Classify iconic samba artist Carmen Miranda (Portuguese born)

[Bell Beaker]

She was born in Portugal but moved to Rio when she was a year old baby. By 1945 she was the highest paid woman in the USA.


https://laamoraa.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/cargf.jpg?w=620&h=775

http://www.operamundi.com.br/media/images/carmen-miranda1940.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/0a/4a/cb0a4ac28cb66386f0c7d01bd094f6cc.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b0/d9/c2/b0d9c26d1d4af8e61acbb077a93d457e.jpg

https://badulakit.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/carmen-miranda-badulaques3.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8UoD4RAK1Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0Pw5pDiEM

[mikeyup]

Maybe Alpine + Paleo-Atlantid.

[Xacal]

Alpine-Med

[Bell Beaker]

LETS START A FIGHT: She consider herself Brazilian in some quotes of her, so she is Brazilian
Its the same case of BELINDA PEREGRÍN, who is an immigrant that moved to mexico from Madrid when she was 4 years old and now consider herself " mexican"

But Brazil is a multiracial country so anyone would not think of her as foreign or obvious foreinger.

She was although genetically different from most Brazilians and the fact that she was baptized in Portugal is important also.

But here you have the proof that White girls can dance. xD

[Bell Beaker]

Btw, according to stupid people here she would be Brazilian but to me she is Portuguese since Brazil is an independent country and she moved from another place

She is Portuguese, but probably culturally she was Brazilian, and she identified with Brazil. She must have some aspects from Portugal but she wasn't raised in a Portuguese ghetoo...... So.

[Bell Beaker]

I dont think so, there an austrian family here where i live and people call them the family of gringos cause they are immigrants, rarely speaks portuguese but their sons do it well

Yeah I forgot to mention once the immigrants start to speak you can immediatly identify them as foreigners..... But if you didn't know that family, and if they passed in the street would you think those were foreigners?

[Bell Beaker]

Carmen Miranda used a lot of african brazilian culture
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d8/c5/aa/d8c5aa663f5d197a321f823d73b35866.jpg
Those clothings are uses most by black women from Bahia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojo3I59Gn6c

She was famous because she performed Latin American music styles, so she had to hear typical Brazilian clothes, and she popularized Samba in North America, and we all know Samba has West African roots.

[Bell Beaker]

I would not think, but when they speak... brazilians would call them gringos or foreigners

Of course, but notice that for example when I see a blackman here I assume automatically that he is a immigrant or a son of immigrants, or a person who looks Russian/Ukrainian.

Why? Because Portugal and Portuguese people are a homogenous ethnic group and a very old one, we have our own look and we descend basically from the same ancestors who settled this land thousands of years ago. Brazil is a country of immigrants from everywhere so I guess when you see a very fair/light skinned person you don't assume he is immigrant just that he has relatevely recent Euro immigrant blood......

[Bell Beaker]

People here dont consider immigrants as brazilian, my grandfather had portuguese immigrant friend and he told me " he doesnt even know how to speak brazilian"

Well most Americans probably would say"You don't speak American" to a English immigrant, but it depends on the type of Immigrant, if a person was born in a country and moved there when it was a child/baby (like Carmen) he would be raised in the New country but he will have immidiate influences from his host country, probably he would not speak the native language of his homeland (or with the accent).

I doubt that Carmen ever spoke Portuguese with European accent. Now a immigrant like Arnold Schwarzenegger who came to America when he was 24 years old, he will always speak with an accent even though it's not dificult for a Austrian/German to learn English, if you watch Schawarzenegger interventions you can notice a German accent.

[Bell Beaker]

This is another point, would make a new conversation about if she could pass here, so yeah

Of course she would pass in Brazil as a full blood European and specially as a full blood Iberian (which is not uncommon I guess).

[Bell Beaker]

Yeah, but if she speak she would be mistaken for what she is, an immigrant

I doubt she ever spoke Portuguese with european accent.

She grew and spent her childhood and teenage eyers in Rio.......

[Bell Beaker]

Lolita Rodrigues claims to be the daughter of Spanish Immigrants and she doesnt even have foreigner accent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ROIMWccveY

Her name is fully Portuguese, how can she be fully Spaniard? Only if her parents were from rural Galicia or something.....

[Bell Beaker]

"Filha dos imigrantes espanhóis Isaac e Isolina, cresceu acostumada a ouvir seus familiares cantando canções espanholas"
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_Rodrigues

They must have been from inland Galicia close to the border with Minho.