Just got my mtDNA test results!

[Peterski]

According to Family Tree DNA, I have mtDNA haplogroup W:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-W-map.png

Any other Apricitians with mtDNA haplogroup W out there ???

I must see where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.

[Dick]

According to Family Tree DNA, I have mtDNA haplogroup W:



Any other Apricitians with mtDNA haplogroup W out there ???

I must see where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.

Post your matches map. Plus, ony mtdna "full sequence", not HVR1 or 2, will tell you your specific subclade.

[Peterski]

Post your matches map. Plus, ony mtdna "full sequence", not HVR1 or 2, will tell you your specific subclade.

So far, I only ordered the cheaper test "mtDNA Plus".

I will need to upgrade it to "mt Full Sequence" later.

[Dick]

So far, I only ordered the cheaper test "mtDNA Plus".

I will need to upgrade it to "mt Full Sequence" later.

My full sequence showed my specific subclade and very few close matches

http://i66.tinypic.com/iq8sk1.jpg

[Peterski]

Post your matches map. Plus, ony mtdna "full sequence", not HVR1 or 2, will tell you your specific subclade.

Most of my matches are W6a. But this is based on HVR1 + HVR2, so as you say it can be misleading.

[Lucas]

According to Family Tree DNA, I have mtDNA haplogroup W:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-W-map.png

Any other Apricitians with mtDNA haplogroup W out there ???

I must see where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.

Do you think eupedia map is reliable?
This haplo looks Finchurian:) But there are some dark patches in north Caucasus. Which could be older?

[Peterski]

Do you think eupedia map is reliable?
This haplo looks Finchurian:) But there are some dark patches in north Caucasus. Which could be older?

I think it will be the best to check where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.

And this blog is also good when it comes to mtDNA: http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com


Which could be older?

Probably North Caucasus. Because this is not a Paleolithic-Mesolithic European haplo.

Here are mtDNA haplos that were common in Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europe:

U5b (could be found in areas from Iberia to Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia)
U8 (including U8a and U8c)
U6 (originated in Europe and later migrated to North Africa)
U2 (including U2e and U2d2)
U5a1 (could be found in areas from Russia to Sweden and Germany)
U5a2 (a more western branch of U5a)
U4 (from Russia and Lithuania to Sweden and Germany)
C1g (one sample in Mesolithic Karelia)
K1c (two samples in Mesolithic Greece)

Generally mtDNA haplogroup U was a typical haplo of native European hunter-gatherers.

Most of other mtDNA haplogroups came during Neolithic times and during the Metal Ages.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Cool result. I didnt even know their was a W haplogroup

[Ylla]

Have you tried this?

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

[LoLeL]

West Asian mtDNA. What is your subclade?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Spatial_frequency_distribution_of_haplogroup_W.png/800px-Spatial_frequency_distribution_of_haplogroup_W.png

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

you might find this useful. I just saw this

http://www.thecid.com/

[Peterski]

Wanda? 8th mother of Europe? :laugh:

Wanda co nie chciała Niemca?

[Peterski]

West Asian mtDNA.

What makes it "West Asian"?

It is likely either Neolithic EEF or Steppe PIE, depending on subclade.

Check these mtDNA resources:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wO2kKWinRQepqXrS7yxY5W4fzFDYAjVL7G5U7g8iklo/edit#gid=751575292

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?193420-Steppe-mtDNA-listing&p=4020434&viewfull=1#post4020434

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRfrKlDa5Z0Gd1SdeC-y4qgZa7lOrFqBcuxptgZ8HSA/edit

http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml


What is your subclade?

I don't know yet. Maybe W6a because most of my matches are W6a:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?198705-Just-got-my-mtDNA-test-results!&p=4142896&viewfull=1#post4142896

[LoLeL]

Haplogroup W is believed to have originated around 23,900 years ago in Western Asia. It is descended from the haplogroup N2.
Soares, Pedro; Luca Ermini; Noel Thomson; Maru Mormina; Teresa Rito; Arne Röhl; Antonio Salas; Stephen Oppenheimer; Vincent Macaulay; Martin B. Richards (4 Jun 2009). "Supplemental Data Correcting for Purifying Selection: An Improved Human Mitochondrial Molecular Clock". The American Journal of Human Genetics. 84 (6): 82–93.

Check its Wikipedia page.

[Peterski]

Haplogroup W is believed to have originated around 23,900 years ago in Western Asia. (...)

Check its Wikipedia page.

Around 24,000 years ago... I'm interested in more recent times. :)


you might find this useful. I just saw this

http://www.thecid.com/

Thanks! LOL, so my great-great-great... grandma was Wilma: :p

http://t15.deviantart.net/bCerrUbtXHHv9OyeiZbyTg7W2CA=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre03/3458/th/pre/f/2014/005/8/b/wilma_flintstone_hanna_barbera_by_le0arts-d5zgg2z.jpg

[Peterski]

Have you tried this?

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

Not yet, thanks!

[Petalpusher]

Mspf has the same rare mtdna, maybe both from Vandals.

[Petalpusher]

Where is Vandaal?
Wisła, ja Wisła, Grab zgłoś się... http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/035.gif

They were definetly in what is now Poland, at some point.

[Danaan]

It seems good. Have you seen that?

(From Eupedia)
A study conducted by Maruszak et al. (2014) analysed the mtDNA of 395 elite Polish athletes (213 endurance athletes and 182 power athletes) and 413 sedentary controls and found that haplogroup W is among the most overrepresented mtDNA types among power athletes at the Olympic/World Class level. Haplogroup W5a in particular carries the 16362C mutation, one of the two polymorphisms associated in this study with achieving the elite performance level. Another study by Murakami et al. (2002) associated the same 16362C polymorphism and 16223T (found in all members of haplogroup W) with higher training responsiveness. Three other polymorphisms were associated with increased VO2max, including 199C, which defines the W3a1c, W3a1d and W3b clades.

[Peterski]

It seems good. Have you seen that?

(From Eupedia)
A study conducted by Maruszak et al. (2014) analysed the mtDNA of 395 elite Polish athletes (213 endurance athletes and 182 power athletes) and 413 sedentary controls and found that haplogroup W is among the most overrepresented mtDNA types among power athletes at the Olympic/World Class level. Haplogroup W5a in particular carries the 16362C mutation, one of the two polymorphisms associated in this study with achieving the elite performance level. Another study by Murakami et al. (2002) associated the same 16362C polymorphism and 16223T (found in all members of haplogroup W) with higher training responsiveness. Three other polymorphisms were associated with increased VO2max, including 199C, which defines the W3a1c, W3a1d and W3b clades.

Yes, I noticed. :D I guess there is a good chance that Mariusz Pudzianowski is also W:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariusz_Pudzianowski

BTW, here is the list (maybe incomplete) of ancient DNA samples of mtDNA haplo W:

1) Neolithic Europe & Western Anatolia (= 11 samples):

W1c'i: ~6500-6200 BC, I1097, Neolithic Turkey
W: ~5500 BC, Starčevo Culture, Hungary=2
W6: ~5500-4500 BC, Va7, Neolithic Romania
W1c'i: ~5000 BC, LBK Culture, Germany=2
W: ~5000 BC, LBK Culuture, Germany=1
W1c-i: ~4000 BC, Schöningen Culture, Germany=2
W: ~3800 BC, QLB 3, Baalberge Culture, Germany
W1c'i: ~3000 BC, BENZ18, Bernburg Culture, Germany

2) Copper Age and Bronze Age Steppe (= 4 samples):

W: ~3500-3000 BC, MAJ9, Ukraine (Steppe)
W6: ~3500-3000 BC, Yamnaya Culture=2
W3a1a: SVP57, Yamnaya Culture

3) Copper Age and Bronze Age Europe (= 7 samples):

W6a: ESP16, 2600 BC, Corded Ware Germany
W1c1: BZH 15, 2500-2050 BC, Bell Beaker Germany
W: EUL 22, 2198-2162 BC, Bell Beaker Germany
W3a1: ESP4, 2118-1961 BC, Unetice Culture Germany
W: ~2000 BC, Unetice Culture Germany=2
W: ~2000 BC, 6H, Minoan Civilization Greece

[Lucas]

What retards analize mt among athlets, but not Y? :picard1:

Good point:)

[knowledge is king]

There is a database http://www.mitosearch.org/
You can upload your results here I suppose.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I'm U2e like the Udmurts, it's a rare haplogroup actually, most common among Udmurts and Mordvins of Russia

[knowledge is king]

To the bottom.

Can you establish some useful information by studying your mtDNA at the first place?

The problem is, it isn't changing so fast as Y-dna.
All people, who live in one specific area, they all can have similar mtDNA.
Secondly, people of completely different ethnicities can have the same mtDNA.

Hence this results you got, they won't tell your ethnicity, neither your origin.

So, finally, what exact information can you know, by studying your mtDNA?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

To the bottom.

Can you establish some useful information by studying your mtDNA at the first place?

The problem is, it isn't changing so fast as Y-dna.
All people, who live in one specific area, they all can have similar mtDNA.
Secondly, people of completely different ethnicities can have the same mtDNA.

Hence this results you got, they won't tell your ethnicity, neither your origin.

So, finally, what exact information can you know, by studying your mtDNA?

I think mtdna and Y dna probably both matter to some extent

I've heard they both can influence brain function.

It doesn't say much about your ethnic origins but perhaps in mind I am closer to an Udmurt because of it. Who knows. My Y-dna is Irish and my mtDNA is mostly found in Uralic-speaking groups of Russia (Udmurts, Mordvins, etc.)

[MePologize]

Did you do BigY Already?

[knowledge is king]

I think mtdna and Y dna probably both matter to some extent

I've heard they both can influence brain function.

It doesn't say much about your ethnic origins but perhaps in mind I am closer to an Udmurt because of it. Who knows. My Y-dna is Irish and my mtDNA is mostly found in Uralic-speaking groups of Russia (Udmurts, Mordvins, etc.)

As long as I studied this topic till this moment.

I can say, you should make a full sequence of mtDNA to know your specific haplogroup for sure.
The results in 23andMe and mtPlus are inaccurate.

Secondly, mtDNA can be homogeneously distributed over vast area. It won't tell you anything specific basically.
You can't tell, that certain people of specific ethnicity have your mtDNA, because they are widely distributed among people.

[de Burgh II]

If anyone wants to research more scholarly journals/articles for their mtdna and ydna haplogroups; you can use google scholar to cross reference a good portion of articles from genealogical researchers/geneticists here... :p

https://scholar.google.com/

[knowledge is king]

Becasue women are clanless, so they were distributing widly, and the same is mt.
As you can see also from any ancient study, they were scattered already in the
times, when paleoethnicities (who were almost stricktly paternal) emerged.

And mt can be also transmitted by men - not often, but such possible existed.
So if you have 200-300 female generations in last 4-5k years, there is certainly
at least one accident, if not couple of them. You can;t be sure, that it is pure
female line, even if you would want to give to that fact some artificial meaning.

What is funny, the main clades are dated as even older than these 5000 years,
so at least theoretically (because mankind doesn;t exist so long) those incidents
are much more often, as I did suggest.

I am trying to order Big-Y currently, but my previous Y-32 test isn't ready and thus I have not access to it at this moment.

I read, that I can ask my group administrator in order to do it or otherwise I can write to FTDNA support to make this order.

I have a coupon of 100$ discount for it also. But I am not sure if I can afford it at full price of 575$.

I wrote in both direction actually, but they don't answer me in several days.

Can you suggest what should I do in this situation?

How can I order and pay Big-Y when my previous test isn't ready yet?

[knowledge is king]

Waite for your result. Do not be so quick! :)

Idk, how, becasue I didn't do this myself. But admin should do this for you.

Basically, I was recommended not to waste my money on any other test and to buy Big-Y straight away. Later I should upload my .bam file to yFull for more appropriate interpretation.

I can order a full sequence of Y later for deep scientific studies here, for instance. https://www.fullgenomes.com/

But Big-Y himself can grant some basic results. It will give me 400 markers in comparison to 100 in Y-111. But this will be not the same markers. This is why I should make a third party test like YSEQ later or to make a full sequence to be specific.

Basically, I read, that Big-Y is the last test, that I need in studies of my Y-chromosome.

[de Burgh II]

Mtdna W:

Figure 9 shows clusters I, W and X, charac-terised by the ancestral state at position 16223(which was probably the major ‘out-of-Africa’sequence: Calafell et al. 1996; Watson et al. 1997).Together, these clusters comprise only 5% of the total data set. Cluster I may be fairly ancient:C 35000 years old in Europe (cf. 26000–34 000years: Torroni et al. 1994), although this age strongly depends on the time of appearance ofthe mutation at 16311 on the 16129–16223 background. Cluster I is now very rare, occurring at only C 2% in the present data set, and seemingly distributed mainly in the north and west of Europe. Cluster W has a more recent age of 18500 years (although W may, as with T,break down into several founder clusters of more recent age) and appears more diverse in southern than northern Europe, but this may again simply reflect its rarity – only 1% of the present data. The 16189–16223–16278 signature charac-teristic of most of cluster X seems to have been at the centre of an expansion, forming a simplestar-like phylogeny, with an age of C 24000 years (although the low frequency of theselineages, at again only C 2%, again render anyconclusion extremely tentative). Surprisingly,cluster X also occurs at low frequency amongst native North Americans (Ward et al. 1991;Bandelt et al. 1995; Scozzari et al. 1997). Thismay suggest a common origin with Europeancluster X in the vicinity of the Near East.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.1998.6230241.x/epdf

Figure 9 of mtdna sequence:
https://s24.postimg.org/wj6l7z7lh/gggg.jpg

Looks like W is mostly Western-Central European in origin. So its generally a Western-Eurasian haplogroup give or take.

If we do the math in respects to W's (mtdna) origin: It should roughly coincide with the late Upper Paleolithic period of Europe with Hunter-gatherers so its safe to assume it is fairly old haplogroup coinciding with the Hunter-gatherers.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

If anyone wants to research more scholarly journals/articles for their mtdna and ydna haplogroups; you can use google scholar to cross reference a good portion of articles from genealogical researchers/geneticists here... :p

https://scholar.google.com/

http://image.prntscr.com/image/06e9294b610141cc97eeebad6f0e0197.png

here's what comes for mine

funnily enough, if it is actually Jewish, then that makes me a certified Jew because it is passed down through the Mother according to Jewish law.

Obviously mtDNA can be found among all groups but they might be arguing in Europeans it could be Jewish, who knows, I'll read more in full detail, I just thought the fact that this is all that comes up for my mtDNA was hilarious.

[Dick]

Most of my matches are W6a. But this is based on HVR1 + HVR2, so as you say it can be misleading.

If most of your matches are W6a then that may well be your mt subclade


W6a: found in Russia, Lithuania, Poland and Slovakia

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

kek, just found out im HIV resistant because I'm U (U and K are the HIV resistant mtDNA groups)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Rollins et al. (2009) examined the association between brain pH and mtDNA alleles. The highest brain pH was found in members of haplogroups U and K. Higher pH confers protection against Parkinson's disease and psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder. Another study by the University of Manchester suggests that a lower brain acidity (i.e. higher pH) has a protective effect against strokes. Research on intelligence point that people with higher IQ tend to have more alkaline brains. Higher pH is associated with better conductivity-transmission between neurons (source).

Hendrickson et al. (2008) studied the role played by mitochondrial function in AIDS progression in HIV-1 infected persons. They found that AIDS progression was slower for members of haplogroups H3, I, K, U, W and X.

so basically U/K = masterrace (more intelligent, resistant to AIDs and Strokes and mental disorders)

[Dick]

kek, just found out im HIV resistant because I'm U (U and K are the HIV resistant mtDNA groups)

Cool. Red rover, red rover come on over and bend over

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Cool. Red rover, red rover come on over and bend over

pretty convenient for me actually lel

[Peterski]

http://www.y-str.org/2014/12/hiv-immunity-test.html

[Dick]

http://www.y-str.org/2014/12/hiv-immunity-test.html

I downloaded it and got an HIV. Thanks.

[de Burgh II]

I downloaded it and got an HIV. Thanks.

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😭

[Governor]

Mine is also W but unfortunately i don't know any further info about it and i done this test by national geographic.

[CordedWhelp]

According to Family Tree DNA, I have mtDNA haplogroup W:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_W_mtDNA.shtml

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-W-map.png

Any other Apricitians with mtDNA haplogroup W out there ???

I must see where can this haplogroup be found in ancient DNA.

Not a "W" myself, but another Polak with a rare-ish mtdna group.