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Peterski
12-08-2016, 02:00 AM
The Chachapoyas, "Warriors of the Clouds", from the borderland of Peru and Ecuador (Amazonas):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonas_Region

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chachapoya_culture


The Chachapoyas, also called the "Warriors of the Clouds", was a culture of Andes living in the cloud forests of the Amazonas Region of present-day Peru. The Inca Empire conquered their civilization shortly before the Spanish conquest in the 16th century. At the time of the arrival of the conquistadors, the Chachapoyas were one of the many nations ruled by the Incas, although their incorporation had been difficult due to their constant resistance to Inca troops. Since the Incas and conquistadors were the principal sources of information on the Chachapoyas, there is little first-hand or contrasting knowledge of the Chachapoyas. Writings by the major chroniclers of the time, such as Inca Garcilaso de la Vega, were based on fragmentary second-hand accounts. Much of what we do know about the Chachapoyas culture is based on archaeological evidence from ruins, pottery, tombs and other artifacts. Spanish chronicler Pedro Cieza de León noted that, after their annexation to the Inca Empire, they adopted customs imposed by the Cusco-based Inca. (...)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=warriors+of+the+clouds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGf0JIat0s

I uploaded a sample of ancient Chachapoya DNA to GEDmatch (kit number Z713184).

Then I made a PCA graph based on admixtures from MDLP World-22 calculator.

But when it comes to modern mixed populations, I took into account only proportions of Native American admixtures (there are several different Native American admixtures in that calculator).

Guess whose Native American ancestors were very similar to ancient Chachapoyas?:

Large size graph: http://i.imgur.com/C8bTl5j.png

http://i.imgur.com/C8bTl5j.png

And Potentia's native ancestry is very similar to Mayans and indigenous Mexicans:

Kum = Kumiai tribe
Coch = Cochimi tribe

Large size graph: http://i.imgur.com/hcPl9XM.png

http://i.imgur.com/hcPl9XM.png

Friends of Oliver Society
12-08-2016, 03:59 AM
Like the Warriors of the Clouds CrazyDaisy is also a mystery.

alpha
12-08-2016, 04:27 AM
lol people should call her chachapoya now.

Kriptc06
12-08-2016, 12:33 PM
that gave me an idea you should make a chart of TAs members DNA results and compare whos closer to whom, that would be awesome :rolleyes:

Rethel
12-08-2016, 01:15 PM
How am I a mystery?

Noone knows where are you from: from Germany, Spain or England.

Norse
12-08-2016, 08:53 PM
Those were Nordic people who later settled Easter Island.

Potentia
12-08-2016, 11:14 PM
Nice! That is pretty awesome, Litvin!

Mah Native Ancestry is stronk. I'm proud to be Meso-American.

Peterski
12-08-2016, 11:42 PM
Those were Nordic people who later settled Easter Island.

LOL. No, their genetics was fully Amerindian (and Easter Islanders were Polynesian).

I uploaded few Chachapoya samples to DNA.Land as well, and they are Native American + Amazonian + some Northeast Asian (Siberian or Nganasan). Some minor East African also shows up, but it is probably just noise (or traces of Out-of-Africa). One sample also shows some Kalash, but it must be shared ancestry. I think that they had more of Amazonian admixture than most of other groups in the Incan Empire.

Peterski
12-08-2016, 11:49 PM
Nice! That is pretty awesome, Litvin!

Mah Native Ancestry is stronk. I'm proud to be Meso-American.

It seems that all of Native Meso-Americans were similar to each other.

Probably because it was a relatively small and densely populated region.

Grab the Gauge
12-08-2016, 11:54 PM
LOL. No, their genetics was fully Amerindian (and Easter Islanders were Polynesian).

I uploaded few Chachapoya samples to DNA.Land as well, and they are Native American + Amazonian + some Northeast Asian (Siberian or Nganasan). Some minor East African also shows up, but it is probably just noise (or traces of Out-of-Africa). One sample also shows some Kalash, but it must be shared ancestry. I think that they had more of Amazonian admixture than most of other groups in the Incan Empire.

Modern East Africans have nothing to do with the element that was in East Africa and the Levant +100,000 years ago. Please face it Litvin, it isn't noise, it's Angry Negrito.

Peterski
12-08-2016, 11:56 PM
Please face it Litvin, it isn't noise, it's Angry Negrito.

Bwahahahahaha! Well, maybe.

Norse
12-08-2016, 11:58 PM
LOL. No, their genetics was fully Amerindian (and Easter Islanders were Polynesian).

Yeah sure. Just like if you do DNA testing on remains found during imperial India, you will find only subcontinent DNA, that doesn't mean India wasn't ruled by Britain.

Peterski
12-09-2016, 12:08 AM
Yeah sure. Just like if you do DNA testing on remains found during imperial India, you will find only subcontinent DNA, that doesn't mean India wasn't ruled by Britain.

Well - at least some samples should show evidence of "Nordic" admixture if you were right. I uploaded few samples (not just one). All samples which have good quality do not show any "foreign" things. And low quality samples cannot be trusted (they show strange things, but no any "Nordic" admixture anyway).

Just because one Spaniard described them as light-skinned does not mean, that they were "Nordic". Note that some of Native Americans have naturally lighter skin than some of Spanish people. Example:

1) This guy is fully Spanish:

http://cdn.20m.es/img/2009/06/25/975730.jpg?v=20101112192812
http://fotos00.levante-emv.com/fotos/noticias/318x200/2009-07-16_IMG_2009-07-09_00.11.13__JV011CV001.jpg.jpg

2) She is fully Native American:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12eckFp2tM

Who has lighter skin ???

Potentia
12-09-2016, 12:55 AM
It seems that all of Native Meso-Americans were similar to each other.

Probably because it was a relatively small and densely populated region.

Very true. It was also, debatably, the most advanced region of the Americas.