Are you more Celtic, Germanic or Aryan / my PCA graph will tell you [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

de Burgh II

11-24-2016, 11:59 PM

:p

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.86
2 Atlantic 31.31
3 West_Med 11.07
4 Baltic 8.95
5 Eastern_Euro 6.52
6 West_Asian 4.22
7 East_Med 1.66

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 3.397717
2 Southeast_English @ 4.076269
3 Irish @ 5.654662
4 West_Scottish @ 6.427110
5 South_Dutch @ 7.263744
6 Orcadian @ 7.596617
7 North_Dutch @ 8.338920
8 Danish @ 8.501882
9 North_German @ 8.597628
10 French @ 10.472676
11 West_German @ 10.833665
12 Norwegian @ 12.919929
13 West_Norwegian @ 13.508896
14 Swedish @ 14.401640
15 East_German @ 16.623953
16 North_Swedish @ 17.433315
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.932972
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.836769
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.214035
20 Portuguese @ 19.752096

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 3.397717

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 1.857995
2 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.958201
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 1.970779
4 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.979403
5 Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 1.981442
6 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.019338
7 Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.087504
8 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.094502
9 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 2.098725
10 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.122670
11 French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.172059
12 Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 2.195370
13 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 2.197643
14 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Orcadian @ 2.205709
15 Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.219547
16 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 2.234982
17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.241977
18 Orcadian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.246790
19 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_French @ 2.250263
20 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 2.259616

Peterski

11-25-2016, 12:11 AM

Armstrong added: https://i.imgur.com/LA4J9sd.png

I0047 = Unetice culture from Germany (Halberstadt)
Hinxton-4 = Iron Age Celtic Briton (170 BC - 80 AD)
RISE174 = Iron Age Swedish guy (ca. 427-611 AD)
RISE97 = Battle Axe from Sweden (Fredriksberg)
RISE577 = Unetice culture from Czech Republic

https://i.imgur.com/LA4J9sd.png

Peterski

11-25-2016, 01:19 AM

I added one Swedish guy (with two kits: 23andMe and Ancestry) and one North Dutch guy:

Updated: https://i.imgur.com/zKk06I9.png

Northern Dutchman scores very close to Germanic average, RISE174, RISE61 and RISE94:

https://i.imgur.com/zKk06I9.png

Peterski

11-25-2016, 01:52 AM

The Swedish guy is from Southern Sweden.

Maybe he is not 100% Swedish because he seems to be less Germanic than Northern Dutchman.

That Northern Dutchman is very Germanic.

Pahli

11-25-2016, 01:55 AM

The Swedish guy is from Southern Sweden.

Maybe he is not 100% Swedish because he seems to be less Germanic than Northern Dutchman.

That Northern Dutchman is very Germanic.

What sample is the IR1? Sintashta?

Longbowman

11-25-2016, 02:02 AM

Create a Judaeo-Mutt sector:

North_Sea 8.39
Atlantic 15.81
Baltic 4.19
Eastern_Euro 2.40
West_Med 15.47
West_Asian 14.58
East_Med 27.25
Red_Sea 8.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.46
Siberian 1.18
Amerindian 0.35
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.38
Sub-Saharan 0.52

Peterski

11-25-2016, 02:15 AM

What sample is the IR1? Sintashta?

It is Iron Age Kyjatice culture from Hungary.

Google translated from Hungarian Wikipedia:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhu.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKyjatice-kultúra

http://www.tourist-channel.sk/kyjatice/indexen.php3

Pahli

11-25-2016, 02:17 AM

It is Iron Age Kyjatice culture from Hungary.

Google translated from Hungarian Wikipedia:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhu.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKyjatice-kultúra

http://www.tourist-channel.sk/kyjatice/indexen.php3

Why is it an ancient Iranian sample then on the PCA graph? :laugh:

War Chef

11-25-2016, 02:22 AM

Pontic Master Race checking in :alien2

North_Sea 14.30
Atlantic 10.57
Baltic 16.62
Eastern_Euro 12.05
West_Med 5.83
West_Asian 26.57
East_Med 10.34
Red_Sea 0.58
South_Asian 0.63
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.74
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African 0.20
Sub-Saharan 0.07

Peterski

11-25-2016, 02:24 AM

Why is it an ancient Iranian sample then on the PCA graph? :laugh:

Weren't those some Iranic-speakers? I think it was a nomadic culture. Or half-nomadic.

Create a Judaeo-Mutt sector:

North_Sea 8.39
Atlantic 15.81
Baltic 4.19
Eastern_Euro 2.40
West_Med 15.47
West_Asian 14.58
East_Med 27.25
Red_Sea 8.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.46
Siberian 1.18
Amerindian 0.35
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.38
Sub-Saharan 0.52

Adding you improved the PCA I must say. :D

Now differences between Celts and Germanics are a bit more visible:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/0bxTtE6.png

http://i.imgur.com/0bxTtE6.png

And when using "95% ellipses" option: http://i.imgur.com/mAFWYGz.png

http://i.imgur.com/mAFWYGz.png

Longbowman

11-25-2016, 02:28 AM

Adding you improved the PCA I must say. :D

Now differences between Celts and Germanics are a bit more visible:

once again Jews improve everything

which am I closest to

Ibericus

11-25-2016, 02:33 AM

Mine :

1 Atlantic 29.81
2 North_Sea 20.6
3 West_Med 20.34
4 East_Med 11.97
5 Baltic 7.89
6 Red_Sea 3.73
7 Eastern_Euro 2.07
8 West_Asian 2.05
9 Northeast_African 0.68
10 Southeast_Asian 0.64
11 Sub-Saharan 0.17
12 Amerindian 0.05

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.92
2 Spanish_Murcia 3.28
3 Spanish_Cataluna 3.54
4 Spanish_Extremadura 4.15
5 Portuguese 4.62
6 Spanish_Valencia 4.94
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.84
8 Spanish_Andalucia 6.07
9 Spanish_Galicia 6.16
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.59

firemonkey

11-25-2016, 07:00 AM

Mine 23andMe upload

1 North_Sea 36.04
2 Atlantic 31.28
3 Baltic 10.71
4 West_Med 7.85
5 Eastern_Euro 7.77
6 West_Asian 2.37
7 Red_Sea 1.23
8 Northeast_African 0.93
9 Amerindian 0.85
10 Siberian 0.37
11 Southeast_Asian 0.28
12 East_Med 0.21
13 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.07
2 West_Scottish 2.57
3 Southeast_English 3.17
4 Southwest_English 4.43
5 Orcadian 4.67
6 North_Dutch 4.83
7 Danish 5
8 North_German 6.36
9 South_Dutch 8.46
10 Norwegian 8.6
11 West_Norwegian 8.87
12 Swedish 9.82
13 West_German 10.5
14 French 12.51
15 North_Swedish 12.57
16 East_German 14.56
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.76
18 Austrian 18.32
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.32
20 Hungarian 19.41

Danaan

11-25-2016, 07:10 AM

Iranic Europeans didn't ever exist. They are made up.

Jana

11-25-2016, 07:27 AM

Cool idea, add me :)

North Sea 27.56
Baltic 20.73
Atlantic 12.01
West Med 11.69
Eastern Euro 11.73
West Asian 9.04
East Med 7.45
Siberian 0.26

Peterski

11-25-2016, 12:29 PM

I added several new ancient samples. They plot very close to Ibericus and CrazyDaisy:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/copperbronzeagedna.shtml

RISE349 = Middle Bronze Age Hungary (years 2034-1748 BC)
RISE374 = Maros culture, Hungary (years 1866-1619 BC)
RISE373 = Maros culture, Hungary (years 1886-1696 BC)
BR2 = Kyjatice culture, Hungary (years 1270-1110 BC)
I1502 = Mako culture, Hungary (years 2190-1980 BC)
RISE479 = Vatya culture, Hungary (years 2000-1500 BC)

I made a mistake before, I confused IR1 with BR2. IR1 is not Kyjatice, but Mezocsat:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ironagedna.shtml

IR1 = Mezocsat culture, Hungary (years 980-930 BC)

Feiichy plots very close to me, and we both plot close to IR1.

Updated PCA graph:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/XIRBsvA.png

http://i.imgur.com/XIRBsvA.png

Peterski

11-25-2016, 12:33 PM

There is huge difference between Bronze Age Hungary (green dots) and Iron Age Hungary (IR1):

IR1 was part of the Mezőcsát culture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hungary_before_the_Hungarian_Conquest#I ron_Age

In the Carpathian Basin, the Iron Age commenced around 800 BC, when a new population moved into the territory and took possession of the former population’s centers fortified by earthworks.[17][18] The new population may have consisted of ancient Iranian tribes that had seceded from the federation of the tribes living under the suzerainty of the Cimmerians.[17][18] They were equestrian nomads and formed the people of the Mezőcsát culture who used tools and weapons made of iron. They extended their rule over what are now the Great Hungarian Plain and the eastern parts of Transdanubia.[18]

Peterski

11-25-2016, 12:38 PM

Those Bronze Age Hungarians were very similar to modern Iberians.

They often score Iberian or French in Single Population Sharing. That's why Ibericus is so close to them. CrazyDaisy is shifted more towards the north-east due to her Amerindian & German admixtures.

Peterski

11-25-2016, 12:43 PM

I also tried to add ATP2 (Copper Age Iberian), but he plots so far off the chart that it would be pointless:

ATP2, Copper Age Iberia (El Portalón, Sierra de Atapuerca), years 2899 - 2678 BC

This shows that there were significant immigrations to Iberia after the Copper Age. Including Celts etc.

Newman

11-25-2016, 12:51 PM

Lucas

11-25-2016, 01:08 PM

I have proposition. Seriously.
All interestind in this Apricity users would publish here their K15 stats and it will be possible to make a big genetic map of them (PCA plot). Could be nice results!
Combined with some official modern / ancient samples.

After that those who want to could send their pictures. And we can see if aDNA similarity is connected with phenotypical...

crazyladybutterfly

11-25-2016, 01:10 PM

not considering plotting i would say more germanic .. i have higher chances of having germanic ancestry and few of my relatives look german

Peterski

11-25-2016, 02:15 PM

BTW, here is how six "Aryans" from my PCA score:

N Sea / Atlantic / Baltic / E Euro / W Med / W Asian / S Asian / SSA / Amerind / Oceanian / Siberian / E Med / NE African / Red Sea / SE Asian

I0247 - 25,42 / 14,04 / 10,82 / 20,44 / 0 / 16,35 / 4,36 / 0 / 3,94 / 0 / 4,63 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
IR1 - 23,35 / 23,43 / 11,45 / 19,13 / 6,33 / 15,81 / 0 / 0 / 0,32 / 0 / 0,15 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
I0232 - 30,53 / 19,79 / 16,73 / 19,03 / 0 / 11,25 / 2,69 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
I0423 - 38,16 / 28,15 / 17,07 / 16,62 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
I0430 - 44,75 / 14,28 / 12,68 / 17,27 / 0,34 / 10,02 / 0,48 / 0 / 0,18 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
RISE395 - 36,69 / 23,23 / 15,26 / 19,86 / 0 / 4,96 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 0

Legend:

I0247 = Iron Age Scythian, Western Russia (375-203 BC)
IR1 = Iron Age Mezocsat culture, Hungary (980-930 BC)
I0232 = Srubnaya culture, Western Russia (1850-1200 BC)
I0423 = Srubnaya culture, Western Russia (1850-1200 BC)
I0430 = Srubnaya culture, Western Russia (1850-1600 BC)
RISE395 = Sintashta culture, Western Russia (1960-1756 BC)

Peterski

11-25-2016, 02:41 PM

1 North_Sea 32.78
2 Atlantic 22.8
3 West_Med 11.7
4 East_Med 9.55
5 Eastern_Euro 9.11
6 Baltic 6.43
7 West_Asian 6.19
8 South_Asian 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.68

1 West_German 5.02
2 South_Dutch 7.27
3 French 7.59
4 Southwest_English 9.46
5 Southeast_English 10
6 North_German 10.78
7 Danish 11.12
8 North_Dutch 11.32
9 Orcadian 11.99
10 Irish 12.07

Newman I have bad news, you are not Pure Barbarian, you have some Civilized Admixture too.

Must be this East_Med thing (because all Ancient Germanics and Celts scored 0% of East_Med): :p

Large image: https://i.imgur.com/plh5UZ8.png

https://i.imgur.com/plh5UZ8.png

Probably some legionaries settled along the Rhine and messed around with local Germanics?: :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVLGwTggO8U

I also have East_Med but only 2,70% so I'm less civilized.

Didriksson

11-25-2016, 02:45 PM

North_Sea 27.77
Atlantic 10.00
Baltic 33.16
Eastern_Euro 25.41
West_Med 2.79
Siberian 0.12
Oceanian 0.68

Peterski

11-25-2016, 02:46 PM

Is that guy from Frisia? He seems to score similar results compared to the Frisian results i have seen.

He is user "Northener" from Eupedia. Are you on Eupedia? He wrote that he is North Dutch.

Maybe indeed he is from Frisia.

Era

11-25-2016, 02:48 PM

Litvin, can you make members a different color than the ancient samples? It would look better I think.

Mine

Population
North_Sea 12.23
Atlantic 9.49
Baltic 8.40
Eastern_Euro 6.98
West_Med 22.33
West_Asian 10.52
East_Med 23.93
Red_Sea 4.03
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.26
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.81
Northeast_African 1.00
Sub-Saharan -

My brother:
Population
North_Sea 12.15
Atlantic 11.52
Baltic 8.59
Eastern_Euro 5.86
West_Med 22.68
West_Asian 13.34
East_Med 20.79
Red_Sea 3.30
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.68
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.75
Northeast_African 0.33
Sub-Saharan -

Didriksson

11-25-2016, 02:53 PM

Here is my man as well:

North_Sea 29.47
Atlantic 27.09
Baltic 17.67
Eastern_Euro 17.20
West_Med 1.04
South_Asian 1.23
Siberian 4.57
Amerindian 1.02

Pahli

11-25-2016, 02:54 PM

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.13
2 East_Med 31.38
3 South_Asian 9.88
4 Eastern_Euro 6.82
5 Red_Sea 4.89
6 North_Sea 4.46
7 West_Med 3.33
8 Atlantic 2.04
9 Northeast_African 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.34
11 Amerindian 0.18

Lets see where I end :laugh:

Enflamme

11-25-2016, 03:01 PM

North_Sea 00.47
Atlantic 5.09
Baltic 7.67
Eastern_Euro 17.20
South_Asian 30.23
Siberian 20.00
West_Med 11.04
Amerindian 0.00

:rolleyes:

*troll*

Peterski

11-25-2016, 04:53 PM

Litvin, can you make members a different color than the ancient samples? It would look better I think.

You mean names of members in different color than names of ancient samples?

Or markers of members in different color (currently they are "black diamonds").

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Chloe2 = Chloe's brother. Didrikkson2 = Diddrikkson's man:

Updated version: http://i.imgur.com/DYbTjhD.png

http://i.imgur.com/DYbTjhD.png

Without labels: http://i.imgur.com/Jhe2XE5.png

http://i.imgur.com/Jhe2XE5.png

Peterski

11-25-2016, 04:56 PM

Chloe is Jewish based on her result (is it correct?). But Didriksson, what is your ancestry? :confused:

Enflamme

11-25-2016, 04:57 PM

You mean names of members in different color than names of ancient samples?

Or markers of members in different color (currently they are "black diamonds").

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Chloe2 = Chloe's brother. Didrikkson2 = Diddrikkson's man:

Updated version: http://i.imgur.com/DYbTjhD.png

http://i.imgur.com/DYbTjhD.png

Without labels: http://i.imgur.com/Jhe2XE5.png

http://i.imgur.com/Jhe2XE5.png

I see myself in the distance, at the other end of the map ;)

Era

11-25-2016, 05:07 PM

Chloe is Jewish based on her result (is it correct?). But Didriksson, what is your ancestry? :confused:

:D In heart yes, but I am otherwise Albanian. And DNALand gives me 0 jewish ancestry, unlike most euros in this forum.

I am not quite convinced on this map. I found one more accurate on where I perceive myself to be, I think it was Puntdnal K 15 but not sure. I was pretty much the most southern west euro on that one. Too bad they were wiped out during the crash.

Peterski

11-25-2016, 05:11 PM

OK Chloe, I will try to figure out how to change the color of member names. :)

BTW, here I added two new samples - Clovis Anzick-1 (Native American who lived 12,500 years ago in Montana) and ATP2 (Copper Age sample from Iberia), to see how will this affect the whole PCA graph.

After adding Clovis, CrazyDaisy moves towards him, because she is 30% Native American:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/GnFi4ts.png

http://i.imgur.com/GnFi4ts.png

Longbowman

11-25-2016, 05:14 PM

https://i.imgur.com/plh5UZ8.png

I'm further away from Aryan than our friendly neighbourhood Andid?

Judaean blood stronk.

LP0956

11-25-2016, 05:15 PM

Germanic

http://67.media.tumblr.com/b15e49124c0f1aa94beed34906207701/tumblr_ndsutl8WPf1syanj5o6_1280.jpg

Peterski

11-25-2016, 05:17 PM

CrazyDaisy could be modeled as a mixture of 70% Ibericus + 30% Clovis:

http://i.imgur.com/0pB36Vh.png

http://i.imgur.com/0pB36Vh.png

Peterski

11-25-2016, 05:26 PM

And Ibericus could be modeled as a mixture of ATP2 (Copper Age Iberia) and Unetice (Celts).

Which is probably what he is. Celtiberians were immigrant Celts mixed with ATP2-like locals.

Petalpusher

11-25-2016, 06:49 PM

North_Sea 30.17
Atlantic 26.53
Baltic 8.26
Eastern_Euro 7.23
West_Med 19.41
West_Asian 4.76
East_Med 3.64
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Didriksson

11-25-2016, 07:25 PM

Chloe is Jewish based on her result (is it correct?). But Didriksson, what is your ancestry? :confused:

What would be your first guess?

Peterski

11-25-2016, 09:39 PM

What would be your first guess?

I will try to guess, but give me some time. ;) I will guess later.

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I've added Petalpusher and an East German, removed Clovis:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/s9Lnd1H.png

http://i.imgur.com/s9Lnd1H.png

East German is this guy: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3527-Post-your-Eurogenes-V2-K15-results&p=199430&viewfull=1#post199430

His Oracle results here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196056-Various-German-and-neighbouring-GEDmatch-results&p=4084653&viewfull=1#post4084653

Peterski

11-25-2016, 11:07 PM

Some new samples added; ancient genomes without labels:

Large size: https://i.imgur.com/JOMAZoB.png

https://i.imgur.com/JOMAZoB.png

Jackson

11-25-2016, 11:17 PM

My results:
North_Sea 34.34
Atlantic 24.73
Baltic 11.82
Eastern_Euro 8.91
West_Med 8.52
West_Asian 3.67
East_Med 4.31
Red_Sea 1.70
South_Asian 0.89
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.13
Oceanian 0.41
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.56

Peterski

11-25-2016, 11:45 PM

I added one more ancient genome - Rathlin1 (Bronze Age Ireland).

And I also added Jackson, soon I will post updated version of PCA.

Peterski

11-25-2016, 11:49 PM

Large size: https://i.imgur.com/wAe4lxV.png

https://i.imgur.com/wAe4lxV.png

I must add some more Slavic, Baltic, etc. people.

I guess that Didriksson is Northern Slavic ???

Peterski

11-25-2016, 11:57 PM

Poise n Pen

11-26-2016, 12:01 AM

Whatever is whitest.

Era

11-26-2016, 12:17 AM

Differences between ancient Celts and ancient Germanics were very small. Now I get it why scientists had to look at frequencies of rare variants to distinguish Anglo-Saxon from Celtic ancestry in British people.

I don't think this map would give you an accurate view anyway for you to reach a conclusion on that, the calculator it's based on mixes up east and west med.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 12:28 AM

Didriksson - you are most probably Lithuanian, Latvian or Belarusian.

Correct?

I've just added 5 North-East Polish samples and you plot North of them.

You might be Polish as well, but probably North-Eastern Polish:

http://i.imgur.com/3wZzxkR.png

I don't think this map would give you an accurate view anyway for you to reach a conclusion on that, the calculator it's based on mixes up east and west med.

It is getting more and more accurate while I am adding new samples.

Now I focus on adding Slavic samples. I added a Czech and 5 Masovians.

Now I'm going to add some Kashubians and Silesians.

I want to add a Latvian but I can't find where he posted his admixtures.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 12:37 AM

Also you should have Stuttgart Neolithic or other ancient german samples at least

I do, I already included ancient samples from Germany.

Some of my Celtic (Unetice) samples are from Germany:

Gedmatch kit / Sample / Age / Culture / Country, place

M313201 / I0099 / 1193-979 BC / Urnfield / Germany, Halberstadt
M370010 / I0047 / 2111-1891 BC / Unetice / Germany, Halberstadt
M588222 / I0164 / 2023-1894 BC / Unetice / Germany, Quedlinburg
M425717 / I0116 / 2134-1939 BC / Unetice / Germany, Esperstedt
M396326 / I0803 / 2132-1942 BC / Unetice / Germany, Eulau

They lived in what is now Germany before it became Germanized.

Most of archaeologists agree that the Unetice culture were Celts:

http://www.dorsetgrove.co.uk/OriginoftheCelts.htm

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And here are the six ancient Germanic samples in my PCA graph:

Gedmatch kit / Sample / Age / Culture / Country, place

F999943 / RISE174 / 427-611 AD / Nordic Iron Age / Sweden, Oxe
F999956 / RISE94 / 2621-2472 BC / Early Bronze Age / Sweden, Viby
F999945 / RISE97 / 2025-1885 BC / Early Bronze Age / Sweden, Fredriksberg
F999941 / RISE98 / 2275-2032 BC / Early Bronze Age / Sweden, Lilla Beddinge
M130094 / RISE61 / 2650-2300 BC / Early Bronze Age / Denmark, Kyndelose
M671253 / RISE71 / 2196-2023 BC / Early Bronze Age / Denmark, Falshoj

Battle Axe and Nordic Bronze Age are considered as Proto-Germanic cultures.

ALL

11-26-2016, 12:45 AM

Me too

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.94
2 North_Sea 21.24
3 Atlantic 19
4 Eastern_Euro 18.49
5 West_Med 6.7
6 West_Asian 4.69
7 South_Asian 1.57
8 East_Med 1.09
9 Oceanian 0.21
10 Siberian 0.06

Era

11-26-2016, 12:46 AM

Ok, the calculator itself it's flawed then. As I told you, both K15 or (pundnal smth) map showed me being very southwest, also Dnaland confirms I have a Sardinian pull of 10% which confirms that. This one shows me east med. It's not accurate imo.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 12:52 AM

This one shows me east med. It's not accurate imo.

East Med admixture was present in Bronze Age Hungary.

For example:

RISE374 (Maros culture, 1866-1619 BC) = 10,67% East Med
BR2 (Kyjatice culture, 1270-1110 BC) = 7,19% East Med
RISE373 (Maros culture, 1886-1696 BC) = 5,83% East Med

Given that you are Albanian, and 3500 years later, you must have some East Med too.

What is perhaps surprising is that you have only 5% less of East Med than Longbowman.

Oneeye

11-26-2016, 12:56 AM

North_Sea 37.79%
Atlantic 23.61%
Baltic 8.38%
Eastern_Euro 10.50%
West_Med 8.90%
West_Asian 5.23%
East_Med 3.17%
Red_Sea 0.42%
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.43%
Oceanian 0.57%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Era

11-26-2016, 12:59 AM

East Med admixture was present in Bronze Age Hungary.

For example:

RISE374 (Maros culture, 1866-1619 BC) = 10,67% East Med
BR2 (Kyjatice culture, 1270-1110 BC) = 7,19% East Med
RISE373 (Maros culture, 1886-1696 BC) = 5,83% East Med

Given that you are Albanian, and 3500 years later, you must have some East Med too.

What is perhaps surprising is that you have only 5% less of East Med than Longbowman.

That's what I am saying, what they are identifying as east or west med is not correct, it has us overlapping while the other one made that distinction well. Last post here I promise :)

Mortimer

11-26-2016, 01:03 AM

Can you add me too eventhough Im not fully european?

Population
North_Sea 16.45
Atlantic 5.56
Baltic 10.82
Eastern_Euro 7.39
West_Med 13.28
West_Asian 12.51
East_Med 13.97
Red_Sea 2.91
South_Asian 13.40
Southeast_Asian 1.84
Siberian 0.09
Amerindian 0.62
Oceanian 1.05
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09

Lill

11-26-2016, 01:16 AM

I don't believe in the accuracy of current autosomal DNA ancestry testing,it's still a science in its infancy.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 01:26 AM

I added a German who is at least partially of East Prussian descent:

http://i.imgur.com/SIsoL1W.png

http://i.imgur.com/SIsoL1W.png

And these are Oracle results for this East Prussian (partially or fully) German:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.68
2 Baltic 23.93
3 Atlantic 23.33
4 Eastern_Euro 16.53
5 West_Med 7.85
6 West_Asian 2.35
7 Red_Sea 0.78
8 Northeast_African 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.19
10 East_Med 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 7.06
2 East_German 7.43
3 South_Polish 7.44
4 Southwest_Finnish 7.91
5 Ukrainian 9.22
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.57
7 Austrian 9.6
8 Hungarian 9.78
9 Croatian 10.07
10 Russian_Smolensk 10.3
11 Finnish 10.39
12 Estonian 10.91
13 Belorussian 11.37
14 Estonian_Polish 11.37
15 Southwest_Russian 12.31
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.73
17 East_Finnish 13.12
18 North_Swedish 13.44
19 Moldavian 13.53
20 La_Brana-1 13.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.5% Estonian_Polish + 38.5% Southwest_English @ 2.04
2 61.6% Estonian_Polish + 38.4% Southeast_English @ 2.47
3 61.6% Belorussian + 38.4% Southwest_English @ 2.52
4 73% Polish + 27% Southwest_English @ 2.53
5 61.5% Estonian_Polish + 38.5% Irish @ 2.65
6 73.1% Polish + 26.9% Southeast_English @ 2.71
7 73% Polish + 27% Irish @ 2.72
8 75.5% Estonian + 24.5% French_Basque @ 2.75
9 73.8% Polish + 26.2% West_Scottish @ 2.88
10 62.3% Estonian_Polish + 37.7% West_Scottish @ 2.89
11 64.3% Russian_Smolensk + 35.7% Southwest_English @ 2.97
12 61.8% Belorussian + 38.2% Southeast_English @ 3.06
13 65% Estonian_Polish + 35% Orcadian @ 3.14
14 55.2% Lithuanian + 44.8% Southwest_English @ 3.16
15 70.5% Polish + 29.5% South_Dutch @ 3.16
16 76.3% Polish + 23.7% Orcadian @ 3.18
17 51.3% Lithuanian + 48.7% South_Dutch @ 3.24
18 68.3% Polish + 31.7% North_German @ 3.24
19 60% Estonian_Polish + 40% North_Dutch @ 3.25
20 64.4% Russian_Smolensk + 35.6% Southeast_English @ 3.26

Peterski

11-26-2016, 01:36 AM

^^^ Her East Prussian ancestor was Peter Damerau (born 1710, died 1790):

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Damerau-16

Neon Knight

11-26-2016, 07:05 AM

If I'm not too late . . .

EU V2 K15
North Sea --- 33.81%
Atlantic --- 26.37%
Eastern Euro --- 12.15%
West Med --- 11.64%
Baltic --- 9.25%
West Asian --- 5.66%
Amerindian --- 0.51%
South Asian --- 0.42%
Oceanian --- 0.19%

frankhammer

11-26-2016, 07:39 AM

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.82
2 Atlantic 23.90
3 West_Med 12.01
4 Baltic 11.23
5 Eastern_Euro 10.23
6 West_Asian 2.40
7 Red_Sea 1.59
8 East_Med 1.58
9 South_Asian 1.18

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 6.040625
2 West_German @ 6.625017
3 North_Dutch @ 6.766656
4 Danish @ 7.402184
5 Southeast_English @ 7.438459
6 Norwegian @ 7.532237
7 South_Dutch @ 7.767451
8 North_German @ 8.341638
9 West_Scottish @ 8.834517
10 Orcadian @ 8.852009
11 Irish @ 8.852082
12 Swedish @ 9.055606
13 West_Norwegian @ 9.197383
14 North_Swedish @ 11.383399
15 French @ 11.490843
16 East_German @ 12.553560
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.877628
18 Hungarian @ 17.734140
19 Austrian @ 18.645748
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.569155

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% West_Norwegian @ 3.669457

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.516108

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.516108
2 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 2.635322
3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.810368
4 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian @ 2.847884
5 North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 2.878400
6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.888185
7 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.890650
8 Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 2.934048
9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.950626
10 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.962475
11 Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.962662
12 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 2.979870
13 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 2.997125
14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 3.000733
15 North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.019467
16 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.027991
17 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 3.036462
18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.058412
19 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.072262
20 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.077203

dustdragon5717

11-26-2016, 07:49 AM

1 Atlantic 27.99
2 North_Sea 27.6
3 Baltic 10.32
4 Eastern_Euro 9.81
5 West_Med 7.64
6 West_Asian 6.37
7 East_Med 4.43
8 Red_Sea 2.34
9 South_Asian 1.79
10 Southeast_Asian 0.87
11 Siberian 0.64
12 Oceanian 0.21

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 5.204036
2 North_German @ 7.199180
3 Southeast_English @ 9.448761
4 French @ 9.670506
5 Southwest_English @ 9.759344

Peterski

11-26-2016, 11:12 AM

Updated PCA with new samples: http://i.imgur.com/znYd7Jk.png

I added for example ATP9 = Middle Bronze Age Iberia (1700-1518 BC)

GEDmatch kit number of ATP9 = M116706

Modern Spaniard (Ibericus) is still very different than ATP9 from 1600 BC:

http://i.imgur.com/znYd7Jk.png

Peterski

11-26-2016, 11:15 AM

ATP9 (Middle Bronze Age Iberia, 1700-1518 BC) in Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 44.39
2 West_Med 37.4
3 North_Sea 17.71
4 Baltic 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French_Basque 12.34
2 Spanish_Aragon 17.77
3 Southwest_French 18.44
4 Spanish_Cantabria 18.47
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 19.44
6 Spanish_Valencia 20.59
7 Spanish_Andalucia 20.65
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.53
9 Spanish_Murcia 22.72
10 Spanish_Cataluna 22.81
11 Spanish_Extremadura 23.01
12 Portuguese 23.92
13 Spanish_Galicia 24.93
14 North_Italian 28.02
15 Sardinian 28.73
16 French 29.09
17 South_Dutch 32.41
18 Southwest_English 32.89
19 Tuscan 33.54
20 Southeast_English 34.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.9% French_Basque + 20.1% Sardinian @ 10.35
2 100% French_Basque + 0% Abhkasian @ 12.34
3 100% French_Basque + 0% Adygei @ 12.34
4 100% French_Basque + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 12.34
5 100% French_Basque + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 12.34
6 100% French_Basque + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 12.34
7 100% French_Basque + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 12.34
8 100% French_Basque + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12.34
9 100% French_Basque + 0% Algerian @ 12.34
10 100% French_Basque + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 12.34
11 100% French_Basque + 0% Altaian @ 12.34
12 100% French_Basque + 0% Anzick-1 @ 12.34
13 100% French_Basque + 0% Armenian @ 12.34
14 100% French_Basque + 0% Ashkenazi @ 12.34
15 100% French_Basque + 0% Assyrian @ 12.34
16 100% French_Basque + 0% Austrian @ 12.34
17 100% French_Basque + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 12.34
18 100% French_Basque + 0% Azeri @ 12.34
19 100% French_Basque + 0% Balkar @ 12.34
20 100% French_Basque + 0% Balochi @ 12.34

Peterski

11-26-2016, 11:26 AM

100% French Basque + 0% Austrian !!!

http://wolna-polska.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/a57.jpg

Didriksson

11-26-2016, 01:06 PM

Large size: https://i.imgur.com/wAe4lxV.png

https://i.imgur.com/wAe4lxV.png

I must add some more Slavic, Baltic, etc. people.

I guess that Didriksson is Northern Slavic ???

Latvian... on the border between North Latvian and South Estonian.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 01:52 PM

If you read my next posts, you will see that later I changed my guess to Lithuanian or Latvian. :)

So I was right. I guessed correctly after adding Mazovians (north-eastern Poles) to the graph.

ALL

11-26-2016, 02:09 PM

Great work.In the spirit of being fair. Can you make two pca plots? One for members who have a rich and proud heritage and are connected by ydna to Natufian/Mota/Anatolia and other Middle Eastern/African samples. One for R1b/R1a members exclusively? Thanks in advance :)

Longbowman

11-26-2016, 02:46 PM

Graham

11-26-2016, 08:26 PM

You've got to watch out when adding too much outliers to the charts, it makes it tiny for the rest. :) If i get in the way of others then don't put me in and it's cool. They can have their fun. :)

<tbody>
#
Population
Percent

1
North_Sea
42.98

2
Atlantic
28.72

3
Eastern_Euro
10.07

4
Baltic
7.46

5
West_Med
6.63

6
West_Asian
1.87

7
Oceanian
1.07

8
East_Med
0.99

9
Northeast_African
0.2

</tbody>

Newman

11-26-2016, 08:36 PM

So Rise479 is my genetic forefather

I shall dedicate a small altar to him in my living room.

Sikeliot

11-26-2016, 08:42 PM

not considering plotting i would say more germanic .. i have higher chances of having germanic ancestry and few of my relatives look german

You'd end up right where Longbowman was, outside of the plot.

Peterski

11-26-2016, 09:40 PM

Differences between Ancient Germanics and Ancient Celts are not really visible on that PCA.

So I should actually post here their admixture results. Now you can better see the difference:

1) Ancient Germanic samples:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/eD9Uy0g.png

http://i.imgur.com/eD9Uy0g.png

2) Ancient Celtic samples:

Large size: http://i.imgur.com/vbHmNLJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/vbHmNLJ.png

War Chef

11-27-2016, 12:27 AM

If Zoran and Didriksson had a baby you would get me
goo goo ga ga :fcrazy:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2vwep3m.jpg

One for members who have a rich and proud heritage and are connected by ydna to Natufian/Mota/Anatolia and other Middle Eastern/African samples. One for R1b/R1a members exclusively? Thanks in advance :)

I was going to stay out of it with my ANE 卍 outlier genes, but Longbowman started it.

Kukulkan

11-28-2016, 09:28 AM

North_Sea 34.19
Atlantic 23.62
Baltic 17.25
Eastern_Euro 13.42
West_Med 6.83
West_Asian 0.98
South_Asian 1.57
Southeast_Asian 1.14
Amerindian 0.71
Oceanian 0.08
Sub-Saharan 0.22

Wuotan

11-28-2016, 02:43 PM

Add me to the plot please, sir.

# POPULATION PCT%

1 North Sea 35.30
2 Atlantic 24.09
3 Baltic 9.86
4 East Euro 7.21
5 West Med 12.36
6 West Asian 4.22
7 East Med 2.94
8 Red Sea 1.00
9 South Asian 1.72
10 SE Asian 0.68
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 NE African 0.26

Single Population Sharing

1 West Germany (4.16)
2 SW English (4.69)
3 South Dutch (5.81)
4 SE English (6.24)
5 North Dutch (6.87)
6 Danish (7.6)
7 Orcadian (7.69)

de Burgh II

12-27-2016, 06:00 PM

http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2014012/rs_245x180-140112220524-tumblr_mzbn0bTvVw1qh0b3jo2_250.gif

MINARDOWICZ

01-02-2017, 07:40 PM

Here it goes! 1 North_Sea 25.99
2 Atlantic 18.06
3 West_Med 13.91
4 East_Med 12.73
5 Eastern_Euro 9.61
6 Baltic 9.48
7 West_Asian 6.67
8 Red_Sea 2.8
9 Amerindian 0.38
10 Northeast_African 0.35
11 South_Asian 0.02

noricum

02-13-2017, 08:09 PM

North_Sea 21.34
Atlantic 23.18
Baltic 21.05
Eastern_Euro 14.07
West_Med 9.20
West_Asian 1.28
East_Med 8.00
Red_Sea 1.05
South_Asian 0.84

Karol Klačansky

05-15-2017, 12:26 PM

1North_Sea31.52
2Baltic20.74
3Atlantic16.65
4Eastern_Euro15.15
5West_Med8.54
6East_Med4.31

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_German @ 9.347355
2 Southwest_Finnish @ 9.512452
3 Hungarian @ 9.955439
4 Finnish @ 10.047032
5 North_Swedish @ 10.453338
6 Ukrainian @ 12.619826
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.786934
8 Swedish @ 12.880847
9 South_Polish @ 12.961146
10 Polish @ 14.033905
11 Norwegian @ 14.261479
12 Austrian @ 14.567728
13 Estonian @ 14.661439
14 West_German @ 14.822380
15 Croatian @ 14.862739
16 East_Finnish @ 14.964718
17 North_German @ 15.192172
18 Moldavian @ 16.127857
19 Danish @ 16.488720
20 North_Dutch @ 16.540100

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Ukrainian @ 4.473829

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.473829

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian + Norwegian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 4.366931

Can you add me

I don't like this calculator though , even with four populations it can't get me under a distance of 4

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

Erronkari

05-15-2017, 12:44 PM

Thank you in avance!

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 37.03
2 West_Med 25.90
3 North_Sea 18.92
4 East_Med 6.70
5 Amerindian 3.83
6 West_Asian 2.40
7 Eastern_Euro 2.04

Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Aragon @ 7.976861
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.168044
3 Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.424111
4 Spanish_Valencia @ 10.524311
5 Southwest_French @ 10.729913
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.187727
7 French_Basque @ 11.499872
8 Spanish_Murcia @ 12.135552
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.899812
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 12.928766
11 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.966789
12 Portuguese @ 14.433794
13 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.341076
14 North_Italian @ 19.555025
15 French @ 20.633987
16 South_Dutch @ 24.864025
17 Tuscan @ 26.030832
18 Southwest_English @ 26.804722
19 Southeast_English @ 28.107264
20 West_German @ 29.021217

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.089429

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.075921

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.075921
2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.089429
3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.099064
4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.109778
5 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.126098
6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.126349
7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.134191
8 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.146546
9 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.154915
10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.156411
11 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.159794
12 French_Basque + French_Basque + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 7.164085
13 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.169383
14 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.172392
15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.173327
16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.184607
17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.186610
18 French_Basque + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia @ 7.187178
19 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.188937
20 French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.236137

Kriptc06

05-15-2017, 01:31 PM

Im not sure if it will work for me. but here it goes:

1 Atlantic 22.68
2 West_Med 13.18
3 North_Sea 13.06
4 Amerindian 12.96
5 Sub-Saharan 10.57
6 East_Med 7.95
7 Baltic 6.33
8 West_Asian 4.89
9 Red_Sea 4.68
10 Eastern_Euro 3.27
11 Northeast_African 0.34
12 Oceanian 0.08

Longobarda

10-28-2017, 03:18 PM

Newman I have bad news, you are not Pure Barbarian, you have some Civilized Admixture too.

Must be this East_Med thing (because all Ancient Germanics and Celts scored 0% of East_Med):

Probably some legionaries settled along the Rhine and messed around with local Germanics?: :p

I also have East_Med but only 2,70% so I'm less civilized.

Do you consider romans as east-med? Italy is at central-western-southern Europe, and not eastern. The peninsula is very long and if you consider that the northerner part of Italy starts at la Vetta d'Italia (Glockenkarkopf o Klockerkarkopf in german), on the alps bordering with Austria, and placed North of the 47º parallel, and that Italy borders with France (west), Switzerland (west and North), Austria (North) and Slovenjia (east), you cannot think that romans were eastern.

Maybe neither med, being admixed with latins whose origin was nordo-central Europe.

https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/uploads/2016/08/10/images/post_main_cover_fit//Europe%20map.jpg

Longobarda

10-28-2017, 03:53 PM

Kelmendasi

10-28-2017, 03:58 PM

23andme:
Population
North_Sea 12.55
Atlantic 10.61
Baltic 16.69
Eastern_Euro 5.63
West_Med 19.29
West_Asian 9.54
East_Med 21.52
Red_Sea 3.31
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.86
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Ftdna:
Population
North_Sea 11.96
Atlantic 14.31
Baltic 13.63
Eastern_Euro 6.44
West_Med 20.21
West_Asian 9.17
East_Med 20.48
Red_Sea 3.81
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Stears

10-28-2017, 04:01 PM

Just post your Eurogenes K15 results and I can add you to my PCA:

So far, I added 24 ancient samples: 12 Celtic, 6 Germanic, 6 Iranic.

Germanic = avg. for 6 ancient Germanic samples
Celtic = average for 12 ancient Celtic samples

PCA (based on Eurogenes K15 results):

Large size: https://i.imgur.com/mAnOTqm.png

https://i.imgur.com/mAnOTqm.png

I also plan to add more of ancient samples later on.

Maybe you can suggest which samples should I add?

Can you add me ? Because I want to compare with Feiichy :)

<tbody>
North_Sea
21.68

Atlantic
16.55

Baltic
18.40

Eastern_Euro
12.32

West_Med
9.46

West_Asian
10.00

East_Med
7.10

Red_Sea
0.22

South_Asian
1.87

Southeast_Asian
-

Siberian
1.36

Amerindian
0.53

Oceanian
-

Northeast_African
0.50

Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

alnortedelsur

10-28-2017, 04:01 PM

Add me please...

With my 23Andme Kit:

North_Sea 14.42
Atlantic 26.47
Baltic 4.32
Eastern_Euro 4.28
West_Med 16.24
West_Asian 4.26
East_Med 13.39
Red_Sea 3.12
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian 6.25
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.45
Sub-Saharan 5.39

With my Ancestry DNA Kit:

North_Sea 14.83
Atlantic 25.77
Baltic 4.58
Eastern_Euro 3.44
West_Med 16.78
West_Asian 4.21
East_Med 13.78
Red_Sea 3.09
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian 6.40
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.61
Sub-Saharan 5.09

Peterski

10-28-2017, 04:03 PM

This thread is old / obsolete, I have a better calculator now.

It includes the following ancient West Eurasian populations:

EMA-Russia-Sunghir6 -> sample from Early Medieval Russia
IA-Wielbark-Eastern
IA-Wielbark-Western
NW-Germanic-LBA-EMA
NW-Celtic-Iron-Age
Baltic-RISE598-3kya
IA-Hungary-IR1
LBA-Hungary-3kya
Iron-Age-LBA-Steppe
Tollense-3kya-Western
Tollense-3kya-Eastern
Tollense-3kya-Baltic
South-Germany-3kya
Central-Germany-3kya
EBA-West-Poland-4kya
BA-Hungary-4kya
BA-Unetice-4kya
CWC-Germany-4kya
BB-Central-Euro-4kya
BA-Ireland-4kya
NE-Euro-HG-5kya-7kya
BA-Greece-3kya
Iberia-5kya-3kya
Central-Med-4kya-5kya
Armenia-3kya-4kya
Levant-Egypt-BA-IA
Ancient-Iran
Anatolia-5kya-6-kya

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My results:

Closest populations:

Population distance

Tollense-3kya-Eastern 11.78319
EMA-Russia-Sunghir6 12.06407
IA-Wielbark-Eastern 18.97713
Tollense-3kya-Western 19.53133
EBA-West-Poland-4kya 20.88043
LBA-Hungary-3kya 23.60180
BA-Ireland-4kya 24.99821
IA-Hungary-IR1 25.08156

And mixed mode:

distance=0.065098

EMA-Russia-Sunghir6 30.80 %
LBA-Hungary-3kya 23.70 %
Baltic-RISE598-3kya 21.35 %
EBA-West-Poland-4kya 10.20 %
IA-Wielbark-Western 7.30 %
IA-Hungary-IR1 4.05 %
NE-Euro-HG-5kya-7kya 2.60 %

MagnusAurelius

10-28-2017, 04:03 PM

Can you add me ? Because I want to compare with Feiichy :)

<tbody>
North_Sea
21.68

Atlantic
16.55

Baltic
18.40

Eastern_Euro
12.32

West_Med
9.46

West_Asian
10.00

East_Med
7.10

Red_Sea
0.22

South_Asian
1.87

Southeast_Asian
-

Siberian
1.36

Amerindian
0.53

Oceanian
-

Northeast_African
0.50

Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Damn, you have over 1% Siberian and some AmerIndian this time Mr.Mongoloid soft wide face.

Here is mine, please put me on your chart.

North_Sea 25.59
Atlantic 25.18
Baltic 4.85
Eastern_Euro 0.36
West_Med 13.20
West_Asian 7.94
East_Med 16.91
Red_Sea 3.93
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.99
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.04
Sub-Saharan -

oszkar07

10-28-2017, 04:17 PM

Eurogenes K15

Population
North_Sea 24.02
Atlantic 27.00
Baltic 16.81
Eastern_Euro 13.33
West_Med 7.60
West_Asian 4.77
East_Med 3.56
Red_Sea 1.88
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.03
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

Dibran

10-29-2017, 03:55 AM

Just post your Eurogenes K15 results and I can add you to my PCA:

So far, I added 24 ancient samples: 12 Celtic, 6 Germanic, 6 Iranic.

Germanic = avg. for 6 ancient Germanic samples
Celtic = average for 12 ancient Celtic samples

PCA (based on Eurogenes K15 results):

Large size: https://i.imgur.com/mAnOTqm.png

https://i.imgur.com/mAnOTqm.png

I also plan to add more of ancient samples later on.

Maybe you can suggest which samples should I add?

Thanks in advance.

Me:

sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 23.68
2 East_Med 20.92
3 North_Sea 13.76
4 Atlantic 13.17
5 West_Asian 11.34
6 Baltic 9.34
7 Eastern_Euro 6.71
8 Red_Sea 1.09

Grace O'Malley

10-29-2017, 05:36 AM

I'll come up near Hinxton I think.

Population
North_Sea 37.04
Atlantic 29.88
Baltic 11.89
Eastern_Euro 8.75
West_Med 4.95
West_Asian 5.16
East_Med -
Red_Sea 1.10
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.07
Amerindian 1.15
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Norb

10-29-2017, 07:51 AM

I am Western Wielbark is Iron Age Germanic population

NW-Celtic-Iron-Age 10.59023
BA-Unetice-4kya 14.34049
NW-Germanic-LBA-EMA 15.75204
Central-Germany-3kya 16.39571
Tollense-3kya-Western 16.72945
LBA-Hungary-3kya 16.80982
BB-Central-Euro-4kya 16.82190
BA-Hungary-4kya 16.94737

Mixed mode:

distance=0.042806

NW-Celtic-Iron-Age 38.05 %
BA-Hungary-4kya 32.20 %
IA-Wielbark-Western 25.50 %
Central-Med-4kya-5kya 4.25 %

Norb

10-29-2017, 07:52 AM

interesting

Tchek

10-29-2017, 01:28 PM

North_Sea 26.50
Atlantic 31.37
Baltic 8.15
Eastern_Euro 6.25
West_Med 12.61
West_Asian 4.16
East_Med 7.50
Red_Sea 1.79
South_Asian 1.39
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.12
Oceanian 0.15
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JamesBond007

06-18-2020, 12:43 PM

I don't even have to do this I cluster closely with some Ancient Anglo-Saxon samples on G25 and Eurogenes K15 PCA chart has me between English and Danish more or less :

Here is my G25 ancient clusters which is pretty close given it is not a modern population as anything under 3 is realistic but 2.5 and below is best but then again they are ancient samples so this is a really good distance :

0.02772056 West_European:England_Saxon_I0777
0.02932190 West_European:England_Saxon_I0769
0.02996588 West_European:England_Saxon_I0161

Target: England_Saxon_I0777
Distance: 2.4552% / 0.02455237
50.0 Norwegian
25.0 Icelandic
16.2 Spanish_Soria
8.4 Cossack_Kuban
0.4 Saudi

Target: Jamesbond007
Distance: 2.3584% / 0.02358361
79.6 Norwegian
16.4 Spanish_Soria
2.0 Kubachinian
0.8 Biaka
0.8 Tajik_Shugnan
0.4 Kosipe

I fall just within the Germanic cluster close to the Celtic clusters but I'm still clearly in the Germanic cluster :

https://i.postimg.cc/LsxdP8Nd/jb007.png