Classify the first post-dictatorship Presidents of Argentina and Chile

[Tooting Carmen]

Raul Alfonsin, Argentine President, elected in 1983
http://a5.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTIwNjA4NjMzNTI1NjY3MzQw.jpghttps://jrviedma.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/alfonsin-raul-19911.jpg

Patricio Aylwin, Chilean President, elected in 1990
http://www.uchile.cl/uchile/ImageServlet?idDocumento=4787&indice=0https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Presidente_Patricio_Aylwin_cropped.jpg/220px-Presidente_Patricio_Aylwin_cropped.jpg

[Xacal]

Atlanto-Med and Alpine-Med

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[The Blade]

1 - Atlanto-Med + Baskid
2 - Med + Taurid

[alnortedelsur]

Patricio Aylwim had some British background.

[Tooting Carmen]

Patricio Aylwim had some British background.

According to Wiki, he is a mixture of Irish from his father's side and Basque from his mother's side. His full name is Patricio Aylwin Azocar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Aylwin

[alnortedelsur]

According to Wiki, he is a mixture of Irish from his father's side and Basque from his mother's side. His full name is Patricio Aylwin Azocar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Aylwin

Then, he would be a good example of Spanish/Irish mix, though his Spanish side is Basque (but Basques are genetically/phenotype-wise very close to the rest of Spaniards, anyways).

Checking his biography I found out that he just died on April this year :eek:

[Argentano]

Alfonsin had 4 european born great grandparents (3 Spain 1 England)


http://www.genealogiafamiliar.net/pedigreetext.php?personID=I603318&tree=BVCZ&parentset=0&generations=4

Checking the great great grandparents Alfonsin had at least

8 Spanish great great grandparents
4 English great great grandparents




http://www.genealogiafamiliar.net/pedigreetext.php?personID=I603318&tree=BVCZ&parentset=0&display=&generations=5

[alnortedelsur]

Alfonsin had 4 european great grandparents (3 Spain 1 England)


http://www.genealogiafamiliar.net/pedigreetext.php?personID=I603318&tree=BVCZ&parentset=0&generations=4

Then, he would be a good example of Spanish/British mix, but more Spanish than Brit.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Then, he would be a good example of Spanish/Irish mix, though his Spanish side is Basque (but Basques are genetically/phenotype-wise very close to the rest of Spaniards, anyways).

Checking his biography I found out that he just died on April this year :eek:

him and Martin Sheen.

[alnortedelsur]

him and Martin Sheen.

That's true :lol:

With the only difference that Martin Sheen Spanish side is Galician, while the Spanish side of this former Chilean president is Basque :)

[Argentano]

¿No es la segunda parte (la de teniendo 8 tatarabuelos...) redundante? si él tenía 4 abuelos europeos, ¡obviamente los tatarabuelos también lo son!

Ehh pero hay algunos q son argentinos y los padres son españoles entonces no se cuenta como bisabuelo pero se cuenta como tatarabuelo. Entendes?

Osea bisabuelos españoles tiene 3 entonces vos decis 6 tatarabuelos españoles pero en realidad tiene 8 pq una de las bisabuelas argentinas tmb tenia padres españoles. Se entiende?

Con los ingleses lo mismo tiene 1 bisabuelo ingles pero tiene 4 tatarabuelos porque la mujer tenia padres ingleses.


Aparte la cuenta no dice 4 bisabuelos y 8 tatarabuelos. Dice 4 bisabuelos y 12 tatarabuelos

[Argentano]

Hummm no :noidea:

Olvídate si son españoles o rusos, mientras sean europeos. Si todos sus abuelos son europeos, a la fuerza bisabuelos, tatarabuelos etc también lo son, digo yo :twitch00::twitch00:

pero aca no dice abuelos, dice great grandparents que seria bisabuelo. Seria asi


Padres 0/2 0%
Abuelos 1/4 25%
Bisabuelos 4/8 50%
Tatarabuelos 12/16 75%

Ves que no es lo mismo? Con cada nuevo grupo de abuelos el % aumenta. Como decis vos, no va a disminuir, pero si puede aumentar. Ahora se entiende?

[Argentano]

ok, firmemente tuve la convicción de que todos sus abuelos eran europeos :blink:

El tipo tiene 8 tatarabuelos españoles, 4 tatarabuelos ingleses y los otros 4 tatarabuelos tienen origen desconocido, probablemente argentino. Es super gallego

[Argentano]

:no000000::no:

Voy a hacer un thread con proceres argentinos y sus 16 tatarabuelos. Esta interesante esta pagina.

[Tooting Carmen]

Could we please stick to topic?

[Odin]

1. Atlanto-Med
2. Med