Post Eurogenes k15 individualized PCA mapping coordinates

[de Burgh II]

I realized this that this thread got lost in the crash a while back so I thought I might as well revive it for people for didn't know about this.

Essentially, you can use this website to enter in your components/results from Eurogenes k15 here: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

You will get the coordinates once you hit the calculate/ dialog box below it.

Then, you can download/save the image below from the website or from the link below for the coordinates/population reference samples on the map template:
https://s18.postimg.org/te95dln3d/K15_V3_1.png

Abscisse will denote the X axis and Ordonnée will denote the y axis when you try to triangulate a median/middle approximation of your autosomal clustering in the map above.

Should look like this if done correct:
https://s11.postimg.org/us37pxo9v/K15_V3.jpg

You can use gimp/microsoft paint and or any other image editing software; simply use your mouse cursor as your guide.


The x and y axis( like the ordered pair setup in mathematics; "e.g. (X,Y)") option should look like this when moving around cursor on map when marking your own coordinates:

https://s18.postimg.org/vp000cknt/Untitledd.jpg

^As you can see above, the ordered pair of (X,Y) schema/setup on microsoft paint when hovering around with your mouse cursor is going to appear in the bottom right hand corner.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

can you do mine for me? i can't do it because i'm on chromebook :/

[de Burgh II]

can you do mine for me? i can't do it because i'm on chromebook :/

Sure! :p

Let me know about your coordinates and I can see what I can do! :p

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Sure! :p

Let me know about your coordinates and I can see what I can do! :p

North Sea: 32.76

Atlantic: 28.78

Baltic: 13.78

Eastern_Euro: 9.31

West_Med: 6.23

West_Asian: 8.01

Red_Sea: 0.13

Siberian: 0.12

Oceanian: 0.36

NorthEast_African: 0.51

I already entered it all in and got 305 Abscisse, 137 Ordonnee. So maybe just take the map and find it, you don't have to enter in all the numbers. I put them anyway though because maybe you still have to IDK.

[Turkminator]

http://i.hizliresim.com/R1BVXR.jpg

[de Burgh II]

North Sea: 32.76

Atlantic: 28.78

Baltic: 13.78

Eastern_Euro: 9.31

West_Med: 6.23

West_Asian: 8.01

Red_Sea: 0.13

Siberian: 0.12

Oceanian: 0.36

NorthEast_African: 0.51

I already entered it all in and got 305 Abscisse, 137 Ordonnee. So maybe just take the map and find it, you don't have to enter in all the numbers. I put them anyway though because maybe you still have to IDK.

Blue dot roughly correlates your autosomal placement as a Continental/North Sea Germanic in clustering. :p

https://s18.postimg.org/61v8ecyqx/ggg.jpg

[Pahli]

Mine is few pixel south of Kurdish, pretty accurate and not even worth pointing out.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

https://s26.postimg.org/cs9abdg7t/K15_V3_TA.png

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Blue dot roughly correlates your autosomal placement as a Continental/North Sea Germanic in clustering. :p

https://s18.postimg.org/61v8ecyqx/ggg.jpg

Seems like I am between North German and Danish. I like it.

TFW you realize you're essentially the epitome of Anglo-Saxon autosomally

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/05/dts-640x480.jpg

get rekt Frenchie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

thank you

[dustdragon5717]

406 X
193 Y

I am almost exactly on Austrian, interesting.

[Hadouken]

https://s18.postimg.org/isnsxny47/K15_V3.png

[Norka]

Can someone please do mine my computer crashed and I cant do it on my phone. Thank you big time.

Population
North_Sea 15.15
Atlantic 16.57
Baltic 25.92
Eastern_Euro 23.46
West_Med 3.09
West_Asian 5.47
East_Med 1.30
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.67
Siberian 6.91
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.66
Northeast_African 0.23
Sub-Saharan -

[dustdragon5717]

Can someone please do mine my computer crashed and I cant do it on my phone. Thank you big time.

Population
North_Sea 15.15
Atlantic 16.57
Baltic 25.92
Eastern_Euro 23.46
West_Med 3.09
West_Asian 5.47
East_Med 1.30
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.67
Siberian 6.91
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.66
Northeast_African 0.23
Sub-Saharan -

X = 611

Y = 122

You are inbetween Kargopol and Erzya

[War Chef]

kewl

http://i67.tinypic.com/10r22jq.png

[Potentia]

Here's mine. I don't even plot with Europeans! :thumb001:

https://i.gyazo.com/2d89b4a2f220b3a5c5ec1bed9e2919ab.png

[Malkoz]

Well, this is my first post on TA.I'm very interested in genetics of people so i like to start from this thread.

http://i68.tinypic.com/w0mc61.png

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 89.79
2 E_Eurasian 8.29
3 SSA 1.92

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurd_C @ 1.200571
2 Adygei @ 1.906341
3 Chechen @ 2.561394
4 Kurd_N @ 2.901384
5 Mordovian @ 3.145561
6 Finnish @ 3.312441
7 Iranian @ 3.557556
8 Russian @ 3.645219
9 Turkish @ 4.175265
10 Loschbour @ 5.005156
11 Balkar @ 5.103788
12 Abkhasian @ 5.227991
13 Georgian_Jew @ 5.431203
14 Estonian @ 5.925398
15 Iranian_Jew @ 6.500197
16 Belarusian @ 6.540119
17 Ukrainian @ 7.390949
18 Armenian @ 7.391595
19 Assyrian @ 7.416682
20 Georgian @ 7.452738

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Adygei +50% Kurd_C @ 0.285948
2 50% Georgian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 0.623450
3 50% Kurd_N +50% Turkish @ 0.643094
4 50% Iranian +50% Loschbour @ 0.725042
5 50% Iranian +50% Kurd_N @ 0.730437
6 50% Balkar +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.794629
7 50% Chechen +50% Iranian @ 0.798448
8 50% Balkar +50% Iranian_Jew @ 0.810318
9 50% Abkhasian +50% Iranian @ 0.891740
10 50% Chechen +50% Kurd_C @ 0.942543
11 50% Abkhasian +50% Turkish @ 1.007242
12 50% Brahui +50% Stuttgart @ 1.081806
13 50% Kurd_C +50% Mordovian @ 1.148144
14 50% Makrani +50% Stuttgart @ 1.165584
15 50% Estonian +50% Iranian @ 1.192086
16 50% Kurd_C +50% Kurd_C @ 1.200571
17 50% Kurd_N +50% Russian @ 1.215311
18 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 1.243609
19 50% Finnish +50% Kurd_C @ 1.254815
20 50% Finnish +50% Kurd_N @ 1.260209


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Abkhasian +25% Balochi +25% Iranian_Jew @ 0.000000

[Norka]

Here's mine. I don't even plot with Europeans! :thumb001:

https://i.gyazo.com/2d89b4a2f220b3a5c5ec1bed9e2919ab.png

You are as Eastern as me but South

[Tchek]

I fall right under the "r" of "French"

['owight Gavnah]

Wth my conprdinates are way off, how come? The x is something like 1400!

My mouse goes off the page lmao what am I doing wrong?

['owight Gavnah]

I just put 100% for east med and it's no where near the black dot that says east Med....what's going on?


Hold up you divide by 2!!!

[Hadouken]

Wth my conprdinates are way off, how come? The x is something like 1400!

My mouse goes off the page lmao what am I doing wrong?

pm me your results and I will do it for you

[Peterski]

I plot in that triangle between South Polish, Polish and Czech.

I have added Czech average (based on 15 different Czechs):

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png

['owight Gavnah]

pm me your results and I will do it for you

No need bro I did it, all I had to do was divide the co ordinates by 2.

The red dots are afghans including me

http://i63.tinypic.com/2u3vzpt.png

['owight Gavnah]

It's just a coincidence all those "Pashtun" samples more Western than average or the results are manipulated to plot like that. all the Pashtuns i've seen including Pakistani ones cluster very far from other West Asians in a direction to South Asia..

Think what you want I'm not going to prove to anyone these are real because they are. And Those "Pathan" samples were from the Pakistani side of the border, not afghans( Durrani or ghilzai).

Welcome back btw ( * south Asian troll)


Edit: actually since some Members are extremely gullible, I don't want them to think I'm "manipulating results"

Here is one of the individuals

North_Sea 0.53
Atlantic 7.07
Baltic 2.10
Eastern_Euro 16.64
West_Med -
West_Asian 29.24
East_Med 11.51
Red_Sea 0.87
South_Asian 28.19
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.28
Amerindian 1.58
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

See for yourself, if you still don't believe me I'll screenshot that page or better yet give his gedmatch ID. ( he's from Logar, eastern Afghanistan)

I inserted those numbers then divided they co ordinates by 2.

['owight Gavnah]

Most Pashtuns live in Pakistan, regardless how you call them they refer themselves to the same those living in Afghanistan and if they are more South Asian by a minuscule it won't make them any different, a lot Afghan Pashtun have as high South Asian as those living in Pakistan.

By no any means Afghans have anything to do with West Asians, no matter how hard they try to be us.

Right by "us" you mean lezgins lol, I didn't even know that ethnic group ever existed. On top of that, those Pathan samples were from a distinct tribe in Pakistani, the turi, there were defintley some pashtunised hindkowans. How can I prove that? Well for one they completely removed a lot of those samples, they were extreme outliers. In addition to that, I have 2 Pakistani Pashtuns gedmatch results, and they are pretty much identical to afghan Pashtuns. One was Mohmand and the othe was ormuri Pashtun. They cluster with afghan Pashtuns. And no where did I say I wanted to be "close to you ". Pathetic obvious sock account lol.

FYI the two pak Pashtuns were from FATA.

['owight Gavnah]

I knew a Pashtun guy in college. He also had a friend of Pakistani heritage and they spoke the same language and identified as the same because their identity is tribal and not national. There's no such thing as "Afghan" because no people there identify with a country made during Western Imperialism.

there's no difference between Afghan and Paki Pashtuns except they live in two different country made by political borders. It won't make them different becasue they're the same like a Bulgarian and a Romanian gipsy is the same regardless they live in different country.



Sure buddy whatever helps you sleep at night.( you just backed up my point lol.)

[Petalpusher]

Think what you want I'm not going to prove to anyone these are real because they are. And Those "Pathan" samples were from the Pakistani side of the border, not afghans( Durrani or ghilzai).

Welcome back btw ( * south Asian troll)


Edit: actually since some Members are extremely gullible, I don't want them to think I'm "manipulating results"

Here is one of the individuals

North_Sea 0.53
Atlantic 7.07
Baltic 2.10
Eastern_Euro 16.64
West_Med -
West_Asian 29.24
East_Med 11.51
Red_Sea 0.87
South_Asian 28.19
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.28
Amerindian 1.58
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

See for yourself, if you still don't believe me I'll screenshot that page or better yet give his gedmatch ID. ( he's from Logar, eastern Afghanistan)

I inserted those numbers then divided they co ordinates by 2.

Why are you dividing anything? There s no need for dividing and it lacks 1% of admixture (which can make a difference, depending on what that 1% is). With this admix above, it's under Turkmen so you must be doing something wrong on your map.

[Hadouken]

why has another thread turned about afghans again wtf

we already came to the conclusion that Afghans (Pashtun/Tajik) are not West Asians but they are not South Asians either . and they have big affinity with West Asia (but they form their own cluster with some neighboring peoples)

[Ylla]

Abscisse: 494
Ordonnée: 336

['owight Gavnah]

Why are you dividing anything? There s no need for dividing and it lacks 1% of admixture (which can make a difference, depending on what that 1% is). With this admix above, it's under Turkmen so you must be doing something wrong on your map.

The whole map was divided by 2, so for instance whatever 1200, 200 was it showed us 600, 100. I just realised it right now because I Re uploaded a different image

['owight Gavnah]

why has another thread turned about afghans again wtf

we already came to the conclusion that Afghans (Pashtun/Tajik) are not West Asians but they are not South Asians either . and they have big affinity with West Asia (but they form their own cluster with some neighboring peoples)

Thank you, btw do people actually buy this " Rustan" member? He's a new member and apprently so educated on this whole dilemma lmao. So obvious it's butthurt trolls.

['owight Gavnah]

Is someone going to do this with a more recent better calculator?

[Petalpusher]

The whole map was divided by 2, so for instance whatever 1200, 200 was it showed us 600, 100. I just realised it right now because I Re uploaded a different image

I still don't see why you would need to do that, it's straightforward with the pixels coordinates. Anyway this is where the result you posted is, lacking 1% at 99%. Then at 100% with the remaining +1% on "South-Asian" it's right on the Pashtun average, coincidence?

https://s11.postimg.org/pyy0u7n43/K15_V3_NEA3.jpg

['owight Gavnah]

I still don't see why you would need to do that, it's straightforward with the pixels coordinates. Anyway this is where the result you posted is, lacking 1% at 99%. Then at 100% with the remaining +1% on "South-Asian" it's right on the Pashtun average, coincidence?

https://s11.postimg.org/pyy0u7n43/K15_V3_NEA3.jpg

No you didn't understand, look at my previous posts in the beginning, I don't know why but the co ordinates on gimp were half halved for some reason, so when I got he co ordinates from the website I halved, the only problem was that the afghan Pashtun point was meant to be further west relative to the other points.

['owight Gavnah]

Tribalism and Caste effect, i remember how many arguements been made between High Caste Indians vs other Indians over who plots more Northerm or who is more "Aryan". It doesn't make sense anyway. :)

You just exposed yourself your a fake account posing as a lezgin ffs lol

[Ylla]

Abscisse: 494
Ordonnée: 336

http://i68.tinypic.com/312b5og.png

[frankhammer]

Abscisse: 285
Ordonnée: 146

http://i.imgur.com/TtjvIED.png

[DRUM]

http://i.imgur.com/HAbfVW3.png?1

[Voskos]

My result:

Abcisse:Oy
Ordonnee: Vey

[Pahli]

You are as Eastern as me but South

Troo Finno-Ugrian :laugh:

[de Burgh II]

Bump-a-doodledoo!

https://media.tenor.co/images/69799a1fc12308ec3fe27f3099751963/tenor.gif

[Damião de Góis]

Oracle gives me:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.13

The coordinates give me south Portugal, which is actually very accurate given my ancestry:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2wpt7jd.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

Is someone going to do this with a more recent better calculator?
There is no better calculator than Eurogenes K15. It is the best calculator on the market, and the only one that doesn't tell Englishmen they're Croats or Poles they're Swedes left and right.

It is the gold standard.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I plot in that triangle between South Polish, Polish and Czech.

I have added Czech average (based on 15 different Czechs):

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png
It would be nice to also have Welsh, Slovenian, Slovakian.

[MINARDOWICZ]

I am the R and the K is my wife
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=63491&d=1482675188

[Sikeliot]

someone else will need to plot me !!

Abscisse 395, Ordonnée 306

[Antimage]

Here's mine. I don't even plot with Europeans! :thumb001:

https://i.gyazo.com/2d89b4a2f220b3a5c5ec1bed9e2919ab.png

:lol00002:

Still far closer than to amerindians

[Nurzat]

between Lviv (West Ukrainian), Hungarian and South Polish. accurate for Rusyns/Hutsuls

[Sikeliot]

Someone plot me! Thanks :)

Also if someone could plot these five Sicilians. They are two of the most outlying I have, so we know everything else would be in between.

In a MENA direction:
Caltanissetta: #1: Abscisse 628, Ordonnée 451
Messina: #2: Abscisse 611, Ordonnée 454

In a Euro direction:
Ragusa: Abscisse 554, Ordonnée 415
Trapani: Abscisse 541, Ordonnée 432

Average:
Palermo1: Abscisse 591, Ordonnée 454

This one is somewhat Caucasus shifted:
Palermo2: Abscisse 590, Ordonnée 450


I'll give a rep comment for EACH person plotted.

[Sikeliot]

^^ someone please plot them
thanks!

[Mat123]

^^ someone please plot them
thanks!

http://i.imgur.com/rQ6e4Td.png

[Sikeliot]

http://i.imgur.com/rQ6e4Td.png

As I expected. The person from Trapani is shifted slightly northwest (toward Tuscany), the person from Ragusa northeast (toward Greece), and the other results are headed toward West Asia and Jews.

[Sikeliot]

Could someone plot these Greeks?

Same deal, will give rep comments.

Crete: 648, 439
Kalymnos: 657, 454
Rhodes: 665, 456
Tilos: 590, 408
Cyclades1: 628, 384
Cyclades2: 598, 414
Chios1: 642, 442
Chios2: 615, 410
Ikaria: 605, 423
Lakonia: 576, 352
Epirus: 553, 349
Peloponnese: 571, 361
Karpenisi: 567, 367

[Voskos]

Could someone plot these Greeks?

Same deal, will give rep comments.

Crete: 648, 439
Kalymnos: 657, 454
Rhodes: 665, 456
Tilos: 590, 408
Cyclades1: 628, 384
Cyclades2: 598, 414
Chios1: 642, 442
Chios2: 615, 410
Ikaria: 605, 423
Lakonia: 576, 352
Epirus: 553, 349
Peloponnese: 571, 361
Karpenisi: 567, 367


https://postimg.org/image/3mdiv1ob3/

[Sikeliot]

https://s27.postimg.org/3mdiv1ob7/r_Q6e4_Td.png
https://postimg.org/image/3mdiv1ob3/

So really the Aegean islands vary from being near Ashkenazis and one end of the Sicilian cluster, to being north of Sicilians and drifting toward the mainland.

[Voskos]

I would add that the main observation concerning the mainland is Epirus, Peloponnese and Thessaly all clustering together more or less.

[Sikeliot]

I would add that the main observation concerning the mainland is Epirus, Peloponnese and Thessaly all clustering together more or less.

Here are just a few more. Could you do them too? Maybe make them all one color that is different but specify with the first 3 letters of the region.

Messina: 610, 466
Catania: 593, 450
Syracuse: 560, 429
Trapani: 565, 435
Agrigento: 591, 478
Palermo: 590, 455
Caltanissetta: 572, 464

IMO Trapani and SE Sicily will be again northern shifting, and this time Messina, Catania, and Agrigento will be near the more outlying subset of Aegean islanders.

[Voskos]

Here are just a few more. Could you do them too? Maybe make them all one color that is different but specify with the first 3 letters of the region.

Messina: 610, 466
Catania: 593, 450
Syracuse: 560, 429
Trapani: 565, 435
Agrigento: 591, 478
Palermo: 590, 455
Caltanissetta: 572, 464

IMO Trapani and SE Sicily will be again northern shifting, and this time Messina, Catania, and Agrigento will be near the more outlying subset of Aegean islanders.
https://postimg.org/image/7uzs9cy1f/

[Sikeliot]

https://postimg.org/image/7uzs9cy1f/

Ok now we see western Sicily (Agrigento, Caltanissetta) pulling somewhat in a North African direction, moving south out of Europe. Southeast Sicily and Trapani are northward shifted again. All in all though, you could make a big cluster out of the islands.

What is interesting is I always thought the North Aegean islanders looked lighter/more Balkan than Cretans but people said the opposite. Now I am glad to know genetics backs up that view.

[Sikeliot]

If you want to try a few more Greek islanders and TWO more Sicilian (Agrigento and Palermo), and then I'll be done:

Chios: 625, 451
Chios: 649, 447
Chios, Samos: 569, 402
Euboea: 524, 355
Crete, Amorgos: 610, 410
Kalymnos: 648, 425
Crete: 647, 467

And two more Sicilian from Agrigento: (547, 451) AND one from Palermo: (564, 461)

[Voskos]

If you want to try a few more Greek islanders and TWO more Sicilian (Agrigento and Palermo), and then I'll be done:

Chios: 625, 451
Chios: 649, 447
Chios, Samos: 569, 402
Euboea: 524, 355
Crete, Amorgos: 610, 410
Kalymnos: 648, 425
Crete: 647, 467

And two more Sicilian from Agrigento: (547, 451) AND one from Palermo: (564, 461)

https://postimg.org/image/phd41ghsz/

[Paunovic]

63497

[Sikeliot]

https://postimg.org/image/phd41ghsz/

IMO Sicilians are looking like a slightly western and North African version of the southernmost plotting Aegean islanders (with the North African shift being more in western Sicily) while other Aegean islanders clearly shift north of Sicily toward the Greek mainland.

[de Burgh II]

http://i.imgur.com/iRe9rsu.gif

[Lucas]

It's inline with this genolocalization map http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?201405-Post-k36-geographical-proximity-map&p=4238436&viewfull=1#post4238436

https://s1.postimg.org/s1pxkgcfz/K15_V4.jpg

[Lek]

@Petalpusher

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 19.07
2 East_Med 18.16
3 West_Med 17.25
4 Atlantic 14.7
5 Baltic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.81
8 Red_Sea 2.54
9 South_Asian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Southeast_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.77
2 Romanian 8.44
3 Bulgarian 8.64
4 Tuscan 8.76
5 Serbian 9.91
6 North_Italian 10.15
7 Greek 10.17
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.52
9 Central_Greek 12.81
10 West_Sicilian 13.09
11 Ashkenazi 13.43
12 East_Sicilian 13.47
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.27
14 Portuguese 15.49
15 South_Italian 15.94
16 Moldavian 15.99
17 Hungarian 16.38
18 Spanish_Extremadura 16.42
19 French 16.6
20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Southwest_English @ 1.85
2 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% West_German @ 1.9
3 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% South_Dutch @ 2.08
4 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% French @ 2.1
5 79.6% Greek_Thessaly + 20.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
6 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% Orcadian @ 2.13
7 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% West_Scottish @ 2.3
8 82% Greek_Thessaly + 18% West_Norwegian @ 2.33
9 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% North_Dutch @ 2.35
10 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% Danish @ 2.37
11 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% Irish @ 2.42
12 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 2.42
13 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% North_German @ 2.74
14 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 2.8
15 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% North_Swedish @ 3.11
16 76.4% Greek_Thessaly + 23.6% East_German @ 3.34
17 72.1% Greek_Thessaly + 27.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.59
18 65.9% Greek + 34.1% West_German @ 3.62
19 74.3% Greek_Thessaly + 25.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.73
20 73.1% Greek_Thessaly + 26.9% Portuguese @ 3.89

[Kriptc06]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64061&d=1486926908

:cry2:cry2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqvh0NSBkB4

[Petalpusher]

@Petalpusher

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 19.07
2 East_Med 18.16
3 West_Med 17.25
4 Atlantic 14.7
5 Baltic 10.61
6 West_Asian 9.95
7 Eastern_Euro 6.81
8 Red_Sea 2.54
9 South_Asian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Southeast_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.77
2 Romanian 8.44
3 Bulgarian 8.64
4 Tuscan 8.76
5 Serbian 9.91
6 North_Italian 10.15
7 Greek 10.17
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.52
9 Central_Greek 12.81
10 West_Sicilian 13.09
11 Ashkenazi 13.43
12 East_Sicilian 13.47
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.27
14 Portuguese 15.49
15 South_Italian 15.94
16 Moldavian 15.99
17 Hungarian 16.38
18 Spanish_Extremadura 16.42
19 French 16.6
20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.8% Greek_Thessaly + 21.2% Southwest_English @ 1.85
2 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% West_German @ 1.9
3 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% South_Dutch @ 2.08
4 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% French @ 2.1
5 79.6% Greek_Thessaly + 20.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
6 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% Orcadian @ 2.13
7 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% West_Scottish @ 2.3
8 82% Greek_Thessaly + 18% West_Norwegian @ 2.33
9 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% North_Dutch @ 2.35
10 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% Danish @ 2.37
11 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% Irish @ 2.42
12 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 2.42
13 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% North_German @ 2.74
14 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 2.8
15 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% North_Swedish @ 3.11
16 76.4% Greek_Thessaly + 23.6% East_German @ 3.34
17 72.1% Greek_Thessaly + 27.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.59
18 65.9% Greek + 34.1% West_German @ 3.62
19 74.3% Greek_Thessaly + 25.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.73
20 73.1% Greek_Thessaly + 26.9% Portuguese @ 3.89


There you go, reminds me of Fustan results ;)


https://s16.postimg.org/7o04ng5mr/K15_VIce_T.jpg

Mixmode has low values, so it's great to see that it matches very well on the pca. Thessaly + 20-25% something of West/NW.

[Lek]

There you go, reminds me of Fustan results ;)


https://s16.postimg.org/7o04ng5mr/K15_VIce_T.jpg

Mixmode has low values, so it's great to see that it matches very well on the pca. Thessaly + 20-25% something of West/NW.

Thanks a lot! :)

Yeah. We are closely related me and him. Am I very northern plotting for an Albanian?

Now I wanna compare myself to that Dalmatian bronze age sample and see how close I plot to it. I believe Skerdilaid has the map on his forum. Brb.

[Lek]

There you go, reminds me of Fustan results ;)


https://s16.postimg.org/7o04ng5mr/K15_VIce_T.jpg

Mixmode has low values, so it's great to see that it matches very well on the pca. Thessaly + 20-25% something of West/NW.

Here is the map of the Ilyrian from Dalmatia, Jaz1:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2n9xiz8.jpg

[Petalpusher]

Thanks a lot! :)

Yeah. We are closely related me and him. Am I very northern plotting for an Albanian?


Not surprising you have close results, off the top of my head he is slightly west or northwhest of you. A Gheg thing i bet ;)

[noricum]

64074

Right inbetween Austria and East Germany

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's mine. Many thanks to Petalpusher. You're such a treasure. :hug:

https://s16.postimg.org/5q4ebew43/K15_V4_Grace.jpg

[Lek]

Not surprising you have close results, off the top of my head he is slightly west or northwhest of you. A Gheg thing i bet ;)

Yeah, he is.

Duhan = Fustan

Money = me

Leki = Skerdilaid

http://oi63.tinypic.com/289zseh.jpg

[Lek]

That Limaj is a Tosk I believe. Fustans gedmatch there is with ftdna, with 23andme hes slightly less western. Mibe is also ftdna

[Sizzo]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2n9i39t.png

[Enflamme]

https://s14.postimg.org/gnjz19s81/K15_V4enflamme.jpg

Catalan forever :rolleyes:

[Rius]

http://i.hizliresim.com/vbon2z.png (http://hizliresim.com/vbon2z)

[XenophobicPrussian]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2n9i39t.png
Interesting how you're so much more northern than the same people from your city(that N. Italian sample is from Bergamo).

I would've thought you were from Aosta Valley or something(they're inbetween French and N. Italian).

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Red dot.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/33bd9ir.jpg

[Jana]

Austro-Hungarian :P
http://oi64.tinypic.com/24vpnp0.jpg

[de Burgh II]

*UPDATE*

It seems like they had more samples to the map:
https://s7.postimg.org/h9oyre5uz/K15_V4_1.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s21.postimg.org/vlo02eb93/K15_V4.png

[Dibran]

My LivingDNA result. This time I shift towards thessaly a bit more like my father, as opposed to being right next to Tuscan with my 23 results:

65711

[greasycaveman]

pm me your results and I will do it for you

Im pm'ing mine to you

[alnortedelsur]

Here is mine:

North_Sea 14.42
Atlantic 26.47
Baltic 4.32
Eastern_Euro 4.28
West_Med 16.24
West_Asian 4.26
East_Med 13.39
Red_Sea 3.12
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian 6.25
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.45
Sub-Saharan 5.39

Coordinates:

X-Axis = 400
Y-Axis = 377

https://i.imgur.com/I71fon4.png

[de Burgh II]

Bump... :3

http://i.imgur.com/97juRl7.gif

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15V4.png

[Kelmendasi]

Black is Ftdna and Red is 23andme:
https://s8.postimg.org/ya7hglfxh/23andme_and_ftdna.png


https://s8.postimg.org/rwiedd5wl/23andme_and_ftdna.png

[MysteriousWays]

Eurogenes in general is not the best fit for me, but....
https://s5.postimg.org/gfkpysqx1/image.png

[de Burgh II]

Still have a southern pull on my ancestry that is still within the Northwestern quadrant:

https://s17.postimg.org/54a3fs33j/K15_V4.jpg

[Gangrel]

Cross where I hit

23andme kit

https://i.imgur.com/43aVLd3.png

[MsSPF]

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/155830K15V4.png

A little bit isolated :(

[Arduti]

https://i.imgur.com/qdWpqJf.png

Even though the distances are pretty high for this calculator, it seems that way for everyone.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 5.31
2 North_German 5.73
3 Danish 5.8
4 Norwegian 5.8
5 West_German 6.49
6 Swedish 6.53
7 West_Norwegian 7.26
8 Southwest_English 7.35
9 Southeast_English 7.46
10 Orcadian 7.85
11 West_Scottish 7.87
12 Irish 7.91
13 South_Dutch 8.05
14 North_Swedish 8.66
15 East_German 10.41
16 French 12.38
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.73
18 Hungarian 14.49
19 Austrian 15.42
20 Finnish 16.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% Norwegian + 8.2% Abhkasian @ 2.75
2 90.6% Norwegian + 9.4% Ossetian @ 2.77
3 91.4% Norwegian + 8.6% Georgian @ 2.77
4 90.3% Norwegian + 9.7% Balkar @ 2.83
5 90.5% Norwegian + 9.5% Adygei @ 2.86
6 90.7% Norwegian + 9.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.88
7 90.2% Norwegian + 9.8% Kabardin @ 2.91
8 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% Chechen @ 2.96
9 90% Norwegian + 10% Kumyk @ 3.13
10 90.8% North_Dutch + 9.2% Tabassaran @ 3.19
11 87.8% West_Norwegian + 12.2% Balkar @ 3.22
12 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% Lezgin @ 3.23
13 87.7% West_Norwegian + 12.3% Kabardin @ 3.26
14 91.4% North_Dutch + 8.6% Lezgin @ 3.3
15 88.2% West_Norwegian + 11.8% Adygei @ 3.31
16 89.9% Norwegian + 10.1% Tabassaran @ 3.37
17 91.7% North_Dutch + 8.3% Chechen @ 3.39
18 88.5% West_Norwegian + 11.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.42
19 87.6% West_Norwegian + 12.4% Chechen @ 3.45
20 88.5% West_Norwegian + 11.5% Ossetian @ 3.45


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% West_German @ 4.677911


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Orcadian +25% Serbian @ 4.408473


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Moldavian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 3.545314
2 Moldavian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.831791
3 Moldavian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.858735
4 Moldavian + North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 3.955024
5 East_German + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.973000
6 Orcadian + Serbian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.012218
7 Orcadian + Romanian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.058683
8 Moldavian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 4.078146
9 Moldavian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 4.079465
10 East_German + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.106151

[StonyArabia]

I have no idea where I am

https://s18.postimg.org/3p6ycn29l/K15_V4_1.png (https://postimg.org/image/t7zapnlth/)

[StonyArabia]

I am 940 X-axis and 611 Y-axis I think between Semitic and Caucasian populations it seems somwhere around there, if someone can show me where I cluster that would be nice.

[frankhammer]

I am 940 X-axis and 611 Y-axis I think between Semitic and Caucasian populations it seems somwhere around there, if someone can show me where I cluster that would be nice.

Just use paint. Save the map to desktop, open in paint. The co-ordinates are the numbers that scroll in the bottom left corner.

[Arduti]

Deleted post.

[MsSPF]

I am 940 X-axis and 611 Y-axis I think between Semitic and Caucasian populations it seems somwhere around there, if someone can show me where I cluster that would be nice.

Near Kurdish Jewish :)

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/635191Nab.png

[StonyArabia]

Near Kurdish Jewish :)

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/635191Nab.png

Thanks for your help. It seems I cluster with the Kurdish Jews, but I wonder if they are different from Kurdish Muslims.

[Kamal900]

Me and my cousin's results:
https://image.ibb.co/hwkyQw/K15V4.png

Lol, I cluster the closest to Syrians here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWX5coH0pU

While my cousin cluster the closest to Palestinians and Samaritan Jews, but we're not far apart genetically from one another though.

[StonyArabia]

Me and my cousin's results:
https://image.ibb.co/hwkyQw/K15V4.png

Lol, I cluster the closest to Syrians here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWX5coH0pU

While my cousin cluster the closest to Palestinians and Samaritan Jews, but we're not far apart genetically from one another though.

Your genetic results seem to fit in the landscape of Palestine than most "Israelis". Well my Caucasian and Bedouin admixture has put me near Kurdish Jews. They seem to differ from Muslim Kurds.

[MysteriousWays]

Thanks for your help. It seems I cluster with the Kurdish Jews, but I wonder if they are different from Kurdish Muslims.

Genetically, yes. Decent bit actually.

[Böri]

This is where I am.

https://i.hizliresim.com/XE1A5R.jpg

It would be good to question who they used as Turkish samples considering the Turkish sample is very far off from Turkic Caucasians, Nogays and Turkmens.
Compared to the Turkish even the Abkhasian sample closer to Turkmen or Nogay, which is interesting.

[Vid Flumina]

https://s8.postimg.org/n8sry9set/egk15pca.png

[de Burgh II]

:peep:

[Kelmendasi]

https://s2.postimg.org/g5g4vyq21/plot.png

[Bosniensis]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/a0b23d581a3d9d06fe2f5393f9366ff8.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Tschaikisten]

https://i.imgur.com/bgOaii5.jpg

[TEUTORIGOS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/me_zpsqtdovtwj.jpg

More angle than Saxon apparently putting the angle back in Anglo/ Angle-Saxon.

[Blanka]

https://s26.postimg.org/g9c00rkc9/k15.png (https://postimages.org/)

Well.

[SvartVarg]

https://i.imgur.com/Resoz1r.png

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/80NOszj.png

[bullocks]

https://i.imgur.com/vKKsjhm.jpg

[Leto]

https://preview.ibb.co/douqrm/K15.jpg (https://ibb.co/eTCMxR)

[bullocks]

Does this mean you're genetically similar to people of that region or is there more to it?

[Leto]

Does this mean you're genetically similar to people of that region or is there more to it?
I think that means you are closer to that reference population. The problem is that their references may not always be representative.

[Tschaikisten]

https://i.imgur.com/80NOszj.png

Mine :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/bXqDWwV.jpg

[Jackson78]

https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg

[Mingle]

https://i.imgur.com/wZufbBl.png?1

[FilhoV]

https://imgur.com/a/0U1gp

[MercifulServant]

Mine is very slightly northeast of the Serbian sample

[Bobby Martnen]

I plot in that triangle between South Polish, Polish and Czech.

I have added Czech average (based on 15 different Czechs):

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png

http://i.imgur.com/ANILbO7.png

It would be nice to also have Welsh, Slovenian, Slovakian.

And Albanian and Bosnian

Pennsylvania Dutch would also be nice, but I know it's hard to find pure samples nowadays

[Kouros]

https://i.imgur.com/VCxmzuV.png

[MercifulServant]

https://i.imgur.com/RtwOPG7.png

COORDINATES: 483 (X AXIS), 234 (Y AXIS). Plots me very slightly Northeast of the Serbian sample

[MercifulServant]

...

Weird, you are closest to E Finnish on this

[Leto]

Weird, you are closest to E Finnish on this
Yeah, but my father being that close to the Finnish reference (I guess that's E. and W. Finnish combined) is even more weird.

[waam]

Cool I was wondering if there was a tool to see where you plot on a map
https://i.imgur.com/A5dfPuG.png

[Leto]

Cool I was wondering if there was a tool to see where you plot on a map

What do you look like? Maybe you told in the other thread, I don't remember.

[waam]

What do you look like? Maybe you told in the other thread, I don't remember.

I said I might start a classification thread but not anything more than that. To be honest I think I look stereotypically Jewish. I have light skin and if I had to classify myself I'd probably say Armenoid with Arabid tendencies (especially nose area), but I'm by no means professional.

[Thambi]

https://imgur.com/qDlEToa.jpg

[Sp_loa]

I can't do it :( ... I don't have painter on my computed, I don't have a windows based laptop.

[waam]

I can't do it :( ... I don't have painter on my computed, I don't have a windows based laptop.

I can do it for you give me your coordinates

[Sp_loa]

I can do it for you give me your coordinates

No it’s ok I got it.

[waam]

No it’s ok I got it.

Sure thing

[Sp_loa]

Sure thing

Thanks anyway. Your results are very cool. Plotting near sameritans, is like being a pre-diaspora Jew.

[ovidiu]

https://i.imgur.com/DKRU1fW.png?1

[Jägerstaffel]

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag83/Jagerstaffel/Capture_zpsdg8b5wrl.png~original

Weird placement for me.

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/DKRU1fW.png?1

what is your background? you seem to plot closer to albanians on this

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214845-Gheg-and-Tosk-K15-clusters

[Petalpusher]

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag83/Jagerstaffel/Capture_zpsdg8b5wrl.png~original

Weird placement for me.

The Belgian sample doesn't exist in K15, i don't know who added it and based on what like many other samples that don't exist in the dataset. The Belgian point is actually the South Dutch samples of the calculator (see original pca map in the op), it's very typical of Americans like CEU (Colonial Europeans from Utah) to cluster around S.Dutch on average, so nothing really weird, and even you are more on the Anglo side of the CEU cluster i believe, bit more NW, almost halfway with UK.

[ovidiu]

what is your background? you seem to plot closer to albanians on this

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214845-Gheg-and-Tosk-K15-clusters

Ah, interesting. Well I'm at least 3/4 Romanian (mainly from the southwest/Oltenia which probably pulls the closest to Albania and that out of any region in the country anyway), and added to that I'm probably around 1/8 Aromanian and north Greek each, which pulls me a bit southwest of the average.

The thing is, pretty much every autosomal map I've seen has Romanians scattered over a very wide area, with some as far south as almost Greece and Albania, and others as far north as near Hungary and Moldova (though there's often a gap between the main Romanian and Moldovan clusters), and a few random ones pulled rather far west in the general direction of Tuscany/N. Italy even somehow. But overall most are closeset to Bulgarians followed by Serbs, and Macedonians.

[AtlantoMediterranean]

I wonder if the trends (WestMed, Atlantic, North Sea, ...) were arbitrarily placed on the map ...
Because the closest shared population with oracle / oracle4 is Spanish Galicia while on the map it is Sicilian.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Table

Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.43
2 West_Med 17.62
3 Atlantic 17.47
4 East_Med 15.78
5 Red_Sea 9.58
6 Sub-Saharan 7.08
7 Northeast_African 5.23
8 Eastern_Euro 3.71


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 14.65
2 Portuguese 14.85
3 Spanish_Extremadura 15.2
4 North_Italian 15.97
5 Spanish_Murcia 16.29
6 Tuscan 16.54
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.03
8 Spanish_Cataluna 17.85
9 French 18.82
10 Spanish_Andalucia 18.96
11 West_Sicilian 18.97
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 19.4
13 Spanish_Valencia 19.6
14 Spanish_Cantabria 19.96
15 Greek_Thessaly 20.33
16 Italian_Abruzzo 20.39
17 Ashkenazi 21.04
18 Algerian 21.13
19 Spanish_Aragon 21.19
20 East_Sicilian 21.23

Oracle 4
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.516834
2 Portuguese @ 15.740553
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.258934
4 North_Italian @ 16.502321
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.444559
6 Tuscan @ 17.493948
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.508312
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.138771
9 French @ 20.262537
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 20.640858
11 West_Sicilian @ 21.084824
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 21.222713
13 Spanish_Valencia @ 21.307306
14 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.900888
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.142914
16 Italian_Abruzzo @ 22.438175
17 Serbian @ 23.138306
18 Spanish_Aragon @ 23.256512
19 Ashkenazi @ 23.579531
20 East_Sicilian @ 23.806423

Map

https://zupimages.net/up/18/16/89nt.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/16/89nt.png)

https://zupimages.net/up/18/16/e3zx.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/16/e3zx.png)

[Leto]

I wonder if the trends (WestMed, Atlantic, North Sea, ...) were arbitrarily placed on the map ...
Because the closest shared population with oracle / oracle4 is Spanish Galicia while on the map it is Sicilian.

You're right between the Maghreb and SW Europe.

[de Burgh II]

I don't get it!
On the PCA it seems that I am closer to the Romanian and Bulgarian sample, however on the oracle I am actually closer to Greek_Thessaly!
Is it something wrong with this PCA?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.57
2 North_Sea 16.02
3 West_Med 14.97
4 Atlantic 12.49
5 Baltic 11.53
6 Eastern_Euro 10.24
7 West_Asian 9.48
8 Red_Sea 4.33
9 Amerindian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.94
2 Bulgarian 7.56
3 Romanian 8.1
4 Greek 8.52
5 Serbian 9.98
6 Ashkenazi 10.9
7 Tuscan 11.08
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.44
9 Central_Greek 11.71
10 East_Sicilian 12.46
11 West_Sicilian 12.78
12 North_Italian 13.95
13 South_Italian 15.2
14 Moldavian 15.49
15 Hungarian 17.24
16 Austrian 17.73
17 Croatian 17.77
18 Italian_Jewish 18.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.31
20 Sephardic_Jewish 19.35

https://s18.postimg.org/b5j6nqopl/DKRU1f_W-1.png (https://postimages.org/)

Its probably the design layout, differing reference samples and mathematical approximations that slightly alters one's autosomal estimate and where you roughly correspond in each software.

My guess is probably because each author designed each software differently. Hence, there is a subtle, yet, noticeable discrepancy in each individual's respective result(s) on both the PCA and Oracles.

[Petalpusher]

I wonder if the trends (WestMed, Atlantic, North Sea, ...) were arbitrarily placed on the map ...
Because the closest shared population with oracle / oracle4 is Spanish Galicia while on the map it is Sicilian.


You have to look at the "distances", you match Galicia first but @15 which is a terrible match. If you had it @2 ok but in this case you need to look at better matches with multipop or mixmode, you ll see the ones with the closest distances will better represent your point, if a fit was @0 it would be exactly your point, but it's never the case (or very rarely).

Same answer for *****. Even 6 is not that great of a match and fitting will almost always better it. Just see those numbers as a precision.

[Ibericus]

I wonder if the trends (WestMed, Atlantic, North Sea, ...) were arbitrarily placed on the map ...
Because the closest shared population with oracle / oracle4 is Spanish Galicia while on the map it is Sicilian.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Table

Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.43
2 West_Med 17.62
3 Atlantic 17.47
4 East_Med 15.78
5 Red_Sea 9.58
6 Sub-Saharan 7.08
7 Northeast_African 5.23
8 Eastern_Euro 3.71


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 14.65
2 Portuguese 14.85
3 Spanish_Extremadura 15.2
4 North_Italian 15.97
5 Spanish_Murcia 16.29
6 Tuscan 16.54
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.03
8 Spanish_Cataluna 17.85
9 French 18.82
10 Spanish_Andalucia 18.96
11 West_Sicilian 18.97
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 19.4
13 Spanish_Valencia 19.6
14 Spanish_Cantabria 19.96
15 Greek_Thessaly 20.33
16 Italian_Abruzzo 20.39
17 Ashkenazi 21.04
18 Algerian 21.13
19 Spanish_Aragon 21.19
20 East_Sicilian 21.23

Oracle 4
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.516834
2 Portuguese @ 15.740553
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.258934
4 North_Italian @ 16.502321
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 17.444559
6 Tuscan @ 17.493948
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.508312
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.138771
9 French @ 20.262537
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 20.640858
11 West_Sicilian @ 21.084824
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 21.222713
13 Spanish_Valencia @ 21.307306
14 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.900888
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.142914
16 Italian_Abruzzo @ 22.438175
17 Serbian @ 23.138306
18 Spanish_Aragon @ 23.256512
19 Ashkenazi @ 23.579531
20 East_Sicilian @ 23.806423

Map

https://zupimages.net/up/18/16/89nt.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/16/89nt.png)

https://zupimages.net/up/18/16/e3zx.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/16/e3zx.png)
you have to take in account the distances, a distance of 15 is very high, which means you are not at all close to them.

[AtlantoMediterranean]

you have to take in account the distances, a distance of 15 is very high, which means you are not at all close to them.

I misspoke.
I understood what distance means and that a long distance in single mode often means a mixture and that a long distance in mixed population can reveal a lack of reference population.
(In my case in single mode I always had distances of 8 to 18 points according to the calculator, with often very different populations in first place, including Sicilian, Spanish, Albanian ...). In short, I know very well that a long distance does not reflect reality, that's not my question.

What I do not understand is the alleged correlation between the data from Eurogenes K15 and the PCA, because logically the distances with the populations calculated by oracle should be found visually on the PCA, except it is not entirely accurate. So my questioning is only technical.

I will illustrate it with another example :

https://zupimages.net/up/18/16/16w2.png (http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=18/16/16w2.png)

[Percivalle]

What I do not understand is the alleged correlation between the data from Eurogenes K15 and the PCA, because logically the distances with the populations calculated by oracle should be found visually on the PCA, except it is not entirely accurate. So my questioning is only technical

That's not really a PCA.

[AtlantoMediterranean]

That's not really a PCA.

I do not know in any case the tool seems inaccurate in the results he wants to give.

[Weiss]

https://i.imgur.com/37iD7mB.png

[Leto]

@Weiss, you are outside the Eastern European cluster, however your placement may be a little bit different if you test at another company.

[Weiss]

@Weiss, you are outside the Eastern European cluster, however your placement may be a little bit different if you test at another company.

What do you mean i'm outside? I'm right next to erzya
check here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241954-My-K36-mapping&p=5092048#post5092048

[Leto]

What do you mean i'm outside? I'm right next to erzya
check here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241954-My-K36-mapping&p=5092048#post5092048
You are to the southeast of Erzya.

[Weiss]

You are to the southeast of Erzya.

Then i'm asian, i don't even want to argue xd

[Leto]

Then i'm asian, i don't even want to argue xd
Lol. Is this your sock puppet? The 23andme results are literally the same
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?235802-l1a1

[Weiss]

Lol. Is this your sock puppet? The 23andme results are literally the same
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?235802-l1a1

yes

[Leto]

yes
There are your Dodecad results in that thread

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 55.02
2 Atlantic_Med 15.71
3 Caucasus 12.9
4 Siberian 7.76
5 Gedrosia 6.19
6 South_Asian 1.1
7 Southwest_Asian 1.08
8 East_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 9.74
2 Russian (HGDP) 11.36
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 11.84
4 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.99
5 Russian (Dodecad) 12.55
6 Polish (Dodecad) 13.28
7 Russian_B (Behar) 13.45
8 Hungarians (Behar) 14.88
9 Belorussian (Behar) 15.36
10 Chuvashs (Behar) 16.54

You seem to be around 8% mongoloid. What are your Eurogenes K13 results? You can post them here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K-13/page102

[Weiss]

There are your Dodecad results in that thread

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 55.02
2 Atlantic_Med 15.71
3 Caucasus 12.9
4 Siberian 7.76
5 Gedrosia 6.19
6 South_Asian 1.1
7 Southwest_Asian 1.08
8 East_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 9.74
2 Russian (HGDP) 11.36
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 11.84
4 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.99
5 Russian (Dodecad) 12.55
6 Polish (Dodecad) 13.28
7 Russian_B (Behar) 13.45
8 Hungarians (Behar) 14.88
9 Belorussian (Behar) 15.36
10 Chuvashs (Behar) 16.54

You seem to be around 8% mongoloid. What are your Eurogenes K13 results? You can post them here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K-13/page102

They're already posted in the other account i belive, you can check them if you want

[Fieraru]

I think I figured it out..

I guess it makes sense maybe. I was not aware this is how the population clusters of Europe looked like.. A bit surprising, but interesting too. Seems neighbor populations are close together usually, with some exceptions

75048

[de Burgh II]

Seems quite right; AncestryDNA looks similar to 23andme near the Brittany average.

https://s31.postimg.cc/d1h09tn5n/K15_V4.jpg

[alnortedelsur]

My Spanish mom:

North_Sea 12.76
Atlantic 32.75
Baltic 5.10
Eastern_Euro 4.54
West_Med 19.89
West_Asian 1.85
East_Med 18.23
Red_Sea 1.95
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 2.12
Sub-Saharan 0.83

X Axis = 323
Y Axis = 326

https://i.imgur.com/fDN892O.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Seems that the server where I had previously hosted my images went down and I lost mine so I am uploading it again.


https://s7.postimg.cc/9p988a54r/Inked_K15_V4_1_LI.jpg


Red dot.

[Bunalim]

https://i.imgur.com/xYJyv9v.png

[Ritz06]

https://i.imgur.com/WhyDYNJ.png?2

[PoliAussie]

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

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Side note: can someone please explain to me how to insert the image inline and not just as a link?

[Tong]

so how do you do this?

[Tong]

btw the site is down

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s31.postimg.cc/kty7iy7zv/K15_V4.png


Mrs. Viriato.

[Teutonski]

https://i.imgur.com/rUNfUvS.png

[TheMaestro]

Total composants:
100.00999999999999


Abscisse (x-axis):
488
pixel

Ordonnée (y-axis):
248
pixel

Idk how to get results :P

[Teutonski]

Total composants:
100.00999999999999


Abscisse (x-axis):
488
pixel

Ordonnée (y-axis):
248
pixel

Idk how to get results :P

Save the picture, edit it with Paint and check the bottom left for the pixel position of your mouse.

[TheMaestro]

Save the picture, edit it with Paint and check the bottom left for the pixel position of your mouse.
Thanks

[TheMaestro]

Eurogenes is tho not most accurate for me :)

https://i.imgur.com/1resNh7.png

[Bosniensis]

Alternative K15 map

Don't know how to do it unfortunately don't ask me how :P

https://i.imgur.com/jbKCjhn.png

[Dick]

Eurogenes is tho not most accurate for me :)

https://i.imgur.com/1resNh7.png

I'm pretty sure the Serbian sample is Montenegrin or mixed.

[Freeroostah]

Eurogenes is tho not most accurate for me :)

https://i.imgur.com/1resNh7.png

Its not accurate in general haha
Try MDLP K23b calculator :thumb001:

[TheMaestro]

Its not accurate in general haha
Try MDLP K23b calculator :thumb001:

Yeah I know MDLP is the most accurate for me.

[TheMaestro]

I'm pretty sure the Serbian sample is Montenegrin or mixed.

Huh can't say but on most calculators that are working good on my samples I score Montenegro, Bosnia, Serbia or Croatia as the closest match. On eurogenes it score highest on eastern balkans for some reason.

[Kouros]

https://i.imgur.com/xYJyv9v.png

Your co-ordinates are the exact same as mine

[Bunalim]

Your co-ordinates are the exact same as mine

That's odd, haha. I guess halfway between England and halfway between Turkey = Greek

[Gwydion]

Mine...seems like West Scottish tending a bit toward West Norwegian. I suppose fairly accurate being that my father is Scottish-English and mother is Irish-German.

https://i.imgur.com/QArvk61.png

[Kouros]

That's odd, haha. I guess halfway between England and halfway between Turkey = Greek

Not exactly, I have a west asian shift relative to most Greeks (or at least the average Greek). In MDLP I get something like 42% Georgian_Jew + 58% Orcadian as my 1st oracle which is still almost exactly the same as you but with slightly more European admixture :)

[DarkWater]

75857

[Alstrohma]

If I post mine, can someone do them? Having issues with my computer.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Hmmm, I dunno , I would expect to cluster with Ulster Ireland or Scotland but its is more of an Angle-Danish/English kind of result but lowland Scotland does have Anglian/Danish connections :

http://rsmg.pbsrc.com/albums/v336/naudiz/me_zpsqtdovtwj.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473
6 Irish @ 5.014568
7 Orcadian @ 5.134441
8 North_German @ 6.141170
9 Norwegian @ 7.694504
10 South_Dutch @ 8.158228
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.668773
12 West_German @ 9.131309
13 Swedish @ 9.378192
14 North_Swedish @ 12.155580
15 French @ 13.101006
16 East_German @ 14.484367
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.622101
18 Austrian @ 19.812147
19 Hungarian @ 20.138453
20 Finnish @ 21.126108

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.377470
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.603018
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.744400
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.762994
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.777089
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.829644
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.862946
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889061
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.926053
10 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.937662
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.940629
12 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.952824
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.953074
14 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.953712
15 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.984510
16 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.992187
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.993653
18 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.000836
19 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.004843
20 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.006466


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdX0YQwqqU4

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/56/38/69/5638694bce66e8e20a6a34229f3e10f6--scottish-highland-dance-scottish-highlands.jpg

[Alstrohma]

Where does this place me?
It's looking like southwestern germany. If so, that is correct.

https://i.imgur.com/YaE9s2G.jpg?1

[Oneeye]

On my cellphone, so I dont have the software for plotting, but I have the coordinates:


Abscisse (x-axis):310

Ordonnée (y-axis):143

[Oneeye]

Hmmm, I dunno , I would expect to cluster with Ulster Ireland or Scotland but its is more of an Angle-Danish/English kind of result but lowland Scotland does have Anglian/Danish connections :

http://rsmg.pbsrc.com/albums/v336/naudiz/me_zpsqtdovtwj.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473
6 Irish @ 5.014568
7 Orcadian @ 5.134441
8 North_German @ 6.141170
9 Norwegian @ 7.694504
10 South_Dutch @ 8.158228
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.668773
12 West_German @ 9.131309
13 Swedish @ 9.378192
14 North_Swedish @ 12.155580
15 French @ 13.101006
16 East_German @ 14.484367
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.622101
18 Austrian @ 19.812147
19 Hungarian @ 20.138453
20 Finnish @ 21.126108

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.377470
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.603018
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.744400
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.762994
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.777089
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.829644
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.862946
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889061
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.926053
10 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.937662
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.940629
12 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.952824
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.953074
14 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.953712
15 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.984510
16 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.992187
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.993653
18 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.000836
19 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.004843
20 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.006466


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdX0YQwqqU4

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/56/38/69/5638694bce66e8e20a6a34229f3e10f6--scottish-highland-dance-scottish-highlands.jpg



Peasant!

[Jägerstaffel]

Mine...seems like West Scottish tending a bit toward West Norwegian. I suppose fairly accurate being that my father is Scottish-English and mother is Irish-German.

https://i.imgur.com/QArvk61.png

Your results are what I expected mine to be. Instead I was between Denmark and Belgium. Wtf. My family is heavily Scottish so I'm confused.

[Petalpusher]

Where does this place me?
It's looking like southwestern germany. If so, that is correct.

https://i.imgur.com/YaE9s2G.jpg?1

What's your known ancestry exactly? and admix %?

[Alstrohma]

What's your known ancestry exactly? and admix %?

German (baden wurtermberg close to Alsace and saxony close to dresden.) and British isles. Which admix?

The regular k15 test actually wasn't the most accurate for me.

[Petalpusher]

German (baden wurtermberg close to Alsace and saxony close to dresden.) and British isles. Which admix?

The regular k15 test actually wasn't the most accurate for me.

Your results are surprising especially if you have some British (half?). You should be at least around S.Dutch like most Anglo/German Americans, which is where Belgian is on your map (it's an error here, there is no Belgian sample in K15). This is the original pca http://i67.tinypic.com/10r22jq.png



I meant your admix percentages in K15.

[Alstrohma]

Your results are surprising especially if you have some British (half?). You should be at least around S.Dutch like most Anglo/German Americans, which is where Belgian is on your map (it's an error here, there is no Belgian sample in K15). This is the original pca http://i67.tinypic.com/10r22jq.png



I meant your admix percentages in K15.

What does that location on the map put me as? To me it's looking like southern Germany, Alsace area.

I thought they were strange myself. The 23andme results align perfectly with what i said but this gedmatch test is placing me differently. Gedmatch has been hit or miss for me.

I mean, maybe I placed the coordinates wrong. When I do the k36 map, i have numbers in the 80s right around where you said, belgian and south dutch. Highest being west german and southern german.

[Graham]

On my cellphone, so I dont have the software for plotting, but I have the coordinates:


Abscisse (x-axis):310

Ordonnée (y-axis):143

https://image.ibb.co/gshKoT/image.png

[frankhammer]

Green 23&me
Red ADNA

https://i.imgur.com/yYTCC6K.png

[Petalpusher]

What does that location on the map put me as? To me it's looking like southern Germany, Alsace area.

I thought they were strange myself. The 23andme results align perfectly with what i said but this gedmatch test is placing me differently. Gedmatch has been hit or miss for me.

I mean, maybe I placed the coordinates wrong. When I do the k36 map, i have numbers in the 80s right around where you said, belgian and south dutch. Highest being west german and southern german.

The few Alsatians i ve seen were just somewhere between France and W.Germany. I think the two Belgians on the board here were close to your point, that's all i can think of.

I mean if all your ancestry was from B-W ok, but if you have British it makes it surprising.

[Alstrohma]

The few Alsatians i ve seen were just somewhere between France and W.Germany. I think the two Belgians on the board here were close to your point, that's all i can think of.

I mean if all your ancestry was from B-W ok, but if you have British it makes it surprising.

I agree. Thanks for your help.

[rein]

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[Jana]

https://i.imgur.com/mCiW1IS.png

Red = me
Black= mama
Purple = papa

[rein]

https://i.imgur.com/mCiW1IS.png

Red = me
Black= mama
Purple = papa

Very interesting, how you plot a bit north of your parents.

[visar]

https://i.imgur.com/rSNNUgG.png

[Jana]

Very interesting, how you plot a bit north of your parents.

Yes, I didn't know it was possible :) I expected my mom to be more northern, and my dad to be more southern than me, but suprisingly, they came out pretty similar genetically.

I guess recombination is genetic lottery.

[Leto]

https://i.imgur.com/rSNNUgG.png
Nice. Quite close to the Polish reference. Can you please post your K13 results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K13/page110

[Gründig]

Places me in Baden-Württemberg/Alsace. My parental line is from here. However, i have family from various places around Germany, as well as the British Isles. So i find it interesting it placed me here.


https://i.imgur.com/rysOTkB.jpg?1

[Lauχum]

78202

[DarkWater]

http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag83/Jagerstaffel/Capture_zpsdg8b5wrl.png~original

Weird placement for me.

Very close to mine, mine is directly on the "B" of "Belgium". Where did you expect to be placed?

[DarkWater]

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/396a5216-d57c-4d9e-bf41-edf8a6af17cb.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1264&maxHeight=816

Near South Dutch, leaning towards West-Brittany. I am descended from mostly West and South Germans, and then some English. I wonder if I have more English or Scottish that I don't know about that is pulling me away from West Germany.

Does anyone know where Belgians tend cluster on this?

[Gründig]

Does anyone know what part of France the "french" dot is on?

[DarkWater]

Does anyone know what part of France the "french" dot is on?

I'm not sure, I guess probably the middle.. But populations don't always map out in relation to where the live when comparing with other populations. For example, Austria plots more north than W. Germany. I assume because of Mediterranean admixture in western Germans

[DarkWater]

Does anyone know where the Swiss tend to plot?

[Hadouken]

https://s8.postimg.cc/6hue1iuo3/K15_V4.png

[Carpatz]

A bit different with ftdna compared to 23andme v5. I plot closer to Romania with the latter

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/488991252386152448/K15V4.png

[Rolfbart]

Being the computer illiterate that I am, what does:

263 Abcisse X
139 Ordonnee Y

plot as?

[Carpatz]

Being the computer illiterate that I am, what does:

263 Abcisse X
139 Ordonnee Y

plot as?

Here you go bro. You're closest to Southern English.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/489125381102632970/jkj.png

[Impaler]

Does anyone know where I am plotting? :D

http://i.imgur.com/NgilVE8.png (https://imgur.com/NgilVE8)

[Rolfbart]

Here you go bro. You're closest to Southern English.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/489125381102632970/jkj.png


I was Southern English until I realized I entered the info incorrectly and the coordinates are actually

291 Abcisse X
153 Ordonnee Y

And, thanks for your help.

[Seya]

https://i.imgur.com/kXWvSD8.png

[Vid Flumina]

https://i.imgur.com/O9TrTYk.png

[Dukagjini]

Can anyone plot me, I cannot seem to put the coordinates on the drawing software correctly.

Abscisse (x-axis): 487 pixel

Ordonnée (y-axis): 314 pixel

[Seya]

Can anyone plot me, I cannot seem to put the coordinates on the drawing software correctly.

Abscisse (x-axis): 487 pixel

Ordonnée (y-axis): 314 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/Ab6YQtY.png

[Dukagjini]

https://i.imgur.com/Ab6YQtY.png

Thank you. :thumb001:

[IncelSlayer]

https://image.ibb.co/hHNHfU/k155.png

[Moje ime]

https://i.imgur.com/DYTp2WE.jpg

[Moje ime]

...

You're Hungarian?

[Carpatz]

Does anyone know where I am plotting? :D

http://i.imgur.com/NgilVE8.png (https://imgur.com/NgilVE8)

You're not close to any reference, which makes you unique :thumb001:

[Carpatz]

You're Hungarian?

He's Stears' lost brother

[paradox]

Could someone please plot these? Thanks
my dad
X 483 y 274
and mine
X 587 y 342

Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk

[Jana]

https://image.ibb.co/hHNHfU/k155.png

So you are Hungarian after all. Hehehe

[gadele]

So you are Hungarian after all. Hehehe
Jana thanks for sending me out this link.
I made my plotting but I do not understand the difference between this result and the one population Oracle result.

This is my result
https://i.imgur.com/YmlOhOJ.png

but from Oralce K15 I got Spain- Murcia which is far to the left of this point.
I would appreciate if you or other members help me to understand the different results. I have created a new thread asking these questions but I have not received any answer yet. thanks.

[Jana]

Jana thanks for sending me out this link.
I made my plotting but I do not understand the difference between this result and the one population Oracle result.

This is my result
https://i.imgur.com/YmlOhOJ.png

but from Oralce K15 I got Spain- Murcia which is far to the left of this point.
I would appreciate if you or other members help me to understand the different results. I have created a new thread asking these questions but I have not received any answer yet. thanks.

Can you post your Full Oracles for K15 ?
Perhaps Amerindian admix is pulling you east. Or some Balkan ancestry, J2B2 common haplogroup in Albania

Mixed mode oracles too, please

[gadele]

Thanks Jana. I do have a Y-DNA realted to Balkans J2B2 J-241

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
Atlantic
25.19


2
West_Med
18.94


3
Amerindian
17.56


4
North_Sea
13.48


5
East_Med
10.15


6
Baltic
6.82


7
Red_Sea
2.69


8
Northeast_African
1.77


9
Eastern_Euro
1.49


10
Oceanian
0.71


11
South_Asian
0.61


12
Sub-Saharan
0.41


13
Southeast_Asian
0.18

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Spanish_Murcia
22.01






</tbody>

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

82.3%
Spanish_Andalucia
+
17.7%
Karitiana
@
3.87












</tbody>

[Jana]

It is Amerindian mix pulling you east :)
You seem like Iberian in castizo range , correct me If I am wrong ?

[gadele]

You are right Jana. From Ancestry point of view I got 72% Iberian, 3% South East Europe (Balkans/Italy), 5% Jewish, 18% Native american, 2% Midle Easternand and I look Castizo.
The question I have then, and only for Full European is :
Both methods. K15 Oracle Single population and the K15 calculator at http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm have matching results? or you also have differences?

[Jana]

You are right Jana. From Ancestry point of view I got 72% Iberian, 3% South East Europe (Balkans/Italy), 5% Jewish, 18% Native american, 2% Midle Easternand and I look Castizo.
The question I have then, and only for Full European is :
Both methods. K15 Oracle Single population and the K15 calculator at http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm have matching results? or you also have differences?

It places you far from Spain because of your native American ancestry, depsite you get Spain as top match on Oracles, but it is not close fit. Amerindian pulls you dramatically east, I think that is why you have such position on PCA.
Because you are mixed heritage.

[gadele]

Thanks for your feedback Jana.
In fact it seems to me very interesting to be situated at the Balkans. Specially when I was already situated there phenotypically. (Among other places also). Besides my Y-dna was from there also J2B2 J-241.


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[Galìndas]

Baltic-Slavic
https://preview.ibb.co/n8PNj9/K15V42.jpg (https://ibb.co/mbpoP9)
https://preview.ibb.co/ne56Bp/K15V4.jpg (https://ibb.co/ivKBcU)

[Seya]

Baltic-Slavic
https://preview.ibb.co/n8PNj9/K15V42.jpg (https://ibb.co/mbpoP9)
https://preview.ibb.co/ne56Bp/K15V4.jpg (https://ibb.co/ivKBcU)

show us your eurogenes k15

[Galìndas]

show us your eurogenes k15
North_Sea 23.83
Atlantic 12.22
Baltic 28.47
Eastern_Euro 22.65
West_Med 5.34
West_Asian 3.35
East_Med 1.44
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.56
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.15
Amerindian 0.98
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Seya]

North_Sea 23.83
Atlantic 12.22
Baltic 28.47
Eastern_Euro 22.65
West_Med 5.34
West_Asian 3.35
East_Med 1.44
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.56
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.15
Amerindian 0.98
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

congrats..u're a true baltic man :D

[Galìndas]

congrats..u're a true baltic man :D
I'm 100% Russian. I have the blood of the ancient Moscow Balts. They lived on Oka and Moscow river. In Latvian - Galindas, in Russian - Golyad.

[FilhoV]

I don’t have the drawing software so I can’t see the coordinates anyone care to do for me

Using 23&me

Population
North_Sea 15.34
Atlantic 34.09
Baltic 6.22
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 20.06
West_Asian 5.41
East_Med 11.28
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 2.21
Sub-Saharan 2.33

[RandomGuy20]

I'm not sure how to map this, if anyone could help I would be grateful :)
x-axis 378
y-axis 139

[Gründig]

Other picture got deleted:

http://i.imgur.com/gB159Bv.jpg

[CommonSense]

https://i.imgur.com/vagi5b4.jpg

[CommonSense]

A bit different with ftdna compared to 23andme v5. I plot closer to Romania with the latter

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/488991252386152448/K15V4.png

You plot the closest to me, out of all the members here.

[Carpatz]

You plot the closest to me, out of all the members here.

moj brat

[Galìndas]

Other picture got deleted:

http://i.imgur.com/gB159Bv.jpg
Show me K47, please. :rolleyes:

[Gründig]

Show me K47, please. :rolleyes:

Beg me

[Galìndas]

Beg me
The Serbs have acquired a powerful Western friend :butt:

[gadele]

I'm not sure how to map this, if anyone could help I would be grateful :)
x-axis 378
y-axis 139

hey Randomguy20. I have plotted your coordinates.
x-axis 378
y-axis 139

80307

[FilhoV]

hey Randomguy20. I have plotted your coordinates.
x-axis 378
y-axis 139

80307

286 x

338 y


If you don’t mind