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johen
12-29-2016, 06:13 PM
classify karitiana man in Amazon with 42% of ANE(Ancient North Eurasian)

https://img.socioambiental.org/d/213016-1/karitiana_3.jpg
https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/karitiana/386


Very little is known about the history of the Karitiana prior to the start of the 20th century. The first reference to this group in the literature dates from 1909, in a report by Captain Manoel Teophilo da Costa Pinheiro, one of the members of the Rondon Commission. In 1910 Marshall Rondon himself mentions the Karitiana, then living close to the middle Jaci-Paraná river: this data was later used by Curt Nimuendajú on his Ethnohistorical Map. However, it seems that the first contacts with whites took place earlier, at the end of the 18th century, and intensified with the arrival en masse of rubber tappers and caucho rubber extractivists towards the close of the 19th century. Nonetheless, the Karitiana avoided systematic contact until the 1950s, the presence of whites becoming permanent from around the middle of this decade with the arrival of the SPI and Salesian missionaries.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
12-29-2016, 06:16 PM
ANEs probably looked similar to this. They had Oceanian element in themselves (so even Europeans can say they are a bit Oceanian) as Mal'ta Boy had some Papuan genetics. Otherwise they were Paleo-Siberian genetically. This man looks like a sort of Siberian/Papuan hybrid so this is probably pretty representative.

The figure buried with Mal'ta boy looked like this, not to mention.

Zmey Gorynych
12-29-2016, 06:20 PM
classify karitiana man in Amazon with 42% of ANE(Ancient Northern European)
I'm pretty sure ANE stands for Ancient North Eurasian ... not european

Pahli
12-29-2016, 06:26 PM
ANEs probably looked similar to this. They had Oceanian element in themselves (so even Europeans can say they are a bit Oceanian) as Mal'ta Boy had some Papuan genetics. Otherwise they were Paleo-Siberian genetically. This man looks like a sort of Siberian/Papuan hybrid so this is probably pretty representative.

The figure buried with Mal'ta boy looked like this, not to mention.

Wrong, the Mal'ta boy sample looks like this and wouldn't have been similar to the karitiana man:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 32.06
2 Samoedic 14.59
3 North-Amerind 13.6
4 Indian 11.62
5 Indo-Iranian 8.89
6 Mesoamerican 7.47
7 West-Asian 5.02
8 North-European-Mesolithic 3.6
9 South-America_Amerind 2.14
10 Arctic-Amerind 0.81
11 Sub-Saharian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Udmurd (derived) 24.08
2 Mari (derived) 24.73
3 Chuvash (derived) 24.81
4 Aleut (derived) 24.94
5 Tatar (derived) 25.02
6 Mansi (derived) 26.94
7 Bashkir (derived) 27.15
8 Komi (derived) 27.44
9 Tatar_Kryashen (derived) 28.51
10 Tatar_Lithuania (derived) 29.21
11 Tartar_Mishar (derived) 29.78
12 Colville (derived) 33.73
13 Miwok (derived) 34.24
14 Tsimsian (derived) 34.3
15 Mordovian (derived) 35.94
16 Ste7 (derived) 36.72
17 Mordovian_V (derived) 36.87
18 Russian_North (derived) 37.1
19 Tadjik (derived) 37.33
20 Shor (derived) 37.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% Chuvash (derived) + 26.1% Navajo (derived) @ 14.72
2 71.6% Udmurd (derived) + 28.4% Apache (derived) @ 15.17
3 75.1% Udmurd (derived) + 24.9% Navajo (derived) @ 15.22
4 70.7% Chuvash (derived) + 29.3% Apache (derived) @ 15.3
5 70.9% Mari (derived) + 29.1% Apache (derived) @ 15.41
6 71.3% Komi (derived) + 28.7% Navajo (derived) @ 15.49
7 66.5% Udmurd (derived) + 33.5% Haida (derived) @ 15.58
8 74.6% Mari (derived) + 25.4% Navajo (derived) @ 15.62
9 75.4% Udmurd (derived) + 24.6% Tlingit (derived) @ 15.85
10 65.8% Mari (derived) + 34.2% Haida (derived) @ 16.02
11 67.9% Komi (derived) + 32.1% Apache (derived) @ 16.27
12 74.8% Chuvash (derived) + 25.2% Tlingit (derived) @ 16.32
13 75.1% Mari (derived) + 24.9% Tlingit (derived) @ 16.56
14 75.5% Chuvash (derived) + 24.5% Luiseno (derived) @ 16.64
15 66.2% Chuvash (derived) + 33.8% Haida (derived) @ 16.72
16 75.1% Tatar (derived) + 24.9% Navajo (derived) @ 16.8
17 80.6% Udmurd (derived) + 19.4% Athabask (derived) @ 16.88
18 63.5% Udmurd (derived) + 36.5% Tsimsian (derived) @ 16.94
19 69% Mansi (derived) + 31% Apache (derived) @ 17.05
20 72.8% Mansi (derived) + 27.2% Navajo (derived) @ 17.06

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
12-29-2016, 06:38 PM
Wrong, the Mal'ta boy sample looks like this and wouldn't have been similar to the karitiana man:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 32.06
2 Samoedic 14.59
3 North-Amerind 13.6
4 Indian 11.62
5 Indo-Iranian 8.89
6 Mesoamerican 7.47
7 West-Asian 5.02
8 North-European-Mesolithic 3.6
9 South-America_Amerind 2.14
10 Arctic-Amerind 0.81
11 Sub-Saharian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Udmurd (derived) 24.08
2 Mari (derived) 24.73
3 Chuvash (derived) 24.81
4 Aleut (derived) 24.94
5 Tatar (derived) 25.02
6 Mansi (derived) 26.94
7 Bashkir (derived) 27.15
8 Komi (derived) 27.44
9 Tatar_Kryashen (derived) 28.51
10 Tatar_Lithuania (derived) 29.21
11 Tartar_Mishar (derived) 29.78
12 Colville (derived) 33.73
13 Miwok (derived) 34.24
14 Tsimsian (derived) 34.3
15 Mordovian (derived) 35.94
16 Ste7 (derived) 36.72
17 Mordovian_V (derived) 36.87
18 Russian_North (derived) 37.1
19 Tadjik (derived) 37.33
20 Shor (derived) 37.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.9% Chuvash (derived) + 26.1% Navajo (derived) @ 14.72
2 71.6% Udmurd (derived) + 28.4% Apache (derived) @ 15.17
3 75.1% Udmurd (derived) + 24.9% Navajo (derived) @ 15.22
4 70.7% Chuvash (derived) + 29.3% Apache (derived) @ 15.3
5 70.9% Mari (derived) + 29.1% Apache (derived) @ 15.41
6 71.3% Komi (derived) + 28.7% Navajo (derived) @ 15.49
7 66.5% Udmurd (derived) + 33.5% Haida (derived) @ 15.58
8 74.6% Mari (derived) + 25.4% Navajo (derived) @ 15.62
9 75.4% Udmurd (derived) + 24.6% Tlingit (derived) @ 15.85
10 65.8% Mari (derived) + 34.2% Haida (derived) @ 16.02
11 67.9% Komi (derived) + 32.1% Apache (derived) @ 16.27
12 74.8% Chuvash (derived) + 25.2% Tlingit (derived) @ 16.32
13 75.1% Mari (derived) + 24.9% Tlingit (derived) @ 16.56
14 75.5% Chuvash (derived) + 24.5% Luiseno (derived) @ 16.64
15 66.2% Chuvash (derived) + 33.8% Haida (derived) @ 16.72
16 75.1% Tatar (derived) + 24.9% Navajo (derived) @ 16.8
17 80.6% Udmurd (derived) + 19.4% Athabask (derived) @ 16.88
18 63.5% Udmurd (derived) + 36.5% Tsimsian (derived) @ 16.94
19 69% Mansi (derived) + 31% Apache (derived) @ 17.05
20 72.8% Mansi (derived) + 27.2% Navajo (derived) @ 17.06

He shared 4% with modern Papuans last I heard

I suppose it isn't that much.

johen
12-29-2016, 06:45 PM
RE: Malta boy,
who had phenotype of american Indian.

https://s31.postimg.org/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png

Intriguingly, individuals of the Bronze Age Okunevo culture from the Sayano-Altai region (Fig. 1) are related to present-day Native Americans (Extended Data Fig. 2d), which confirms previous craniometric studies30. This finding implies that Okunevo could represent a remnant population related to the Upper Palaeolithic Mal’ta hunter-gatherer population from Lake Baikal that contributed genetic material to Native Americans4.

johen
12-29-2016, 06:56 PM
Lapponoid or not?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?135680-Lapponoid-examples