Classify Mayan king

[Pallantides]

Pacal the Great
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K'inich_Janaab'_Pakal


K'inich Janaab' Pakal (23 March 603 - 28 August 683) was ruler of the Maya polity of Palenque in the Late Classic period of pre-Columbian Mesoamerican chronology. During a long reign of some 68 years Pakal was responsible for the construction or extension of some of Palenque's most notable surviving inscriptions and monumental architecture.

http://www.worldart.com.au/images/ancient-mayan-art-sculpture.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/PakalImage1.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8424/mayaartifacts026.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2451/mayaartifacts082.jpg

I think the sculpture is very Silvid looking, obviously of asimilar type as the Native American actor Tokala Clifford:
http://www.filmblackhills.com/graphics/talent/Tokala%20Clifford_image_1YSmzf.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9147/le5109139032a41bf8bdd50.jpg

[Neanderthal]

Nay, textbook Zentralid Pueblid.
Just look at the sloping forehead and the Dinarid like hooked nose.

[Pallantides]

Nay, textbook Zentralid Pueblid.




Centralid according to SNPA
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/centralid.gif

CENTRALID (American Tropical Race (Agassiz, roughly equivalent); Istmid (Lundman); Zentralid (in German))

Indianid type. Medium to small, stocky and infantile brachycephals native to the areas between the southern coast of the USA and New Mexico and Arizona (Pueblo, Hopi etc.), eastern and southern Mexico (Maya and Aztec ancestry), Central America and western Colombia. Centralids are characterized by relatively steep but narrow foreheads, rectangular faces, relatively gracile features, sparsity of Mongoloid eye features, medium broad to broad, striking straight or slightly convex noses, smooth or slightly wavy hair and medium brown skin. The type is geographically highly variable, and Biasutti proposed two further subtypes, the southern, hyperbrachycephalic Istmid and the northern, less brachycephalic Pueblid.

[Agrippa]

the southern, hyperbrachycephalic Istmid and the northern, less brachycephalic Pueblid.

The Istmid subtype is the classic reduced farmer type, much more extreme than the vast majority of Alpinids, Baltids and Suedsinids, which are all usually much more progressive, a totally one sided adaptation and extremely pyknomorphic-short ranged and hyperbrachycephalic.

The other subtype is the Pueblid, which is significantly more progressive, less reduced and less pyknomorphic, also a farmer type, but on a higher and more differentiated level in comparison.

I think the Mayan is essentially Pueblid, but might have additional Silvid influences, which is very hard to tell from such an artistic depiction, but a more progressive Pueblid seems to fit the best.

[Æscwyn]

That sculpture doesn't look at all Centralid to me. I have a friend in Mexico who has been classified as a Centralid type and his facial features, particularly the lower jaw, are much broader than those of the sculpture.

[Neanderthal]

Text Book Zentralid Pueblid Example:
José Carlos Ruiz (Mexican Actor):

http://www.network54.com/Realm/tributo_1/jcruiz22.JPG

http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/005/852/jose-carlos-ruiz-368x270.jpg

[Lurker]

He looks like some Amerindian from the Andes actually. at least that's my impression;

[aherne]

Pacal the Great
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K'inich_Janaab'_Pakal



http://www.worldart.com.au/images/ancient-mayan-art-sculpture.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/PakalImage1.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8424/mayaartifacts026.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2451/mayaartifacts082.jpg

I think the sculpture is very Silvid looking, obviously of asimilar type as the Native American actor Tokala Clifford:
http://www.filmblackhills.com/graphics/talent/Tokala%20Clifford_image_1YSmzf.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9147/le5109139032a41bf8bdd50.jpg

I agree he has a North American look instead of Central American. Central Americans had wider faces and lacked this profile. This should not surprise us since many if not most Indians of S Mexico came from the canyons region, where this type is in very strong predominance.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

Have to Agree with Agrippa as usual

Progressive Centralid/ Pueblid/ central Tropical Ameridian type

Man said to be a modern Maya from Guatemala
http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/bevans/Art446-04-IntroMayan/WebPage-ImageF.00002.jpeg

http://services.tomfolio.com/gibsonsbooks/images/lifemaya.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uXDMPKN0Bjo/S7ZNC33DUJI/AAAAAAAAElI/tztv1XEY6Ts/s1600/Maya+woman.jpg

[aherne]

All Mayans are round-faced, as above pictures prove. Their king shows a physical type totally alien to modern Mayas, at least. He looks like an Indian from Great Plains, thus one has to suspect non-Mayan admixture in him. OR they practiced skull deformation when he was very young...

[Curtis24]

The Istmid subtype is the classic reduced farmer type, much more extreme than the vast majority of Alpinids, Baltids and Suedsinids, which are all usually much more progressive, a totally one sided adaptation and extremely pyknomorphic-short ranged and hyperbrachycephalic.

The other subtype is the Pueblid, which is significantly more progressive, less reduced and less pyknomorphic, also a farmer type, but on a higher and more differentiated level in comparison.

I think the Mayan is essentially Pueblid, but might have additional Silvid influences, which is very hard to tell from such an artistic depiction, but a more progressive Pueblid seems to fit the best.

This description makes it seem that all the Mayans were farmers, which we know not to be true. Why race type were the warriors and political elite, and what happened to that type? Were they just all driven extinct during the Spanish rule?

[Agrippa]

This description makes it seem that all the Mayans were farmers, which we know not to be true. Why race type were the warriors and political elite, and what happened to that type? Were they just all driven extinct during the Spanish rule?

First of all, even today not all Mayans are the same, secondly, secondly the downfall began earlier, when the higher structures collapsed and poor, lower level peasantry dominated the picture.

Thirdly they were mostly rather Pueblid, some might even have been Silvid inspired, with more Northern ancestry. It is just that the typical peasant type of some Mayan groups today is totally Istmid.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

Back in the day Mayan society was more stratified with a ruling elite which probably through better nutrition and living conditions formed a taller and specific type.

[Agrippa]

Back in the day Mayan society was more stratified with a ruling elite which probably through better nutrition and living conditions formed a taller and specific type.

Yet it is rather so, that they were better in preserving such a type, rather nutrition and living conditions making it.

Actually even many Brasilids further South are more progressive. The Istmids are among the Indianids probably the most infantile type and quite specific for a poor peasantry of the region in question.

[Talvi]

Text Book Zentralid Pueblid Example:
José Carlos Ruiz (Mexican Actor):

http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/005/852/jose-carlos-ruiz-368x270.jpg

Ive wondered about this guy and whether he has a ton of native blood, but I was unable to find any information.

[Smeagol]

Pueblid + Silvid.