Central Asian paternal Y-DNA mtDNA ( Turkish chart ) Mongoloid Caucasian Turks haplogroups

[ButlerKing]

Note: The data is written in both Englisn and Turkish. ( To those who don't know ) All these are either Mongoloid/Asian paternal Y-DNA or European/White paternal Y-DNA.

Mongoloid male Y-DNA

C3/C2 = Typical of Mongolian, Buryats, Tunguistic, and common in Manchus, Korean
N = Typical of East Siberia, Turkic, North Europe/ Russia and very common in Southern Chinese
O = Typical of East and Southeast Asian
D1 = Typical of Tibetan
D3 = Typical of Tibeto-Burmese
Q = Typical of Siberian Turkics, Native Americans, Southern Chinese minorities and very common in Southeast Asian Thai minorities.

Caucasoid male Y-DNA

R1a = Typical of Europeans, Southern Central Asia, North India
R1b = Typical of European and West Siberia
J = Typical of West Asian, Middle easterner, Caucasus
I = Typical of North Europeans and Central Europeans
G = Typical of Caucasus
E = Typical of South European, North African and Bantu African


By the way Y-DNA and mtDNA of Turks seems to vary from region to region. It's a proven fact that Central Asia is the biggest melpot of interracial marriages between Mongoloid and Caucasians.
Central Asia is a interesting place. A place where many Asian men/women , Caucasian men/women, Half Asian-Caucasian men/women had banged eachother.

( Note: R1b, Q is not included since they are group together, we don't know the exact percentage for them seperately in these charts .I will also include their mtDNA )



Kazakhs


63.2% C2b, O, 13.2% , C2c 10,5% + D 2.6% = 97.4% East Asian male Y-DNA

R1a 2.6% =2.6% Caucasian male Y-DNA


mtDNA: 40-50% Caucasian female DNA
mtDNA: 50-60% East Asian female DNA

http://i66.tinypic.com/5pj783.png
Y-DNA



On the Kazakhs, another study shows Haplogroup C3 only 36% and O 12% O, N 10% while Caucasian Y-DNA haplogroup make up 40-50% and Caucasian female mtDNA 50-65% , Mongoloid female mtDNA 40-68%, South Asian mtDNA 3-7%




Kyrgyz

C2b 12.2% +. C2c 7.3 % , N3 2.4% = 22% East Asian male Y-DNA
R1a 63.4% + J 4.9% + I 2.4% = 70.7% Caucasian male Y-DNA

mtDNA Caucasian female DNA = 27% to 42.6%
mtDNA East Asian female DNA = 56% to 70%


http://i65.tinypic.com/3536no3.png



some Kyrgyz mtDNA study shows 5-10% South Asian mtDNA, I don't know why

Other study shows Kyrgyz with 37% East Asian male Y-DNA and 62% mtDNA for fema;e

Other shows them

25% O3 + 14 % C3 + 2.4% N = 41.5% East Asian male Y-DNA
69% East Asian female DNA

http://i65.tinypic.com/8yvrx5.gif


Uyghurs from Kazakhstan

C2 15.2% , O 15.2 = 30.4% East Asian male Y-DNA
J 27,3 , R1a 21,2 + G , I 9.1 = 54.1% Caucasian male Y-DNA

Caucasian female mtDNA: 48%
East Asian female mtDNA: 52%


http://i68.tinypic.com/2e6a7ag.png


Uyghurs in Xinjiang, East Turkistan

East Asian male Y-DNA ranges from 22.7% to 39%
East Asian female mt-DNA ranges from 40% to 58%

Caucasian Y-DNA ranges from 61% to 78%
Caucasian mtDNA ranges from 42.6% to 54.5%

Uygur/Urumqi:
1/31 = 3.2% Y
1/31 = 3.2% C
2/31 = 6.5% E
8/31 = 25.8% J
1/31 = 3.2% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/31 = 6.5% N1b
1/31 = 3.2% O1a
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
1/31 = 3.2% O3a3c1-M117
6/31 = 19.4% P*
7/31 = 22.6% R1a

Uygur/Yili:
8/39 = 20.5% Y*
1/39 = 2.6% C*
3/39 = 7.7% C3c
1/39 = 2.6% DE(xE)
5/39 = 12.8% K*(xNO, P)
1/39 = 2.6% N1*-LLY22g(xN1a, N1b, N1c)
2/39 = 5.1% N1c1
2/39 = 5.1% O3*
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c*-M134(xO3a3c1-M117)
2/39 = 5.1% O3a3c1-M117
6/39 = 15.4% P*(xR1a)
6/39 = 15.4% R1a



Uzbeks from Uzbekistan

C2c 14.3% + D+ 3.6% = 17.9% East Asian male Y-DNA
R1a 32.1 , J 21.4 + 3.6 = 57.1% Caucasian male Y-DNA

mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 65%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 35%


http://i68.tinypic.com/27zhow4.png

Another study shows Uzbeks with 28% East Asian male ( there was 4.5% O3 ) while East Asian female DNA 41%


Afghan Uzbeks East Asian male is from as low as 3% to as high as 46%, their Caucasian female mtDNA can be 85% to 90%

Afghanistan and Pakistan ethnic minority

" Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events"

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC3314501/

"Haplogroup C3 in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 "


Haplogroup C3 and O3

Uzbeks/ Afghanistan 41.18% C3 + 5.9% O3

Hazara/ Pakistan 40% C3 + 8% O3

Hazaras/ Afghanistan 33.33% C3 + O3 2.56%

Tajiks/Afghanistan 3.57% C3 + O3 9%

Pashtuns Afghanistan 2.04% C3

Pashtun Pakistan 5% C3

Turkmen



N 9.5% = 9.5% East asian male Y-DNA
J1 23.8%, G 4.8%, R1a 4.8% = 34% Caucasian male DNA ( 80-90% if most are R1b )

Caucasian female mtDNA: 90.2%
East Asian female mtDNA 9.8%

http://i63.tinypic.com/r9lv5y.png





Turkmen from Iran and Afghanistan

have 42.6% haplogroup Q and they look more Mongoloid than the ones in Iran.

http://i66.tinypic.com/r89x6r.png

42.6% East Asian male Y-DNA
53% Caucasian male Y-DNA

90% Caucasian female mtDNA
10% East Asian female mtDNA





Azerbaijan

5.3% N = 5.3% East Asian male Y-DNA
J 57.9% , G 5.3% + R1a 5.3% + E. 5.3% = 94.7% Caucasian male Y-DNA

96.1% mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA
4.9% mtDNA: East Asian female DNA


http://i68.tinypic.com/a3fiuw.png






Azerbaijan from Iran

According to a study in Iran in Northern Iran (which is Azerbaijan) the Y-DNA haplogroups are distributed like as follows:

Q (9.09%)
N (6.06%)
O (3.03%)
C3 (3.03%)
R1a1 (3.03%)
R1a (3.03%)
R1*(3.03%)
L (3.03%)
J2a (3.03%)
J1 (9.095)
J2b1 (15.05%)
J2b1b (3.03%)
J2b (3.03%)
R1b1a (15.15%)
R2 (3.03%)
G2 (12.12%)
G1 (3.03%)

Q 9.09 + N 6.06 + O 3.03 + C3 3.03 = 21% East Asian paternal Y-DNA

R1a1 3.03% + R1a + 3.03% + R1* 3.03% + L 3.03% + J2a 3.03% + J1 9.095+ J2b1 15.05% + J2b1b 3.03%+ J2b(3.03%+ R1b1a 15.15%+ R2 3.03%+ G2 12.12% + G1 3.03% = 79% Caucasian male paternal Y-DNA


mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 85%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 15%




Turkey


13 - 13 % East asian male Y-DNA
87 - 97% Caucasian male Y-DNA

mtDNA: Caucasian female DNA 90.1%,
mtDNA: East Asian female DNA 3 - 15%

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TurkishY_DNA.gif



Turkish East Asian male and female mtDNA ranges from province.

Haplogroup C3 is from 0% to 5%, N 2% to 7%, Q from 1% to 13%

[ButlerKing]

Mongolians are 88 - 99% Asian
Kazakhs are 60-78% Asian

Uyghur are 32-68% Asian
Turkish are 3-23% Asian



Interracial marriage predominately Asian men and Caucasian female


Kazakhs
Crimean Tatars
Uzbeks Afghan
Azeris from Iran
Turkmen from Iran
Hazara
Mongolians
Buryats
Kalmyks


Interracial marriage predominately Caucasian men and Asian women.


Kyrgyz
Uzbek
Uyghur
Nogais
Turkish
Turkmen.
Altay
Tajik
Karakalpak

http://i50.tinypic.com/25hirzk.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/28u4f47.jpg

[Böri]

There are variations like with Indo-Iranians you know Ossets are different than Persians or Srilankans or Slavic like how Bulgarian and Russians very different. Türks are race but degenerated with mixtures but still present perfect race.

[ButlerKing]

There are variations like with Indo-Iranians you know Ossets are different than Persians or Srilankans or Slavic like how Bulgarian and Russians very different. Türks are race but degenerated with mixtures but still present perfect race.


The world is degenerated admixture. People think South Asia is big mess of Caucasian and Australoid admixture but look at Central Asia and East Africa they are even bigger mess, even Europe is not clean either.


I really love this DNA chart. It shows there's no such thing as pure west Eurasian genetics.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

[ButlerKing]

For those of you who doubt haplogroup Q


" some regions and ethnic groups in the continent show high frequencies. Q-M242 is found in 2.8% (3/106, all Q-M346) in Myanmar, and all the Q samples are concentrated in Ayeyarwady (2/11) and Bago (1/14) regions in southwest Myanmar.[60] And, Q-M242 is found in 55.6% (15/27) in the Akha tribe in northern Thailand.[41] "

Source ------> Trejaut, J.A. (2014). "Taiwan Y-chromosomal DNA variation and its relationship with Island Southeast Asia". BMC Genetics. 15: 77.


So not only do Siberian Mongoloid, Amerindian have world highest haplogroup Q but so Southeast Asians. Wether is Mongoloid from south or north they both have high Q.

So if any Europeans, Middle easterner have haplogroup Q than remember your ancestor was Mongoloid


55.6% haplogroup Q in Akha people who number 450,000 people. There's a theory that came from Mongolia/Manchuria but these haplogroups are nearly non-existant in Mongols, Manchus however their origins was clearly from Southern China.

Akha people

http://dietmartemps.com/media_library/image/53110_1403092020241.jpg
https://mychiangmaitravel.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/akha01.jpg
http://nebula.wsimg.com/9cd4a48ae8a8aaeb6a52e2dc4b272eef?AccessKeyId=41178 E20AA980EB4942A&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[ButlerKing]

For those of you who doubt haplogroup N

Genetic Evidence of an East Asian Origin and Paleolithic Northward Migration of Y-chromosome Haplogroup N
Hong Shi Xuebin Qi Hua Zhong Yi Peng Xiaoming Zhang Runlin Z. Ma Bing Su


http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0066102

" Based on the dating of the Hg N haplotypes and their geographic distributions paired with the suggested counter-clock-wise migratory route across Eurasia [3], we proposed a migratory map (Figure 4) of the Hg N lineages beginning in southern China about 21 kya, and expanding into northern China 12–18 kya, reaching further north to Siberia about 12–14 kya [3], and followed by a population expansion and westward migration into Central Asia and East/North Europe around 8.0–10.0 kya [16]. "


Look at the migration of haplogroup N

http://i65.tinypic.com/f580w0.png


Haplogroup N is very high in Mongoloid Uralic population who even have very high Caucasian female mtDNA

In the The study: " Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers "

It claims haplogroup N ( N2 and N3 ) in Europe and Siberis are all Mongoloid/East Eurasian

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n10/images/ejhg2008101f1.jpg



If haplogroup N is European than it makes no sense for Nenets to be so Mongoloid ( look at the chart of Mansi, Khanty aswell )

They have 75% N and 64% Caucasian female mtDNA and yet genetically they are 68-90% Mongoloid and only 10-32% Caucasian

These people definately don't look Caucasian

http://i66.tinypic.com/10sc8d5.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/11/8e/71/118e71135a654c71b0c63eaa49db6011.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Please challenge me


Try and refute my hardcore data.

[Anglojew]

Q is Caucasoid.

[ButlerKing]

Q is Caucasoid.

Q cannot be Caucasoid. If it was Caucasoid than how come all highest frequencies are in Mongoloid but little to non-existant in Caucasian.


Highest frequencies: Kets, Selkups, Inuit, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, Akha people of northern Thailand, and Turkmens.

[Charles Bronson]

C3/C2 = Typical of Mongolian, Buryats, Tunguistic, and common in Manchus, Korean
N = Typical of East Siberia, Turkic, North Europe/ Russia and very common in Southern Chinese
O = Typical of East and Southeast Asian
D1 = Typical of Tibetan
Q = Typical of Siberian Turkics, Native Americans, Southern Chinese minorities and very common in Southeast Asian Thai minorities.


What do you say about my haplogroup.


Q is Caucasoid.


Your wish is granted.

[ButlerKing]

What do you say about my haplogroup.




Your wish is granted.


You are rare Turkish male, 1 in 400 Turkish. You are among the less than 1% Turks with haplogroup O


Some of the percentages identified were:[7]


I=5.3%[7] – Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
K=4.5%[7] – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L=4.2%[7] – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N=3.8%[7] – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T=2.5%[7] – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q=1.9%[7] – Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
C=1.3%[7] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
R2=0.96% [7] – Typical of South Asian population

Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a, O, R1*.


Haplogroup O is 0.19% in Turkish population and you are one of them



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png/1024px-Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

[Anglojew]

Q cannot be Caucasoid. If it was Caucasoid than how come all highest frequencies are in Mongoloid but little to non-existant in Caucasian.


Highest frequencies: Kets, Selkups, Inuit, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, Akha people of northern Thailand, and Turkmens.

1. They're proto-Mongoloids.

2. Maternal line Mongoloids.

3. There's R North American & Siberian populations so your conclusion isn't logical:

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Map_R.jpg

4. Q & R have the same origin

[Rethel]

Mongoloid male Y-DNA

C3/C2 = Typical of Mongolian, Buryats, Tunguistic, and common in Manchus, Korean
N = Typical of East Siberia, Turkic, North Europe/ Russia and very common in Southern Chinese
O = Typical of East and Southeast Asian
D1 = Typical of Tibetan
Q = Typical of Siberian Turkics, Native Americans, Southern Chinese minorities and very common in Southeast Asian Thai minorities.

N and O is Mongoloid - N north version, O southern version.
Q is amerindianoid
D is originaly negritid
C - veddoid.


Caucasoid male Y-DNA

R1a = Typical of Europeans, Southern Central Asia, North India
R1b = Typical of European and West Siberia

Caucasoid, but totally different, than southern caucasoid Like Swede and Saudi.


J = Typical of West Asian, Middle easterner, Caucasus
I = Typical of North Europeans and Central Europeans
G = Typical of Caucasus
E = Typical of South European, North African and Bantu African

All four were originally also different.

J - like saudi/syrian mix.
I - like suadi/veddoid mix.
G - like armenoid/tadjik mix
E - like berber/veddoid mix.

[Rethel]

4. Q & R have the same origin

Q and B have the same origin also... :picard2:

If Q is white, who the hell is amerindian then? :picard1:

[Charles Bronson]

You are rare Turkish male, 1 in 400 Turkish. You are among the less than 1% Turks with haplogroup O


You mean 1:526.

It is in Turkey rare, but in Korea, Japan, Mongolia, China is this the most common haplogroup.

[ButlerKing]

1. They're proto-Mongoloids.

2. Maternal line Mongoloids.

3. There's R North American & Siberian populations so your conclusion isn't logical:

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Map_R.jpg

4. Q & R have the same origin


If haplogroup Q is Caucasian where are the Caucasian ethnicity with haplogroups Q ? Haplogroup R in Amerindians is the result of paleolithic contribution and European imperialist in 15th century.

If we combine haplogroup Q and R than their Y-DNA is 100% Caucasoid and that means they should be at least 50% Caucasoid


their mtDNA is not pure Mongoloid either.

X2a is a major mtDNA subclade in North America; among the Algonquian peoples, it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA types.[60][61] It is also present in lower percentages to the west and south of this area — among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-chah-nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[62]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG


I know Y-DNA can be diluted but it's very hard to believe that the Amerindian tribes with 100% Q have 0% caucasian admixture that's because Q is not Caucasian. The only groups here that shows a European affinity are the ones with European haplogroup.

http://signaturebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dna2.jpg

[Rethel]

I know Y-DNA can be diluted but it's very hard to believe that the Amerindian tribes with 100% Q have 0% caucasian admixture that's because Q is not Caucasian

Yes, but syberian and european Q have amerindian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

1. They're proto-Mongoloids.

2. Maternal line Mongoloids.

3. There's R North American & Siberian populations so your conclusion isn't logical:

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Map_R.jpg

4. Q & R have the same origin


I need to ask you than

1. What do you think is a proto-Mongoloid ? do you think of Ainu only, what about the Taiwan aborigines ?

2. The Taiwanese Chinese maternal line is Taiwanese aborigines, does that count ? they are a mixture of Han Chinese father and Taiwanese aborigines mothers.

A lot of these Taiwanese aborigines have quite a caucasian-dish or Eurasian look like the Ainu, but sadly most are mixed with Chinese today.

http://i48.tinypic.com/30iz5fn.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/f0sqdh.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6157/6162618465_563c2ba99c_z.jpg

[ButlerKing]

You mean 1:526.

It is in Turkey rare, but in Korea, Japan, Mongolia, China is this the most common haplogroup.

Yes you are correct.

0.19% of 74,940,000 = 142,386 Turkish people with haplogroup O


Source ----> percentage calculator

http://www.percentagecalculator.net/

[ButlerKing]

N and O is Mongoloid - N north version, O southern version.
Q is amerindianoid
D is originaly negritid
C - veddoid.



Caucasoid, but totally different, than southern caucasoid Like Swede and Saudi.



All four were originally also different.

J - like saudi/syrian mix.
I - like suadi/veddoid mix.
G - like armenoid/tadjik mix
E - like berber/veddoid mix.


Absolutely wrong the highest frequencies of D can be found in Tibeto Burmans 70% and they look 0% Negroid and they also show 0% Negroid admixture.


C can also not be Veddoid. It's very common in Siberia, Mongolia, Manchuria, North Korea to Australia aborigines. Different types of C have different origins.



How can you claim I and E are mixed veddoid, you mean people like Sri Lanka ?????

[Rethel]

Absolutely wrong the highest frequencies of D can be found in Tibeto Burmans 70% and they look 0% Negroid

Becasue they were mongolized in early stages.
Btw, Tibetians looks totally different than rest
of mongoloids, like Ainu did also. Original D is
among negritos on Andaman Islands.

[ButlerKing]

Becasue they were mongolized in early stages.
Btw, Tibetians looks totally different than rest
of mongoloids, like Ainu did also. Original D is
among negritos on Andaman Islands.


That's insane. The D that the Tibetans and Burmese mongoloid have are totally different origin with the D of Ainu, Adaman islanders. The C that Mongoloids also have different from from the Australoids.

Please do not listen to afrocentrist propaganda or delusional idiots like Geniker who I had proven him wrong so many times.


The Tibetan look like what they look like, Mongoloid

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tibet_02_13/t07_17859823.jpg

[Rethel]

That's insane. The D that the Tibetans and Burmese mongoloid have are totally different origin with the D of Ainu, Adaman islanders. The C that Mongoloids also have different from from the Australoids.

Asian C is in majority very young.
16 mln people descendant from on guy 1000 years ago.
16 mln it is more than all C in Europe, Russia, Cenrtal Asia and Mongolia together.

Btw, mongolian C and D is not closer related to N and O, than to rest of C and D.
C in India and Bengal is not mongoloidic also, and D, O and C in Indochina is a mix
of mongoloids and australoids, as whole population is. Mongoloid element obviously
came from O people there, and australoid from some different people - C and D are
very good minority candidates.


Please do not listen to afrocentrist propaganda or diluted idiots like Geniker who I had proven him wrong so many times.

I don't. But you often to similar idiots are listening.


The Tibetan look like what they look like, Mongoloid

Looks mongoloid, but it is subrace.

[ButlerKing]

Asian C is in majority very young.
16 mln people descendant from on guy 1000 years ago.
16 mln it is more than all C in Europe, Russia, Cenrtal Asia and Mongolia together.



I don't. But you often to similar idiots are listening.



Looks mongoloid, but it is subrace.



Okay, time for some schooling.

Adamanese 100% D and 100% mtDNA M


If haplogroup D is negroid origin than mtDNA M is also negroid origin ????? REALLY ??? that's saying a large percentage of people in Asia have original negroid markers ? hahahahaha

http://assets.survivalinternational.org/pictures/81/jarawa30_screen.jpg

Haplogroup D is only in Japanese, Ainu, Tibetan, Burmese but mtDNA M is 25-30% in Chinese, Korean, Mongolian, Japanese, Southeast Asian and 60-80% in India, Pakistan


Judging from your logic all of East Asian and Southeast Asia are mixed with Australoid even Koreans because mtDNA N and M which are descendants from African mtDNA L makes up for 25% of Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan, Japanese, Koreans, Southeast Asian lineages.


DO YOU REALLY BOTH OF THESE MARKERS ARE NEGROID ORIGIN ???????



Haplogroup D1, D2, D3 are not Negrito markers, Adamanese have their own version of Haplogroup D* which is found and isolated only in the Adamans islands.

Haplogroup D-M174 = Haplogroup D Adamanese ( Paragroup D*)

Haplogroup D-M15 = Haplogroup D1 Tibetan, Tibeto-Burmese, Han Chinese

Haplogroup D-M55 = Haplogroup D2 Jomon, Ainu, Japanese, Ryukuan

Haplogroup D-P47 = Haplogroup D3a Tibeto-burmese, Tajiks, Tibetan, Turkic.

[Rethel]

Buttlerking,

you really do not have idea about the past.
It is hard to discuss with you, when you can't
imagine, what and when you are talking about.

[ButlerKing]

Buttlerking,

you really do not have idea about the past.
It is hard to discuss with you, when you can't
imagine, what and when you are talking about.


I'm contradicting your points.

You want to say haplogroup D is negritid, WHY ? Do you have evidence that D was originally negroid. You only say this because the Adamanese are some humans existed 26,000 years ago with their migration from Africa to Asia. How would you know D was originally negroid, do you agree that E was originally negroid aswell?

Y-DNA haplogroup D is not the only haplogroup that these Adamanese have it in 100%, their mtDNA M haplogroup is also 100%


So if their haplogroup D originally negroid than so is their mtDNA M


Are you ready to claim mtDNA M is also negroid origin?

[Charles Bronson]

16 mln people descendant from on guy 1000 years ago.


From the book "The Secret History of the Mongols".

http://i68.tinypic.com/23jkahu.jpg



Members of the Mongol imperial family (designated the Golden family) are buried in a secret necropolis; therefore, none of their burial grounds have been found. In 2004, we first discovered 5 graves belonging to the Golden family in Tavan Tolgoi, Eastern Mongolia. To define the genealogy of the 5 bodies and the kinship among them, SNP and/or STR profiles of mitochondria, autosomes, and Y chromosomes were analyzed. Four of the 5 bodies were determined to carry the mitochondrial DNA haplogroup D4, while the fifth carried haplogroup CZ, indicating that this individual had no kinship with the others. Meanwhile, Y-SNP and Y-STR profiles indicate that the males examined belonged to the R1b-M343 haplogroup. Thus, their East Asian D4 or CZ matrilineal and West Eurasian R1b-M343 patrilineal origins reveal genealogical admixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid ethnic groups, despite a Mongoloid physical appearance. In addition, Y chromosomal and autosomal STR profiles revealed that the four D4-carrying bodies bore the relationship of either mother and three sons or four full siblings with almost the same probability. Moreover, the geographical distribution of R1b-M343-carrying modern-day individuals demonstrates that descendants of Tavan Tolgoi bodies today live mainly in Western Eurasia, with a high frequency in the territories of the past Mongol khanates. Here, we propose that Genghis Khan and his family carried Y-haplogroup R1b-M343, which is prevalent in West Eurasia, rather than the Y-haplogroup C3c-M48, which is prevalent in Asia and which is widely accepted to be present in the family members of Genghis Khan. Additionally, Tavan Tolgoi bodies may have been the product of marriages between the lineage of Genghis Khan's Borjigin clan and the lineage of either the Ongud or Hongirad clans, indicating that these individuals were members of Genghis Khan's immediate family or his close relatives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27627454

[LoLeL]

You mean 1:526.

It is in Turkey rare, but in Korea, Japan, Mongolia, China is this the most common haplogroup.

Seems your paternal ancestors where some East Asians who joined Turkic/Hunnic hordes.

[ButlerKing]

Buttlerking,

you really do not have idea about the past.
It is hard to discuss with you, when you can't
imagine, what and when you are talking about.

You should study more on their mtDNA and than see if you still truly believe in what you think. Do not think you can just talk about their Y-DNA without including their mtDNA , these Adamanese people also exist because of their mtDNA migration not just their Y-DNA.

mtDNA M is the most common haplogroup in East Asia, Southeast Asia, India, Pakistan and yet these negroids Adamanese have it at 100%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)

" Due to its great age, haplogroup M is an mtDNA lineage which does not correspond well to present-day ethnic groups. It is found among Siberian, Native American, East Asian, Southeast Asian, Central Asian, South Asian, Melanesian, European, Northeast African, and various Middle Eastern populations at varying frequencies. "

[Rethel]

I'm contradicting your points.

No, you are not.
Often you also too often change your mind depending what you
actually find on interent, so the more you write, the more I dont
consider it as worthy. No offense, but it looks like that, and even
do not read - as many. Try to be more briefly, coherent and concret.


You want to say haplogroup D is negritid, WHY ?

1. Becasue basal is among negrites.
2. Becasue it is only (only relevant) hg among negrites.
3. Because it is related to C who is also dark, and rest african hgs.


Do you have evidence that D was originally negroid.

As above.


You only say this because the Adamanese are some humans existed 26,000 years ago with their migration from Africa to Asia.

:picard1:


How would you know D was originally negroid, do you agree that E was originally negroid aswell?

E was originaly dark, as dark are Natufians, Egyptians and Berbers, and as majority of related to it hgs are.
The level of darkness is irrelevant, becasue every tribe was developing separatly and differently.


Y-DNA haplogroup D is not the only haplogroup that these Adamanese have

But they have main D subclade, and it is huge majority.
They have also some P which have also negritios from Philippines.


it in 100%, their mtDNA M haplogroup is also 100%
So if their haplogroup D originally negroid than so is their mtDNA M

Did I say something about M?
I don;t care about it.


Are you ready to claim mtDNA M is also negroid origin?

Why should I be, if I didn;t say anything about it?

mt hgs often do not have one particular origin, because women did not make tribes.

[ButlerKing]

No, you are not.
Often you also too often change your mind depending what you
actually find on interent, so the more you write, the more I dont
consider it as worthy. No offense, but it looks like that, and even
do not read - as many. Try to be more briefly, coherent and concret.

Hahaha, you can't even spell correct.

You cannot refute what I find. You always talk what you believe most.




E was originaly dark, as dark are Natufians, Egyptians and Berbers, and as majority of related to it hgs are.
The level of darkness is irrelevant, becasue every tribe was developing separatly and differently.

So you're telling me haplogroup E is not negroid but haplogroup D is ? Natufians, Egyptians, Berbers is nowhere as dark as Bantu Africans.



But they have main D subclade, and it is huge majority.
They have also some P which have also negritios from Philippines.

The only Negritoes with haplogroup D is the Jawara people, the other Negritoes from Southeast Asia and India have none of that D haplogroup.




Did I say something about M?
I don;t care about it.

This tells me you only study their Y-DNA and not their mtDNA.

mtDNA M is 100x bigger in Asia than Y-DNA D. If you think the origin of D is negroid than the same would go with M.



In other words is like saying 1/3 to 3/4 of people of Asia have negritid origin markers if you include both D and M.



Why should I be, if I didn;t say anything about it?

mt hgs often do not have one particular origin, because women did not make tribes.

That's exactly the problem. People like you think you know a lot but reality is you sometimes lack commonsense and logic.

mtDNA make up at least 50% of our DNA some even say as much as 70%. Adamanese like Jarawa are 100% Australoid by DNA and than's due both of their Y-DNA and mtDNA. So you're making big mistake not including mtDNA in the discussion.

[LoLeL]

Did you post this thread to prove Central Asia is a very mixed region?

[ButlerKing]

Did you post this thread to prove Central Asia is a very mixed region?


We all already know Central Asia is mixed even without DNA study.

I just want people to challenge my claims.

[Rethel]

Hahaha, you can't even spell correct.

It is very relevant argument... :picard2:
Am I native, that I must spealling correctly?
Did you ever learn foreing langauge on such
level on your own through 4 years and was
you spealing correctly in english-like-freaking
orthography writing quickly inter breaks?


So you're telling me haplogroup E is not negroid but haplogroup D is ?

Where I said, that E is not negroid, or that D is?


Natufians, Egyptians, Berbers is nowhere as dark as Bantu Africans.

I said, they are dark.
Natufians were very dark.
Nut not negroes.


The only Negritoes with haplogroup D is the Jawara people, the other Negritoes from Southeast Asia and India have none of that D haplogroup.

It doesn;t matter, becasue negritos were not only D.
But Andamanese are, and they are basal D.


This tells me you only study their Y-DNA and not their mtDNA.
mtDNA M is 100x bigger in Asia than Y-DNA D. If you think the origin of D is negroid than the same would go with M.
In other words is like saying 1/3 to 3/4 of people of Asia have negritid origin markers if you include both D and M.

:picard2:


mtDNA make up at least 50% of our DNA some even say as much as 70%.

:picard2:


Adamanese like Jarawa are 100% Australoid by DNA and than's due both of their Y-DNA and mtDNA. So you're making big mistake not including mtDNA in the discussion.

Becasue I am talking about Y.
Mt can be sometimes helpfull, but only sometimes.

[Rethel]

If D and C is not Negrito or veddo-ainoid, you must answer the
question: who are negrito in type of andamanese who are original
ainu, who are bengali and other southasian C... aso...

All C, exept mongolian, isveddoid to some degree,
what strongly suggest, that mongolian C was like
that also, especially, that is very rare and mostly
young in northern Asia.

[ButlerKing]

It is very relevant argument... :picard2:
Am I native, that I must spealling correctly?
Did you ever learn foreing langauge on such
level on your own through 4 years and was
you spealing correctly in english-like-freaking
orthography writing quickly inter breaks?

True, the incorrect spelling is nothing of importance.



Where I said, that E is not negroid, or that D is?

Your examples of Natufians, Egyptians, Berbers are just dark skin Caucasians, none of them are Negroid.



I said, they are dark.
Natufians were very dark.
Nut not negroes.

Not Negroes ? tell it to this map distribution of Y-DNA E

Haplogroup DE is both D and E. How you're to going claim D have negritid origin but not E.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Y_Haplogroup_E.PNG



It doesn;t matter, becasue negritos were not only D.
But Andamanese are, and they are basal D.


If Y-DNA D is the basal of Adamanese than so is mtDNA M, can you explain why it's the case for D but not M?




:picard2:



:picard2:

I don't understand the facepalms or is it because you cannot answer?


I ask you, why is Y-DNA D negritid origin but not mtDNA M ?





Becasue I am talking about Y.
Mt can be sometimes helpfull, but only sometimes.

I'm just trying to make you understand how ridiculous your believes are. Let's not make outlandish claims anymore.

[ButlerKing]

If D and C is not Negrito or veddo-ainoid, you must answer the
question: who are negrito in type of andamanese who are original
ainu, who are bengali and other southasian C... aso...

All C, exept mongolian, isveddoid to some degree,
what strongly suggest, that mongolian C was like
that also, especially, that is very rare and mostly
young in northern Asia.

What ? did you learned this type of nonsense through that amateur lunatic blogger Genetik ??? What do you mean when you said " negrito in type of andamanese who are original
ainu, who are bengali and other southasian C "

How would I know.


The only thing I KNOW 100% FOR SURE.

Adamanese male ancestor is D and female ancestor is M.


Here is 3 facts for you

1) All Mongoloids with haplogroup C show 0% Australoid/Veddoid admixture

2) Most Mongoloid with large percent of C show 100% Mongoloid autosomal DNA

3) It is Mongoloids who have the most haplogroup C in the world. There are like 200 million Mongoloids with Haplogroup C

Haplogroup C

54% of 11 million Mongolian
27% of 10 million Manchus
60% of 11 milion Kazakhs
16.5% of 50 million South Koreans
21% of 24 million North Koreans
12.5% of 89 million Vietnamese
23.5% of 8 million Han Chinese from Xian
6% to 12% of all 1.3 billion Han Chinese ( that's like roughly 69 million to 154 million )


Now tell me the number of Australoids and South Asian with C.

[Rethel]

Butlerking,

I would prefer, if you will focuse on that what I actually said,
becasue you have a paralel discuss which only sometimes has
something to do with that what I had said. And if you do not
like my spelling, why you bother talking with me? I have no
willing to third or fourth time correcting you, that I was saying
such and such thing.

But certainy, Aboriginals, Ainu, Bengalis of Andamanese weren't
mongoloids at the begining, but even if they would be, you would
have to show, who was originaly "them" but this, as any other things
which I asked you, you can;t do. And if you cannot understand, that
some haplotypes can change a race being in minority not lefting any
aDNA after thousands of years, then it is senless to trying to convinst
you to anything. I am only curious what theory you created in next
week - you are sometimes so changeable, that it is fun :)

[ButlerKing]

Butlerking,

I would prefer, if you will focuse on that what I actually said,
becasue you have a paralel discuss which only sometimes has
something to do with that what I had said. And if you do not
like my spelling, why you bother talking with me? I have no
willing to third or fourth time correcting you, that I was saying
such and such thing.

But certainy, Aboriginals, Ainu, Bengalis of Andamanese weren't
mongoloids at the begining, but even if they would be, you would
have to show, who was originaly "them" but this, as any other things
which I asked you, you can;t do. And if you cannot understand, that
some haplotypes can change a race being in minority not lefting any
aDNA after thousands of years, then it is senless to trying to convinst
you to anything. I am only curious what theory you created in next
week - you are sometimes so changeable, that it is fun :)

Now you're just making excuses for something you cannot answer. Anyway I have I have nothing against you, I just can't stand some people making outlandish claims without any true evidence.


Adamanese paternal ancestors are D and maternal ancestors are M. Both of them originated from Africa and migrated to Asia.

You're delusional if you think Y-DNA edit: and mtDNA did not accompanied eachother.

[Rethel]

Now you're just making excuses for something you cannot answer. Anyway I have I have nothing against you, I just can't stand some people making outlandish claims without any true evidence.

You are aware, that your changing ideas makes in
that moment your proofs under very deep doubt?


Adamanese paternal ancestors are D and maternal ancestors are M. Both of them originated from Africa and migrated to Asia.

Ok, so Andamaneses never were yellow, yes?
So if they carry basal D, ancestral to the rest,
how the rest could be originally mongoloid?


You're delusional if you think Y-DNA

And I have the problems with english,
when native speaks such gibberish... :laugh:

[ButlerKing]

You are aware, that your changing ideas makes in
that moment your proofs under very deep doubt?


Ok, so Andamaneses never were yellow, yes?
So if they carry basal D, ancestral to the rest,
how the rest could be originally mongoloid?



And I have the problems with english,
when native speaks such gibberish... :laugh:

I like how you try not answer anything on mtDNA M.

They were never white, never yellow , never Indian, NEVER negroid either. The humans who carried D could have looked like some weird ass homosapiens as they migrated they morphed to their envrioments. Where's evidence that first humans who carried D dna was some kind of negroid looking human.

Do you honestly think the ancestors of Ainu morphed from negroid to it's Caucasian looking form today ? NO. The ancestors Ainu were the Jomon and their remains shows Ainu (the pure-bred ones ) indicate nothing similar to negroid but to Jomons. The Jomon existed long before the Ainu but a physical correlation can be seen even today.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ro0z0l.jpg




And I have the problems with english,
when native speaks such gibberish... :laugh:

Well I'm sorry, I accidentally edited out the part I wrote.

I was mean't to say " You're delusional if you think Y-DNA and mtDNA did not accompanied eachother ".

[Voskos]

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

[ButlerKing]

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

Haplogroup N is Mongoloid where as R1a is not Mongoloid however it's been found Mongoloids predating the Turkic language and ethnicity.
The fact that these Part Mongoloid males have R1a buried with Caucasoid females is evidence that Turkic conquerors were both Mongoloid and Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix.


Pazyryk culture

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "



History Unearthed: A Survey of Eighteen Archaeological Sites Throughout the World

" Though almost 3000 miles separate the Scythian Empire from Pazyryk, both belonged to a world shared by peoples of different origins and languages (in one burial the man is of Mongoloid, the woman of Indo-European type) with a common burials of Europoid females and part Mongoloid males. "




Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.


" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural mixed type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641901/tyurk1.jpg

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641909/f-u1.jpg

[Voskos]

Haplogroup N is Mongoloid where as R1a is not Mongoloid however it's been found Mongoloids predating the Turkic language and ethnicity.
The fact that these Part Mongoloid males have R1a buried with Caucasoid females is evidence that Turkic conquerors were both Mongoloid and Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix.


Pazyryk culture

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7] "



History Unearthed: A Survey of Eighteen Archaeological Sites Throughout the World

" Though almost 3000 miles separate the Scythian Empire from Pazyryk, both belonged to a world shared by peoples of different origins and languages (in one burial the man is of Mongoloid, the woman of Indo-European type) with a common burials of Europoid females and part Mongoloid males. "




Anayino culture

Sculptural reconstruction of men Lugovskyi burial
Ananyino culture. Gypsum. MMGerasimov work.


" Reconstruction of the mounds number 5, 6 show burial Stone Barn in racial make women Ural mixed type men - striking features of Central Asian Mongoloid."

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641901/tyurk1.jpg

http://www.imageup.ru/img195/1641909/f-u1.jpg

Yeah Pazyryk were basically caucasoids with some mongoloid introgression. Scythian R1a mixing with Mongoloid N is what gave rise to proto-Turkic ethnic groups.

[ButlerKing]

Yeah Pazyryk were basically caucasoids with some mongoloid introgression. Scythian R1a mixing with Mongoloid N is what gave rise to proto-Turkic ethnic groups.

They are predominant Caucasoids because the females are Caucasoids and the males are also Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix.

[Rethel]

only N, R1a are Turkic. The rest are Mongoloid and got Turkified later on.

:picard1:

[Catholic Riffs]

What haplogroup do Turks in Europe belong to? I sincerely doubt its one of the asiatic y-dna's..

[ButlerKing]

What haplogroup do Turks in Europe belong to? I sincerely doubt its one of the asiatic y-dna's..


If they are Turks from the Middle east than it could be very different

If they are from Turkey than their haplogroups would be similar to those from Turkey.


Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people[edit]

Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people.[7]

According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[7] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 – 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a – 1%.



Some of the percentages identified were:[7]


J2=24% - J2 (M172)[7] Typical of Mediterranean, Caucasian, Western and Central Asian populations.[23]
R1b=14.7%[7] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages.
G=10.9%[7] – Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
E3b-M35=10.7%[7] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[24] Haplogroup E-M123 is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
J1=9%[7] – Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
R1a=6.9%[7] – Common in various Central Asian, Indian, Central- and Eastern European populations.
I=5.3%[7] – Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
K=4.5%[7] – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L=4.2%[7] – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N=3.8%[7] – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T=2.5%[7] – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q=1.9%[7] – Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
C=1.3%[7] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
R2=0.96% [7] – Typical of South Asian population

Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a, O, R1*.


The Mongoloid Asiatic ones would be C, Q, O. N. The Indian one is R2 but L in Turkey could be partly Indian.

[Proto-Shaman]

haplogroup DE is proto-Turkic, too. its ancient Turanian.

[Rethel]

haplogroup DE is proto-Turkic, too. its ancient Turanian.

Say simply that whole alphabet is turkic. It will be easier for you :)