Ancient Hunnic chieftain had Y-DNA haplogroup L

[Peterski]

This article in Russian, describes Kazakhstan DNA project:

http://www.np.kz/hotnewstop/20716-kazahstanskiy-dnk-proekt.html

Among other things, there is an interview with Leyla Jansugurova, head of Institute of General Genetics of Kazakhstan. Here is the slightly edited automatic translation of the part of interview.

She speaks about aDNA (none of these results have been published so far):


(...) Paleogenetics in Kazakhstan

- Did this successful experience of collaborative interdisciplinary research by geneticists and historians continue?

- Yes. Moreover, on the basis of our Institute of General genetics and Cytology in cooperation with the Institute of archaeology named after A. Kh. Margulan in 2014, the laboratory of population genetics was created. Its goal is to study the genetic structure of modern populations of Kazakhstan and determination of genetic relationships with the ancient nomadic tribes of Central Asia. To start we have compiled a directory of ancient human skeletal remains and important archaeological finds in Kazakhstan, related to the ethnogenesis of the Kazakhs and available for paleogenetics research.

- What are the achievements in Kazakhstan paleogenetics?

- I want to note that DNA analysis of bone remains from ancient graves very complicated and expensive method. It requires high tech equipment, supersterility of the experiment and staff development. Therefore, the selection of the bone material is very important. At first, we concentrated on artifacts representing ancient periods of the settlement of the territory of Kazakhstan and available for DNA analysis: it is a human skull from the settlement of Botai in Northern Kazakhstan, the skeleton of the Hun period from the natural history Museum (Budapest) and the remains of the so-called Urdzhar Princess. As you know, in 2014, in Urdzhar district of East Kazakhstan region in one of the kurgans, in a zone of reconstruction of the road Taskesken - Bakta, was found undisturbed burial of women of the Saka period. Under the kurgan in a stone sarcophagus there were remains of a young woman of noble birth. Analysis of ancient DNA showed that the age of burial - III-IV century BC, while mtDNA haplogroup of Urdzhar Princess - D4o. Haplogroup belongs to the “Asian branch”, who left a wide trail in the Eastern Altai, Siberia, the far North of Eurasia and among the indigenous population of America. The mother of the founder of this haplogroup lived between 9300 - 18 400 years ago in Northern Asia.

As for the ancient Hun from Hungary, dated to the middle third of the V century, the type of burial and his outfit showed that this young man belonged to the Hun elite and may have been related by the origin to the ancient Turkic tribes of Kazakhstan. DNA analysis of an ancient Hun of the skeleton determined the haplogroup L of Y-chromosome and mtDNA D4j12, which is evidence of the Asian origin of the paternal and maternal lines of this ancient find from Europe. And, what is most interesting: the type of the Y-chromosome (L-haplogroup) was found among Kazakh tribe of Argyns!

Exploring the skull from Botai, we found that it was a man, his mtDNA haplogroup is K1b2, which is of Eastern European origin and is very common in the modern population of Western Europe and America.

- Most interesting - his Y chromosome.

- Unfortunately, haplogroup on the Y-chromosome, we did not have time to identify. We ran out of expensive reagents and the money allocated for research. In addition, we have assembled a genetic Bank that represents the current population of Kazakhstan is 1,524 with a detailed ancestry tree(shezhere), so the ethnic picture of the present, we can compare with the ancient finds. This is something we will work on.

Subclades of Y-DNA haplogroup L today:

http://i.imgur.com/TphXqAe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TphXqAe.jpg

[Rethel]

A see there some Harappo-Tataro-Finno-Viking subclade :laugh:

Good lesson for all I1 who deam about being such :heh:

[Böri]

And that's enough to make You Hindustani happy?

[Petalpusher]

Angry Negrito Eurasian :angryw

[Rethel]

And that's enough to make You Hindustani happy?

Arya'vartani if you must put it that way :p

[Lucas]

A see there some Harappo-Tataro-Finno-Viking subclade :laugh:

Good lesson for all I1 who deam about being such :heh:

Don't forget Silesians:)

[Peterski]

Look at this... : :blink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_used_for_Germans#Hun_.28pejorative.2 9

http://i.imgur.com/uPmBJki.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYetLup-rjQ

[Rethel]

Look at this... : :blink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_used_for_Germans#Hun_.28pejorative.2 9

http://i.imgur.com/uPmBJki.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYetLup-rjQ

Problem is, that Kałmuks came to Kałmukia in XVII/XVIIIth century.
Look also, that Arabs have it. Maybe these are simply modern gastarbeiters or the Farmers.

[ALL]

Huns and the spread of B blood types. ;)
Who knew Afghanistan and Pakistan?


Haplogroup L-M20 is a human Y-DNA haplogroup. It is most commonly found in populations native to South Asia – especially Afghanistan, Pakistan and South India. The clade also occurs in Tajikistan and Anatolia, as well as at lower frequencies in Iran, the Caucasus and Central Asia.


http://www.angelhills.org/siteimages/b17.gif

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/2000px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png

[ALL]

Don't forget Silesians:)

Good find bro!
Have a look at the Bashkirs! M73-KMS 67 country! .64 percentile in the heart of Sintashta land!

Bashkirs 0.64% (3/471) Lobov 2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

Artists representation of Atilla the Hun

http://orig15.deviantart.net/59ea/f/2015/266/0/e/atilla_the_hun_v8900_by_zaraalfonso-d9ammtd.jpg

[LoLeL]

Strange:

Hyun Jin Kim suggested that "from the names that we do know, most of which seem to be Turkic... the Hunnic elite was predominantly Turkic-speaking". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns)

However:
The Huns were "a confederation of warrior bands", ready to integrate other groups to increase their military power, in the Eurasian Steppe in the 4th to 6th centuries AD. Most aspects of their ethnogenesis (including their language and their links to other peoples of the steppes) are uncertain. Walter Pohl explicitly states: "All we can say safely is that the name Huns, in late antiquity, described prestigious ruling groups of steppe warriors."

So was this Hunnic chieftain Turkic or from other nomadic tribes who joined Huns?

[glass]

Gothic was lingua franca in hunnic state. Germanic tribesmen were majority in hunnic army. 3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs

[LoLeL]

Gothic was lingua franca in hunnic state. Germanic tribesmen were majority in hunnic army. 3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs

BROOO... Your theory is :bullshit: too.

[ALL]

BROOO... Your theory is ....... too.

Lowest frequencies of L-M20
Bashkirs 0.64% (3/471)
North Tyrol L-M20 is found in 0.8% of Tyroleans in Reutte

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b-borders.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tyrol#/media/File:Euroregion_Tirol_-_South_Tirol_-_Trentino_map.png

[Peterski]

perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs

Nope.

Proto-Balto-Slavs = Trzciniec culture (Bronze Age)
Proto-Italo-Celts = Unetice culture (Bronze Age)
Proto-Germanics = Nordic Bronze Age culture

I think so based on ancient DNA (Trzciniec still unpublished, but I know the results).

Map:

https://i.imgur.com/KzvBnze.png

Also - Unetice culture is 4300 years old. R1b-L617 (my subclade) is also 4300 years old.

My subclade correlates with Celtic ancestry and with copper mining. See these maps:

https://i.imgur.com/zqudwdp.png

Distribution of people with R1b-L617 (of course incomplete data, whatever I could find):

http://s4.postimg.org/79wnm2ucd/L617_distribution.png

Cornwall was a major metallurgical center during the Bronze Age, when L617 came there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Cornwall_and_Devon#Stone_Age_and_early_B ronze_Age


Mining in Cornwall has existed from the early Bronze Age Britain around 2150 BC.

Modern Spanish people = a mix of Unetice Celtic immigrants with Copper Age Iberians:

http://i.imgur.com/RTbUfjZ.png

Abd here more samples added, including a Middle Bronze Age Iberian from ~1600 BC:

http://i.imgur.com/zDUZ41R.png

[LoLeL]

Lowest frequencies of L-M20
Bashkirs 0.64% (3/471)
North Tyrol L-M20 is found in 0.8% of Tyroleans in Reutte

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b-borders.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tyrol#/media/File:Euroregion_Tirol_-_South_Tirol_-_Trentino_map.png

And?

[Rethel]

Proto-Balto-Slavs = Trzciniec culture (Bronze Age)

Problem is, that between Trzcieniec and historical Slavs is a 1500-2000 years break.
People who formed Slavs, or Trzcieniec, could during that time be illirizied, keltizied,
iranizied, germanizied and again slavizied - not all of course, but partially.

[ALL]

And?

Data fits, you can do the math.

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/Huns_450ad.jpg

[LoLeL]

Data fits, you can do the math.

http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/Huns_450ad.jpg

I mean what do you think about this chieftain and his background. Is any modern ethnicity close to him?

[ALL]

I mean what do you think about this chieftain and his background. Is any modern ethnicity close to him?

Without refined snps it might be hard to find who his descendants and relatives are. Still it would be interesting to get more data.


The much older Iranians lay the frame work.
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Maps/Achaemenid_and_Iranic_Peoples_in_the_Ancient_World .PNG

[Peterski]

Problem is, that between Trzcieniec and historical Slavs is a 1500-2000 years break.
People who formed Slavs, or Trzcieniec, could during that time be illirizied, keltizied,
iranizied, germanizied and again slavizied - not all of course, but partially.

But Balts were there all of the time.

Proto-Slavs were genetically close to modern Balts, but maybe with more of Caucasian admixture.

Basically 75% Lithuanian + 25% Circassian = hypothetical Proto-Slav.

[LoLeL]

Maybe these "L" Huns were some Parthians. Possible or impossible? Because I browsed this forum last year (before crash) and there was a member who claimed L is related to Dahae/Parthian.

[Afshar]

I cannot seem to find data on the Argyn L haplogroups, can someone share it if they have the data?
Kazakh L is almost exclusive to Tatars.

[Grab the Gauge]

Prior to the rise of the international Anglo-American hegemony, Europe was nothing but a seminal spittoon for Mongoloid males. Guys, please just accept this reality for what it was and stop pretending it was Arabs or Slavs. It was this guy:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/80/3c/4c/803c4c34d4be5f133b4ede762550dc2e.jpg

You weak, weak fucking beta males. How could you not have the vitality to defend your homelands?

[Böri]

Litvin is obvious Butlerking he likes troll Türks


Prior to the rise of the international Anglo-Saxon hegemony, Europe was nothing but a seminal spittoon for Mongoloid males. Guys, please just accept this reality for what it was and stop pretending it was Arabs or Slavs. It was this guy:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/80/3c/4c/803c4c34d4be5f133b4ede762550dc2e.jpg

You weak, weak fucking beta males. How could you not have the vitality to defend your homelands?

This guy Red Army Buriat (Mongol) soldier?

[Pahli]

Huge kek, Hunnic cheiftain aka. Gedrosian nigga :lol:

[LoLeL]

Huge kek, Hunnic cheiftain aka. Gedrosian nigga :lol:

I think it just confirms that Huns were a union of different Eurasian tribes and Huns were not a specific people. As I said, the only strange thing about this chieftain is his background. Which ancient tribe/region and the closest modern ethnic groups to him.

Just google Red Huns, White Huns, Black Huns, and other X Huns... Seems "Hun" was a cool name in that era. :laugh:

[Pahli]

I think it just confirms that Huns were a union of different Eurasian tribes and Huns were not a specific people. As I said, the only strange thing about this chieftain is his background. Which ancient tribe/region and the closest modern ethnic groups to him.

Just google Red Huns, White Huns, Black Huns, and other X Huns... Seems "Hun" was a cool name in that era. :laugh:

They had shitloads of ethnicities, they weren't only Turkic.

[LoLeL]

They had shitloads of ethnicities, they weren't only Turkic.

Yeah, Cimmerians, Huns and Scythians were not specific people. For example, there are many different tribes labeled as Scythian and Sarmatian. Antes labeled as "Sarmatian", but it seems they were early Slavs. So I prefer to avoid using terms like Indo-European, Iranic, Uralic, Finno-Ugric, Turkic, Slavic and etc for them.

[Proto-Shaman]

So, I am a Hun or what? which subclade is this Hunnic guy? L317, L357, or M27 ?

[Proto-Shaman]

They had shitloads of ethnicities, they weren't only Turkic.
not only, but mainly.

[Kelmendasi]

So, I am a Hun or what? which subclade is this Hunnic guy? L317, L357, or M27 ?
Are you L1b? I thought you were R1a. L1b-M317 seems to have some sort of central or west Asian origin probably near the Caucasus and Iran, samples of L1b-M317 https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1gJLnMN9SjIVga8q_J-94NaSMq0g&hl=ru&ll=33.88982920923199%2C51.880191773437446&z=5

[Proto-Shaman]

Are you L1b? I thought you were R1a. L1b-M317 seems to have some sort of central or west Asian origin probably near the Caucasus and Iran, samples of L1b-M317 https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1gJLnMN9SjIVga8q_J-94NaSMq0g&hl=ru&ll=33.88982920923199%2C51.880191773437446&z=5

R1a is only my pan-Turkism propaganda. Now L1b will be my Hun-Turk propaganda : P

Autosomally, my father is highly Northeast Caucasian, a mix between Lezgin-Nakh-Turkic.

[Yaglakar]

Gothic was lingua franca in hunnic state. Germanic tribesmen were majority in hunnic army. 3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs

Read this:

“We have already noted earlier the Gothic practice of Germanizing or Gothifying Hunnic royal names by adding Germanic suffixes. Thus the Germanic suffix -ila was added to names like Atilla and Rugila (Ruga), and Dengizich becomes Dintzirich by adding the Germanic suffix -reik (king). In addition even the names themselves were on occasions substituted by similar sounding Gothic names. By way of example the name of Attila’s father Mundzuk/Munčuk (pearl/jewel (turkic)) was turned into Mundiuks with the dz sound altered to make the name sound more Gothic, like the mund element in Gothic names such as Munderich. Attila’s own name was altered from Turkic As-til-a (great river/sea) to a more Gothic sounding atta-ila (little father) in the same way.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 119

“With the possible exception of Laudaricus and Ragnaris, these names were not the true names of the Hun princes and lords. What we have are Hunnic names in Germanic dress, modified to fit the Gothic tongue, or popular Gothic etymologies, or both.” Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen. 1973. The World of the Huns: Studies in Their History and Culture. University of California Press. p. 389

“Laudareiks was a Hun just like Attila, despite his Germanic name or more probably the Germanized version of his originally Hunnic name. The Gothic practice of Germanicizing Hunnic names is well known. For instance the Gothic suffix -ila was added to the name of the Hunnic king Roas/Ruga (which became Roila/Rugila). The Turkic names of virtually all the princes who rule Hunnic fiefs in the east such as attila’s sons Ellac, Ernakh/Irnik and Dengizich, Attila’s kinsmen who reside in the Danubian region after Attila: Emnetzur and Ultzindur (who hold Oescus, Utum and Almus on the right bank of the Danube), also of Attila’s uncle and father Octar and Mundzuk and Hunnic royal family members Kursich and Basich, are proof that the original names of the Hunnic princes were Turkic, right up to the time of Atilla’s death and beyond, not Germanic. The Germanicization of Hunnic (Oghuric Turkic) names may have been a conscious policy among Hunnic elite in the west to ease the transition to their rule of formerly independent Germanic tribal unions.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 111

“The European Huns were equally heterogenous as the Xiongnu of Mongolia. Their core language was very likely to have been Oghuric Turkic given the names of their kings and princes, which for the most part Oghuric Turkic in origin as the list below shows:
1.Mundzuk (Attila the Hun’s father, from Turkic Munčuk = pearl/jewel)
2.Oktar/Uptar (Attila’s uncle, Öktär = brave/powerful)
3.Oebarsius (another of Attila’s paternal uncles, Aibars = leopard of the moon)
4.Karaton (Hunnic supreme king before Ruga, Qaraton = black-cloak)
5.Basik (Hunnic noble of royal blood early fight century, Barsiğ = governor)
6.Kursik (Hunnic noble of royal blood, from either Kürsiğ, meaning brave or noble, or Quršiğ meaning belt-bearer)
Furthermore, all three of Atilla’s known sons have probable Turkic names: Ellac, Dengizich, Ernakh/Hernak, and Attila’s principal wife, the mother of the first son Ellac, has the Turkic name Herekan, as does another wife named Eskam. The heavy concentration of Turkic peoples in the areas from which the Huns derived before their major expansion into Europe and Central Asia is likely to have led to the consolidation of a Turkic language as the dominant language among European Huns.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 7-8

Jordanes’ description of Atilla: “Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin”

Jordanes’ description of Huns: “They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes…”

With regards to 3 surviving supposedly Hunnic words - their etymology is contested (Germanic, Slavic, Iranic, or Turkic). Even if it was not contested the sample size of 3 words is too small to come to any sort of conclusion. But personal names are plenty and they are of Turkic origin with subsequent Germanization. Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen summarizes etymological battle here and puts forward his own theory:

“As is known from Julius Africanus’ Embroideries and Diocletian’s Edictum de Pretiis, the Pannonians drank kamos (kamum) long before Attila. The word is Indo-European. Vambery’s Turkish etymology kamos = qymyz, followed by Dieterich, Parker and for a while Altheim, is to be rejected. -os is the Greek ending, kam- is not qymyz, and qymyz is a drink of milk, not barley. Medos, too, is Indo-European, either Germanic or Illyric.”
Strava:
The initial consonant cluster precludes the Turkish etymology offered by B. von Arnim. Grrimm reconstructed from Gothic straujan, ‘to strew’. Since then this etymology has been repeated so often that to doubt it is by now almost a sacrilege….
There remains Slavic etymology… Occasioanlly and under special circumstances foreign words were borrowed for an old, native burial custom. But it is most unlikely that the Huns turned to Slavs for a term to designate what was doubtless a Hunnic custom. One of Priscus’ or Jordanes’ informants seems to have been a Slav. Knowing neither Hunnic nor Slavic, Priscus or Jordanes could have take Strava for a Hunnic word.” Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen. 1973. The World of the Huns: Studies in Their History and Culture. University of California Press. p. 425-426

[Yaglakar]

Strange:


However:
The Huns were "a confederation of warrior bands", ready to integrate other groups to increase their military power, in the Eurasian Steppe in the 4th to 6th centuries AD. Most aspects of their ethnogenesis (including their language and their links to other peoples of the steppes) are uncertain. Walter Pohl explicitly states: "All we can say safely is that the name Huns, in late antiquity, described prestigious ruling groups of steppe warriors."

So was this Hunnic chieftain Turkic or from other nomadic tribes who joined Huns?

Read the post above

[LoLeL]

Read the post above

NOPE :rolleyes:

[Yaglakar]

NOPE :rolleyes:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xUA7aYtwwIjmCa8JzO/giphy.gif

[Proto-Shaman]

3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs
Russian strongness and barbarism comes from Turkic Huns. Welcome to the 4urka club. Turan livs in your veins.

[Proto-Shaman]

Are you L1b? I thought you were R1a. L1b-M317 seems to have some sort of central or west Asian origin probably near the Caucasus and Iran, samples of L1b-M317 https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1gJLnMN9SjIVga8q_J-94NaSMq0g&hl=ru&ll=33.88982920923199%2C51.880191773437446&z=5
Do you also have map for L-M20?

[Cumansky]

I have unusual Hungarian German match Y-DNA L

They get around 9.4% East Eurasian, 3.5% SSA, 1.5% Melanesian. When my phone charges I will post it here

[Proto-Shaman]

I have unusual Hungarian German match Y-DNA L

They get around 9.4% East Eurasian, 3.5% SSA, 1.5% Melanesian. When my phone charges I will post it here
post his K23b results.

[Cumansky]

I double check this Hungarian German person has (mtdna L1c1d African origin) not Y-DNA my bad, still maybe interesting..

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.89
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.35
3 Caucasian 21.53
4 South_Central_Asian 5.8
5 Near_East 2.74
6 East_African 1.83
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.7
8 Australoid 1.43
9 South_East_Asian 1
10 Amerindian 0.96
11 Subsaharian 0.91
12 Archaic_Human 0.6
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.11
14 North_African 0.11
15 Austronesian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German ( ) 4.29
2 Dutch ( ) 4.71
3 South_German ( ) 5.37
4 Belgian ( ) 5.54
5 Dane ( ) 5.67
6 Irish ( ) 5.72
7 Frisian ( ) 5.78
8 English ( ) 5.85
9 Swede ( ) 6.22
10 Norwegian_East ( ) 6.45
11 North_European ( ) 6.81
12 German-Volga ( ) 6.99
13 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 8.27
14 CEU ( ) 9
15 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 9.18
16 Norwegian_West ( ) 9.42
17 Swede_Saami ( ) 9.64
18 Welsh ( ) 9.73
19 British ( ) 9.9
20 Icelandic ( ) 10.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% North_German ( ) + 7.6% French_South ( ) @ 3.25
2 95.4% North_German ( ) + 4.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 3.27
3 95.6% North_German ( ) + 4.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.27
4 94.4% North_German ( ) + 5.6% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 3.27
5 91% North_German ( ) + 9% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 3.3
6 91.4% North_German ( ) + 8.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.31
7 90.2% North_German ( ) + 9.8% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 3.32
8 91.6% North_German ( ) + 8.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.33
9 89.4% North_German ( ) + 10.6% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.34
10 77.3% North_German ( ) + 22.7% Welsh ( ) @ 3.35
11 89% North_German ( ) + 11% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 3.35
12 88.3% North_German ( ) + 11.7% Spaniard ( ) @ 3.36
13 90.8% North_German ( ) + 9.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
14 89.3% North_German ( ) + 10.7% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
15 88.9% North_German ( ) + 11.1% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.38
16 82.5% North_German ( ) + 17.5% French ( ) @ 3.38
17 57.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 42.7% Slovenian ( ) @ 3.39
18 65.1% Welsh ( ) + 34.9% Slovak ( ) @ 3.4
19 52.3% Austrian ( ) + 47.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.41
20 76.2% North_German ( ) + 23.8% CEU ( ) @ 3.42

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish_ +50% South_German_ @ 4.367247

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balt_ +25% Basque_French_ +25% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.635671

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.304177
2 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.350450
3 Basque_Spanish_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.404907
4 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.416566
5 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.425536
6 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.437300
7 Basque_Spanish_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.466763
8 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.503217
9 Basque_Spanish_ + Latvian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.515184
10 Basque_French_ + Belarusian_West_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.519006
11 Basque_Spanish_ + Estonian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.541049
12 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Lithuanian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.547410
13 Basque_French_ + Belarusian_West_ + Estonian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.549369
14 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 3.575036
15 Azov_Greek_ + Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Latvian_ @ 3.578773
16 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.584327
17 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Russian-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.593832
18 Basque_Spanish_ + Latvian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.606346
19 Azov_Greek_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Latvian_ @ 3.616179
20 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 3.618277

[Proto-Shaman]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33134-Hun-sample-finds-in-Kazakstan?p=495804&viewfull=1#post495804

Could it be that the Huns are the descendants of the root of the Kura Araxes culture(linked with Ubaid and Sumerian cultures), which is associated with the Areni-1 findings?
Could it be that the origin of Y-haplogroup L and T are in the oldest Kura Araxes culture people, and that the Huns are descendants of these oldest Kura Araxes culture people? These Kura Araxes culture people spoke a Proto Turk language, and tribes associated with them are described in the Sumerian tablets like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar", their basis was in the Urmia River region.

Please have a look at the paper of study "Areni-1 Cave, Armenia: A Chalcolithic–Early Bronze Age settlement and ritual site in the southern Caucasus", "Keith Wilkinson":

"The 14C date on the charcoal from the clay ball associated with Burial 1 suggests that the ritual during which the skulls were plastered into the vessels took place around 3970–3800 CAL B.C. (TABLE 1)."

"The results of excavations undertaken at Areni-1 Cave extend the date for the first appearance of Kura-Araxes-type artifact assemblages to 4100–3800 CAL B.C., several hundred years before the previously accepted earliest date (Kushnareva 1997: 49; Kiguradze and Sagona 2003: 38–94; Kohl 2007: 86–104). "
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https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33134-Hun-sample-finds-in-Kazakstan?p=495858&viewfull=1#post495858

And the majority of the Turks/Huns(and the Turk language) belonged to the Western Eurasian skull type. Another note is the fact that the oldest kurgans are found in the Kura Araxes culture (Urmia region), this burial type is associated with the medieval Huns, which means that the ancestors of the Huns should have came from the Urmia region. As far as we know the Sumerian language is an agglutinative language which is equal to Altaic/Dravidian/Uralic type of languages. The Sumerian language is a non-Indo-European(non-Aryan) and non-Semitic language. The Sumerians are the descendants of the Ubaid culture people, and several archaeological studies have proven that the Ubaid culture people are the same as the Kura Araxes culture people. The Sumerian tribe names like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar" indicate that the language of Kura Araxes - Sumerian people is a Proto Turk language.