I2a/I2a1 once ruled entire Europe - WE WANT IT BACK :D

[Robocop]

Europe 9000-7000 BC, it is obvious that we I2a1 ruled almost every corner of Europe lol, and nowhere else but just in Europe, means true European natives :).


https://s29.postimg.org/8287l06mv/8000_BCE_haplogroups.png

WE WANT EUROPE BACK IN OUR HANDS, ALL OF IT, means you others can stay (you are our European brothers and sisters), but we wanna rule entire Europe AGAIN :D :rotfl

P.S. Oh Rethel will love this thread :D

[Dema]

Im mesolithic Anatolian, fuck yea bitch !

[Catholic Riffs]

.. ?

[frankhammer]

It's over brother. Just keep those daughters coming. We have an R1B for them all.

Regards,

Your fellow European (and conqueror)

[Robocop]

Chill out friends, this was only friendly provocation haha :D

[Potentia]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhEfTqV7dzC9KfK/giphy.gif

[Sockorer]

Europe belongs to us.

[Governor]

Nope, nowadays Europe belongs to J1 and J2.

[Rethel]

Europe belongs to us.

If it is so, why do you speak our language?

[Rethel]

P.S. Oh Rethel will love this thread :D

Yes, at least once, some I* showed some good attitude...
Now there is someone honourable enaugh to talk... I hope :p

[Rethel]

[B]Europe 9000-7000 BC, it is obvious that we I2a1 ruled almost every corner of Europe lol,

Not every corner.
Mostly Central Europe, France and southern Scandia.
And idk if ruled is a good word here. Surly you did inhabit.

[Ülev]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Genetic_landscape_of_Europe_7000_YBP.png

ancient Europe around 7000 YBP was much nicer indeed

(map from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184)

[Peterski]

FORGET IT. :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/JA4zHDeZ1Jib6/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/5m6BMOf.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqK7XXvfiXs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpbjquTQT98

[Rethel]

FORGET IT.

Tak nie na temat a odnoście videła.
Badałeś swego czasu nosy A czy
badałeś skąd są ludzie gadający
dolnymi zębami, jak ten koleś?

[HellLander87]

fuck off i2 cunts.Hitler's direct paternal e v13 cousins are the rightfull masters of europe.

[Rethel]

https://media.giphy.com/media/JA4zHDeZ1Jib6/giphy.gif

Old good times...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7TsrAGUNCA

[cosmoo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Genetic_landscape_of_Europe_7000_YBP.png

ancient Europe around 7000 YBP was much nicer indeed

(map from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184)

HoR1seboys and TraI1tors pushed us out. RIP

[Rethel]

TraI1tors

Don't worry we don't want them :)

BUT: G2 were first who pushed you out. We only avenged you :)

[cosmoo]

Don't worry we don't want them :)

BUT: G2 were first who pushed you out. We only avenged you :)
G2a never penetrated that far north as I1 (who got "Neolitized" by G2a in central Europe) have. :)

[Rethel]

G2a never penetrated that far north as I1 (who got "Neolitized" by G2a in central Europe) have. :)

But in whole Central Europe, Balkans, France, Italy,
British Isles and Spain they did subjugate you...
In Scandia too, becasue Funnelbeakers were fully
anatolian. Wait for Y results and you'll see.

[Kelmendasi]

Never knew J1 was in Europe back then

[jingorex]

sniff..sniff.

muh G...

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKplemq0pdVI4tq/giphy.gif

[cosmoo]

But in whole Central Europe, Balkans, France, Italy,
British Isles and Spain they did subjugate you...
In Scandia too, becasue Funnelbeakers were fully
anatolian. Wait for Y results and you'll see.

Archaeological evidence in most of places (like in Scandinavia) suggests that farmers and hunter-gatherers lived next to each other for more than thousand years before IE invasion, so the word "subjugation" would be out of question.
Plus, I was not really refering to all I2 clades (which obviously were spread all over Europe), but more specifically to I2a1b.

[Dick]

G2a never penetrated that far north as I1 (who got "Neolitized" by G2a in central Europe) have. :)
If the mutation M253 for i1 is supposedly the youngest ydna in europe then who was the boys father. An I2 man? :confused:

[cosmoo]

If the mutation M253 for i1 is supposedly the youngest ydna in europe then who was the boys father. An I2 man? :confused:
It is hypothesised that I1 is old, but that it got severely "bottlenecked" until around 4700 B.C.
Anyways, oldest finding of I1 is in Neolithic Hungary, alongside one G2a. I1 were probably hunter-gatherers in central Europe who experienced massive population boom after shift to agriculture, then migrated north.

[Rethel]

Archaeological evidence in most of places (like in Scandinavia) suggests that farmers and hunter-gatherers lived next to each other for more than thousand years before IE invasion, so the word "subjugation" would be out of question.
Plus, I was not really refering to all I2 clades (which obviously were spread all over Europe), but more specifically to I2a1b.

Alongside, as Abos and Anglos on Antipodes...

[Robocop]

The point remains; everyone except Y-DNA I1, I2a2, I2a1, I2b, I2c (means everyone except I Y-DNA family) please leave Europe, please, just be polite and leave as you came :D.

OR ELSE...

We will take our ATLANTEAN laser rifles and cannons (oh yeah, we still got them, buried under the ground when we came from Atlantis) and it will get messy. :cool:

P.S. Women of non-Y DNA I origin can stay, males must leave, be kind to leave... thank you.

[catgeorge]

:laugh:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You did until R1s raped the piss out of you.

You aren't getting it back - why do you think you would? Europe is mostly R1 now. Only pockets in Scandinavia and the Balkans remain. You can forget about the ones in Scandinavia, they have cucked themselves out of existence.

As for the Balkaniggers, well, they are a strong people, but they are still too small in muber - R1 hordes are just too massive. Europe will never be under I control again.

[Dick]

You did until R1s raped the piss out of you.

You aren't getting it back - why do you think you would? Europe is mostly R1 now. Only pockets in Scandinavia and the Balkans remain. You can forget about the ones in Scandinavia, they have cucked themselves out of existence.

As for the Balkaniggers, well, they are a strong people, but they are still too small in muber - R1 hordes are just too massive. Europe will never be under I control again.

Come at me bro.

[jingorex]

Come at me bro.

nigga, we got dis.

[Wrong]

Slow-twitch Zoomalis got replaced by Fast-twitch Giga-Niggas.

[Dick]

Slow-twitch Zoomalis got replaced by Fast-twitch Giga-Niggas.

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[Wrong]

WHO THE FUCK IS HOWDIE?

[Dick]

WHO THE FUCK IS HOWDIE?

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[Wrong]

NUTTED STR8 INSIDE HER VAGINA RAWDOGG

[Robocop]

You did until R1s raped the piss out of you.

You aren't getting it back - why do you think you would? Europe is mostly R1 now. Only pockets in Scandinavia and the Balkans remain. You can forget about the ones in Scandinavia, they have cucked themselves out of existence.

As for the Balkaniggers, well, they are a strong people, but they are still too small in muber - R1 hordes are just too massive. Europe will never be under I control again.

First of all you R1 (you're R1 right?) falks when came 4500 BC (Eneolithic) - forward you didn't in fact conquer anything except wiped out some minor boring cultures in today Moldavia (Cucuteni-Tripolje), with rest of non-IE cultures you either merged, or made it possible for creation of another cultures (boring cultures) built on those previous non-IE.

And btw, you came here with no style what so ever, you didnt even had metal (copper, first metal in eneolithic) weapons, you had flint(stone) knives, Jesus christ, whenever we find flint knives from around 4000-3400 BC across Europe we know you came there.

No style.

On the other hand non-IE ppl (entire Y-DNA I family) had copper knives, even blades and axes in those times, you came from Ukraine and southern Euro Russia, plz everyone R1... just go back, no style.

About those G2a falks, hm..., pfff, I dont know what to say about them, ok they can stay.

Also take with you those N1c1 ppl, nevermind they were there for 10 000 years, we don't trust them, way too weird.

E-V13 & J2b/J2a (Neolithic falks) can stay, but as our workers, btw we don't want R1 at all, you're too dangerous, this other ones we can handle.

P.S. Y-DNA I family gave one of the best ppl this planet ever saw, It's enough to know that THE KING ELVIS PRESLEY was I2c, enough said.


Leave or you will all dance Jailhouse Rock, in Jails...

There is nothing to talk about, we were here first, that's it, period, we were here first, all of subclades of Y-DNA I haplogroup are chosen people.

Ppl say Jews are chosen ppl, no, we are chosen ppl, what Jews? They will also serve us.

I know you R1 ppl have no manners, we know how you came, but plz, in last 6500 years here you could have learn some manners, so be kind and leave.

:cool: :wavey001:

P.S. (again) Yes, It's true, Y-DNA I family of ppl are not majority anymore, but one Y-DNA I person is worth like ... 20 R1, or more, this is even kind from me. Just leave, thx.

[Ülev]

yes, not a single R1 drop in my blood

[Wrong]

yes, not a single R1 drop in my blood
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Rethel]

The point remains; everyone except Y-DNA I1, I2a2, I2a1, I2b, I2c (means everyone except I Y-DNA family) please leave Europe, please, just be polite and leave as you came

The same can say to you C1 - please go away there where did you come from. Will you do this?

And btw, I will ilustrate you what you seem do not understand.

64539

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64539&d=1491726731

[Rethel]

anything except wiped out some minor boring cultures in today Moldavia (Cucuteni-Tripolje),

So, let decide, nothing, or something? :laugh:

This boring cultures were I2. So, say to us: "thanks!" :)
Thank us, that we freed you from your boringness :laugh:


or made it possible for creation of another cultures

You see, we do not only destroyed, but built something
better in the process, because we are creative :)


And btw, you came here with no style what so ever, you didnt even had metal (copper, first metal in eneolithic) weapons, you had flint(stone) knives,
whenever we find flint knives from around 4000-3400 BC across Europe we know you came there.

You see - so few resources and technology, but
we still were better and more efficient than you... :p


On the other hand non-IE ppl (entire Y-DNA I family) had copper knives, even blades and axes in those times,

Which you were eventually given by MENAs... :laugh:


you came from Ukraine and southern Euro Russia, plz everyone R1... just go back, no style.

Why? We did not left Russia for going back there... Why would we
left anyway, if we would want to go back... it would be illogical...

Are you Potentia 2.0?


About those G2a falks, hm..., pfff, I dont know what to say about them, ok they can stay.

Stockholm syndrome?


Also take with you those N1c1 ppl, nevermind they were there for 10 000 years, we don't trust them, way too weird.

We are not interested in Japs and Pons...


R1 at all, you're too dangerous,

And this is why we will stay :laugh:


Leave or you will all dance Jailhouse Rock, in Jails...[/B]

It was written for jailed I-niggaz... :laugh:


There is nothing to talk about, we were here first, that's it, period, we were here first, all of subclades of Y-DNA I haplogroup are chosen people.


C1 was firster... :p


Ppl say Jews are chosen ppl, no, we are chosen ppl, what Jews? They will also serve us.

If you are chosen and wonderfull why do you not speak your language?

[Bosniensis]

I've said before, advancement in genetics will prove/uncover some things that will shock many.

Western Balkans (from Slovenia to Macedonia) will bring the most surprises.

Just wait and see.

[Kelmendasi]

I've said before, advancement in genetics will prove/uncover some things that will shock many.

Western Balkans (from Slovenia to Macedonia) will bring the most surprises.

Just wait and see.
There already have been genetic studies on them, that show that in terms of Ydna they are in majority Slavic(I2a1b) and in terms of admixture they are a mix of Slavs and natives although they are mainly Slavic

[papa diddy pop]

Nope, nowadays Europe belongs to J1 and J2.
In France, it belongs to the E1b1.

[Ülev]

http://генофонд.рф/wp-content/uploads/2.20.jpg

http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5629


«БАЛКАНСКАЯ» ГАПЛОГРУППА I-Р37

Карта распространения «балканской» гаплогруппы I-Р37 (Рис. 2.20) показывает ее высокие частоты также и в Италии. В целом, эта гаплогруппа распространена практически по всей Европе, кроме Скандинавии. В Восточной Европе плавный градиент убывания ее частоты с юго-запада (с Украины) к северу и востоку очень напоминает карту первой главной компоненты по классическим генетическим маркерам [Рычков и др., 2002]. Также стоит отметить достаточно выраженное совпадение ареала этой гаплогруппы с географическими границами Европы – при высокой частоте в Причерноморье гаплогруппа очень редка на Северном Кавказе и почти отсутствует в Закавказье, а при максимальных частотах на Балканах очень редка в соседней Малой Азии.

=


Balkanic haplogroup I-P37
The map of the distribution of the "Balkan" haplogroup I-P37 (Figure 2.20) shows its high frequencies also in Italy. In general, this haplogroup is distributed practically throughout Europe, except for Scandinavia. In Eastern Europe, the smooth gradient of its frequency decrease from the southwest (from Ukraine) to the north and east is very similar to the map of the first major component by classical genetic markers [Rychkov et al., 2002]. It should also be noted that the range of this haplogroup is fairly pronounced with the geographical borders of Europe - at a high frequency in the Black Sea region haplogroup is very rare in the North Caucasus and is almost absent in Transcaucasia, and at the maximum frequencies in the Balkans is very rare in neighboring Asia Minor.

[Bosniensis]

There already have been genetic studies on them, that show that in terms of Ydna they are in majority Slavic(I2a1b) and in terms of admixture they are a mix of Slavs and natives although they are mainly Slavic

Whatever it is on Balkans it's related only to Poverty and Wars.

Sometimes I wander why are we so unfortunate here...

Poverty, Wars, Slavery... that was our past.. and it looks like it's our future.

:(

[Kelmendasi]

Whatever it is on Balkans it's related only to Poverty and Wars.

Sometimes I wander why are we so unfortunate here...

Poverty, Wars, Slavery... that was our past.. and it looks like it's our future.

:(
True we have suffered a lot tbh

[Ülev]

I2a1 (M26)

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/kerava/I2a1%20wersja%202_zpstx77tkel.jpg

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/kerava/I2a1_zps7ypxptsj.jpg

[cosmoo]

The same can say to you C1 - please go away there where did you come from. Will you do this?

And btw, I will ilustrate you what you seem do not understand.

C1 are not in any way older than I-M170 in Europe. I-M170 was found in the same time a few C1 samples (most likely intrusive elements) were found in Upper Palaeolithic. Plus, I-M170 is clearly confined to Europe, while C is extremely widespread, being present even in Australian Aborigines, so it's clear who's native to Europe.



This boring cultures were I2. So, say to us: "thanks!" :)
Thank us, that we freed you from your boringness :laugh:

Cultures Robocop listed were not I2 (especially not I2a1b, his and mine branch, which was much further north), but Neolithic.

And please, IE didn't conquer shit. They killed off native hunter-gatherer population with animal-transmitted diseases (presumably some pox-like disease), just like majority of northern Native Americans died out thanks to diseases Europeans transmitted to them. You simply couldn't have survived contact with society that practices animal husbandry without being severely decimated by diseases, since you haven't already had genes that made you immune to them.

Plus, farming and husbandry allowed for population size that was several times bigger than that of hunter-gatherers.

So, farming + animal husbandry and immunity to animal-transmitted diseases allowed IE to spread. Not any kind of "superiority" you are dreaming of.

[Robocop]

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...

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http://i.imgur.com/eJUSORw.gif

[Rethel]

http://i.imgur.com/eJUSORw.gif

Hehehe :)

You wish :p

How did you do that? There is some programme?

[Drawing-slim]

http://i.imgur.com/eJUSORw.gif

If trump turns out to be an "I" this would be really funny. But is funny regardless,lol

[Albobalboa]

There already have been genetic studies on them, that show that in terms of Ydna they are in majority Slavic(I2a1b) and in terms of admixture they are a mix of Slavs and natives although they are mainly Slavic

Western Balkans is majority slavic y-dna?

[Kelmendasi]

Western Balkans is majority slavic y-dna?
I was talking about Western Balkans Slavs not Albos, Greeks etc.

[Rethel]

C1 are not in any way older than I-M170 in Europe.

Probably are.


I-M170 was found in the same time a few C1 samples (most likely intrusive elements) were found in Upper Palaeolithic.

No, the oldest are C. Of course this very old chronology is fictional anyway, but if you trust in her, then C is older.


Plus, I-M170 is clearly confined to Europe,

Also nope.
It is ME hg. The biggest diversity is in triangle Abkhazia, Assyria, Cilicia.
In western Irain it is even quarter of all hgs, in Kurdistan 1/5, Abkhazia
1/3 among Dargins even 60%.


while C is extremely widespread, being present even in Australian Aborigines, so it's clear who's native to Europe.

And every place has it's own specific subclade.


Cultures Robocop listed were not I2 (especially not I2a1b, his and mine branch, which was much further north), but Neolithic.

So, which are I2 according to you?


And please, IE didn't conquer shit. They killed off native hunter-gatherer population with animal-transmitted diseases (presumably some pox-like disease), just like majority of northern Native Americans died out thanks to diseases Europeans transmitted to them. You simply couldn't have survived contact with society that practices animal husbandry without being severely decimated by diseases, since you haven't already had genes that made you immune to them.

And? What's the point?

Since that time passed 5000 years, you have enaugh time to
be immune, to farm, to husband, and take care about yourself.


Plus, farming and husbandry allowed for population size that was several times bigger than that of hunter-gatherers.

So, farming + animal husbandry and immunity to animal-transmitted diseases allowed IE to spread. Not any kind of "superiority" you are dreaming of.

Do I dream at all? Please, do not create things.

The fact is, that you speak our language, not we yours,
and the IEs concquered the Globe, not you, or anybody
else. If you have problem with that, keep it to yourself,
and do not try to make me someone which I am not.

[IncelSlayer]

There already have been genetic studies on them, that show that in terms of Ydna they are in majority Slavic(I2a1b) and in terms of admixture they are a mix of Slavs and natives although they are mainly Slavic

in normal context slavic would mean yugoslavs ,however you clearly put slavic and natives in the same sentence with different meaning ,which is wrong.
Yugoslavs are only slavic by language mostly ,I2 is native european haplo unlike your E1 and J ,btw i see you again removed your disgusting jewish J1 haplo from the profile.

[Albobalboa]

I was talking about Western Balkans Slavs not Albos, Greeks etc.

Is that slavic y-dna though? Seems to be pretty native from what I can find on it. Basically going from the balkans eastwards rather than the other way around. I could very well be wrong though.

[Kelmendasi]

Is that slavic y-dna though? Seems to be pretty native from what I can find on it. Basically going from the balkans eastwards rather than the other way around. I could very well be wrong though.
I2a-Din can't be native in the Balkans as it has a TMRCA of 1800 years, meaning that it came to the Balkans via Slavic invasions

[Kelmendasi]

in normal context slavic would mean yugoslavs ,however you clearly put slavic and natives in the same sentence with different meaning ,which is wrong.
Yugoslavs are only slavic by language mostly ,I2 is native european haplo unlike your E1 and J ,btw i see you again removed your disgusting jewish J1 haplo from the profile.
At least I score 100% Euro/Southeast Euro on autosomal something your Turkic ass wouldn't be able to achieve

[IncelSlayer]

I2a-Din can't be native in the Balkans as it has a TMRCA of 1800 years, meaning that it came to the Balkans via Slavic invasions

you're dumb,keep reading.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml

[Deymark]

At least I score 100% Euro/Southeast Euro on autosomal something your Turkic ass wouldn't be able to achieve

Irrelevant.This tests are relative to present populations and genes found.
Phenotype and ydna are the only ones that matter.
Farmer ydna,farmer phenotype => non-white!

pic related probably scores 100% european too.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XwsdUcAiALQ/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAB0/ZnmQzcW5wvs/photo.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

you're dumb,keep reading.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml
You just fucked yourself over hahahaha. "The I2a1b-L147.2 subclade seems to have expanded very fast from 1900 years ago, which is concordant with the timing of the Slavic ethnogenesis", "Nowadays northern Slavic countries have between 9% (Poland, Czech republic) and 21% (Ukraine) of I2a-L621, while southern Slavs have between 20% (Bulgaria) and 50% (Bosnia). The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south is probably just due to another founder effect due to the fact that the South Slavs originated in western Ukraine, where the ratio of I2a to R1a was higher. Virtually all Dinaric I2a falls under the L147.2 branch, and the majority to the S17250 ramification, who descend from a common patrilinear ancestor who lived only 1,800 years ago.". You are the one who should keep reading lol your own statement fucked you over pahahaha

[Kelmendasi]

Irrelevant.This tests are relative to present populations and genes found.
Phenotype and ydna are the only ones that matter.
Farmer ydna,farmer phenotype => non-white!

pic related probably scores 100% european too.

[IM]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XwsdUcAiALQ/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAB0/ZnmQzcW5wvs/photo.jpg[/IMG]
You just say this because you don't score 100% Euro

[Deymark]

You j

No.I2 in balkans is in the mountains, R1a in the plains.It is crystal clear that it exists there before slavs.Other things are just worthless coincidences.Anyway, it shouldnt matter, since I2 existed in Europe before the neolithic trash came, thus all Europe is righfully his, from South to North Europe.Just because some immigrants settled in I2 backyard, it doesnt mean its theirs.
Steppe people never settle in mountainsI2a-Din like all I2 has no relationship with any language, because its not indo-european.Slavs = R1a-m458, r1A-Z280.


You just say this because you don't score 100% Euro

I say this because it's objectively true.Document yourself, arab.

[Rethel]

I2a-Din can't be native in the Balkans as it has a TMRCA of 1800 years, meaning that it came to the Balkans via Slavic invasions

On, 1800 years ago lived a guy on the Balkans, who was the effective founder
of that hg, which mostly could grow in number realatively not so long ago...

But, it doesn't matter, it is OE hg anyway.

[Kelmendasi]

No.I2 in balkans is in the mountains, R1a in the plains.It is crystal clear that it exists there before slavs.Other things are just worthless coincidences.Anyway, it shouldnt matter, since I2 existed in Europe before the neolithic trash came, thus all Europe is righfully his, from South to North Europe.Just because some immigrants settled in I2 backyard, it doesnt mean its theirs.
Steppe people never settle in mountainsI2a-Din like all I2 has no relationship with any language, because its not indo-european.Slavs = R1a-m458, r1A-Z280.



I say this because it's objectively true.Document yourself, arab.
Kl now you apparently know more than Eupedia or other sources that deal with haplogroups lol. Take an autosomal test and we will see if you score 100% Euro.

[IncelSlayer]

You just fucked yourself over hahahaha. "The I2a1b-L147.2 subclade seems to have expanded very fast from 1900 years ago, which is concordant with the timing of the Slavic ethnogenesis", "Nowadays northern Slavic countries have between 9% (Poland, Czech republic) and 21% (Ukraine) of I2a-L621, while southern Slavs have between 20% (Bulgaria) and 50% (Bosnia). The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south is probably just due to another founder effect due to the fact that the South Slavs originated in western Ukraine, where the ratio of I2a to R1a was higher. Virtually all Dinaric I2a falls under the L147.2 branch, and the majority to the S17250 ramification, who descend from a common patrilinear ancestor who lived only 1,800 years ago.". You are the one who should keep reading lol your own statement fucked you over pahahaha

Idiot,"probably" has no place in a scientific debate.
What we know for sure is that the slavic look is strongest in northern croatia and lowest in Bosnia/Montenegro(were I2 is highest).

[Deymark]

Kl now you apparently know more than Eupedia or other sources that deal with haplogroups lol. Take an autosomal test and we will see if you score 100% Euro.

I'm not this insecure.Unlike you, I know I'm fully Euro.

edit: Didnt know that Illyrian-Daco-thracian/Paleo-Balkanite is J1

[Kelmendasi]

On, 1800 years ago lived a guy on the Balkans, who was the effective founder
of that hg, which mostly could grow in number realatively not so long ago...

But, it doesn't matter, it is OE hg anyway.
I doubt very much that it was an Illyrian hg though, probably of Germanic origin before Slavs assimilated it, what do you think?

[IncelSlayer]

I doubt very much that it was an Illyrian hg though, probably of Germanic origin before Slavs assimilated it, what do you think?

The illyrians were a pre-slavic indo-european group,hence they carried R1 mostly and they mixed with the local balkan haplo mainly I2 and resulted the Illyrian Kingdom,just as with dacians and most other european ancient tribes you wont find E or J or farmer swarthy phenotype until their conquest.

[Voskos]

I doubt very much that it was an Illyrian hg though, probably of Germanic origin before Slavs assimilated it, what do you think?

In my opinion Balts were I2 before indoeuropean R1a conquered them.

[Robocop]

Hehehe :)

You wish :p

How did you do that? There is some programme?

Yep :)


If trump turns out to be an "I" this would be really funny. But is funny regardless,lol

:rotfl

[IncelSlayer]

In my opinion Balts were I2 before indoeuropean R1a conquered them.

slavs have nothing to do with i2 ,the ratio of slaving looking people in balkans is inversely proportionally with the I2 .

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

J2 Will take over the world

[Rethel]

:rotfl

Much funnier would be, if he would be J1, especially, that he is involved in jewry...

[Rethel]

J2 Will take over the world

When, and what will be the global language then?

[Voskos]

When, and what will be the global language then?

ebonics

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

When, and what will be the global language then?
After we use haplogroup I to kick out the hordes of R1 to central asia. And then like neolithic times teach all non j2 remnants more advanced farming methods

We will develop a new language of all j2 tribes

[Rethel]

After we use haplogroup I to kick out the hordes of R1 to central asia.

So, you do not know when... :pout:


And then like neolithic times teach all non j2 remnants more advanced farming methods

More, that neolithic or more than present day?


We will develop a new language of all j2 tribes

Which will be of what kind?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

ebonics
-e1b

[cosmoo]

Probably are.
No, the oldest are C. Of course this very old chronology is fictional anyway, but if you trust in her, then C is older.
No, there was not a single period when C was present and I-M170 wasn't. Deal with it.


Also nope.
It is ME hg. The biggest diversity is in triangle Abkhazia, Assyria, Cilicia.
In western Irain it is even quarter of all hgs, in Kurdistan 1/5, Abkhazia
1/3 among Dargins even 60%.

Nope. You can use some minor exceptions, but the fact is that its concentration in Middle East is negligible compared to Europe, and that your Mongol/Amerindian R1 is in general much more common there.
Plus, IJ* was found in Upper Palaeolithic European samples, so IJ* coming to Middle East from Europe and then branching off to J is much more realistic than your theory.

Moreover, Middle East was completely European/Caucasoid racially in UP times, unlike the area (East Asia) from which R1 came.


So, which are I2 according to you?
All hunter-gatherer cultures (from Gravettian up to more modern ones like Komsa, Fosna-Hensbacka, Pitted Ware, etc.).
Cultures Robocop mentioned are mainly Neolithic G2a.


And? What's the point?

Since that time passed 5000 years, you have enaugh time to
be immune, to farm, to husband, and take care about yourself.
I'm talking about initial clash. When IE originally came they were far more numerous thanks to their lifestyle, plus they decimated native population with diseases. Even after switching to farming and becoming immune (which took thousands of years), native Europeans couldn't magically increase their numbers to pre-IE level, not to mention outnumber IE. Don't be so dumb.
I'd even say they fared relatively well compared to odds.


Do I dream at all? Please, do not create things.
The fact is, that you speak our language, not we yours,
and the IEs concquered the Globe, not you, or anybody
else. If you have problem with that, keep it to yourself,
and do not try to make me someone which I am not.
Of course you are.

"Conquered"... in my book, conquest is through means of war, not through reproducing like dogs and killing someone with diseases (=IE).

Your only source of pride in life is being bearer of a certain haplogroup (which millions bear anyway). Good job.

[Rethel]

Your only source of pride in life is being bearer of a certain haplogroup (which millions bear anyway). Good job.

:picard2:

p.s. I did answer to your post, but during getting to the end, especially after
reaching the end, I dicided, that there is no sense. You are too much deluded.

[Ülev]

what if the name "Ante" has no connection with name Anthony and is an old key to Ante tribes - east "Slavic" and Croatia is full of that name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_(name)
and Croats have I2a-Din-South (and R1a Z-280)

and west so called "Slavs" (Sloveneti - Veneti) had I2a-Din-North + R1a m-458 (Rethelid) subclade back then in the time?

I use the term Slavs as already mixed I2a and R1a people

I just looked in Bosnian forum (did not read all of this discussion) and found these two maps interesting:

Din South:

https://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r463/ssal66/I2a2DinS_zps9debd283.jpg

Din North

https://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r463/ssal66/I2a2dinN_zpsdccbf3e9.jpg

forum link:
http://forum.klix.ba/kljosov-odgovorio-telegrafu-i-srpskoj-mitomaniji-t115914s150.html

and Croatia has more Z280 of R1a than Poles for example:

and data from another forum:

https://s29.postimg.org/u488tci1z/Screen_Hunter_1924_Jun._20_09.36.jpg

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4967-The-origin-of-the-Slavs/page149


Sclaveni = West "Slavs" were defeated (R1a m-458 + I2a Din N) by Antes (R1a Z-280 + I2a Din S) ??

[Robocop]

Just wanna make one notion, just in case someone didn't understand: this thread was a joke, to make ppl write casually about things they take very important to them and often go to fight about it.

Just wanted to make it clear.

[Rethel]

Just wanna make one notion, just in case someone didn't understand: this thread was a joke, to make ppl write casually about things they take very important to them and often go to fight about it.

Just wanted to make it clear.

Suuureeee..... ;)

[Lek]

I2a is probably from hunter gatherers. Very old in Europe.

[Jackson78]

what if the name "Ante" has no connection with name Anthony and is an old key to Ante tribes - east "Slavic" and Croatia is full of that name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_(name)
and Croats have I2a-Din-South (and R1a Z-280)

and west so called "Slavs" (Sloveneti - Veneti) had I2a-Din-North + R1a m-458 (Rethelid) subclade back then in the time?

I use the term Slavs as already mixed I2a and R1a people

I just looked in Bosnian forum (did not read all of this discussion) and found these two maps interesting:

Din South:

https://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r463/ssal66/I2a2DinS_zps9debd283.jpg

Din North

https://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r463/ssal66/I2a2dinN_zpsdccbf3e9.jpg

forum link:
http://forum.klix.ba/kljosov-odgovorio-telegrafu-i-srpskoj-mitomaniji-t115914s150.html

and Croatia has more Z280 of R1a than Poles for example:

and data from another forum:

https://s29.postimg.org/u488tci1z/Screen_Hunter_1924_Jun._20_09.36.jpg

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4967-The-origin-of-the-Slavs/page149


Sclaveni = West "Slavs" were defeated (R1a m-458 + I2a Din N) by Antes (R1a Z-280 + I2a Din S) ??

There are no I2a Din N or I2a Din S anymore, just I2а-CTS10228 with branches below like Z17855, PH908, Y4882 etc.

[mooreisbetter]

It's over brother. Just keep those daughters coming. We have an R1B for them all.

Regards,

Your fellow European (and conqueror)


If it is so, why do you speak our language?

Listen up, you descendants of poor refugees. Many of your original replies, especially those I called out with the quotes above, need a brush up on human history and demographics. Or you could put down the R1 Kool-Aid for a moment, and answer the following questions:

Imagine you're trying to re-create modern human population movements. You unearth DNA from California in 1950 and DNA from California in 2017. You unearth DNA from Israel in 1960 and Israel now. You unearth DNA from Lebanon and Germany in 1950 and Lebanon and Germany in 2017.

You would find that California of 1950 was mostly white, and California in 2017 mostly Hispanic. Israel was largely Hebrew/Jewish in 1960, but it's got very large Arabic populations now. Lebanon was mostly Lebanese in 1950 and Germany was mostly German. Now you have this mysterious skyrocketing of Syrian DNA, which you can't explain. In fact, in Lebanon, Syrians are now 50% of the population, up from 5%.

Were these conquerors? Cough, LOL, Cough, LOL. No guys. They weren't.

I hate to break it to you, but most changes in human demography come from refugees. It's the poor who move, not the rich. It's the starving who migrate, not the fat.

The poor Hispanics pouring into California from Mexico and points south are coming here because they're poor. They're not coming in with swords, riding horses, taking women as they please. They are simply outbreeding the existing population.

In Israel, Jewish women have their 2.5 kids, but Palestinian women have 8.5.

Lebanon is a wealthy stable country compared to Syria. So the Syrian refugees poor in there. Have these Syrian refugees conquered anything? No, they can't even conquer a rubble pile.

I posted all about this at my blog. The post is entitled "When Is a 'Conquest' Not a Conquest." I suggest you R1b-ophiles read it and learn.

[Dick]

Listen up, you descendants of poor refugees. Many of your original replies, especially those I called out with the quotes above, need a brush up on human history and demographics. Or you could put down the R1 Kool-Aid for a moment, and answer the following questions:

Imagine you're trying to re-create modern human population movements. You unearth DNA from California in 1950 and DNA from California in 2017. You unearth DNA from Israel in 1960 and Israel now. You unearth DNA from Lebanon and Germany in 1950 and Lebanon and Germany in 2017.

You would find that California of 1950 was mostly white, and California in 2017 mostly Hispanic. Israel was largely Hebrew/Jewish in 1960, but it's got very large Arabic populations now. Lebanon was mostly Lebanese in 1950 and Germany was mostly German. Now you have this mysterious skyrocketing of Syrian DNA, which you can't explain. In fact, in Lebanon, Syrians are now 50% of the population, up from 5%.

Were these conquerors? Cough, LOL, Cough, LOL. No guys. They weren't.

I hate to break it to you, but most changes in human demography come from refugees. It's the poor who move, not the rich. It's the starving who migrate, not the fat.

The poor Hispanics pouring into California from Mexico and points south are coming here because they're poor. They're not coming in with swords, riding horses, taking women as they please. They are simply outbreeding the existing population.

In Israel, Jewish women have their 2.5 kids, but Palestinian women have 8.5.

Lebanon is a wealthy stable country compared to Syria. So the Syrian refugees poor in there. Have these Syrian refugees conquered anything? No, they can't even conquer a rubble pile.

I posted all about this at my blog. The post is entitled "When Is a 'Conquest' Not a Conquest." I suggest you R1b-ophiles read it and learn.



I like you already.

[Wadaad]

But Syria/Lebanon is like Nova Scotia/New Brunswick

[Loki]

I posted all about this at my blog. The post is entitled..... I suggest you R1b-ophiles read it and learn.


No dear, this is unsolicited advertising of your blog's link. Not very polite of you... I edited out the link.

[JQP4545]

We still haven's found any ancient I2 samples from the Balkans. It may be that the original Slavs were I2a1b carriers rather than R1a.

[Rethel]

We still haven's found any ancient I2 samples from the Balkans. It may be that the original Slavs were I2a1b carriers rather than R1a.

Allready is, from Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria.

I2 was found also in Anatolia.

[cosmoo]

Allready is, from Croatia, Serbia and Romania.
And those clades are mostly extinct today. None of them is ancestral to I2a1b found among modern-day Slavs.
On the other hand, tons of I2a1b was found in Mesolithic northern and western hunter gatherers, and one I2a1b L147.2+ ("Dinaric") was found in Mesolithic Sweden cca. 5900 B.C., so it is clear that the most common form of I2 on Balkans today is not native to Balkans.

[Freeroostah]

Both I/R is European past

Its time to embrace your new masters, E1b and J1/J2

France, Sweden, and UK are already cucked by us

buahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[JQP4545]

Allready is, from Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria.

I2 was found also in Anatolia.

I hadn't considered that we may not have found I2 in the Balkans yet is because hunters may not have left burials that were as well preserved as the ones left by later groups.

[Rethel]

And those clades are mostly extinct today. None of them is ancestral to I2a1b found among modern-day Slavs.
On the other hand, tons of I2a1b was found in Mesolithic northern and western hunter gatherers, and one I2a1b L147.2+ ("Dinaric") was found in Mesolithic Sweden cca. 5900 B.C., so it is clear that the most common form of I2 on Balkans today is not native to Balkans.

So maybe it came with Goths?

[Robocop]

Honestly this is how I imagine I2a (including I1, I2a2, I2b) ppl of old, old, ancient times haha (thousands and thousands years ago):

https://theiapolis.com/d4/hMK/i1PIQ/k4/l1PXL/w1H7/arnold-schwarzenegger-as-dutch-in-predator.jpg

Even if Arnold is not of any of Y-DNA I haplogroups, still, I consider those ancient ancient ancient Y-DNA I ppl somethin like this, CroMagnon-Robust-Robust Jaw etc... lol

[Ülev]

I forgot about this thread and made another one, lol https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220702-Make-CE-Indigenous-again!

[cosmoo]

So maybe it came with Goths?

Yes, that is what I considered as most plausible for several years now.
Alternatively, it could have been some other East Germanic(ized) tribe. Serbian DNA project leaders consider Bastarnae as the most likely candidate, but it is completely illogical, as even their etomology suggests that they were either mixed-breeds or conglomeration of several tribes (in which case they would be quite diverse in paternal lineages, so they are very unlikely to have originally carried it as far as I'm concerned).

[Rethel]

I consider those ancient ancient ancient Y-DNA I ppl somethin like this, CroMagnon-Robust-Robust Jaw etc... lol

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/a3/b7/77a3b70a1fbf580f3d46f756a23b1b67--dwayne-johnson-bridal-shower.jpg

[cosmoo]

Honestly this is how I imagine I2a (including I1, I2a2, I2b) ppl of old, old, ancient times haha (thousands and thousands years ago):

https://theiapolis.com/d4/hMK/i1PIQ/k4/l1PXL/w1H7/arnold-schwarzenegger-as-dutch-in-predator.jpg

Even if Arnold is not of any of Y-DNA I haplogroups, still, I consider those ancient ancient ancient Y-DNA I ppl somethin like this, CroMagnon-Robust-Robust Jaw etc... lol

Arnold is far from being a best example, to be honest (not saying he's devoid of any UP influence), which can be seen on photos from his youth.
Ivory bust from Upper Palaeolithic central Europe:
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Images/countries/Czech%20pics/headbrugar3.jpg
Les Eyzies 1 reconstruction:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/0c/ee/b60cee55a10a5679742f40a8c355589d.jpg
Some modern examples:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe062-.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe041.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe042.jpg

[jingorex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

[Gone West]

You were mesolithic Anatolian and Caucasian farmers.

Oh wait ! You still are ? What do you do in Balkans apart growing potatoes and raising goats ?

[Pahli]

IJ master race

[The Illyrian Warrior]

If I-Paleolithes had a Trump the wall would be built when Neolithic immigrants started to invade Europe, now is too late. :D

[Bobby Martnen]

I'm I1. I is the only indigenous European haplogroup - technically all others are foreign

[Senpai]

That feel when you're waiting for your DNA test to come back, and your ancestral research leads you to believe you are r1 or I1 so you can't pick sides for another week or two :(

[Drawing-slim]

That feel when you're waiting for your DNA test to come back, and your ancestral research leads you to believe you are r1 or I1 so you can't pick sides for another week or two :(

I'll wager is I1.

[catgeorge]

I are definitely first Europeans but also Cuckolds. Adopted Indo European language, culture and allowed their daughters to be conquered by R1. Only the brother J is the brute with balls that has testinal fortitude that likely conquered the known worlds through hellenistic and Roman periods. R1b in Western Europe were a little too brutal insane like killing each other for centuries on end then invading others and killing pigmies as well spreading nothing else other than to make money.

[Bosniensis]

I are definitely first Europeans but also Cuckolds. Adopted Indo European language, culture and allowed their daughters to be conquered by R1. Only the brother J is the brute with balls that has testinal fortitude that likely conquered the known worlds through hellenistic and Roman periods. R1b in Western Europe were a little too brutal insane like killing each other for centuries on end then invading others and killing pigmies as well spreading nothing else other than to make money.

R1 invaded in 3rd century, in 4th they got Gaul, in 5th they got Italy, in 6th they entered Balkans (R1a), in 11th they got into Anatolia(R1b).

What could we do?

Also Persians were attacking, Arabs wanted Orient and North Africa... Rome was under heavy pressure.

[Senpai]

I'll wager is I1.

Why so? my paternal ancestry line is stuck between a Frisian with r1 and a Dane with i1, unfortunately I have no idea which was my ancestor.

[Rethel]

That feel when you're waiting for your DNA test to come back, and your ancestral research leads you to believe you are r1 or I1 so you can't pick sides for another week or two :(

And in result you are becoming rest of the alphabet, neither I neither R :)


Why so? my paternal ancestry line is stuck between a Frisian with r1 and a Dane with i1, unfortunately I have no idea which was my ancestor.

It deson't actually matter. You can be anything. Even A and M...

[Senpai]

And in result you are becoming rest of the alphabet, neither I neither R :)



It deson't actually matter. You can be anything. Even A and M...

Fair enough, I'll know soon regardless.

[Rethel]

Fair enough, I'll know soon regardless.

When you can expect your results?

[Bobby Martnen]

I are definitely first Europeans but also Cuckolds. Adopted Indo European language, culture and allowed their daughters to be conquered by R1. Only the brother J is the brute with balls that has testinal fortitude that likely conquered the known worlds through hellenistic and Roman periods. R1b in Western Europe were a little too brutal insane like killing each other for centuries on end then invading others and killing pigmies as well spreading nothing else other than to make money.

I1 Germanics brought the R1b Roman Empire to its knees.

[JQP4545]

I2a has been found in Iron Gates samples from Serbia which predate Slavic and Indo European invasions so maybe it has been there since the ice ages.