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Myanthropologies
12-08-2016, 10:17 PM
As I have promised another member on the forum, I am making a thread dedicated to the Tajiks of Afghanistan. I meant to do this awhile ago, but I have been busy with college cause it's finals week. I will be discussing both regular Afghan Tajiks and Pamiri Speaking Afghan Tajiks

Afghan Tajiks

Like the Pashtuns, Afghan & Pamiri Tajiks are a people who are of Eastern Iranian descent. They are the closest ethnic group to Pashtuns in terms of everything. Regular Afghan Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi called "Dari," which is different from the dialect used in Iran. Due to the high population of Tajiks and other Dari speaking people in Afghanistan, Dari is one of two officially recognized languages of Afghanistan, with Pashto being the other. On the other hand, Pamiri Tajiks speak Pamiri, another Eastern Iranian langauge that is closest to Pashto. Afghan Pashtun - Tajik marriages are extremely common in Afghanistan. Afghan and Pamiri Tajiks are known for their extreme hospitality. They are every polite to tourists and guests and love attending to their needs. They will make sure you enjoy your time and eat yummy afghan food.

Phenotype

Like the Afghan Pashtuns, the Afghan Tajiks tend to be either light olive skinned or pale skinned (though some are pretty dark too). The hair is general dark brown or black, however, a significant amount of people (probably like 10%) of both Pamiri and Afghan Tajiks have blonde hair, and another significant percentage can have red hair. The eyes are commonly either brown, hazel, or green. However, some have blue and grey eyes as well. Afghan & Pamiri Tajiks and Afghan Pashtuns blend in with each other. The phenotypes are typically either Irano-Afghan, Pamirid, and Asiatic Alpine. However, some look Dinaro-Pontid, Nord-Indid, and East Asian influenced (Turanid?) as well. Here are photos of Afghan Tajiks:

(This is a mixture of Pashtuns and Tajiks)
http://gdb.rferl.org/6006E3BA-FC85-4BFF-953B-84F7C53A28BC_w987_r1_s.jpg

All Tajik photos:

http://www.theismaili.org/ismaili/sites/ismaili/files/4457.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fc/6d/f5/fc6df5b3e767f18fe7f2f2866475d790.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/10/44/bf1044727a56c302bb2edd653d0929c7.jpg
http://www.nomaddancers.com/images-bio/Lalu-Labatro_sml.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKE4Xbs3CGfYwLAv4AO0CPPSKArB3fe lL0LAMRUoEzipJZPM-UWg

Pamiri Tajiks:
http://www.pamirtours.tj/userfiles/clauses/medium/4_img-post.jpg
http://pamirtimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/baba-ghundi.jpeg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4N7gomy7JXU/TlR35UiOJyI/AAAAAAAAAnk/4Qd5FxvV9q4/s1600/Pamiri+faces+6.jpg
http://www.theismaili.org/ismaili/sites/ismaili/files/2031.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRy6bWuMqWQfUFuTpM6c-hm1ScUukftjrASkIx7nMQiTJ6tBhFC

Culture

Since Tajiks are an Iranian people, they celebrate Iranian holidays like Norwuz. Additionally, since they are Iranian, most of their culture is obviously Iranian influenced. However, their is Central Asian Turkic influence in their culture, as well as Indian, Greek, Macedonian, and so on. Here are some videos of Afghan Tajik weddings and dances so that you get a taste of the culture:

Songs (the first and second involve pashtuns too though):

https://youtu.be/Kt_C_wUXvR4

https://youtu.be/u2mSMQTA3TM

https://youtu.be/6uXdv9BS_fE

https://youtu.be/1649BRztyjA

Dances:

(Most of these dances are also traditional pashtun dances as well):

https://youtu.be/8WPJ3YSPL5o

https://youtu.be/hNZOSga76EU

https://youtu.be/7IMQ_1weG7w

Oh look. They all have hair like mine! LOL

https://youtu.be/-6qYqOfQDY0

Religion

Most Afghan Tajiks are Sunni Muskim, but some are Shiah as well. There are probably some atheists too (there are some everywhere).

Food

FOOD!!!! No food is better than Afghan food imo. The best kebabs, the best rice, the best naan. I love love afghan food. If I ever meet one of you guys in person, I will buy you afghan food because it's amazing. Afghan Tajik food is mostly similar to Afghan Pashtun food. Our dishes are mostly Iranian with some Central Asian, Russian, and Indian influence.

You'd be surprised to find out that Afghans share common dishes with people from India to Ethiopia to Albania to Turkey to Greece to Israel to Macedonia. The perks of being at a crossroads are pretty awesome.

A few of the main dishes:

Chicken kebab:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwi36tARHtB0kylv4WH0CkpY0DdhTdN 4mUeRc-zklrT370rPzcRQ

Chicken kebab with naan and rice is the best and most classical Afghan dish. We share this dish with Persians, Turks, and Greeks. However, Afghans make it the best cause it's their signature dish ;).

Qabuli Palao:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_KSeRdrqyej9f51c9safyUaT4PMAq2 HzkCyQdUwQuiz2wrjP4

Another signature dish that originated in Afghanistan. It consists of rice with cooked shredded carrots and raisins. It's usually served with chicken and kafte (beef) kebab, along with naan of course. I've found that Jews also make this dish on Rosh Hashana a apparently.

Ashak:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqMMyDVgE8JHycweLCqRTXOGMlC41Tb Nng-BU943efZofQ2M-tFg

This is another really good dish. Ashak is an Afghan dish made of pasta dumplings filled with scallion, with a tomato sauce, topped with yogurt and dried mint.

Parakee (probably spelled that wrong)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/83/87/f7/8387f7ea6099dc7359d2d928c47bdc2d.jpg

This is a dish that is kinda like a qeusadilla, but it's not. Instead of cheese and chicken, it has either Spinach or Potatoes. You dip it in chutni (a spicy spinach dip from india), or mastae (plain yogurt). My mom jokingly calls it "Afghan Pizza." This dish is shared with Central Asian countries like Uzbekistan.

Aush:

http://caravanistan.com/wp-
content/uploads/2016/03/osh-soup_Jamila.jpg
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_982w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/11/21/Food/Images/PlateLab_1214_AuschSoupWithYogurt.jpg

A great recipe to learn. It is a really nice dish, especially to feed to those who are feeling sick. It is a traditional afghan soup.

Here is the recipe

OR THE SOUP
1 or 2 medium Roma tomatoes, coarsely chopped (do not use canned)
1/2 small red onion
Leaves and tender stems of 2 or 3 stems cilantro, plus chopped cilantro for garnish
2 cloves garlic, coarsely chopped
1/2 jalapeņo pepper (not seeded)
1 rib celery, cut into chunks
1/4 cup olive oil
2 tablespoons tomato paste
2 teaspoons ground turmeric
1 teaspoon salt, plus more as needed
1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper, or more as needed
1/2 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
15 ounces canned, no-salt-added chickpeas, drained and rinsed
1 1/2 cups frozen mixed vegetables (such as a combination of green beans, peas, lima beans, corn and carrots)
1 cup frozen chopped spinach (may substitute packed 2 1/2 cups fresh baby spinach)
6 cups water, or more as needed
2 ounces dried, flat wheat noodles (ash; see headnote)
1 tablespoon chopped fresh dill
1 teaspoon dried mint
1/2 teaspoon ground coriander
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1 cup plain, whole-milk yogurt
1 1/2 teaspoons ground sumac (optional)
FOR THE OPTIONAL TOPPING
4 tablespoons plain whole-milk yogurt
1 tablespoon minced cilantro
1 tablespoon minced jalapeņo pepper
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice

Snacks:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGTgF6A20ojBXCbBQBAy0rPLHpahyDv dLCizaN7rc3Rsee7HiS

When I was in high school, I used to come home and eat Paneer Cheese with raisins and drink tea while doing my homework on some days. It's very healthy compared to other cheese, and it's delicious. Persians and Afghans dig this stuff, but I think it comes from India :). Indians know how to make it realllyyyyy well too.

Myanthropologies
12-08-2016, 10:18 PM
Dessert

I'll start out with Jelabi:

http://static.bitlanders.com/users/galleries//270890/250px-Jalebi_2_fa_thumb_medium.jpg

Jelabi is like a funnel cake in the shape of a pretzel. The difference is that it's soaked in some kind of syrup and rosewater instead of having powdered sugar dashed all over it. It's really delicious, but your hands get really sticky and messy when you eat it lol. Outside of Afghanistan, you will find this dish in India, Bangladesh, various Middle Eastern countries, Ethiopia, and North Africa.

Baklava:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/3d/60/a63d606913ee48bbe3105fe92c34b839.jpg

Baklava is one of my favorite desserts. Afghan Tajiks and Afghan Pashtuns love Baklava. It's a pastry with syrup & homey that has chopped nuts inside. I think this dish originates with the Turks. Lots of Middle Easterners, South Asians, and some South Europeans also seem to enjoy this dessert because I believe you can find it in a lot of markets in all of the aforementioned areas.

Then there are the famous signature afghan cream filled pastry treats

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Cna9qW4QL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Tooting Carmen
12-08-2016, 10:22 PM
Most of them look just like Iranians. What is noticeable is how lighter Iranic people often can pass in the Caucasus and sometimes even the Balkans.

crazyladybutterfly
12-08-2016, 10:29 PM
you made me want to go in afghanistan

Seya
12-08-2016, 10:30 PM
i remember the food in Tajikistan being so damn good!! :lovehearts:

we also have Baklava here. i love it

Bell Beaker
12-08-2016, 10:32 PM
They look like light Gypos.

'owight Gavnah
12-08-2016, 10:52 PM
They look like light Gypos.

Stfu You piece of shit, your meant to be "Portuguese" yet these people look ten times light than you lmao. And no your not 187cm you midget. Keep your negativity out of this thread you Mongrel.

Edit: I swear to god you legit look North African lol. Portuguese? Yeah sure no problem why not.

Hadouken
12-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Tajiks are one of the people I am most interested in as I said

thank you for this thread :)

'owight Gavnah
12-08-2016, 10:55 PM
Myanthro, that song that says afghan Tajik wedding 2016 is the one!!!! That song loooool every afghan knows that one hahah

Tooting Carmen
12-08-2016, 11:00 PM
Could we please avoid turning this into yet another "Muh peepul iz whyter dan yours" thread?

Hadouken
12-08-2016, 11:06 PM
Most of them look just like Iranians. What is noticeable is how lighter Iranic people often can pass in the Caucasus and sometimes even the Balkans.

I seem to have been talking for nothing . there is no uniform "iranic people" ...there are big differences .

2. "iranic people" have a lot of caucasus hunter gatherer genes

3. implying that there are no "dark" (however you define this) Caucasus and Balkan people :rolleyes:


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make such comments and then when people discuss such stupid stuff as whiteness you say "Could we please avoid turning this into yet another "Muh peepul iz whyter dan yours" thread?"

as if you dont do this on purpose

Tooting Carmen
12-08-2016, 11:10 PM
I seem to have been talking for nothing . there is no uniform "iranic people" ...there are big differences .

2. "iranic people" have a lot of caucasus hunter gatherer genes

3. implying that there are no "dark" (however you define this) Caucasus and Balkan people :rolleyes:


--

make such comments and then when people discuss such stupid stuff as whiteness you say "Could we please avoid turning this into yet another "Muh peepul iz whyter dan yours" thread?"

as if you dont do this on purpose

I was referring to the incipient argument between Big Smoke and Owright Govnah. Anyway, I know that Afghanistan and Iran have lots of different ethnic groups, but it is noticeable how there is a small but significant continuum all the way from Zagreb to Kabul. By contrast, imo lighter Levantines and Arab groups tend to resemble Cypriots and even sometimes Southern Italians and Maltese more than they do Caucasians and Balkanites.

'owight Gavnah
12-08-2016, 11:11 PM
I was referring to the incipient argument between Big Smoke and Owright Govnah. Anyway, I know that Afghanistan and Iran have lots of different ethnic groups, but it is noticeable how there is a small but significant continuum all the way from Zagreb to Kabul. By contrast, imo lighter Levantines and Arab groups tend to resemble Cypriots and even sometimes Southern Italians and Maltese more than they do Caucasians and Balkanites.
The North African called us "light gypos". Tell him to keep schtum and avoid bringing negativity into this wonderful thread.

Afghanistan do have different ethnic groups, but the main ones are Pashtuns and Tajiks.

Charles Bronson
12-08-2016, 11:12 PM
IM THE MOST WHITE PEOPLE HERE ON THIS SITE YOUR OWDs.

Hadouken
12-08-2016, 11:15 PM
I was referring to the incipient argument between Big Smoke and Owright Govnah. Anyway, I know that Afghanistan and Iran have lots of different ethnic groups, but it is noticeable how there is a small but significant continuum all the way from Zagreb to Kabul. By contrast, imo lighter Levantines and Arab groups tend to resemble Cypriots and even sometimes Southern Italians and Maltese more than they do Caucasians and Balkanites.

I dont think it is possible to generalize this . it depends on the person how he/she looks . such statements are mostly a result of biased thoughts ...aka ..."oh south italians get Lebanese sometimes in their oracle , cpyrus is next to the levant , iran borders the caucasus , caucasus people often look like balkan people , so "light" levantines look south italian and cypriot (as if cypriots are sooo light yeah :D ) and light "iranic pepuul" look balkan!"

I respect your opinion though of course. but I noticed that some thoughts will actually never change ...it is impossible . the only way to solve such ignorance (I dont mean you but talking in general) is to meet many people of different ethnicities and even better to travel

Tooting Carmen
12-08-2016, 11:18 PM
I dont think it is possible to generalize this . it depends on the person how he/she looks . such statements are mostly a result of biased thoughts ...aka ..."oh south italians get Lebanese sometimes in their oracle , cpyrus is next to the levant , iran borders the caucasus , caucasus people often look like balkan people , so "light" levantines look south italian and cypriot (as if cypriots are sooo light yeah :D ) and light "iranic pepuul" look balkan!"

I respect your opinion though of course. but I noticed that some thoughts will actually never change ...it is impossible . the only way to solve such ignorance (I dont mean you but talking in general) is to meet many people of different ethnicities and even better to travel

OK I get what you're saying, but I still think that Iranians and Afghans are mostly quite easy to distinguish from Arab groups - be they Levantines, Iraqis or Gulf Arabs - and instead look more like Caucasus people a lot of the time.

Hadouken
12-08-2016, 11:19 PM
OK I get what you're saying, but I still think that Iranians and Afghans are mostly quite easy to distinguish from Arab groups - be they Levantines, Iraqis or Gulf Arabs - and instead look more like Caucasus people a lot of the time.

well I cant agree on this because my opinion is different

'owight Gavnah
12-08-2016, 11:23 PM
well I cant agree on this because my opinion is different

I think he means the "lighter" phenotypes.

Registan
12-08-2016, 11:23 PM
The first pic is made up of participants in the Tajikistan civil war actually. Here are some Afghan Tajik public figures (politicians, singers, writers, journalists, actors, etc).

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12662422_991369170945226_3996878845059297300_n.jpg ?oh=68e89acec9a788b5614ce9c7afcdd24a&oe=58A69E0E

http://i.imgur.com/VHxI1PG.jpg


http://www.pajhwok.com/sites/pajhwok.com/files/styles/photo_content_type/public/photo/2011/8/%20%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%20080803%20LF%207%20(M edium).jpg?itok=T5u0sknQ

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/ac6673b06c9439a13eb796adab1478ef5c700a94.gif


http://aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2015/10/20/thumbs_b_c_eb61738a9c4ef89506bce1a2119f3a68.jpg


http://www.khaama.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Salahuddin-Rabbani.jpg

http://www.the-south-asian.com/january2006/Hammasa_Kohistani___206146g.jpg

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10368349_1514549238796708_8659550449021101963_o.jp g

http://i.imgur.com/QCa4eN8.jpg

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10418185_557371944394096_6364705131969488857_n.jpg ?oh=546886d11b7bd4a6dba5284064b86973&oe=58C3D530

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jQAa_bA6yzw/TRSGMC1ioKI/AAAAAAAAANU/tLSexneQCaY/s1600/PPzBWyi1eF2l.jpg

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12809688_632770576876344_2086037449230057309_n.jpg ?oh=c34e4f9690dadca7c4bc5b9e7eb57f46&oe=5887DE7F

http://www3.pictures.stylebistro.com/gi/Azita+Ghanizada+Long+Hairstyles+Layered+Cut+I3XugX TWK8Sx.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f2/51/a0/f251a0e4c0e8c4d9330860b34738f4ac.jpg


http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/external?url=http://content4.video.news.com.au/NDM_-_The_Australian/78/277/yalda_hakim.jpg&width=650&api_key=kq7wnrk4eun47vz9c5xuj3mc

http://advance.uconn.edu/images/hamin02.jpg


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hsvIjA5jv7g/0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000645107081/183c1788d2640c9ed0943cf051e26756.jpeg


http://jomhornews.com/images/docs/000060/n00060948-b.jpg

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/data/upimages/abdul_jabbar_taqwa.jpg

Myanthropologies
12-08-2016, 11:48 PM
Could we please avoid turning this into yet another "Muh peepul iz whyter dan yours" thread?

Yeah I agree. I made this thread to educate and enlighten, not so that people could fight. Let's all ignore any trolls and keep the discussion rolling. I don't see why whiteness is even mentioned in a thread about south-central asians anyways. We're not white :p.

Myanthropologies
12-08-2016, 11:55 PM
OK I get what you're saying, but I still think that Iranians and Afghans are mostly quite easy to distinguish from Arab groups - be they Levantines, Iraqis or Gulf Arabs - and instead look more like Caucasus people a lot of the time.

I agree and disagree with this. Afghanistan and Iran do have more Caucasus types overall than the Levantine does overall (I can't really tell you about which has more balkan phenotypes, since I honestly haven't really seen anyone in the region who has struck me as a Balkan type).

However, some Northern Levantine groups have a lot of Caucasus types present within their phenotypical diversity too. Imo Moody can totally pass as Georgian.

Demhat
12-09-2016, 12:30 AM
Their dances remind me so much of Persian dances. Kurdish dances are quite different which is ironic because Persians are West Iranic and their dance should be more similar to ours.


Persian dances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1tNJAOEPhw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfaNntDsmU

for comparison Kurdish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=279CU-pVILE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4CxONwLCfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3QTsYeWoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdNLxIAjmKw

Demhat
12-09-2016, 12:42 AM
I seem to have been talking for nothing . there is no uniform "iranic people" ...there are big differences .

2. "iranic people" have a lot of caucasus hunter gatherer genes



They have uniformly allot of Iran_Neo ancestry. Is quite similar but not the same. CHG proper ancestry is actually only common in huge frequency among West Iranics. While weaker in South_Central Asians.

Hadouken
12-09-2016, 12:56 AM
They have uniformly allot of Iran_Neo ancestry. Is quite similar but not the same. CHG proper ancestry is actually only common in huge frequency among West Iranics. While weaker in South_Central Asians.

well yes it makes sense also geographically

Hadouken
12-09-2016, 12:58 AM
for comparison Kurdish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4CxONwLCfQ


Dersim !!! my home :lovehearts::o

Myanthropologies
12-09-2016, 02:59 AM
Their dances remind me so much of Persian dances. Kurdish dances are quite different which is ironic because Persians are West Iranic and their dance should be more similar to ours.


Persian dances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1tNJAOEPhw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfaNntDsmU

for comparison Kurdish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=279CU-pVILE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4CxONwLCfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3QTsYeWoU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdNLxIAjmKw

Persians aren't necessarily West Iranics.

Myanthropologies
07-31-2018, 06:19 PM
bump

Kukushka
08-03-2018, 02:56 PM
Handsome afghan-tajik police in Sweden:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51a1cd0ae4b0fa7a57038bee/t/5ac4d2fa562fa70b5ef10b16/1522848523930/Mustafa+uniform-1-13.jpg?format=750w

Sora
08-03-2018, 03:07 PM
I'm mainly interested in Korea, Japan, Kazakhstan and India but I'm also interested in Afghanistan and Pakistan too. Especially Afghans have colourful culture. Every taste are at them. I also want to taste Qaboli Palao, Jelabi and Aush. Btw the women in the family of my cousin's husband makes these foods but I couldn't taste them :( :cry:

Kimbo
08-03-2018, 03:40 PM
bump
What part of Afghanistan is your family from? I've never asked.