Should NATO reconfigure its alliances?

[Petros Agapetos]

Should NATO reconfigure its alliances under Trump?
What do you think about adding or removing certain countries to NATO?
Do you like the state of NATO today? What, if anything, do you think can be improved?

[Drawing-slim]

Only loyal popualtions of NATO should be part of this group. albania US germany turkey croatia Poland austria italy great Britain norway dnamrk..
Basically the superior white club members only which are bound together not only in pholosophy but by blood, by nature.

[Petros Agapetos]

Only loyal popualtions of NATO should be part of this group. albania US germany turkey croatia Poland austria italy great Britain norway dnamrk..
Basically the superior white club members only which are bound together not only in pholosophy but by blood, by nature.

But if you're sympathetic with the spirit of reconfiguring our alliances to compat Islamofascism, then countries like Turkey would have to be removed, for their role in aiding the Islamic State by (i) allowing them to enter Syria from Turkey and (ii) for refusing John Kerry's request that Turkey stop financing the Islamic State by buying oil from them.

Who do you consider to be a greater threat to world peace, modern Russia or global Islamic jihad?

I for one think NATO itself is obsolete, since there is no Soviet Communist empire anymore.

[Petros Agapetos]

What do you think of Russia joining NATO? Would it defeat its own purpose?. Or would it mean a new era in foreign policy?

[Dema]

NATO too strong

[Petros Agapetos]

NATO too strong

Do you think NATO will be strengthened or weakened if Russia joined?

[Proto-Shaman]

Nato is just a graveyard of the peoples of Europe.

[Petros Agapetos]

Nato is just a graveyard of the peoples of Europe.

So would you support that Turkey leave NATO?

[Petros Agapetos]

Why is Turkey in NATO? (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/fitzgerald-why-is-turkey-in-nato)


Why is Turkey in NATO? Is Turkish membership of any value, or is it a danger to the effectiveness of NATO as that organization must necessarily turn its attention away from Russia to the threat from Islam worldwide, and especially to the threat, foreign and domestic, that Muslims who take Islam seriously pose to the West and to the West’s most important military alliance, NATO?

Of what conceivable good, of what possible benefit, is Turkish membership in NATO to the other members of NATO? And why should Turkey be a member, and not instead a country that is of far greater value militarily and morally to that very West that NATO was originally established to protect — that is, Israel?

Some still choose to describe Turkey, quite backdatedly (it’s not the 1950s or the 1960s anymore) as “our NATO ally Turkey.” Turkey is indeed a member of NATO. But the main reason for NATO’s existence in the past was the military threat posed by the Soviet Union, and Turkey, which was happy to collaborate in efforts to contain its ancient enemy Russia, was a good ally. The Soviet Union was for the Turks their hereditary enemy, Russia, under a slightly different guise, and Turkey could and did offer troops (for the Korean War), and listening posts and airbases.

[Petros Agapetos]

NATO Warns Turkey; No Support if You Start a War With Russia (http://www.jihadwatcheurope.org/nato-warns-turkey-no-support-if-you-start-a-war-with-russia/)

Literally for months, Turkey has been causing all sorts of trouble in the Middle East, and wielding its membership in NATO as a shield against reprisals. Today, that nonsense ended.

“Ankara should not exaggerate its NATO resources: The alliance would not give any support of a Turkish aggression against Russia.” Those were the words of Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn, who made clear he spoke for several other NATO Member countries.

An example of Turkey’s abuse of its NATO membership became crystal clear about five days ago, when Turkey began artillery shelling from 400 meters away from its border with Syria. The Turks fired countless artillery shells into Syria, in support of Turkish-backed rebels who are trying to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Syria told Turkey to stop the artillery shelling. Turkey refused. Then Russia told Turkey to stop because the shelling is endangering Russian forces inside Syria who are fighting the Rebels and ISIS/Al-Qaeda terrorists. Turkey refused. Then The United States told Turkey to stop the artillery shelling, and Turkey again refused, apparently thinking that its membership in NATO made Turkey invincible. ”

“They seem to think the US and NATO are obligated to fight for Turkey even if Turkey is the one who starts a war” said one US State Department Spokesman. “That is not how the NATO Treaty works” he continued. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn confirmed this when he said ‘The mutual defense guarantee applies only if a Member State is attacked in a unique way.

Some have used more common examples to describe Turkey’s recent behavior. “They’re like a little brother who abuses everyone thinking his big brother will simply beat up everyone the little guy starts a fight with.” Sooner or later, the big brother has to allow the little guy to get a bloody nose so he understands he cannot treat people any way he wants and use the big brother as a threat.”

Despite this clear warning, Turkey continues its artillery shelling of Syria. Sadly, it looks like Turkey is headed for that “bloody nose” to teach it to behave.

[Proto-Shaman]

So would you support that Turkey leave NATO?

yes and no. yes, because today Turkey has different geo-political interests than Europe. And no, because otherwise Turkey would be alone in terms of millitary power. A good alternative would be a Turkic alliance TAKM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAKM) which was founded in 2013 I think.

[Petros Agapetos]

US General: Turkey Should Be Kicked Out of NATO (http://www.jihadwatcheurope.org/us-general-turkey-should-be-kicked-out-of-nato/)

Turkey pursues its own interests in the Syrian conflict and it is not cooperating with NATO or other forces in the region, a retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely said in an interview with RT.

The downing of a Russian Su-24 bomber by the Turkish air force will hardly be the last act of provocation by Ankara, so NATO should kick Turkey out of the alliance, Vallely said.

Are Washington’s Fingerprints All Over Downing of Russian Su-24 Bomber?

He believes that the attack on the Russian aircraft had nothing to do with protecting national borders. It was aimed at demonstrating to Russia that Turkey is the dominant power in the region and that it’s not going to give ground. The president of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been involved in the conflict in the area for quite some time, and this incident isn’t the first of its kind: a few years ago Turkey shot down a Syrian jet.

According to Vallely, the Su-24 incident was a clear provocation. And since Turkey seeks to control the situation in the region and lays claim to being a regional leader, it is going to continue to commit provocative actions in the future.

NATO should consider this incident a red flag, the retired Major General stressed. Turkey unilaterally made a decision to down a Russian plane and showed that it is not going to agree its actions with the alliance. This has been Ankara’s policy for a long time.

“They want to recreate their own Ottoman Empire to a great degree, and of course Erdogan is moving more towards a controlled Islamic State [ISIL]. So they have the wrong agenda

[Petros Agapetos]

yes and no. yes, because today Turkey has different geo-political interests than Europe. And no, because otherwise Turkey would be alone in terms of millitary power. A good alternative would be a Turkic alliance TAKM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAKM) which was founded in 2013 I think.

I think that's a sensible direction for Turkey to pursue.
Turkey was very useful against the Soviet Union due to its geography.
But now that the Soviet Union does not exist, and Russia is not a communist empire, I don't really see the point of NATO to begin with.
If I were Trump I would completely reconfigure NATO to fight our actual modern concerns all around the globe, and I would not call it NATO, and would not limit countries based on how close they are to the Atlantic ocean. I think NATO is outdated already. I wish Trump could do something about it.

[Petros Agapetos]

If you could replace NATO what would you replace it with?

I would create an Anti-Islamic Front. Countries like Albania and Bosnia are welcome to join but they must end their membership to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

USA
Canada
Germany
France
Italy
Britain
Sweden
Norway
Greece
Israel
Cyprus
Armenia
Georgia
Albania
Serbia
Bulgaria
Romania
Baltic States
Russia
etc.

[Petros Agapetos]

What do you think of Russia joining NATO? Would it defeat its own purpose?. Or would it mean a new era in foreign policy?

[Petros Agapetos]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196929-Should-Russia-join-NATO-Poll!/page6
Should Russia join NATO - Poll!

[Petros Agapetos]

What do you think about Armenia and Georgia joining NATO? (if Russia agrees, of course).

[Petros Agapetos]

Current NATO Members (including the year they joined)

BELGIUM (1949)
CANADA (1949)
DENMARK (1949)
FRANCE (1949)
ICELAND (1949)
ITALY (1949)
LUXEMBOURG (1949)
NETHERLANDS (1949)
NORWAY (1949)
PORTUGAL (1949)
THE UNITED KINGDOM (1949)
THE UNITED STATES (1949)
GREECE (1952)
TURKEY (1952)
GERMANY (1955)
SPAIN (1982)
CZECH REPUBLIC (1999)
HUNGARY (1999)
POLAND (1999)
BULGARIA (2004)
ESTONIA (2004)
LATVIA (2004)
LITHUANIA (2004)
ROMANIA (2004)
SLOVAKIA (2004)
SLOVENIA (2004)
ALBANIA (2009)
CROATIA (2009)

There are currently 28 member countries in NATO.

[Laberia]

If you could replace NATO what would you replace it with?

I would create an Anti-Islamic Front. Countries like Albania and Bosnia are welcome to join but they must end their membership to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

USA
Canada
Germany
France
Italy
Britain
Sweden
Norway
Greece
Israel
Cyprus
Armenia
Georgia
Albania
Serbia
Bulgaria
Romania
Baltic States
Russia
etc.

OK, let's agree for a moment that we created this front, this military alliance. Can you describe the enemy now? How many soldiers they have? Where is their Fleet(s), how many pieces of artillery they have, where is their aviation, etc, etc.

[Fantomas]

Should NATO reconfigure its alliances under Trump?
What do you think about adding or removing certain countries to NATO?
Do you like the state of NATO today? What, if anything, do you think can be improved?

Very pacific organization last years. after Gaddafi regime destruction there's no worth mentioning events. Obama, Hollande and Merkel are childrens of flowers from 60's and that's the problem. As a result large scale wars and refugee crisis.

[Petros Agapetos]

Very pacific organization last years. after Gaddafi regime destruction there's no worth mentioning events. Obama, Hollande and Merkel are childrens of flowers from 60's and that's the problem. As a result large scale wars and refugee crisis.

Do you think NATO will be stronger with Russia?

[Fantomas]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196929-Should-Russia-join-NATO-Poll!/page6
Should Russia join NATO - Poll!

Just like cancer tumor should join a healthy body


Do you think NATO will be stronger with Russia?
No, surely

[Dragoon]

NATO needs to disappear.

[Óttar]

Should NATO reconfigure its alliances under Trump?
What do you think about adding or removing certain countries to NATO?
Do you like the state of NATO today? What, if anything, do you think can be improved?
Yes. Fuck the Turkish government, supporters of terror.