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Ulf
01-31-2009, 05:20 PM
In meta-ethics, the is-ought problem (also known as Hume's guillotine) was raised by David Hume (Scottish philosopher and historian, 1711–1776), who noted that many writers make claims about what ought to be, on the basis of statements about what is. However, there seems to be a significant difference between descriptive statements (about what is) and prescriptive statements (about what ought to be).

Hume discusses the problem in book III, part I, section I of his A Treatise of Human Nature:

“ In every system of morality, which I have hitherto met with, I have always remark'd, that the author proceeds for some time in the ordinary ways of reasoning, and establishes the being of a God, or makes observations concerning human affairs; when all of a sudden I am surpriz'd to find, that instead of the usual copulations of propositions, is, and is not, I meet with no proposition that is not connected with an ought, or an ought not. This change is imperceptible; but is however, of the last consequence. For as this ought, or ought not, that expresses some new relation or affirmation, 'tis necessary that it shou'd be observ'd and explain'd; and at the same time that a reason should be given; for what seems altogether inconceivable, how this new relation can be a deduction from others, which are entirely different from it. ”

Hume then calls for writers to be on their guard against such inferences, if they cannot give an explanation of how the ought-statements are supposed to follow from the is-statements. But how exactly can you derive an "ought" from an "is"? In other words, given our knowledge of the way the world is, how can we know the way the world ought to be? That question, prompted by Hume's small paragraph, has become one of the central questions of ethical theory, and Hume is usually assigned the position that such a derivation is impossible. This complete severing of "is" from "ought" has been given the graphic designation of "Hume's Guillotine".

A similar (though distinct) view is defended by G. E. Moore's open question argument, intended to refute any identification of moral properties with natural properties—the so-called naturalistic fallacy.

Consequences of is-ought problem

The apparent gap between "is" statements and "ought" statements, when combined with Hume's fork—the idea that all items of knowledge are either based on logic and definitions or on observation—renders "ought" statements of dubious validity. Since "ought" statements do not seem to be known in either of the two ways mentioned, it would seem that there can be no moral knowledge. Two responses to this are moral skepticism and non-cognitivism.

The answer of those who believe in actual moral knowledge depends upon a few presuppositions. One has to do with the definition of reality to which descriptive truths are said to correspond. Another has to do with the existence of indefinables.

An effective moral cognitivist response asserts that the term "reality" designates (or connotes) those things actually existing independent of the mind, rather than those representations of such things in the mind that we call knowledge, or of wishes entertained that things might be otherwise. An effective moral cognitivist response maintains that the truth of "is" statements is ultimately based on their correspondence to reality (both in the realm of actuality and the ideal), while that of "ought" statements is not.

Indefinables are concepts so global that they cannot be defined; rather, in a sense, they themselves, and the objects to which they refer, define our reality and our ideas. Their meanings cannot be stated in a true definition, but their meanings can be referred to instead by being placed with their incomplete definitions in self-evident statements, the truth of which can be tested by whether or not it is impossible to think the opposite without a contradiction. Thus, the truth of indefinable concepts and propositions using them is entirely a matter of logic.

An example of the above is that of the concepts "finite parts" and "wholes"; they cannot be defined without reference to each other and thus with some amount of circularity, but we can make the self-evident statement that "the whole is greater than any of its parts", and thus establish a meaning particular to the two concepts.

These two notions being granted, it can be said that statements of "ought" are measured by their prescriptive truth, just as statements of "is" are measured by their descriptive truth; and the descriptive truth of an "is" judgment is defined by its correspondence to reality (actual or in the mind), while the prescriptive truth of an "ought" judgment is defined according to a more limited scope—its correspondence to right desire (conceivable in the mind and able to be found in the rational appetite, but not in the more "actual" reality of things independent of the mind or rational appetite)

To some, this may immediately suggest the question: "How can we know what is right desire if it is already admitted that it is not based on the more actual reality of things independent of the mind?" The beginning of the answer is found when we consider that the concepts "good", "bad", "right" and "wrong" are indefinables. Thus, right desire cannot be defined properly, but a way to refer to its meaning may be found through a self-evident prescriptive truth.

That self-evident truth which the moral cognitivist claims to exist upon which all other prescriptive truths are ultimately based is: One ought to desire what is really good for one and nothing else. The terms "real good" and "right desire" cannot be defined apart from each other, and thus their definitions would contain some degree of circularity, but the stated self-evident truth indicates a meaning particular to the ideas sought to be understood, and it is (the moral cognitivist claims) impossible to think the opposite without a contradiction. Thus combined with other descriptive truths of what is good (goods in particular considered in terms of whether they suit a particular end and the limits to the possession of such particular goods being compatible with the general end of the possession of the total of all real goods throughout a whole life), a valid body of knowledge of right desire is generated.

Criticisms

A handful of arguments have been proposed which claim to show that an "ought" can actually be derived from an "is". John Searle devised one such argument. It tries to show that the act of making a promise places one under an obligation by definition, and that such an obligation amounts to an "ought". This view is still widely debated, and to answer criticisms, Searle has further developed the concept of institutional facts—for example that a certain building is, in fact, a bank, and that certain paper is, in fact, money—would seem to depend upon general recognition of those institutions and their value.

Many modern naturalistic philosophers see no impenetrable barrier in deriving "ought" from "is" believing an "ought" can derive from an "is" whenever we analyze goal-directed behavior, and a statement of the form "In order for A to achieve goal B, A ought to do C" exhibits no category error and may be factually verified or refuted.

This doesn't really address the problem however, since the 'goal' is an implied ought. So this argument amounts to nothing more than deriving an ought from an ought.

For some naturalists, simple ethical ought-beliefs such as monogamy and "thou shalt not kill" follow naturally from human biological drives such as pair-bonding and avoiding unnecessary violence(althought this ignores the reality of competing drives.) The more complex ethical rules of society are derived for mutual benefit, and are perhaps amenable to an ethical methodology such as utilitarianism. The wider investigation of how social rules arise during group evolution belongs to the scientific field of sociobiology. In contrast, those who propose supernaturalist origins of morality (maintaining is/ought incommensurability) assert these similarities between ethical rules and natural biological behavior are just coincidental. By itself supernaturalism fails to elucidate morality since the supernaturalist must additionally show how we are to choose between competing supernatural ethical systems without appealing to naturalistic principles such as minimizing suffering. Consequently naturalists claim a supernaturalist approach to ethics appears arbitrary and has no explanatory advantage.

Daniel Dennett gives another perspective on the is-ought problem, arguing that although one cannot "rush from facts to values", nevertheless it is necessary to consider is-statements when attempting to derive an ought:


Ethics must somehow be based on an appreciation of human nature—on a sense of what a human being is or might be, and on what a human being might want to have or want to be. If that is naturalism, then naturalism is no fallacy. No one could seriously deny that ethics is responsive to such facts about human nature. We may just disagree about where to look for the most telling facts about human nature—in novels, in religious texts, in psychological experiments, in biological or anthropological innovations. The fallacy is not naturalism, but rather, any simple-minded attempt to rush from facts to values.
—Daniel Dennett Darwin's Dangerous Idea

Ayn Rand claimed to have solved the is-ought problem, writing, "The fact that a living entity is, determines what it ought to do. So much for the relation between 'is' and 'ought'." Rand maintained that "an ultimate value is that final goal or end to which all lesser goals are the means—and it sets the standard by which all lesser goals are evaluated. An organism's life is its standard of value: that which furthers its life is the good, that which threatens it is the evil." She argued that an objective system of morality is both possible and necessary (see Objectivism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem

lei.talk
02-01-2009, 10:17 AM
as a child,
the library was my refuge (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=621779#post621779).

working my way through fifty-plus
of mortimer adler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Adler)'s favorite books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books),
each time i exclaimed
over an other error of fact or reasoning
by a famously intelligent author -

my mother would respond:
"They, obviously, did not know as much as we do, darling."

which, in retrospect, is true:
hundreds and thousands of years past,
great thinkers labored with a paucity of technical/scientific knowledge
and a ratiocinative razor
that lacked the fine edge to which it has been honed, today.

with the knowledge and tools of thought
available, today,
some relationships seem ineluctable:

Originally Posted by lei.talkhttp://i40.tinypic.com/eqtc9w.jpg (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=619276#post619276)
there is an "ought" implicit in every "is".

the obvious example:
what an acorn "is" determines that it "ought" to be an oak.

inadequate external cues
will prevent that potential from realisation.
*

Aemma
02-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Great post Ulf! It made my think...curses!! :D

So here goes:

True enough lei.talk and I do like the example of the acorn and oak tree, but something is still bothering me about this presupposition that Oughts can or should be easily derived from Its. Of course an Ought can merely be seen as the next logical step when determining the Isness of an It, on some level, to be sure. But on a grander scale, I tend to think that Ought-ness quite literally deadens Is-ness. The potentiality of Real and Full Being becomes secondary to that which we assume or presuppose or hypothesize its Ought-ness ought to be. I'm not sure that in my worldview I can accept such things anymore. I'd much rather experience the Is-ness of a thing/event/moment/being than not now, though I have to say it takes a whole lot more courage from me to do so at times than I think I have within me. I'm a born idealist and have lived in the world of Ought for a very long time but as I age, I see the illusionary nature of such (for me at least) and have started to embrace a more Is type of worldview more than likely due to my having become heathen and having undergone a huge philosophical paradigm shift during these last few years.

I don't deny that there is room for Ought-ness in life, it's the matter of degree of such that has me concerned. I think there is room for Ought-ness in terms of bettering oneself for instance, such as 'Ought I strive to be a better parent or better spouse?' But the questions which play out in the greater theatre of Life such as 'Ought we all get along in the world?' or 'Ought we all respect one another?' or even 'Ought we, as wealthy Western industrialised countries, have foreign aid policies?' --these are some of the sticky wicket questions that I think an emphasis on Ought-ness have gotten us into quite the tangled mess from a global perspective.

There's a line to be drawn there somewhere. I myself don't have my own clear-cut answer just yet (and might never). But the question of Is and Ought is certainly well worth a good study by us all, especially during these coming darker times.

Cheers for now!...Aemma