Corsicans vs Italians (Lazio), can you tell them apart?

[Deneb]

Two city councils


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[crazyladybutterfly]

no.

[Ouistreham]

First set must be Corsican.
They are more typically Italian mugs in the 2nd set.

[Ilma]

Well I see some differences but I could not tell who is who lol. I don't know how the Italians look mainly, not much more about Corsicans. But OK I would say.... Corsicans for the first sample and Italians for the second. I thought they were "french" more for the first sample maybe.

[Petalpusher]

First Corsica

[Gold-Shekel]

I guess some have more eyebrow but that's a grooming issue.

[Deneb]

Indeed, 1 Corsica (Bastia City Council), 2 Italy (Viterbo City Council).

[barkoo]

First is Corsican imo.

[Deneb]

Ironically, most of these Corsicans have an Italian surname.

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[Mens-Sarda]

99% of Corsican surnames are like that

[Petalpusher]

Ironically, most of these Corsicans have an Italian surname.


That's normal they are Italians, N.Italians genetically.

[glicine max]

Ironically, most of these Corsicans have an Italian surname.
perhaps they are ..
it's awful,however,to see that corsicans adopted french names,as they give two shit of their heritage.

[MinervaItalica]

Corsica is Italy.

[Ilma]

That's normal they are Italians, N.Italians genetically.

The Neolithic corsicans were tall, dolichocephalic.

Xavier Poli in La Corse dans l'Antiquité et dans le Haut Moyen Âge, Librairie Albert Fontemoing, Paris, 1907.

First population around -10 000 J-C
-5000 : imput of Ligures (peopl from Northern Italy) and Iberians + some Lybians
-1500 the people living here is called Korsi, highly related to Ligurian people : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsi
-238 : Corsica is related to Sardinia as a Roman province : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsica_and_Sardinia
455 : Vandal invasion
534 : Vandals are out of Corsica, Byzantine Empire rules Corsica
725 : Lombard invasion
774 : Frankish king Charlemagne is also king of Lombardie and gives Corsica to the Pope
1200 : Corsica is related to the Genoa Republic
1297 : Corsica is related to Sardinian Kingdom
1347 : Corsica belongs to Genoa again for centuries
1550 : France bring Turkish people in Corsica, Turkish occupation for years finally kicked out by Genoa Republic
1676 : Corsica welcome Greek refugees, they protect Oriental Christians
1789 : Corsica belongs to French Republic
1800 : end of Republic of Genoa
1804 : Napoleon Bonaparte (Corsican) is French Emperor
1957 : Algerians (pieds noirs) come massively and corsican people are obliged to give their fields to farm

They are mainly related to North Italian people, you're right ^^
Italian was their main language for centuries BTW, today they speak Corsican, close to Italian and French.

[Percivalle]

Well I see some differences but I could not tell who is who lol. I don't know how the Italians look mainly, not much more about Corsicans. But OK I would say.... Corsicans for the first sample and Italians for the second. I thought they were "french" more for the first sample maybe.

They all can pass in Italy, but some Corsican can have partial French ancestry. But Corsican with French ancestry are not super common among the Corsicans who have lived in Corsica only and never moved to France. There are Corsicans whose father or mother moved to France, married a French and come back to Corsica and they identifie themselves as Corsican only.


Ironically, most of these Corsicans have an Italian surname.

That's not ironic, 99% of the Corsican surnames are Italian, a mixture of Northern and Central Italian surnames.



That's normal they are Italians, N.Italians genetically.

Not really, more complicated. Corsicans are somewhere a bit more west of Nortwestern Italians and Centralwestern Italians.

That's the MDLP K27 (on MDLP C-Italian is Italian Abruzzo).

http://i.imgur.com/e01EXLn.jpg


perhaps they are ..
it's awful,however,to see that corsicans adopted french names,as they give two shit of their heritage.

They were forced being that the Italian and Corsican languages were banned in Corsica. But something has changed in the last few years and the Corsicans have got a bit of cultural autonomy.


Corsica is Italy.

Now most Corsicans don't feel Italian, they feel just Corsican. Of course they are aware to be related to Italians more than to French.

[Ilma]

They all can pass in Italy, but some Corsican can have partial French ancestry. But Corsican with French ancestry are not super common among the Corsicans who have lived in Corsica only and never moved to France. There are Corsicans whose father or mother moved to France, married a French and come back to Corsica and they identifie themselves as Corsican only.

Yes that's why I wrote "french" with those "" because by that term I imply actually I already saw lot of Corsican IN France or descendant of Corsican IN France metropole, very proud of their ancestry and their phenotype most of times pass very very well in France. I guess they pass very well in Northern Italy so :)

[Petalpusher]

Not really, more complicated. Corsicans are somewhere a bit more west of Nortwestern Italians and Centralwestern Italians.




Probably because of some little Sardinian ancestry and maybe French, so some back and forth but they are clearly around other N.Italians, rather than central or southern.

[Mens-Sarda]

perhaps they are ..
it's awful,however,to see that corsicans adopted french names,as they give two shit of their heritage.

they were forced by French laws that in the past prohibited foreign names, so they had no choice than to adopt French names, however when speaking Corsican they use names in the original form

[TheForeigner]

Corsicans are ethnic Italans.

[Percivalle]

Probably because of some little Sardinian ancestry and maybe French, so some back and forth but they are clearly around other N.Italians, rather than central or southern.

It's not so clear, there is an internal diversity in Corsica and the common origin of the populations of Sardinia and Corsica during the middle and upper Paleolithic periods is understated on the forums. Corsica over the centuries had more gene flow from mainland Italy (from Tuscany and Liguria especially) than Sardinia, and this has changed the genome of Corsicans, how much is not yet clear though, as it's not yet clear anything about a more recent gene flow from France.

A Richard A. Rocca's quote, independent researcher, but the paper is peer-reviewed and edited by Toomas Kivisild, University of Cambridge, United Kingdom.


The S116 downstream marker U152/S28 (rs1236440) defines the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in northern and central Italy, Switzerland, eastern France and Corsica [7]. The genomes of 36 U152 derived males were analyzed (Figure 3). Samples from the Tuscany region of (central) Italy were found to have a high frequency of U152 (29.4%). This correlates well with the frequency of 32.4% previously reported in central Italy and the 32.1% found in Corsica [7], [10].

Based on the varieties of Corsican languages, the Capocorsino/Cismontano (Bastia) is the closer to mainland Italy, but all the Corsican varieties are a very old medieval Tuscan language spoken with a very peculiar accent more southern-shifted than its syntax is, and nowdays hasn't a corresponding part in Italy, neither in Tuscany. Based on that MDLP PCA chart Corsicans are around southwest of North-western Italians (North_Italian on MDLP is likely Val Borbera in Piedmont, while North-Italian is likely the HGDP sample from Bergamo, Lombardy) and even slightly southwest of Tuscans who are Central-western Italians (Tuscan on MDLP is likely the southern Tuscan HGDP sample from Colline Metallifere around Grosseto, and Toscani is the HapMap3). Corsicans hardly can really overlap with North-eastern Italians. If a calculator shows that it only means that this calculator isn't accurate.

Of course it depends by the Corsican sample chosen as well, and how much a calculator is reliabe, Sardinian ancestry is stronger in Southern Corsicans and maybe the French ancestry can shift some Corsicans more north than originally are. The fact is that Corsicans are a very small population in comparison with Italians or French, like one of the smallest region in Italy or an average Italian province, and any external influence can have played a big role. Needless to say that a PCA chart includes the whole genome and the SNPs used for population genetics are more in the non-coding regions invisible to the eyes, while phenotypes are controlled by very few SNPs subject to sexual selection.



Yes that's why I wrote "french" with those "" because by that term I imply actually I already saw lot of Corsican IN France or descendant of Corsican IN France metropole, very proud of their ancestry and their phenotype most of times pass very very well in France. I guess they pass very well in Northern Italy so :)

Not only in Northern Italy, many Corsicans can pass also in Central Italy, Sardinia and the rest of Italy.



They are mainly related to North Italian people, you're right ^^
Italian was their main language for centuries BTW, today they speak Corsican, close to Italian and French.

That chronology is incomplete and inaccurate, before the Genoese rule, Corsicans were under the Pisan rule from Tuscany (Central Italy) and in fact the Corsican dialects derive from the medieval Tuscan (central Italian language), and Corsican is not related to the Northern Italian dialects (Gallo-Italic dialects). But the Corsican dialects have a very peculiar accent more southern-shifted than their syntax is, and nowdays haven't a corresponding part in Italy, neither in Tuscany nor in North Italy.

[Ilma]

Not only in Northern Italy, many Corsicans can pass also in Central Italy, Sardinia and the rest of Italy.

That chronology is incomplete and inaccurate, before the Genoese rule, Corsicans were under the Pisan rule from Tuscany (Central Italy) and in fact the Corsican dialects derive from the medieval Tuscan (central Italian language), and Corsican is not related to the Northern Italian dialects (Gallo-Italic dialects). But the Corsican dialects have a very peculiar accent more southern-shifted than their syntax is, and nowdays haven't a corresponding part in Italy, neither in Tuscany nor in North Italy.

Yes you're right, I just checked it quickly because there was no data about that on that thread to justify their link with Northern Italians and I add also I know nothing about Northern italians and very few about Corsica, so I learn about them more this way, grazie mille for these complete informations ;)

Are you from some Corsican ancestry yourself ?

[Bell Beaker]

Corsicans resemble Portuguese



Anthropometric studies of living Corsicans 128 place them in approximately the same racial position as the Portuguese. The stature mean for the island is about 163 cm., the cephalic index, 76.6. Light or light-mixed eyes are probably under 20 per cent, while the commonest iris color is dark brown, or black. The hair color is black or dark brown, more frequently the latter; shades ranging from medium brown to blond include 15 per cent of the whole.

In general, the coastal population, particularly in the northern and western parts of the island and in the towns, is taller and less long-headed than that of the more isolated interior villages. The coastal people, from Bastia to Ajaccio, have a mean cephalic index of 77; 76 is the mean for the southern part of the island, and 75 for the interior. The Greeks of Cargèse have a mean of 77.8. In Bocognagno, an isolated mountain section, 38 per cent of the recruits summoned for military service were rejected on the grounds of being shorter than 154 cm.

There is one exception to this rule that the inhabitants of the kernel of the island are the shortest, longest-headed, and darkest, however—that is in the inaccessible plateau region of Niolo, in the very center of the island, where a tall, long-headed, and prevailingly blond group of people has been found. They are apparently Nordics, not unlike Riffians in appearance, and are a closely inbred local group. Whether they represent the survival of an ancient blond racial stratum in the Mediterranean area, or are the descendants of some early refugees to this mountain fastness, cannot be determined without a careful, modern survey of Corsica. In view of present evidence it appears that the Corsicans, like the North Africans, Spaniards, and Portuguese, are a blend of different Mediterranean strains, and that here, as in the more marginal Berber groups and in Portugal, a small, very long-headed Mediterranean type is both old and numerous, while later, taller, Atlanto-Mediterranean forms are also present. The Nordic problem is a local puzzle which awaits solution.

[Percivalle]

Yes you're right, I just checked it quickly because there was no data about that on that thread to justify their link with Northern Italians and I add also I know nothing about Northern italians and very few about Corsica, so I learn about them more this way, grazie mille for these complete informations ;)

De rien, c'est mon métier. ;)


Are you from some Corsican ancestry yourself ?

No, but I grew up in Tuscany, and I have a Tuscan friend who is of Corsican ancestry. There are days the silhouette of Corsica is visible from the coast of Tuscany and Liguria, Corsica is easily accessible from motor boating and sailing, in few hours from Tuscany or Liguria you can be in Corsica. I've been there many times, especially in summer.

Corsica from the coast of Liguria

http://i.imgur.com/62PKrur.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8XH3ZBT.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Tg2KAoZNHA8/hqdefault.jpg

Corsica from the coast of Tuscany

https://hermeslucense.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/corsica.jpg

Corsica from Elba island in Tuscany

http://i.imgur.com/Zq1y4VJ.jpg

http://motoxdue.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Elba-Corsica-innevata-dalla-costa-dei-gabbiani-marzo-2009-110-1.jpg


Corsicans resemble Portuguese

I think this is the Sardinian/Corsican link.

[Ilma]

De rien, c'est mon métier. ;)



No, but I grew up in Tuscany, and I have a Tuscan friend who is of Corsican ancestry. There are days the silhouette of Corsica is visible from the coast of Tuscany and Liguria, Corsica is easily accessible from motor boating and sailing, in few hours from Tuscany or Liguria you can be in Corsica. I've been there many times, especially in summer.



Corsica from the coast of Liguria

http://i.imgur.com/62PKrur.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8XH3ZBT.jpg

Corsica from the coast of Tuscany

https://hermeslucense.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/corsica.jpg

Corsica from Elba island in Tuscany

http://i.imgur.com/Zq1y4VJ.jpg

http://motoxdue.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Elba-Corsica-innevata-dalla-costa-dei-gabbiani-marzo-2009-110-1.jpg



I think this is the Sardinian/Corsican link.

Wonderful, truly I always thought Corsica was a beautiful island and I respect a lot Corsican people. They ask for independance from France and this is legit to me.
These pictures reminds me of some views of once I came overthere, very beautiful memories ! Thanks for sharing :)

[Percivalle]

Wonderful, truly I always thought Corsica was a beautiful island and I respect a lot Corsican people. They ask for independance and this is legit to me. These pictures reminds me of some views of once I came overthere, very beautiful memories ! Thanks for sharing :)

Sans surprise Corse est appelée l'île de beauté. :)

I think that the Corsicans rather than the indipendence they need above all that the French State respects and protects their identity. I know that the French State is quite centralist and nationalist, but I am convinced that the French are educated and intelligent enough that are slowly realizing that Corsicans need a different approach from the French State. Something has already happened.

[Ilma]

Sans surprise Corse est appelée l'île de beauté. :)

I think that the Corsicans rather than the indipendence they need above all that the French State respects and protects their identity. I know that the French State is quite centralist and nationalist, but I am convinced that the French are educated and intelligent enough that are slowly realizing that Corsicans need a different approach from the French State. Something has already happened.

I hope you were right my friend, actually French people are quite hypocrite toward them (Elite, politicians) because the interest to keep Corsica as french province is very economically interesting, specially about tourism. BTW Corsican people are so proud and protective about their island we all know you don't kid with a Corsican person. They are very serious about their identity and protection and some of them very mistrustful against french people and tourists for that. They are more balled than other french areas about that matter, trust me lol. Then french people don't ever understand why they are so radical as they are not protective themselves towards their own identity.

Lol last year they managed all new areas organisation in France, we had a comic sketch about that matter and the Corsican was representative about that xD "What are we doing with Corsica ? we link it with Provence ?" and then the Corsican man just looking like a killer and nodding "OK OK guys NO one touch Corsica, OK OK fine" hahaha

(watch from 0:40)


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ygv3w_reforme-territoriale-on-va-laisser-la-corse-tranquille_news

[caviezel]

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[Aëlwenn]

This summer, few arabs family have attacked some innocent Corsican boys on the beach because they looked muslims girls. All the families of the Corsicans boys comin in arabs quarters for fightings, and the Corsicans family are the winners.
I like the way they fight for their island and rights.

[Ilma]

This summer, few arabs family have attacked some innocent Corsican boys on the beach because they looked muslims girls. All the families of the Corsicans boys comin in arabs quarters for fightings, and the Corsicans family are the winners.
I like the way they fight for their island and rights.

Yes Corsican are brave and protective, this is what we lack of in Metropole for such matters.

BTW some Corsican had a good idea to keep away from their beautiful beaches all the muslims : wild piiiiiiiigs on the beach :D

Best idea, ever xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Tmh3FUquw

[Catholic Riffs]

Not really???

[caviezel]

Corsicans resemble Portuguese
Anthropometric studies of living Corsicans 128 place them in approximately the same racial position as the Portuguese. The stature mean for the island is about 163 cm., the cephalic index, 76.6. Light or light-mixed eyes are probably under 20 per cent, while the commonest iris color is dark brown, or black. The hair color is black or dark brown, more frequently the latter; shades ranging from medium brown to blond include 15 per cent of the whole.

In general, the coastal population, particularly in the northern and western parts of the island and in the towns, is taller and less long-headed than that of the more isolated interior villages. The coastal people, from Bastia to Ajaccio, have a mean cephalic index of 77; 76 is the mean for the southern part of the island, and 75 for the interior. The Greeks of Cargèse have a mean of 77.8. In Bocognagno, an isolated mountain section, 38 per cent of the recruits summoned for military service were rejected on the grounds of being shorter than 154 cm.

There is one exception to this rule that the inhabitants of the kernel of the island are the shortest, longest-headed, and darkest, however—that is in the inaccessible plateau region of Niolo, in the very center of the island, where a tall, long-headed, and prevailingly blond group of people has been found. They are apparently Nordics, not unlike Riffians in appearance, and are a closely inbred local group. Whether they represent the survival of an ancient blond racial stratum in the Mediterranean area, or are the descendants of some early refugees to this mountain fastness, cannot be determined without a careful, modern survey of Corsica. In view of present evidence it appears that the Corsicans, like the North Africans, Spaniards, and Portuguese, are a blend of different Mediterranean strains, and that here, as in the more marginal Berber groups and in Portugal, a small, very long-headed Mediterranean type is both old and numerous, while later, taller, Atlanto-Mediterranean forms are also present. The Nordic problem is a local puzzle which awaits solution.

in Contribution à l'anthropologie des Corses : Anthropologie de la tête Corsicans are 26% blond to medium brown and 34% light eyed. almost the same as Central French in Savoie. http://i67.tinypic.com/2zh16yo.jpg
http://www.persee.fr/doc/bmsap_0037-8984_1968_num_3_3_1417

[Mens-Sarda]

I've found this interesting article about Corsican genetics

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/corsicans.html

[glicine max]

They were forced being that the Italian and Corsican languages were banned in Corsica. But something has changed in the last few years and the Corsicans have got a bit of cultural autonomy..
I made a quick research,seems that in the 1966 the french governemt passed a bill that allow people to use non-french first-names for their childreen;anyway would be interesting to know nowadays, among corsicans,what are the most popular names given to the newborn.

[Bell Beaker]

in Contribution à l'anthropologie des Corses : Anthropologie de la tête Corsicans are 26% blond to medium brown and 34% light eyed. almost the same as Central French in Savoie. http://i67.tinypic.com/2zh16yo.jpg
http://www.persee.fr/doc/bmsap_0037-8984_1968_num_3_3_1417

Mediterranean race admixture is not a sign of swarthy admixture, it's just a Cephalic Index comparation.

[Ouistreham]

It's very easy to tell Corsicans from [ other ] North-Central Italians:
Dinarid features are less common in Corsica than anywhere in Italy (Sardinia included).
The Corsicans have more often Alpinid traits.
Must be their French side after all.

Some Corsican city councils:

http://www.santa-maria-di-lota.fr/userfiles/images/Actualit%C3%A9%202014/Photo%20groupe.jpg

http://www.ca-ajaccien.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/photo-Conseil-Municipal.jpg

http://www.mairie-lumio.fr/photo/art/default/6707038-10250845.jpg?v=1402328010

http://poggio-mezzana.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/conseil-municipal2-600x600.jpg

[Percivalle]

It's very easy to tell Corsicans from [ other ] North-Central Italians:
Dinarid features are less common in Corsica than anywhere in Italy (Sardinia included).
The Corsicans have more often Alpinid trai
Must be their French side after all.

You're turning this discussion in a typical anthrotard discussion. :) Very easy? Very LOL.

Actually your pics show that Corsicans are very varied, there are even people in your pics who can perfectly fit in Sardinia and Southern Italy, and a minority of the councilors are likely of French ancestry from mainland France.

The lack of dinarid in Corsicans compared to North-Central Italians? Are you really comparing 400,000 people with almost 40 milion of people? Are you serious?

If the Corsicans have more Alpinid traits (which it is actually not true) and this is hypothetically due to their French side it only means that Corsicans have been replaced by French and fully Corsicans don't exist anymore. And this never happened. If the Alpinid is so common among Corsicans is mostly due to their "Italian side". French ancestry cannot be older than 200 years and can have only increased the number of Alpinids among Corsicans, but not turned Corsica into an Alpine land.

[Percivalle]

I hope you were right my friend, actually French people are quite hypocrite toward them (Elite, politicians) because the interest to keep Corsica as french province is very economically interesting, specially about tourism. BTW Corsican people are so proud and protective about their island we all know you don't kid with a Corsican person.

They are very serious about their identity and protection and some of them very mistrustful against french people and tourists for that. They are more balled than other french areas about that matter, trust me lol. Then french people don't ever understand why they are so radical as they are not protective themselves towards their own identity.

I know that French are quite hypocrite toward them. Exactly, you don't kid with a Corsican person and they are very serious about their identity, Corsicans are not only distrustful of the French but also of the Italians, especially of those who behave as if Corsica was their home.


Lol last year they managed all new areas organisation in France, we had a comic sketch about that matter and the Corsican was representative about that xD "What are we doing with Corsica ? we link it with Provence ?" and then the Corsican man just looking like a killer and nodding "OK OK guys NO one touch Corsica, OK OK fine" hahaha

(watch from 0:40)


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ygv3w_reforme-territoriale-on-va-laisser-la-corse-tranquille_news

:lol00001:


I've found this interesting article about Corsican genetics

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/corsicans.html

It's more a collection of quotes from different papers on Corsicans. They have similar pages on khazaria.com for many other etnicities.


I made a quick research,seems that in the 1966 the french governemt passed a bill that allow people to use non-french first-names for their childreen;anyway would be interesting to know nowadays, among corsicans,what are the most popular names given to the newborn.

Lisandru (Alessandro) and Emma are the most common name among the newborns in Corsica in 2009.

Les prénoms les plus donnés en 2009 dans le 20 (Corse)

http://www.aufeminin.com/world/maternite/prenoms/prenomdpt__dpt=20&departement=corse.html




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Tmh3FUquw

That's really funny. I experienced that on my skin, not only wild pigs, but also cows and horses that shit on the beach and bathe quietly in the midst of the human bathers.

[Petalpusher]

It's not so clear, there is an internal diversity in Corsica and the common origin of the populations of Sardinia and Corsica during the middle and upper Paleolithic periods is understated on the forums.

Rightly so, middle and upper Paleolithic, really? there has been so much population turnover since then, it's not even worth mentionning, what a place 15-20ky ago isn't really relevant as to what people are today. North Italy was 100% Villabruna HG back then, most of Europe was like that too.



Based on the varieties of Corsican languages, the Capocorsino/Cismontano (Bastia) is the closer to mainland Italy, but all the Corsican varieties are a very old medieval Tuscan language spoken with a very peculiar accent more southern-shifted than its syntax is, and nowdays hasn't a corresponding part in Italy, neither in Tuscany. Based on that MDLP PCA chart Corsicans are around southwest of North-western Italians (North_Italian on MDLP is likely Val Borbera in Piedmont, while North-Italian is likely the HGDP sample from Bergamo, Lombardy) and even slightly southwest of Tuscans who are Central-western Italians (Tuscan on MDLP is likely the southern Tuscan HGDP sample from Colline Metallifere around Grosseto, and Toscani is the HapMap3). Corsicans hardly can really overlap with North-eastern Italians. If a calculator shows that it only means that this calculator isn't accurate.

North_Italian is the sample central and northern Europeans are the closest to. On the contrary southern Euro hit North-Italian first, which is also what your pca shows even if it's upside down. Corsicans are NW of "North-Italian" (if that's Piedmont), and just west of Lombards, definetly not south of Tuscans.



in Contribution à l'anthropologie des Corses : Anthropologie de la tête Corsicans are 26% blond to medium brown and 34% light eyed. almost the same as Central French in Savoie. http://i67.tinypic.com/2zh16yo.jpg
http://www.persee.fr/doc/bmsap_0037-8984_1968_num_3_3_1417

Im not sure where you pulled that conclusion from. "Pauvrement pigmentés" means the least pigmented (eyes here) and it even shows Corsicans having higher incidence of the lightes eyes compared to N.Italians but still half of what people of Savoie have.

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/a4ddfaac-2670-4a2a-a363-1431ff2e3bc8.jpg



Same goes for hair except it's more than 3 times higher in Savoie than N.Italy and two times compared to Corsicans, again Corsicans show more than N.Italians.

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/53de47ee-0a1f-4969-9968-07eaafb7db59.jpg



It doesn't mean as much as people think but i guess it can be a general baseline and actually matches pretty well overall their genetic position.

[caviezel]

looks like you are referencing the 1800 Topinard study while I was referencing the 1900 study with a standardized measurement (Martin Schulz for eyes color and Fischer Saller for hair). Corsicans are 14% blond or light brown and 31% light eyed from 1 to 6 of the MS scale.
the Savoie sample is 16% blond or light brown and 35% light eyed (including lightly pigmented from 1 to 6 of the MS scale), basically the same as the North Italian sample in Frassetto.

http://i66.tinypic.com/nospir.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/6pn79z.png

[Petalpusher]

looks like you are referencing the 1800 Topinard study while I was referencing the 1900 study with a standardized measurement (Martin Schulz for eyes color and Fischer Saller for hair). Corsicans are 14% blond or light brown and 31% light eyed from 1 to 6 of the MS scale.
the Savoie sample is 16% blond or light brown and 35% light eyed (including lightly pigmented from 1 to 6 of the MS scale), basically the same as the North Italian sample in Frassetto.

http://i66.tinypic.com/nospir.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/6pn79z.png

Looks like you are mixing two different studies when it's convenient. It's the link you ve just posted, im reading what you are posting, that doesn't match what you claims

Lightest eyes:

Norvège 63,7%
Genève 36,8%
Savoie 34,9%
Suisse 25,1%
Tyrol 21,3%
Corses 17,1%
Italie du Nord 16%

(And guess what Savoie/W.Swiss is exactly between N.Italy and Norway genetically)


Do you need a translation? It just says 1960 studies have found higher frequency in Suisses and Savoyards than these datas but whatever. Let's not even talk about the N.Italian sample that ranges from 10 years old people (everybody is blond at this age).

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/53de47ee-0a1f-4969-9968-07eaafb7db59.jpg

[caviezel]

Looks like you are mixing two different studies when it's convenient. It's the link you ve just posted, im reading what you are posting, that doesn't match what you claims

Lightest eyes:

Norvège 63,7%
Genève 36,8%
Savoie 34,9%
Suisse 25,1%
Tyrol 21,3%
Corses 17,1%
Italie du Nord 16%

(And guess what Savoie/W.Swiss is exactly between N.Italy and Norway genetically)


Do you need a translation? It just says 1960 studies have found higher frequency in Suisses and Savoyards than these datas but whatever. Let's not even talk about the N.Italian sample that ranges from 10 years old people (everybody is blond at this age).

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/53de47ee-0a1f-4969-9968-07eaafb7db59.jpg


And guess what Savoie/W.Swiss is exactly between N.Italy and Norway genetically)
not quite.
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/general/genmap2.jpg

Corsicans are about 14% of blond to light brown hair while Savoyards are 16% of blond to light brown, A to OP of the FS scale unless they included only light to dark blond but it says A to OP, that's why Im assuming it's also inclusive of light brown. looks like Savoyards are indeed 35% pure light eyed but that would make them 70% or even more light eyed and that is quite suspicious considering that Hungarians are only 40% light eyed in general and Swiss have only 25% of pure light eyes. the female sample from Savoie has 22% of poorly pigmented eyes and that is more consistent as a figure.
the study of North Italians I mentioned was Frassetto since it has a 600 adult males sample compared to only 160 cases of the other and even looking at the footnotes it's not clear what study is. if it's Livi's then it doesn't use neither the FS nor the MS scale or any other scale for the matter so it can't be accounted for.

http://i65.tinypic.com/35i5g02.png

http://i68.tinypic.com/xf2grc.png