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Kamal900
12-02-2016, 09:34 AM
"Strikingly, one Roman skeleton shows a clear signal of exogenous origin, with affinities pointing towards the Middle East, confirming the cosmopolitan character of the Empire, even at its northernmost fringes. […]
Seven ancient genomes are sampled from a cemetery in Roman York dated between the second and the fourth century AD […]
the majority (6/7) of Driffield Terrace samples belong to sub-lineages of R1b-L52/L11 […] Sample 3DRIF-26, on the other hand, despite belonging to the same burial context, presented a lineage consistent with haplogroup J2-L228 […] majority were adults under 45 years old, male and most had evidence of decapitation. They were slightly taller than average for Roman Britain, displayed a high occurrence of trauma, potentially related to interpersonal violence and evidenced childhood stress and infection. This demographic profile resembles the population structure in a recently excavated burial ground of the second and third century AD at Ephesus, which has been interpreted to be a burial ground for gladiators. However, the evidence could also fit with a military context; the Roman army had a minimum height for recruitment and fallen soldiers would match the young adult profile of the cemetery. […]

Affinity with global populations […] 3DRIF-26 gives a clear Middle Eastern signal, with closest neighbours of Palestinian, Jordanian and Syrian origin. […] ancestral component […] whereas 3DRIF-26 again shows a majority West Asian/Middle Eastern component. Isotopic analyses of the skeletons support this genetic differentiation of 3DRIF-26 from the remainder of the individuals sampled. […] 3DRIF-26, which showed highest IBS with samples from Saudi Arabia. […] assignment of 3DRIF-26 to the Middle East region seems secure, but resolution to an individual population may not be possible. […] imputed lactase persistence genotypes: […] 3DRIF-26 were homozygous for the ancestral non-persistence variant. […]
Discussion: […] affinities clearly lie with the Middle East. Isotopically, the most plausible suggestion is an arid environment on igneous or limestone geology […] Hence, although this individual is indistinguishable from the other inhumations in terms of burial practice and osteology, the analyses show that, even in its northernmost provincial capital, the profoundly cosmopolitan nature of the Roman Empire suggested by documentary and epigraphic sources continued to hold sway[...]"

http://pichoster.net/images/2016/01/21/Ancient_England.png

"Red = England Iron Age
Orange = England Anglo-Saxon
Yellow = British Romans with R1b-U106
Black = British Romans
Black star = Middle Eastern Roman"

He also posted 3DRIF-26's K15 results:

ID 3DRIF-26
North_Sea 0.02
Atlantic 4.06
Baltic 0
Eastern_Euro 0
West_Med 11.24
West_Asian 10.99
East_Med 46.16
Red_Sea 20.98
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 6.54
Sub-Saharan 0.02
Times of Grace posted his K15 oracle results
The K15 oracle results for 3DRIF-26 using Admix4 [least-squares]

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Palestinian @ 7.892861
2 Bedouin @ 9.735329
3 Jordanian @ 10.699103
4 Samaritan @ 10.882444
5 Egyptian @ 12.261471
6 Yemenite_Jewish @ 13.881736
7 Lebanese_Christian @ 14.134447
8 Syrian @ 15.455195
9 Saudi @ 15.633462
10 Libyan_Jewish @ 16.488793
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 16.849952
12 Tunisian_Jewish @ 16.947318
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.665131
14 Cyprian @ 18.849272
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.690977
16 Kurdish_Jewish @ 21.923758
17 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.983456
18 Iranian_Jewish @ 22.708555
19 Italian_Jewish @ 22.898936
20 Assyrian @ 26.329748
206 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.730545
2 Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.433585
3 Cyprian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.435184
4 Libyan_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.54292
5 Syrian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.863652
6 Samaritan+Saudi @ 6.055764
7 Jordanian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.058507
8 Lebanese_Muslim+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.412908
9 Palestinian+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.546099
10 Sephardic_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.605741
21321 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Samaritan +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.790951
2 50% Samaritan +25% Egyptian +25% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.835664
3 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Cyprian +25% Egyptian @ 3.970079
4 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Syrian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.141381
5 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Samaritan +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.156833
6 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Algerian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 4.168106
7 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moroccan @ 4.197818
8 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Jordanian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.22339
9 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 4.26225
10 50% Yemenite_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Tunisian @ 4.274044
1550395 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Samaritan+Saudi+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.616255
2 Samaritan+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite _Jewish @ 3.790951
3 Egyptian+Samaritan+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.835664
4 Cyprian+Egyptian+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.970079
5 Libyan_Jewish+Samaritan+Saudi+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.032339
6 Lebanese_Christian+Saudi+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_ Jewish @ 4.032568
7 Egyptian+Palestinian+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.113074
8 Syrian+Tunisian_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite_Je wish @ 4.141381
9 Samaritan+Sephardic_Jewish+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenit e_Jewish @ 4.156833
10 Algerian_Jewish+Samaritan+Yemenite_Jewish+Yemenite _Jewish @ 4.168106

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6263-Genomic-signals-of-migration-and-continuity-in-Britain-before-the-Anglo-Saxons&p=135042&viewfull=1#post135042

http://j2-m172.info/2016/01/exogenous-roman-era-york-3drif-26-is-j2b1-m205-and-likely-middle-eastener/

Is the gladiator Nabatean or something? I just find it very fascinating on the fact that he clusters very close to my people, Jordanians, Egyptians, Yemeni Jews and Saudis.

Not a Cop
12-02-2016, 09:53 AM
Old news, yeah, he is obviously a kebab import.

Kamal900
12-02-2016, 10:00 AM
Old news, yeah, he is obviously a kebab import.

Not really that old since the study came out like last year, but yeah, he is, lol.

Not a Cop
12-02-2016, 10:04 AM
Not really that old since the study came out like last year, but yeah, he is, lol.

Well that's not really surprising. Populational movements in Roman Empire were a thing obviously, the only interesting thing is that it was one of the first ancient genomes studied in Britain.

Peterski
12-02-2016, 10:04 AM
Do you know what is his GEDmatch kit number?

It would be nice to upload also other gladiators from York to GEDmatch.

But I don't know where to find their genomes.

Kamal900
12-02-2016, 10:10 AM
Do you know what is his GEDmatch kit number?

It would be nice to upload also other gladiators from York to GEDmatch.

But I don't know where to find their genomes.

I found his oracle results from Anthrogenica. Maybe you could ask one of the members in that thread I have posted. Anyway, do you think that the gladiator was a Nabatean or a Jew? He clusters very closely with Palestinians, Bedouins, and Arabians.

Poise n Pen
12-02-2016, 10:24 AM
1. Romans never let the locals garrison themselves but moved the legions around to avoid revolts, and recruited locally more and more as time went on.
2. Tiberius hated the Jews and would draft them into special regiments where he sent them to guard the places they were most likely to be killed or die of disease.