 Kalash 19.75
7 Pathan 20.13
8 Punjabi 20.86
9 Pashtun_Afghan 22.89
10 Burusho 24.39
11 Kurd_C 28.73
12 SATSURBILA 29.95
13 Tajik_Pomiri 30.92
14 Iranian 31.12
15 Azeri_Dagestan 31.26
16 Abkhasian 31.33
17 Lezgin 32.37
18 Tajik_Afghan 32.42
19 Kurd_N 33.21
20 Georgian 33.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Makrani + 27.1% SATSURBILA @ 4.01
2 73.2% Balochi + 26.8% SATSURBILA @ 5.27
3 77.3% Brahui + 22.7% SATSURBILA @ 5.8
4 51% SATSURBILA + 49% Iranian @ 7.29
5 57.3% Pashtun_Afghan + 42.7% SATSURBILA @ 7.69
6 51.1% SATSURBILA + 48.9% Azeri_Dagestan @ 7.78
7 65.4% Brahui + 34.6% KOTIAS @ 8.37
8 52.1% SATSURBILA + 47.9% Lezgin @ 8.55
9 54.1% SATSURBILA + 45.9% Azeri @ 8.72
10 51.1% Kurd_C + 48.9% SATSURBILA @ 8.73
11 53.8% SATSURBILA + 46.2% Chechen @ 8.78
12 52.8% SATSURBILA + 47.2% Kurd_N @ 8.8
13 55.2% SATSURBILA + 44.8% Kumyk @ 8.88
14 54.6% SATSURBILA + 45.4% Adygei @ 9.05
15 64.4% Kurd_SE + 35.6% SATSURBILA @ 9.17
16 72.3% KOTIAS + 27.7% SATSURBILA @ 9.26
17 51.2% SATSURBILA + 48.8% Abkhasian @ 9.27
18 61.5% Pathan + 38.5% SATSURBILA @ 9.5
19 61.1% Makrani + 38.9% KOTIAS @ 9.57
20 60% SATSURBILA + 40% Turkish @ 9.63

interesting it is closest to Kalash People , at what point it get modern day iranian in oracles?

['owight Gavnah]

saudis/yemenis are not west asians. afghans are more west asian than them

I'm watching a documentary about yazidi women fighting IsIS, they are very light. How comes? They all have brown light brown hair with pinkish skin. Interesting.

[Pahli]

interesting it is closest to Kalash People , at what point it get modern day iranian in oracles?

It doesn't because modern Iranians have loads of non-CHG related admixture which makes them plot further away from it. The reason why Brahui and Makranis are so close is due to their high CHG ancestry which is basically untouched as of today.

[Pahli]

I'm watching a documentary about yazidi women fighting IsIS, they are very light. How comes? They all have brown light brown hair with pinkish skin. Interesting.

Incest can still be found in smaller amounts in Yazidi communities, however I don't know about their genetical structure.

[Hadouken]

I'm watching a documentary about yazidi women fighting IsIS, they are very light. How comes? They all have brown light brown hair with pinkish skin. Interesting.

I dont know . my knowledge is mostly concentrated on my area