The Genetic Link of the Viking – Era Norse to Central Asia

[Pallantides]

The Genetic Link of the Viking – Era Norse to Central Asia:
An Assessment of the Y Chromosome DNA, Archaeological,
Historical and Linguistic Evidence
http://www.davidkfaux.org/CentralAsiaRootsofScandinavia-Y-DNAEvidence.pdf


The largest number of close matches to this rare
haplogroup R1a1 (more on this genetic grouping later) Norse signature from Shetland
were not seen in large and diverse European samples in which R1a1 predominates (e.g.,
Poland), but among the tribal Siberian Altai of Central Asia (33 close matches out of the
sample of 46 who had a Haplogroup R1a1 DNA signature).

[Ibericus]

Who said R1a1 is a Norse signature ?

[Curtis24]

Its not. Its commonly believed, however, to be a signature of the Eastern group of Indo-European tribesmen, who are racially considered by some to be similar to the people who eventually settled Scandinavia and became Vikings.

[Ibericus]

Its not. Its commonly believed, however, to be a signature of the Eastern group of Indo-European tribesmen, who are racially considered to be similar to the people who eventually settled Scandinavia and became Vikings.
Well, I agree that R1a1 is indo-european, and it's mostly common in Eastern Europe, India and Iran. But not specific Norse, because the Norse are (were) a mix of indo-european R1a/R1b and pre-Indoeuropean Cro-Magnon (haplogroup I1)

[Curtis24]

Well, someone correct me if I'm wrong since I am new to genetics, but the significance of the article seems to be that it is growing evidence for Indo-European peoples originating in Central Asia/"the Kurgan hypothesis".

[Pallantides]

The R1a1a 'Norse signature' is more similar to the R1a1a found in Siberian Altaians than in Eastern Europe, there is also the presence of Y-DNA Q at 4% in Norway and 7% in Iceland, I wonder if this could explain some of the very minor Native American(proto Eurasian?), East Asian, North Eurasian, Northeast Asian admixture values for some Scandinavians in the Eurogenes project.




The Y-DNA Q carriers most likely came to Scandinavia with the R1a1a Y-DNA carriers.

[Lábaru]

The R1a1a 'Norse signature' is more similar to the R1a1a found in Siberian Altaians than in Eastern Europe, there is also the presence of Y-DNA Q at 4% in Norway and 7% in Iceland, I wonder if this could explain some of the very minor Native American(proto Eurasian?), East Asian, North Eurasian, Northeast Asian admixture values for some Scandinavians in the Eurogenes project.




The Y-DNA Q carriers most likely came to Scandinavia with the R1a1a Y-DNA carriers.

There are close similarities with the Native Americans? Small, or am I misunderstanding?

[Pallantides]

There are close similarities with the Native Americans? Small, or am I misunderstanding?


The 'Native American' values detected are very minor, but whatever it is I think it's most likely something proto Eurasian, not real Amerindian.

I'm close to 1% "Native American" according to Doug McDonald and the Eurogenes Project admixture results


Norwegians North and Central Eurasia from the Eurogenes 500K snp Project(NO2 is me):
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2791/no1h.png
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3170/no2v.png
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5351/no3n.png

Population the values peak in:

'North Eurasian' - Yakut
'East Asian' - Dai
'Native American' - Suruí
Northeast Asian - Japanese

[Lábaru]

interesting, did not know this, thanks.

[Pallantides]

interesting, did not know this, thanks.

Seems I have 1.75% Extra-European admixture, NO3 is 1.22% and NO1 is 0.11%

[SwordoftheVistula]

Already a lengthy thread on this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5433

[Erik]

It seems me a very strange thing that mongolic or Hunnic elements entered Sweden and Norway. And see the actual Norwegians and Swedes: almost they have fair hair and blue eyes.
How is it in Denmark? Do the Danes have a very little of haplogroups Q or N?

[SwordoftheVistula]

It seems me a very strange thing that mongolic or Hunnic elements entered Sweden and Norway.

Who said that?