View Full Version : footballers from Cremona, Lombardy: do they look closer to Ashkenazi Jews or Portuguese?
caviezel
12-24-2016, 07:23 PM
female footballers from Cremona, Lombardy: genetically closer to Portugal but lookwise?
https://www.tuttocampo.it/Lombardia/Femminile/GironeASerieC/Squadra/Castelleone/1022306/Rosa#.WF7Xvel6fcf
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Sikeliot
12-24-2016, 07:24 PM
Neither? They look like French.
France or Spain, but Portugal out of the two.
It's the south Italians that look somewhat jewish.
MinervaItalica
12-24-2016, 07:50 PM
It's the south Italians that look somewhat jewish.
Orly?
OT: What is exactly this "Ashkenazi look"? Jewish could resamble many ethnicities in Europe.
Orly?
OT: What is exactly this "Ashkenazi look" Jewish could resamble many ethnicities in Europe.
I'm talking about the classical Jewish look.
Both jews and sicilians are one of the purest early European farmers. Sicilians in particular. Sicilians are the closest European group to jews. Jews lived in Italy quite some time and they're very south Euro influenced as well.
Sikeliot
12-24-2016, 07:58 PM
I'm talking about the classical Jewish look.
Both jews and sicilians are one of the purest early European farmers. Sicilians in particular. Sicilians are the closest European group to jews. Jews lived in Italy quite some time and they're very south Euro influenced as well.
Another way of putting it that I think makes sense (and this also applies to the Maltese):
In addition to significant Neolithic West Asian (Anatolian and Caucasian) DNA, Sicilians also have some degree of Levantine input, shared with the ancestors of Israelites, Phoenicians, etc. Likewise, Ashkenazim have significant ancestry directly from Italy, especially the north of the country, obtained before the Jews moved into the Rhine Valley, and many Sicilians have historical admixture from further north in Italy.
Together these two elements will make both groups quite similar, as they share similar ancestors both in Italy and in the Near East, and quite low North European input.
Myanthropologies
12-24-2016, 08:06 PM
I'm talking about the classical Jewish look.
Both jews and sicilians are one of the purest early European farmers. Sicilians in particular. Sicilians are the closest European group to jews. Jews lived in Italy quite some time and they're very south Euro influenced as well.
No they aren't lol. Jews aren't pure farmer, their paternal side comes from straight up swarthy semites that other Levantines also descend from. Sardinians are the closest to pure farmer, and they are nowhere near sicilians or jews genetically.
MinervaItalica
12-24-2016, 08:07 PM
I'm talking about the classical Jewish look.
Both jews and sicilians are one of the purest early European farmers. Sicilians in particular. Sicilians are the closest European group to jews. Jews lived in Italy quite some time and they're very south Euro influenced as well.
Please...
Jews lived in many other countries too probably for even more time. Ashkenazi in particular are the Jews of Central Europe.
The Ashkenazim settled and established communities throughout Central and Eastern Europe, which was their primary region of concentration and residence from the Middle Ages until recent times. They subsequently evolved their own distinctive culture and diasporic identities.[17] Throughout their time in Europe, the Ashkenazim have made many important contributions to philosophy, scholarship, literature, art, music, and science.
By the high medieval period, Talmudic commentators like Rashi began to use Ashkenaz/Eretz Ashkenaz to designate Germany, earlier known as Loter,[36][38] where, especially in the Rhineland communities of Speyer, Worms and Mainz, the most important Jewish communities arose.
Jewish letters referred to the Crusaders as Ashkenazim.[38] Given the close links between the Jewish communities of France and Germany following the Carolingian unification, the term Ashkenazi came to refer to both the Jews of medieval Germany and France.
Myanthropologies
12-24-2016, 08:09 PM
Please...
Jews lived in many other countries too probably for even more time. Ashkenazi in particular are the Jews of Central Europe.
Whether you like it or not, Ashkenazis share their paternal ancestry with Palestinians, Lebanese, etc, and their maternal line comes from North Italy. They are genetically closer to Levantines and even Bedouins than they are to French.
No they aren't lol. Jews aren't pure farmer, their paternal side comes from straight up swarthy semites that other Levantines also descend from. Sardinians are the closest to pure farmer, and they are nowhere near sicilians or jews genetically.
Maybe Eupedia is inaccurate, but not that inaccurate...
http://i.imgur.com/pQjAIjQ.png
Myanthropologies
12-24-2016, 08:11 PM
Maybe Eupedia is inaccurate, but not that inaccurate...
http://i.imgur.com/pQjAIjQ.png
It is inaccurate, farmers were not closest to Levantines and Iranians lol. They were closest to Sardinians, Sardinians are almost pure farmer, that's why they're so genetically isolated.
Sikeliot
12-24-2016, 08:13 PM
Whether you like it or not, Ashkenazis share their paternal ancestry with Palestinians, Lebanese, etc, and their maternal line comes from North Italy.
Hence why their autosomal DNA lands them in Sicily.
Myanthropologies
12-24-2016, 08:14 PM
Hence why their autosomal DNA lands them in Sicily.
Yes
Damiăo de Góis
12-24-2016, 08:25 PM
I would say they look closer to jews overall. Don't know about genetically but might be the same.
Here is Estoril for comparison:
http://www.gdestorilpraia.pt/equipa/feminino/
Newsboy
12-24-2016, 09:26 PM
Neither
Myanthropologies
12-25-2016, 03:50 AM
And to answer OPs question, most pass as both.
Sebastianus Rex
01-22-2019, 03:55 AM
As a group they lack armenoid features, so Portuguese imo.
Rouxinol
01-22-2019, 04:00 AM
Closer to Ashkenazi Juden.
Look more Ashkenazi than Iberian, in my swarthy opinion..
Regnera
01-22-2019, 04:06 AM
France or Spain, but Portugal out of the two.
It's the south Italians that look somewhat jewish.
Cremona is in northern Italy
Neither of them.
Cremona is in northern Italy and was Cisalpine Gaul with a proto-Celtic population. During the centuries it underwent mainly the Lombard, Germanic and Austrian domination and only for short periods the French and Spanish. Ethnically the Northern Italians are part of the indoeuropean Italic-Celtic family with Mediterranean and Germanic influence and those with Lombard origins have very little in common with Portuguese and Ashkenazi Jews.
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