Armenian Immigration to Europe and North America. Poll!

[Petros Agapetos]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries. Please list the reasons why.

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?

[Shah-Jehan]

Yes, armo girls are hot.

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenians are Christians, and surrounded my Muslims. I think that's one reason why we link up with Europeans. Also they are descended from Indo-Europeans. The Armenian language is an independent branch of the Indo-European language family (like Greek and Albanian). Armenian is a satem language.

Armenians are very industrious people, hard working, innovative, and intelligent.

These are some Armenian inventions:

Michel Ter-Pogossian - PET Scanner
Stephan Stepanian - Truck Mounted Concrete Drum Mixer
Agnes Joaquim - Hybrid Orchid
Raymond Damadian - MRI Machine
Luther Simjian - ATM Machine, Flight Sim, Postage Meter + MORE
Peter Vosbikian - Self Wringing Sponge Mop
Boris Babaian - Russia's 1st Supercomputer
Albert Kapikian - Rotavirus Vaccine
Mesrop Mashtots - Armenian Alphabet
Ed Iskenderian - Hydraulic Racing Camshaft
Varaztad Kazanjian - Plastic Surgery
Alex Manoogian - Single Handle Faucet Design
Ardashes Aykanian - Bendy & Spoon Straw, 1st Tupperware
Roger Altounyan - Pressured Inhaler, Sodium Therapy
Artem Mikoyan - MiG Military Aircraft
Arthur Bulbulian - A14 Oxygen Mask, WWII
Avie Tevanian - Mac OS X
Jirayr Tezel - Hair Transplant Device
Rouben Terzian - Toy Designer
Semyon Kirlian - High-Voltage Photography
Rupen Eksergian - Anti-Aircraft Gun WWI
Hovhaness Adamyan - Principles of B&W + Color TV
Emik Avakian - Text to Speech, Microfilm
Harry Tatosian - Ice Cream Cones, Melba Toast
Hampar Kelikian - Limb Restoration Surgical Techniques
Haig Kafafian - Cybernetic Communication
Christopher Der Seropian - Color of US Money

[Porn Master]

OWD detected

[Petros Agapetos]

The Caucusus are a transition zone between Europe and the Middle East, both culturally and genetically. Armenians are more closely related to Europeans than the other people who live in the South Caucasus (besides Georgians) and they are Christian, so they identify with white people more than their neighbors do.

Many Greeks have also have Near Eastern ancestry as the average Armenian. I'm sure that many people from Greece would be abused in Russia for being too dark. Even some some people from the UK and Germany are "dark" by Russian standards.

[Shah-Jehan]

The Caucusus are a transition zone between Europe and the Middle East, both culturally and genetically. Armenians are more closely related to Europeans than the other people who live in the South Caucuses and they are Christian, so they identify with white people more than their neighbors do.

Many Greeks have about as much Near Eastern ancestry as the average Armenian and some Portuguese people have recent black ancestry from the slave trade. I'm sure that many people from these two countries would be abused in Russia for being too dark. Even some some people from the UK and Germany are "dark" by Russian standards.

not really.

[Porn Master]

Extremely strong OWDism yay!

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenians are surrounded by Muslims: Turkey and Azerbaijan, on all three sides. The only Christian country in the area is Georgia. I think Armenia and Georgia should align with each other more. Armenia and Georgia are part of the European Council, which means they are eligible for EU membership considerations. Armenians have tremendous respect for Europe, and prefer to align themselves with Europe than the Muslim world.

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenians have tremendous respect for Europe and its people. Armenians oppose sharia law and Islam in all of its forms, and are a Christian secular society.

[Armenian Bishop]

Resettling Syrian Armenians (with Armenian ancestry) into Armenia, and its Karabakh Stronghold, seem like the best option, for Syrian Armenian Refugees: Nearly 17,000 Syrian Armenian Refugees have resettled in Armenia, and its Karabakh Stronghold. "Since the start of the conflict 16,623 Syrian citizens of ethnic Armenian background have arrived in Armenia, of whom about 13,000 displaced persons remained and found protection in Armenia as of July 2015. The government is offering several protection options including simplified naturalization by Armenian descent (15,000 persons acquired Armenian citizenship), accelerated asylum procedures and facilitated short, mid and long-term residence permits."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Syria

Levon Keoshkerian, a Syrian Armenian (with Armenian Ancestry), is a good example of the efficiency, and productive results, yielded from resettling Syrian Armenians into Armenia. He now successfully practices his silversmith craftsmanship in Yerevan, Armenia. Keoshkerian testified to his successful return to the ancestral homeland: “All my life I worked to preserve and develop the ancient craft of Armenian silversmiths. Now I have returned to the blessed land where the tradition was born.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-armenians-find-refuge-in-ancestral-homeland/

[Jehan]

I'am against massive immigration in general. I wouldn't mind some armenian immigrants.
But considering the situation of Armenia, I think it's better to secure the futur of your country that not to much people leave.

[Peterski]

Yes because we have positive experiences with Armenian immigration. In Poland this already happened and Armenians were always good immigrants, who integrated very welll and easily assimilated into mainstream Polish culture (that's why there is no any large Armenian Diaspora community in Poland today, but rather there are many ethnic Poles with partially Armenian ancestry, either distant or more recent):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-MJw-7xtI

Throughout history, there were at least four waves of Armenian immigration to Poland:

The first influx started in years 1045-1062 (after the conquest of Armenia by Seljuq Turks) and continued also after the 11th century at a slower pace (they were coming via Crimea, Bessarabia and Don River region) - those first immigrants settled mostly in Halychna and Podolia, areas which became parts of Poland in the 14th century. By 1630 Armenians fully integrated with Polish Catholic culture, which made assimilation and intermarriage much easier than in case of Polish Jews. Armenians who were descended from the first wave of immigrants became Polonized and melted into Polish people during the 17th century. The 2nd wave of Armenian migrants came in the 18th century from Moldavia and Wallachia - those became Polonized by the 1800s. The third wave came as refugees after the Armenian Genocide. It wasn't very numerous (several thousand people). Armenians from the third wave became acculturated and integrated during the 20th century (since nobody exterminated them, as it happened to Jews). After the end of WW2, 99% of Armenians in what used to be Eastern Poland moved westward, and only 1% stayed in the Soviet Union. Despite Polonization, many Armenians managed to preserve their traditions, customs and memory about ancestors. Finally, the last, most recent wave of Armenian immigrants came to Poland after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

There have been some prominent Poles of at least partial Armenian descent:

Juliusz Słowacki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliusz_Słowacki) (up to 1/4 Armenian - via maternal grandmother)
Zbigniew Herbert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Herbert) (up to 1/4 Armenian - via maternal grandmother)
Krzysztof Penderecki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Penderecki) (up to 1/4 Armenian - via paternal grandmother)
Jerzy Kawalerowicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Kawalerowicz) (some paternal ancestry from Armenian Kavalarian family)
Robert Makłowicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Isakowicz-Zaleski) (up to 1/8 Armenian - via one great-grandmother)
Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Isakowicz-Zaleski) (1/2 Armenian via mother)
Maja Bohosiewicz (http://www.eastnews.pl/en/groups/index/id/58346/section/stock/phrase/maja%20gajkowska) (some paternal ancestry from Armenian Poghosyan family)
Sonia Bohosiewicz (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1338476/) (sister of Maja Bohosiewicz)

And some in case of whom I haven't found info on how much of Armenian ancestry do (or did) they have:

Teodor Axentowicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Axentowicz) (painter)
Ignacy Łukasiewicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacy_Łukasiewicz) (inventor, petroleum industry pioneer)
Karol Mikuli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Mikuli) (musician)
Anna Dymna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Dymna) (actress, philanthropist)
Szymon Szymonowic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szymon_Szymonowic) (poet)
Jakub Paschalis-Jakubowicz (enterpreneur)
Ignacy Nikorowicz (writer)
Ewa Stolzman-Kotlarczyk (actress)
Izaak Mikołaj Isakowicz (philanthropist, patriotic activist)
Leszek Józef Serafinowicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Lechoń) (poet & diplomat)
Łukasz Abgarowicz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Łukasz_Abgarowicz) (politician)
Wojciech Mojzesowicz (politician)
Vahan Gevorgyan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vahan_Gevorgyan) (Armenian-born footballer)

[Peterski]

Armenian communities used to be concentrated mostly in Eastern Poland.

Map of density of Catholic churches of the Armenian Ordinance in year 1772:

http://s7.postimg.org/83szjkvfv/Armenian_Church.png

[Sikeliot]

Many Greeks have about as much Near Eastern ancestry as the average Armenian

I'd like to see some evidence for this.

[Wanderer]

Can't respond to the poll. To North America, sure. To Europe, it depends where in Europe. I'm indifferent about them moving to Western Europe, in general. To Ukraine, I am opposed. But said opposition is not strictly against Armenians; I'd say the same about any people who are not ethnic Ukrainians. And even then, my position must be clarified. It's really a matter of proportions rather than absolutes. A hypothetical lone Armenian is not an issue. One million would be.

[Petros Agapetos]

I'd like to see some evidence for this.

Colonies of Italy/Greece (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/ethnicity/italian-greek)
Besides Sicily and southern Italy, the Greeks established many more colonies around the Mediterranean, from approximately 750 B.C. until 500 B.C. Established as small city-states, most of these colonies were trading outposts. Others were created by refugees when Greek cities were overrun and the displaced inhabitants looked for new land. More than 90 Greek colonies were established, from Ukraine and Russia to the north, Turkey to the east, southern Spain in the west, and Egypt and Libya in the south.

The Classical Age of Greece began around the 5th century B.C. It was the era of Athens, Sparta, the birth of democracy, and many of Greece’s famous playwrights and philosophers. After two bloody wars with the Persian Empire, Athens and Sparta went to war with each other, leading to the eventual decline of both. The Macedonian king, Philip II, united the Greek city-states in 338 B.C. After Philip’s assassination, his son, Alexander the Great, became king of Macedonia and carried out his father’s plans to invade Persia. Alexander led his armies in conquest of the Middle East, part of India, and Egypt, spreading the Greek language and culture throughout much of the ancient world. His triumph was short-lived, however; he died on his campaign and his conquered territories were divided among his generals. But many important Greek cities and colonies were established and remained under Greek rule, including Seleucia, Antioch and Alexandria.

While Greece spread its influence eastward, the small city of Rome was growing into a regional power in Italy. As the Roman Republic expanded, it established colonies of Roman citizens to maintain control of newly conquered lands. By the time Julius Caesar seized power from the Senate, the Roman war machine was nearly unstoppable. Soldiers who served for years in the military were rewarded with land in Roman colonies throughout the empire, which stretched from Turkey and the Middle East to Spain and northern France.

[Armenian Bishop]

where is your proof that I troll armenians? It's not trolling, it's the truth. Your countryman spreads latent hatred toward other confessions and such OWD bullshit and you don't say a single word to him,so? :picard1:

Making a claim that he has "Off White Dilemma" (aka, OWD) is understandable, and I didn't thumb it down, but posting cherrypicked porn to insult Armenians is quite another (a face palm for that). But, I definitely don't agree with Petros Agapetos about everything, and there are differences, but in this thread, I see him posing a question about the acceptability of Armenian immigration to Europe. He posted data and information from a mountain of Armenian Diaspora contributions to Western Societies in general (Europeans among them), that in itself isn't OWD, it just stating facts for people to evaluate. On the other hand, you seem blind to those contributions, and you prefer to see Armenians as an ugly people. You're ethnicity is from the Mari Chuvash, a Turkic People, but that doesn't explain it, because it's the Turkic People from Turkey and Azerbaijan whom usually exhibit that kind of hatred. So, I really don't understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people

[Armenian Bishop]

I'm not always in agreement with Petros Agapetos, and their are some fundamental ways that our viewpoints are different. For example: I don't agree with his views about Atheism, and I'd find it more acceptable if he held an agnostic viewpoint, rather than the dogmatic conclusions forged with Atheism. I haven't yet addressed the differences in our viewpoints.

As for this matter of Armenian Immigration to Europe, I'm in agreement with him about it, because Armenians have successfully and peacefully immigrated to Europe for Centuries, without unfortunate incidents, especially during the last 150 years.

[Myanthropologies]

No, because why do they even need to go there?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Brazil have a big Armenian community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Brazilians

in my city has an subway station called Armenia

http://www.conexaocultural.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pari-3.jpg

I like Armenians :)

[Armenian Bishop]

I'am against massive immigration in general. I wouldn't mind some armenian immigrants.
But considering the situation of Armenia, I think it's better to secure the futur of your country that not to much people leave.

I agree, Armenia should be a fertile homeland, that flourishes economically. Unfortunately, it's a landlocked country, which borders hostile neighbors: Turkey, and Azerbaijan. The economic lifeline through Georgia does well, but it can get rather difficult to manage. Only Iran provides an enthusiastic uninhibited friendship, on Armenia's borders. After the destruction of the Western Armenian Homeland (a century ago), and much of its eastern resources in Azerbaijan, as well, the indigenous resources of the homeland have been seriously compromised. It's kind of like what would happen if the USA granted independence and sovereignty to the Indian Reservations, but then promptly imposed an economic embargo against those people.

[Berahthraban]

I have a good impression of Armenians, but no, no, no. Why really? And they're not as much European as Greeks, like you're always implying, rather far from it.

[Berahthraban]

Can't respond to the poll. To North America, sure. To Europe, it depends where in Europe. I'm indifferent about them moving to Western Europe, in general. To Ukraine, I am opposed. But said opposition is not strictly against Armenians; I'd say the same about any people who are not ethnic Ukrainians. And even then, my position must be clarified. It's really a matter of proportions rather than absolutes. A hypothetical lone Armenian is not an issue. One million would be.

Why indifferent to Western Europe, if I may ask?

[Armenian Bishop]

When Armenians have departed from their native homeland, their diaspora groups can be absorbed and assimilated into the host populations. In one sense it's a good thing, because it proves that they can be a peaceful, productive and healthy contribution to their host peoples. In another sense, it's very bad, because it can systematically dissolve and remove the ethnic heritage of diaspora Armenians. Of course, diaspora Armenians frequently create their own microcosmic ethnic communities, similar to San Francisco's "China Town" for Chinese Americans, but the ethnic identity in the homeland is more culturally secure in that case as well.

[Wanderer]

Why indifferent to Western Europe, if I may ask?
Because it really isn't any of my business.

[Berahthraban]

Because it really isn't any of my business.

Interesting, I guess it's there we have an extreme difference of opinions

[Wanderer]

Interesting, I guess it's there we have an extreme difference of opinions
Why is that? I'm not saying Western Europeans should necessarily take one position or another on it. I appreciate your perspective. I don't necessarily view it as none of my business to comment on Western European immigration policy *in general*. The simple fact is that possible demographic outcomes in Western Europe DO concern the rest of the continent, indirectly. There are certain externalities that can be predicted. So I'd insert my opinion on such matters. But in the case of Armenians? They're Christian and not too anthropologically different from Europeans. So it's not much of a concern for ME.

[Ultra]

Why is that? I'm not saying Western Europeans should necessarily take one position or another on it. I appreciate your perspective. I don't necessarily view it as none of my business to comment on Western European immigration policy *in general*. The simple fact is that possible demographic outcomes in Western Europe DO concern the rest of the continent, indirectly. There are certain externalities that can be predicted. So I'd insert my opinion on such matters. But in the case of Armenians? They're Christian and not too anthropologically different from Europeans. So it's not much of a concern for ME.
Easy to say for someone who is only part-white. :laugh2:

[magyar_lány]

I voted yes. Armenians are talented and intelligent people. There is no problem if you want to immigrate to Europe. Your culture is closer to Europeans than the Arab.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy_hC_V5eW4

King Levon V (also called Leo V),
was the last throned medieval king of Armenia (1374-1375),
ruled over the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia (1075-1375).
He was given a an estate in Spain.
Eventually he resettled in France, where he died (in 1393),
and was entombed at Saint Denis Basilica, France.

[Melki]

Better than that. I would like Armenia to become a EU-member

[Wanderer]

Easy to say for someone who is only part-white. :laugh2:
Whiteness is a New World concept with no objective definition. Therefore, your assertion is not really valid. But I don't expect you to understand, because you're a retarded little animal.

[Myanthropologies]

I forgot to add: for North America, I obviously am okay with Armenians who want to become hard working americans to move here. That's kind of what the "new world" is made for. However, I was mainly referring to Europe when I said I opposed European immigration, cause Europe isnt the new world.

[Myanthropologies]

Whiteness is a New World concept with no objective definition. Therefore, your assertion is not really valid. But I don't expect you to understand, because you're a retarded little animal.

Italian-Americans are still seen as white anyways, and I'm sure you know that.

[Wanderer]

Italian-Americans are still seen as white anyways, and I'm sure you know that.
Ultra is just a retarded little bitch. It started with him consistently thumbing down my pro-Ukrainian posts. He is obviously trying to get at me in some way.

[Myanthropologies]

Ultra is just a retarded little bitch. It started with him consistently thumbing down my pro-Ukrainian posts. He is obviously trying to get at me in some way.

He thumbs me down a lot to. Just ignore him. The conversation here was getting pretty interesting before that whole immature interruption.

[Petros Agapetos]

What objection do you have against Armenians seeking legal immigration to European countries?

[Jehan]

Better than that. I would like Armenia to become a EU-member

What about Karabagh and Azerbaidjan?
Are you ready that we go on a war to protect armenia?

[Petros Agapetos]

http://i65.tinypic.com/ehhiep.png

[MEDACHE]

No. Armenoid is the most hideous Caucasian sub-race. Stay the fuck out, don't need your kind contaminating Europe.

[user_]

Armenians are surrounded by Muslims: Turkey and Azerbaijan, on all three sides. The only Christian country in the area is Georgia. I think Armenia and Georgia should align with each other more. Armenia and Georgia are part of the European Council, which means they are eligible for EU membership considerations. Armenians have tremendous respect for Europe, and prefer to align themselves with Europe than the Muslim world.

It would be good. But Armenia choose to become a Russian military base. This is a big danger for Georgia.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_Armenian_diaspora_communities
Armenian communities worldwide by country and number of Armenian citizens.

1. Russia 1,182,388
2 United States 1,000,000 - 1,500,000 Armenian Americans
3 France 12,355 (2005, born in Armenia)
4 Georgia 168,102 (2014 census)
5 Ukraine 99,894 (2001 census)
6 Iran 70,000–80,000,
7 Turkey 55,354 (1965, Armenian speakers)
8 Lebanon 70,000–80,000
9 Argentina 1,227 (2001, born in Armenia)
10 Syria 35,000–40,000
11 Canada 50,500 (2006 census)
12 Greece 7,742 (2001, Armenian citizens)
13 Abkhazia 41,907 (2011 census)
14 Bulgaria 10,832 (2001 census)
15 Uzbekistan 50,537 (1989 census)
16 Spain 11,706 (2011, Armenian citizens)
17 Germany 11,205 (2011, Armenian citizens)
18 Poland 3,000 (2011 census)
19 Australia 15,791 (2006 census)
20 Brazil 35,000–40,000
21 Belarus 8,512 (2009 census)
22 Turkmenistan 31,829 (1989 Soviet census)
23 Kazakhstan 11,031 (2010 official est.)
24 United Kingdom 1,720 (2011, Armenian citizens)
25 Hungary 161 (2011, Armenian citizens)
26 Uruguay N/A 15,000
27 Iraq 10,000
28 Netherlands 705 (2011, Armenian citizens)
29 Belgium 9,633 (2011, Armenian citizens)
30 Kuwait 6,000
31 Egypt 6,000
32 Czech Republic 2,100 (2011, born in Armenia)
33 Sweden 1,672 (2011, born in Armenia)
34 Austria 2,667 (2009, Armenian citizens)
35 Romania 1,780 (2002 census)
36 Latvia 2,742 (2008 yearly statistics)
37 Switzerland 612 (2010, Armenian citizens
38 Venezuela 3,500
39 Cyprus 1,341 (2001 census)
40 Estonia 1,402 (2011 census)
41 Italy 666 (2011, Armenian citizens)
42 Denmark 605 (2011, born in Armenia)
43 United Arab Emirates 3,000
44 Tajikistan 5,651 (1989 Soviet census)
45 Jordan 3,000
46 Moldova 2,873 (1989 Soviet census)
47 Lithuania 1,477 (2001 census)
48 Israel 3,000
49 Azerbaijan 183 (2009 census)
50 Kyrgyzstan 1,364 (1999 census)
51 Chile 1,500
52 Norway 275 (2012, country of origin)
53 Finland 93 (2011, Armenian citizens)
54 Malta 10 (2008, Armenian citizens)
55 Slovakia 261 (2005, born in Armenia)
56 Slovenia 7 (2005, born in Armenia)
57 Albania 400
58 Mexico 400
59 Serbia 222 (2011 census)
60 Macedonia 300
61 South Africa 300
62 Peru 250
63 New Zealand 200
64
65 Ireland 70 (2011, born in Armenia) 150
66 Portugal 105 (2009, born in Armenia)
67 Ethiopia 80–90
68 Cuba 80
69 Singapore 80
70 China 50–60
71 Japan 21 (2000, Armenian citizens)
72 Thailand 40–50
73 Morocco 25–30
74 Luxembourg 7 (2001, Armenian citizens)

[Petros Agapetos]

No. Armenoid is the most hideous Caucasian sub-race. Stay the fuck out, don't need your kind contaminating Europe.

Armenian girls are named the sexiest in the world... but women prefer Irish and Australian men (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3070341/The-Kim-Kardashian-effect-Armenian-women-named-sexiest-world-females-prefer-Irish-Australian-men.html)

http://beauty-around.com/en/tops/item/20-most-beautiful-armenian-women

[Petros Agapetos]

The Armenian homeland lies at the crossroads of Asia Minor, which links Europe with the Middle and Far East. The plateau's original settlers, beginning about 2800 B.C., were the various Aryan tribes of Armens and Hayasas who later melded to form the Urartu civilization and kingdom (860-580 B.C.). These settlers developed advanced skills in farming and metal work. The Armenian civilization managed to survive despite a steady succession of wars and occupations by much larger groups, including the Hittites, Assyrians, Parthians, Medes, Macedonians, Romans, Persians, Byzantines, Tartars, Mongols, Turks, Soviet Russians, and now Azerbaijanis, in the 25 centuries that followed. The capital city of Armenia today, Yerevan (population 1.3 million), celebrated its 2,775th anniversary in 1993.

The long history of the Armenian nation has been punctuated by triumphs over adversity. In 301 A.D., the small kingdom of Armenia became the first to adopt Christianity as its national religion, some 20 years before Constantine declared it the state religion of the Roman empire. In 451, when Persia ordered a return to paganism, Armenia's small army defiantly stood firm to defend its faith; at the Battle of Avarair, Persia's victory over these determined martyrs proved so costly that it finally allowed Armenians to maintain their religious freedom. By the time European Crusaders in the twelfth century entered the Near East to "liberate" the Holy Land from the Moslems, they found prosperous Armenian communities thriving among the Moslems, while maintaining the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem and other Christian sites. Under 400 years of Ottoman Turkish rule (1512-1908), the Christian Armenian minority—an industrious, educated elite within the Sultan's empire—had risen to a position of trust and influence. One such subject of the Sultan, Calouste Gulbenkian, later became the world's first billionaire through negotiations with seven Western oil companies that sought Arabian oil in the 1920s.

"I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose history is ended, whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose prayers are no longer answered.... For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a new Armenia!

William Saroyan, 1935.

During World War I (1915-1920), with the collapse of the Ottoman empire and the rise of Pan-Turkish nationalism, the Turkish government attempted to eradicate the Armenian nation in what is now termed "the first genocide of the twentieth century." One million Turkish Armenians were slaughtered, while the other million survivors were cast from their Anatolian homeland into a global diaspora that remains to this day.

Read more: http://www.everyculture.com/multi/A-Br/Armenian-Americans.html#ixzz4UJq2y7s4

[Petros Agapetos]

RELATIONS WITH OTHER AMERICANS
The majority of Armenians were not so much "pulled" to America by opportunity as they were "pushed" to America by bloodshed within their native country. Still, traditional Armenian culture so closely resembles American values that many Armenian feel they are "coming home" to America and make an easy transition to its free-market economy and social values. A large percentage of immigrants become wealthy businesspeople or educated community leaders within a decade or two of arrival, and feel a kinship with U.S. natives.

American society's reception of Armenians is equally friendly. Armenians have experienced little prejudice in the United States. Armenians are a tiny minority, barely noticed by most Americans because Armenian newcomers are typically multilingual, English-speaking Christians arriving in tight-knit families in which the head of household is an educated professional, skilled craftsman, or businessperson readily absorbed into the U.S. economy. Armenian culture encourages women's education (dating back to its fifth century Canon Law), so many women also have training or work experience. Since most move in a "chain migration," with families already in the United States to receive them, new arrivals have assistance from their families or from the network of U.S. Armenian organizations. In their personal values too, Armenians were dubbed "The Anglo-Saxons of the Middle East" by British writers of the 1800s, because they had the reputation of being industrious, creative, God-fearing, family-oriented, frugal businesspeople who leaned towards conservatism and smooth adaptation to society. Examples of anti-Armenian sentiment are few.

Acculturation and Assimilation
Throughout the diaspora, Armenians have developed a pattern of quick acculturation and slow assimilation. Armenians quickly acculturate to their society, learning the language, attending school, and adapting to economic and political life. Meanwhile, they are highly resistant to assimilation, maintaining their own schools, churches, associations, language, and networks of intramarriage and friendship. Sociologist Anny Bakalian observes that across generations, U.S. Armenians move from a more central "being Armenian" to a more surface "feeling Armenian," expressing nostalgic pride in their heritage while acting fully American.

The U.S. Armenian community is best viewed as the product of two sets of intense, opposing forces—centripetal pressures binding Armenians closer together, and centrifugal pressures pushing them apart. Centripetal forces among Armenians are clear. More than most U.S. nationalities, diaspora Armenian youth and adults feel like the proud guardians charged with protecting their ancient, highly-evolved culture—its distinctive language, alphabet, architecture, music, and art—from extinction. This sense of duty makes them resist assimilation. They tenaciously maintain their own schools, churches, associations, language, local hantesses (festivals) and networks of intramarriage and friendship. Today's U.S. Armenian community is bound together by a network of Armenian groups including, for example, some 170 church congregations, 33 day schools, 20 national newspapers, 36 radio or television programs, 58 student scholarship programs, and 26 professional associations. Anthropologist Margaret Mead suggested that over the centuries, diaspora Armenians (like Jews) have developed a tight-knit family structure to serve as a bulwark against extinction and assimilation ( Culture and Commitment [New York: Columbia University Press, 1978]). There is merit to the sentiment expressed by some Armenians that America's culture has evolved for less than 400 years since the 1600s, at a time when Armenian culture was already 2,500 years into its evolution.

Meanwhile, centrifugal forces also can be strong, driving Armenians out of their community. Due to political and religious schisms, the many groups often duplicate or even compete with one another, creating ill feelings. The American-born and youths, in particular, often view organization leaders as "out-of-touch," while others avoid Armenian organizations due to the plutocratic tendency to allow their wealthy sponsors to dictate organization policy. Unlike most U.S. nationalities, there is no coordinating body at all among the many wealthy Armenian groups, often leading to discord and a vying for leadership. The few recent efforts at community coordination (like the compilation of the Armenian Almanac, Armenian Directory, and Who's Who ) are the efforts of well-intentioned individuals, not funded community groups. Perhaps the emergence, in 1991, of a stable Armenian Republic for the first time in 500 years may serve as a stabilizing force within the diaspora. Meanwhile, it is not clear how many U.S. Armenians have left behind their community, if not their heritage, due to divisive forces within it.


Read more: http://www.everyculture.com/multi/A-Br/Armenian-Americans.html#ixzz4UJqdT6Sa

[Petros Agapetos]

The Armenian language is an independent branch of the Indo-European group of languages. Since it separated from its Indo-European origins thousands of years ago, it is not closely related to any other existing language. Its syntactical rules make it a concise language, expressing much meaning in few words. One unique aspect of Armenian is its alphabet. At the time Armenians converted to Christianity in 301, they had their own language but, with no alphabet, they relied on Greek and Assyrian for writing. One priest, Mesrob Mashtots (353-439), resigned his high post as the royal Secretary to King Vramshabouh when he received God's call to become an evangelist monk. With inspired scholarship, in 410 he literally invented the unique new characters of an alphabet that captured the array of sounds of his language in order to pen the Holy Scriptures in his own Armenian tongue. Immediately, his efforts ushered in a golden age of literature in Armenia, and the nearby Georgians soon commissioned Mesrob to invent an alphabet for their language. Armenians today continue to use Mesrob's original 36 characters (now 38), and regard him as a national hero.

The spoken Armenian of Mesrob's era has evolved over the centuries. This classical Armenian, called Krapar, is used now only in religious services. Modern spoken Armenian is now one language with two dialects world-wide. The slightly more guttural "Eastern" Armenian is used among 55 percent of the world's 8 million Armenians—those in Iran, in Armenia, and in the post-Soviet nations. "Western" is used among the other 45 percent in every other nation throughout the diaspora—the Middle East, Europe, and the Americas. With effort, speakers of the two dialects can understand each other's pronunciation, much the way Portuguese can comprehend Spanish.

Because more than half of these ancient people now live dispersed outside their homeland, the intense fear of cultural extinction among diaspora Armenians has resulted in a lively debate. Many Armenians wonder if the speaking of Armenian is essential for future national survival. A recent U.S. survey found that 94 percent of Armenian immigrants to the United States feel their children should learn to speak Armenian, yet the actual percentage who can speak Armenian dropped dramatically from 98 percent among the first generation to just 12 percent among third-generation Americans (Bakalian, p. 256). The Armenian day school movement is not nearly sufficient to reverse or even slow this sharp decline in Armenian-language speakers. The 1990 U.S. Census found that 150,000 Americans report speaking Armenian at home.

Armenian is taught at several American colleges and universities, including Stanford University, Boston College, Harvard University, the University of Michigan, and the University of Pennsylvania to name a few. Library collections in the Armenian language may be found wherever there is a large Armenian American population. Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, New York, Detroit, and Cleveland public libraries all have good Armenian language holdings.

GREETINGS AND OTHER POPULAR EXPRESSIONS
Some common expressions in Armenian are: Parev —Hello; Inch bes es? —How are you? Pari louys —Good morning; Ksher pari —Good night; Pari janabar —A good trip!; Hachoghootiun —Good luck; Pari ygak —Welcome; Ayo —Yes; Voch —No; Shnor hagalem —Thank you; Pahme che —You're welcome; Abris —Congratulations!; Oorish or ge desnevink —See you again; Shnor nor dari —Happy new year; Shnor soorp dznoort —Merry Christmas; Kristos haryav ee merelots —Easter greeting Christ is risen!; Ortnial eh harutiun Kristosi! —Easter reply Blessed is Christ risen!; Asvadz ortne kezi —God bless you; Ge sihrem —I like you/it; Hye es? —Are you Armenian?

Read more: http://www.everyculture.com/multi/A-Br/Armenian-Americans.html#ixzz4UJr4exls

[Petros Agapetos]

It would be good. But Armenia choose to become a Russian military base. This is a big danger for Georgia.

We have Russian troops in Leninakan so they may defend us from Turkey. That is part of the CSTO agreement Armenia has with Russia.
Isn't Georgia in the CSTO? (collective security treaty organization, the Russian version of NATO)

[user_]

We have Russian troops in Leninakan so they may defend us from Turkey. That is part of the CSTO agreement Armenia has with Russia.
Isn't Georgia in the CSTO? (collective security treaty organization, the Russian version of NATO)

No, we are not in CSTO, we are aspirant country to join NATO.
This was the reason of war with Russia.

[Ultra]

What objection do you have against Armenians seeking legal immigration to European countries?
They are very swarthy and not white.

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenians are good at assimilating into host societies, especially to those which they share a lot in common.

[Böri]

Armenians are closer to Assyrian and Kurdish than Georgian(south Kavkaz), so not south Kavkazs.

[Petros Agapetos]

No, we are not in CSTO, we are aspirant country to join NATO.
This was the reason of war with Russia.

Why can't you get along with Russia and join the CSTO instead of NATO. NATO is not very likely for Georgia or for Ukraine. Russia will not permit NATO to spread right to its door. Are most people in Georgia anti-Russia?

[Rumata]

If you place lacks some corruption and nepotism, vote 'yes', idiots.

[Petros Agapetos]

About 50,000 years ago, there were no humans in Armenia, or for that matter, Asia Minor. Over the intervening years, folks trickled in from every direction. Let’s look at the current distribution of Armenian y-DNA.


Haplogroup
Percentage

J1c & J2a - 32% - Arabic / Semitic
R1b - 25% - Iberian/Gaul
G2a - 14% - Caucasus
E1b - 8% -Alexandrian
I2a & R1a - 8% - Balkan
T1 - 6% - Mid-Eastern
L2a - 4% -Dravidian
Q1 - 1% - Hun


This is a snapshot of modern Armenia (http://originhunters.blogspot.ca/2012_07_01_archive.html). Without analyzing individual haplotypes from this dataset, it is difficult to determine which group arrived first. More than likely each group had multiple waves of immigration across history. I’ve created the map below for you to get a feel for the origin and flow of the major haplogroups.
http://i67.tinypic.com/mr8fu0.jpg

[Wanderer]

They are very swarthy and not white.

That's hilarious, coming from you. Question: do you hate looking at yourself in the mirror every day?

[user_]

Why can't you get along with Russia and join the CSTO instead of NATO. NATO is not very likely for Georgia or for Ukraine. Russia will not permit NATO to spread right to its door. Are most people in Georgia anti-Russia?

80% of Georgians want to join NATO. Even more EU.

If you join CSTO you have to play with russian rules. That means corrupted government, criminal is ruling, no human right etc.
We will loose all progress we get for last 15 years.
Even if Russia gives back Abkhazia and Osetia i prefer to join NATO than Russian union.

I like russian people, but not Russia as it is today.

[Dandelion]

Armenians. As long as you don't turn into Kim K or Anita Sarkeesian I tolerate you. :) We will pick you out from big crowds though because of your nose.

[KMack]

Looks like they are about 100% Christian, so yes come over to N. America

[KMack]

The predominant religion in Armenia is Christianity. The roots of the Armenian Church go back to the 1st century. According to tradition, the Armenian Church was founded by two of Jesus' twelve apostles – Thaddaeus and Bartholomew – who preached Christianity in Armenia between AD 40–60. Because of these two founding apostles, the official name of the Armenian Church is Armenian Apostolic Church.
Over 93% of Armenian Christians belong to the Armenian Apostolic Church, a form of Oriental (Non-Chalcedonian) Orthodoxy, which is a very ritualistic, conservative church, roughly comparable to the Coptic and Syriac churches.[145] The Armenian Apostolic Church is in communion only with a group of churches within Oriental Orthodoxy.

Wow

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenian religious leader giving a speech to a classroom full of Armenian students:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2potafb.jpg

Dashnak Party youth
http://i40.tinypic.com/2dha9sk.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/15d0tgx.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/igf6sw.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2qnvzlz.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2exlora.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30krq86.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ahv7t5.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/104s3rm.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/13zwfw5.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/15mlds0.jpg

[Petros Agapetos]

What ethnicity do our people look like?

Rank these from Best fit to Worst fit.

Here is my ranking:

Georgian
Assyrian
Cypriot
Sicilian
Turkish
Azeri
Greek
Israeli
Albanian
Bulgarian
Romanian

[Melki]

No. Spain for Spaniards.

And pain for retards.

[Melki]

Armenians are surrounded by Muslims: Turkey and Azerbaijan, on all three sides. The only Christian country in the area is Georgia. I think Armenia and Georgia should align with each other more. Armenia and Georgia are part of the European Council, which means they are eligible for EU membership considerations. Armenians have tremendous respect for Europe, and prefer to align themselves with Europe than the Muslim world.

Turkey and Azerbaijan too.

For an Atheist, you're too much concerned by religious aspects.-
The Muslim world is not united at all. Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Syria don't share the same interests, and follow different objectives.

[Armenian Bishop]

The first Armenian immigrant to North America was "Martin the Armenian" who arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in 1618 (11 years after the colony was founded). It's interesting to note that two other Armenians started a silkworm farm when they arrived in Colonial America, during the 17th Century.

[KMack]

Armenian religious leader giving a speech to a classroom full of Armenian students:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2potafb.jpg

Dashnak Party youth
http://i40.tinypic.com/2dha9sk.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/15d0tgx.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/igf6sw.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2qnvzlz.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2exlora.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30krq86.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ahv7t5.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/104s3rm.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/13zwfw5.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/15mlds0.jpg

Good looking people, I approve!

[KMack]

I knew 2 Armenian people from College, both of their last names started A also. The guy was Sam the girl Lynn.

[Ultra]

That's hilarious, coming from you. Question: do you hate looking at yourself in the mirror every day?
So just saying that Armenians are swarthy and not white in other words the objective truth makes me a hypocrite? Are you fucking retarded? That was a rhetorical question btw since I already know that you are of very low and primitive intellect aka a retard.


Yes, but only R1. :p

Armenians are the same as we IEs, so no problem,
and they are immigrating since centuries, and we
did not have any problems with them. Good people.
LOOOL. I guess you would be ok with R1 black Africans as well then?? :laugh2:

[Wanderer]

So just saying that Armenians are swarthy and not white in other words the objective truth makes me a hypocrite? Are you fucking retarded? That was a rhetorical question btw since I already know that you are of very low and primitive intellect aka a retard.You seem to be confusing "objective truth" with your opinions. You can objectively ascertain certain variables such as their typical range of pigmentation or their genetics, but that cannot tell us whether they are "white" or not. That is subjective. Whiteness is real, but it's a spectrum. It is a continuous variable, not a discrete one.

Thousands of posts on a "European Cultural Community" forum, and here you are arguing that people who are whiter than you are not white enough to move to Europe. That is why I asked whether you hate what you see in the mirror every day. I don't expect an honest answer, but it is a pertinent question!



What objection do you have against Armenians seeking legal immigration to European countries?They are very swarthy and not white.

[Armenian Bishop]

you mad bro?

[IMG]... This Porn Photograph is not worth reposting ...

You a Troll Bro? Is that why your Avatar shows the middle finger?

[Petros Agapetos]

Please vote on the poll.

[wvwvw]

No I don't support Armenian immigration to Greece, especially by complexed morons like the op who even uses a misleading Greek name as his nick.

[Mortimer]

I support it. I like Armenians.

[wvwvw]

Armenians are good at assimilating into host societies, especially to those which they share a lot in common.

Apparently you try to assimilate as a Greek. Are Greeks supposed to appreciate this? :D

I prefer the German way where foreigners don't get assimilated rather than the French way where half of Algeria moved to France, acquired half French names, and consider themselves "French".

Don't Armenians have their own country? It's one thing to assimilate into a new world country and quite another into some European country.

[Petros Agapetos]

No I don't support Armenian immigration to Greece, especially by complexed morons like the op who even uses a misleading Greek name as his nick.

Petros is also an Armenian name. Agapetos is a Greek name I would like to have if I were Greek. What do you have against me personally or against the Armenian people? I have tremendous respect for Greek people, and I hope your rudeness does not represent most Greeks.

[Petros Agapetos]

Apparently you try to assimilate as a Greek. Are Greeks supposed to appreciate this? :D

I prefer the German way where foreigners don't get assimilated rather than the French way where half of Algeria moved to France, acquired half French names, and consider themselves "French".

Don't Armenians have their own country? It's one thing to assimilate into a new world country and quite another into some European country.

I don't see Armenians having such a hard time assimilating in Western Europe, in France, in Belgium, in Holland, in countries which they don't even share much genetic kinship. What are Armenians like in Greece? I know there is an Armenian diaspora both in Greece and Cyprus.

What is it in the Armenian religion, language, culture that is so foreign to Europe such that Armenians could never integrate in Europe?

I lived in Germany for 7 years and I spoke perfect German. I had no difficulty assimilating.

I am not emulating a Greek here on this forum, I am just being myself. I am Armenian, and my name on this Forum is Petros Agapetos, get used to it. I know it sounds Greek. That was the point. I don't care whether Greek people appreciate one of my most favorite name combinations, I hope they do though.

[wvwvw]

Petros is also an Armenian name. Agapetos is a Greek name I would like to have if I were Greek. What do you have against me personally or against the Armenian people?
I have tremendous respect for Greek people, and I hope your rudeness does not represent most Greeks.

If you were Greek? Except you're not Greek. How more ridiculous can you get?

I don't care if you "have respect for Greek people". I have respect for Armenian people as long as they don't hijack my identity, or obsess about it.

[wvwvw]

I don't see Armenians having such a hard time assimilating in Western Europe, in France, in Belgium, in Holland, in countries which they don't even share much genetic kinship. What are Armenians like in Greece? I know there is an Armenian diaspora both in Greece and Cyprus.

What is it in the Armenian religion, language, culture that is so foreign to Europe such that Armenians could never integrate in Europe?
I lived in Germany for 7 years and I spoke perfect German. I had no difficulty assimilating.

I don't care if they are Armenians or Afganis, Christians or Muslims, angels or criminals, they are still foreigners to me and I wouldn't like to have them assimilated into my society. I'd rather they remain guest workers and return someday back to their country, rather than assimilate like the Algerian French.

[jingorex]

i support.

never met an Armenian i didnt like.

my best friend in HS was Armenian. Wrestling, Football, etc. we are still great friends. He married a blonde with great big tits but i never got to bang her so she must be a good girl.

i did bang all of her friends tho.







Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries. Please list the reasons why.

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?

[Petros Agapetos]

I don't care if they are Armenians or Afganis, Christians or Muslims, angels or criminals, they are still foreigners to me and I wouldn't like to have them assimilated into my society. I'd rather they remain guest workers and return someday back to their country, rather than assimilate like the Algerian French.

Wow, you are taking a very anti-immigrant stance. I am glad to see you are not bigoted towards Armenians specifically, just overall. :)

How about the US and Canada? Would you support Armenians seeking legal immigration with those countries at least?

[Scholarios]

Armenians already have been immigrating to Europe for like a thousand years. In the Balkans, even longer.



If you were Greek? Except you're not Greek. How more ridiculous can you get?

I don't care if you "have respect for Greek people". I have respect for Armenian people as long as they don't hijack my identity, or obsess about it.


Get the fuck out of Canada then, OWD worm.

[Shah-Jehan]

Armenians already have been immigrating to Europe for like a thousand years. In the Balkans, even longer.

They've actually been immigrating to everywhere in the world, most major parts of the known world have/have had Armenian immigration.

[Petros Agapetos]

Armenians already have been immigrating to Europe for like a thousand years. In the Balkans, even longer.
.

Are there many Armenians in Greece? What do you think of them? Have they integrated successfully?

[Petros Agapetos]

They've actually been immigrating to everywhere in the world, most major parts of the known world have/have had Armenian immigration.

The most significant reason for this is the Armenian genocide. There are over 1 million Armenians in the United States. Prior to the 1990's (after the collapse of the Soviet Union) most Armenians there were of Middle Eastern descent, from countries which Armenians had to flee from the genocide.

[wvwvw]

Armenians already have been immigrating to Europe for like a thousand years. In the Balkans, even longer.





Get the fuck out of Canada then, OWD worm.

Canada of all places? That's a figment of your imagination just like 99% of anything else it comes out of you.

Αντε τραβα και γαμησου σκατοπουστοειδές υποκείμενο και ρώτα κάποιον οπερ να μαθεις που βρισκομαι μαλακισμένε.

[Shah-Jehan]

The most significant reason for this is the Armenian genocide. There are over 1 million Armenians in the United States. Prior to the 1990's (after the collapse of the Soviet Union) most Armenians there were of Middle Eastern descent, from countries which Armenians had to flee from the genocide.

Not really, Armenians were pretty prominent in trade as they were one of the richest communities in the Ottoman as well as Safavid/Qajar empires, and were literally everywhere.

There were even Armenians where I'm from (Bengal), Armenian communities in Bengal date back to 300-400 years back when they came as traders, most of the ones from Dhaka and other parts of East Bengal have assimilated into other communities, but there are still a lot in Kolkata/Calcutta.

[Scholarios]

Are there many Armenians in Greece? What do you think of them? Have they integrated successfully?

There are maybe 30,000 Armenians in Greece. They are nearly invisible. Greece brought in many tens of thousands of refugees of Armenian origin after the Asia Minor catastrophe, but most of them moved on to other places. The newer immigrants tried assimilating more than the old immigrants, who had greater ties to their church (the guarantor of their rights as minorities).


And from from a purely historical perspective, Armenians led Byzantine Armies and presided over the Orthodox Church as patriarchs. IMHO they were great slayers as well as philosophers. True Romans.



Canada of all places? That's a figment of your imagination just like 99% of anything else it comes out of you.

Αντε τραβα και γαμησου σκατοπουστοειδές υποκείμενο και ρώτα κάποιον οπερ να μαθεις που βρισκομαι μαλακισμένε.

Oh, sorry. I meant Ireland. USA? Something like that. Clean your hypocritical OWD mouth and mind before replying next time.



Wow, you are taking a very anti-immigrant stance. I am glad to see you are not bigoted towards Armenians specifically, just overall. :)

How about the US and Canada? Would you support Armenians seeking legal immigration with those countries at least?


Majority of young Neo-Greeks think like her, like Dolamdes and gemista was ancient Greek food, "Greek coffee" bullshit, Greeks have nothing to do with that region of the world blah blah. That is the ugly pseudo-European right-wing. Then our hipster left-wing wants to connect us with generic oriental culture, fake belly-dancing etc. We lost touch with reality on both counts.

[Myanthropologies]

I don't care if they are Armenians or Afganis, Christians or Muslims, angels or criminals, they are still foreigners to me and I wouldn't like to have them assimilated into my society. I'd rather they remain guest workers and return someday back to their country, rather than assimilate like the Algerian French.

Thank you for saying this, Raine. I have noticed some Palestinians, Turks, Armenians, etc like to believe that they are part of some semito-bedouin-greco-armenio-mesopotamian- anatolian clan that doesn't exist and think that they're more like Greeks and Albanians than like Afghan or Iranians. That kind of puts them in their place.

[wvwvw]

Oh, sorry. I meant Ireland. USA? Something like that. Clean your hypocritical OWD mouth and mind before replying next time.

Quit making stuff upp SHITHEAD. Anyone can check up my ip and verify that I live in Greece.

But even if I lived in Canada or USA or any other new world country that would be irrelevant. Greece (-and any other European country) do not wish to assimilate Armenians or any other ethnicities into theirs.





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[Scholarios]

Quit making stuff upp SHITHEAD. Anyone can check up my ip and verify that I live in Greece.

But even if I lived in Canada or USA or any other new world country that would be irrelevant. Greece (-and any other European country) do not wish to assimilate Armenians or any other ethnicities into theirs.





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All irrelevant, you have assimilated to Western fake identity, so you are still a hypocrite.

[catgeorge]

There are some 70,000 ethnic Armenians in Greece - most taken in during the population exchanges. They have a close affinity with Anatolian and Pontian Greeks and there were some 1.5 mln of them at the time.

Armenians in Greece have their own schools and ethnic associations

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D6XC71/armenian-demonstrators-holds-armenian-and-greek-flags-shouting-slogans-D6XC71.jpg

http://orer.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Armenians-in-Greece-demanding-recognition-of-Armenian-Genocide.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DYR4RC/thessaloniki-greece-24th-apr-2014-armenian-immigrants-demonstrated-DYR4RC.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FN7EE0/armenians-who-live-in-athens-march-towards-the-turkish-embassy-in-FN7EE0.jpg

They have strong ethnic consciousness and unlike Albanians who would sell their own children to become Greek.

[catgeorge]

It feels Greece is the dumping ground for anyone gone through any trauma and quite frankly they should all just fuck off.

[Böri]

Rums/Greeks and Armenians arent same people, when Türks arrived 1000 year ago there was caste system with Greeks not even considering Armenians as human. Armenians not allowed in West Turkey (Greek majority in this time). Byzantines consider Armenians as lower, Türks changed this anti Armenianism abit. Greek literature refer to Armenians as pinnacle of bad.

[wvwvw]

All irrelevant, you have assimilated to Western fake identity, so you are still a hypocrite.

So anyone who is not an extreme culturo-marxist like you has assimilated into some western fake identity. Unlike you who live in Korea and are completely detached from Greek reality, I actually live in Greece, so don't pull a Sikeliot on me. The Golden dawn is the third largest party in Greece so you better wake up to this fact.

[Scholarios]

So anyone who is not an extreme culturo-marxist like you has assimilated into some western fake identity. Unlike you who live in Korea and are completely detached from Greek reality, I actually live in Greece, so don't pull a Sikeliot on me. The Golden dawn is the third largest party in Greece so you better wake up to this fact.

You live or lived in a country as an immigrant, I do not. Dont pull this "check my ip shit" as we know why you are in Greece at this moment. You are an emigrant who settled in the anglosphere and assimilated, even if you visit Greece at Christmas.

And fuck off with your anglo-saxon term "cultural marxist". I am telling you what you already know. Greece was never part of Europe in the way you see it. Anyway, it's irrelevant.

[Mingle]

Rums/Greeks and Armenians arent same people, when Türks arrived 1000 year ago there was caste system with Greeks not even considering Armenians as human. Armenians not allowed in West Turkey (Greek majority in this time). Byzantines consider Armenians as lower, Türks changed this anti Armenianism abit. Greek literature refer to Armenians as pinnacle of bad.

Do you have any sources on this?

[wvwvw]

Rums/Greeks and Armenians arent same people, when Türks arrived 1000 year ago there was caste system with Greeks not even considering Armenians as human. Armenians not allowed in West Turkey (Greek majority in this time). Byzantines consider Armenians as lower, Türks changed this anti Armenianism abit. Greek literature refer to Armenians as pinnacle of bad.

Western Turkey had been Greek land since prehistoric times. Armenians and Turks were invaders. Armenians natural homeland was Eastern Turkey, so naturally Greeks did not see kindly on Armenians immigrants and merchants to Constantinople.

There was an ethnicity apartheid but it was not hierarchical. It is true the Byzantine Greeks considered themselves superior to Armenians but also to anyone non Greece, but that's because they were.

They were the most advanced empire at the time. if the Armenians were superior they would have spread the Armenian language and culture to the world much like the Greeks. Everyone was inferior to Byzantine Greeks and Greeks were proud of this fact. That was natural and not racism.

Much like many Americans today look down on other ethnicities whom they consider inferior, although often they don't realise it.

[wvwvw]

You live or lived in a country as an immigrant, I do not. Dont pull this "check my ip shit" as we know why you are in Greece at this moment. You are an emigrant who settled in the anglosphere and assimilated, even if you visit Greece as Christmas.

And fuck off with your anglo-saxon term "cultural marxist". I am telling you what you already know. Greece was never part of Europe in the way you see it. Anyway, it's irrelevant.

Wrong again. You are the worst kind of spin doctor liar. When you are not ass-uming things you are lying and pretend to be convinced as if your lies were facts.

True Greece was not part of western Europe. It was Western AND eastern Europe that was part of Greece, and Greece had been the epicentre of those regions from 3000 BC to 1500 AC.

I don't care to be European -or more mainstream European, I care to remain Greek, for Greece to retain its unique Greek character. Another fact that escapes you is that the majority of people who vote for Golden dawn also want exit from the EU.

I don't want to be part of some European brotherhood but I don't wish to become part of Asia either.

[Hithaeglir]

Compared to the hordes of Allah,Armenians are very welcome :P

[Seth MacFarlane]

Western Turkey had been Greek land since prehistoric times. Armenians and Turks were invaders. Armenians natural homeland was Eastern Turkey, so naturally Greeks did not see kindly on Armenians immigrants and merchants to Constantinople.

There was an ethnicity apartheid but it was not hierarchical. It is true the Byzantine Greeks considered themselves superior to Armenians but also to anyone non Greece, but that's because they were.

They were the most advanced empire at the time. if the Armenians were superior they would have spread the Armenian language and culture to the world much like the Greeks. Everyone was inferior to Byzantine Greeks and Greeks were proud of this fact. That was natural and not racism.

Much like many Americans today look down on other ethnicities whom they consider inferior, although often they don't realise it.

Lol your so arrogant , its entertaining xD

[Myanthropologies]

Lol your so arrogant , its entertaining xD

It even more entertaining cause it's typed in broken English too. You can even imagine her little accent as you're reading this in your head.

[wvwvw]

Lol your so arrogant , its entertaining xD

That's no arrogance but an objective fact. Arrogance is when the culturo-marxists don't allow us to be taught our own history, attempting to destroy europe's character beyond recognition as if its people and cultural heritage belong to them. It does not belong to them but it belongs to all past present and FUTURE generations.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Western Turkey had been Greek land since prehistoric times. Armenians and Turks were invaders. Armenians natural homeland was Eastern Turkey, so naturally Greeks did not see kindly on Armenians immigrants and merchants to Constantinople.

There was an ethnicity apartheid but it was not hierarchical. It is true the Byzantine Greeks considered themselves superior to Armenians but also to anyone non Greece, but that's because they were.

They were the most advanced empire at the time. if the Armenians were superior they would have spread the Armenian language and culture to the world much like the Greeks. Everyone was inferior to Byzantine Greeks and Greeks were proud of this fact. That was natural and not racism.

Much like many Americans today look down on other ethnicities whom they consider inferior, although often they don't realise it.


That's no arrogance but an objective fact. Arrogance is when the culturo-marxists don't allow us to be taught our own history, attempting to destroy europe's character beyond recognition as if its people and cultural heritage belong to them. It does not belong to them but it belongs to all past present and FUTURE generations.

Greeks created the world , we know :cool:

[wvwvw]

They have strong ethnic consciousness and unlike Albanians who would sell their own children to become Greek.

Trolling again. The only Albanians who want to be Greek are Albanian citizens that come from the Greek minority, no real Albanian wants to be Greek, because they're not culturomarxists like many deluded leftists.

[alpha]

i thought armenians resisted assimilation, so why would they want to emigrate from armenia?

[Seth MacFarlane]

my best friend in HS was Armenian. He married a blonde with great big tits but i never got to bang her so she must be a good girl.

i did bang all of her friends tho.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fjXSwNcLyADjG/giphy.gif

[Petros Agapetos]

i thought armenians resisted assimilation, so why would they want to emigrate from armenia?

Armenians would choose to live in a more Westernized country than their own.
I don't see anything in our culture that could resist assimilation into Western society, provided this does not require that Armenians refuse to identify with their homeland and ethnicity.

[Myanthropologies]

Greeks created the world , we know :cool:

Thy were pretty bad ass honestly. If it weren't for certain other empires, we'd all be here speaking Greek, not English.

[wvwvw]

Greeks created the world , we know :cool:

No but created a great civilization (actually several) and harmed no other nations or commited genocide.

Do we deserve to be "punished" for what you may perceive as arrogance? In any case the culfuromarxist Greek educational system is far from arrogant.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJxf7W_UcAAz5na.jpg

Aren't most ethnicities sauvinistic to a degree? although in many cases they don't deserve to be (as in the case of Turks). Don't many Jews consider themselves God's gift to mankind?

[TheForeigner]

Better Armenians than pretty much any other non-European group.

[MellowD]

Better Armenians than pretty much any other non-European group.

Why should we care, nobody's coming to Romania anyway :lol:

[wvwvw]

Why should we care, nobody's coming to Romania anyway :lol:

That will change radically in a few years. Would you like then to see successive waves of immigrants from all over the world, including Europe become 'assimilated' into Romanians? Or you would rather guest them for some time and hope they return to their countries.

[Myanthropologies]

That will change radically in a few years. Would you like then to see successive waves of immigrants from all over the world, including Europe become 'assimilated' into Romanians? Or you would rather guest them for some time and hope they return to their countries.

The thing is, Greeks DID assimilate Armenians in the past, that's how Pontic Greeks exist.

[Armenian Bishop]

Haplogroup Percentage
J1c & J2a - 32% - Arabic / Semitic
R1b - 25% - Iberian/Gaul
G2a - 14% - Caucasus
E1b - 8% -Alexandrian
I2a & R1a - 8% - Balkan
T1 - 6% - Mid-Eastern
L2a - 4% -Dravidian
Q1 - 1% - Hun

You combined J1c and J2a, then you measured R1b and R1a separately. To make matters worse, you lumped R1a together with I2a. In fact, R1b is the most common Y DNA Haplogroup among people with paternal Armenian ancestry, when we separate J1c and J2a into separate groups.

Other sources show a slightly different result: R1b (28%); J2 (22%); G (11%); J1 (11%); R1a (8%); T (6%); E (5%); I (4%); L (4%); N (2%); and others (1%). R1b and R1a combined gives us 36%. On the other hand when we combine J2 and J1 we get 33%.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/armenians.html

[Arsen_]

Rums/Greeks and Armenians arent same people, when Türks arrived 1000 year ago there was caste system with Greeks not even considering Armenians as human. Armenians not allowed in West Turkey (Greek majority in this time). Byzantines consider Armenians as lower, Türks changed this anti Armenianism abit. Greek literature refer to Armenians as pinnacle of bad.


Not true.

There was only one problem - Greek church wanted Armenians to become Greek Orthodox beleivers. But Armenians declined.

Actually Turks should be very grateful to Greek church. Only thank to degeneration and stupidity of Greek church's authoritues semi-wild and primitive central-asian turkish tribes destroyed Byzantium.

In fact the filthiness and degeneration of Greek church of those times is unbelevaible. Even sultan's Grand Vizier was so shocked that called Greek church authoritues - "dogs without faith and law".

Just one quote:

Н.Ф.Каптерев и Е.Е.Голубинский «Истории Христианской Церкви», часть 2, глава «Искательство многими патриаршего престола»

"...Трапезундцы просили султана низложить патр. Марка и на его место поставить Симеона. При этом они поднесли султану 1000 червонцев, а Симеон отказался на будущее время от содержания, назначенного патриархам от казны. Магомету это понравилось и он, посмеявшись над неразумием греков, низложил Марка и велел поставить Симеона…
В следующие времена пескезий и харадж постоянно возрастали, потому что постоянно являлись искатели патриаршего престола, увеличивавшие их. Так, в конце ХУ1 в., по низложении Иеремии П(1584), невежественный монах Пахомий купил патриарший престол за 10000 золотых, а после низложения Пахомия(1585), митр. Феолепту патриаршая кафедра обошлась в 20000 золотых. Патр. Иеремия снова был возведен(третично) и правил до 1594 г. Бывали случаи, когда получение патриаршего престола стоило 100 000 и даже 150 000 золотых, т.к., кроме подарков султану, вновь назначаемые патриархи дарили еще великому визирю, придворным чиновникам, евнухам, женам султана и проч. ПОДОБНОГО РОДА ИСКАТЕЛЬСТВА БЫЛИ ГИБЕЛЬНЫ ДЛЯ ГРЕЧЕСКОЙ ЦЕРКВИ. СИМОНИЯ РАЗВИЛАСЬ В ГРОМАДНЫХ РАЗМЕРАХ. Все патриархи, не исключая и достойнейших, получали сан за деньги. Патриархи, чтобы возвратить деньги, затраченные при получении престола, отдавали за деньги епископские кафедры, митрополиты же и епископы в свою очередь за деньги ставили священников и диаконов. Патриаршую кафедру, при таком способе замещения ее, часто занимали люди недостойные или неспособные. ПОЛОЖИТЕЛЬНЫХ БЫЛО ОЧЕНЬ НЕМНОГО. Смены и хороших и дурных были постоянные. Не могло быть последовательного и твердого пастырского надзора и руководства. Недостойные патриархи заботились только об удовлетворении своего честолюбия и корыстолюбия. Патриархия беднела все более. Искательство престола неизбежно вело к деспотическому и презрительному обращению турецких властей с патриархами и христианами. Так, напр., в 1671 г., по поводу неустройств в патриархии, великий визирь позволил себе ПАТРИАРХА И ЕГО КЛИР НАЗЫВАТЬ «СОБАКАМИ БЕЗ ВЕРЫ И ЗАКОНА»

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

Are Georgians and Armenians Europeans?

Pro-European Arguments

Linguistically, the three countries have (slightly) more in common with Europe than with Asia. Most European languages fall within the Indo-European language family/phylum, and Armenian is its own subset of the Indo-European languages, most similar to Greek. The Georgian language, called Kartuli, makes up the bulk of the Kartvelian language family, a completely separate language family that is spoken mostly in and around Georgia.

More citizens of these countries, when asked, seem to consider themselves Europeans rather than Asians.

Their sociopolitical and religious leanings seem to favor the European side.

All three are members of the Council of Europe, something that other Asian countries would not be able to become.

Each country has shown some intent and ambition towards someday joining both NATO and the European Union.

[DarknessWin]

I am against immigration from every country,
everyone must stay in his country

[DarknessWin]

All what matters is R1 anyway, because they
were the IE Haikites who came to Armenia (not
local Hurrians, Kartvelians or Semites) actually
being the Armenians having the same identity.


What the hell hapl have to do with all that moron???

You are fucking idiot, lets say we have an R1a man make child with a nigger woman,
the half black child will be R1a.
If the same child have kids with another nigger women their childs will be R1a again.
Let this go on and you will have a full blood nigger with R1a.

[crazyladybutterfly]

i would support immigration only when it turns out to be beneficial. armenians are culturally compatible but i dont think any european country needs more immigrants now

[Insuperable]

You forgot to add Petros Agapetos!

Armenian Immigration to Europe and North America. Poll! - Petros Agapetos



jk

[Armenian Bishop]

You forgot to add Petros Agapetos!
Armenian Immigration to Europe and North America. Poll! - Petros Agapetos

jk
That kind of makes me think of Jimmy talking about himself in the third person case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoskJPDbXR0.

[Böri]

[QUOTE=Arsen_;4163446]

Actually Turks should be very grateful to Greek church. Only thank to degeneration and stupidity of Greek church's authoritues semi-wild and primitive central-asian turkish tribes destroyed Byzantium.


»[QUOTE]

What the fuck are you talking about IEized Assyroid? Greeks here confirmed they treated Armenians as subhuman and there was Apartheid. Türks came and created their own empire unlike you Kiros living 1000 years next to Byzantine and staying proud slaves and lower class.

[Petros Agapetos]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?199657-What-ethnicity-do-Armenians-look-like-Poll!
What ethnicity do Armenians look like. Poll!

[Profileid]

No.
The fewer Petros Agepetos we have discussing homosexuality 24/7, the better.

[Armenian Bishop]

No.
The fewer Petros Agepetos we have discussing homosexuality 24/7, the better.

That's kind of a low blow; I don't see him discussing homosexuality 24/7. Petros has 3,000 posts within the last 5 weeks (since November 23rd), much of it about philosophy, some of it about that kind of thing too (but generally about other matters).

I prefer for Armenians to stay, or repatriated themselves in the homeland, because their heritage and national consciousness can dissolve into the cultures and societies of host countries. Random immigration of Armenians, worldwide, has generally benefitted host countries. It's been going on for a thousand years, or perhaps longer. And, Armenian immigrants started arriving in North America, since the Jamestown, Virginia, Settlements of the early 17th Century.

A dull boring "No" doesn't suffice to explain why you don't want Armenian immigration. Very silly and lame!

[Petros Agapetos]

No.
The fewer Petros Agepetos we have discussing homosexuality 24/7, the better.

My personal opinions do not represent that of most Armenians.

[Profileid]

My personal opinions do not represent that of most Armenians.

I'm happy to hear that.

[Profileid]

That's kind of a low blow; I don't see him discussing homosexuality 24/7. Petros has 3,000 posts within the last 5 weeks (since November 23rd), much of it about philosophy, some of it about that kind of thing too (but generally about other matters).

I prefer for Armenians to stay, or repatriated themselves in the homeland, because their heritage and national consciousness can dissolve into the cultures and societies of host countries. Assimilation is the reason why I speak Armenian at the language proficiency level of a 3 year old, or toddler. Random immigration of Armenians, worldwide, has generally benefitted host countries. It's been going on for a thousand years, or perhaps longer. And, Armenian immigrants started arriving in North America, since the Jamestown, Virginia, Settlements of the early 17th Century.

A dull boring "No" doesn't suffice to explain why you don't want Armenian immigration. Very silly and lame!

I'm mostly shitposting. Anyone paying attention knows not to take me seriously.

[Pennywise]

You have my full support. I hope all Armenians live happy and long life in the USA and Europe. :thumb001: You should encourage more the Armenians in Armenia.

[Petros Agapetos]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2drbf5u.jpg
In this map of Europe Armenia is included.

[Scholarios]

Trolling again. The only Albanians who want to be Greek are Albanian citizens that come from the Greek minority, no real Albanian wants to be Greek, because they're not culturomarxists like many deluded leftists.

Does it gratify you to keep deluding yourself over and over? Get off the internet for once. Aren't you like a 20-something woman?

[Ice]

No.
Armenia needs its young people in armenia. Even if they leave armenia, it shouldn't be permanently.

Turkey did a terrible mistake by accepting arab/kurdish refugees from iraq and syria. perhaps it could take armenians from those places. in some way, it would bring them back to their ancestral homeland and also bring them to safety. but that's just my opinion.

[Petros Agapetos]

I live been living in Canada now for the past 11 years.
I feel well integrated into Canadian society, and I am a citizen.
For those of you who voted no, why do you object to Armenians seeking legal immigration with European and North American countries?

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries. Please list the reasons why.

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?

[Petros Agapetos]

Would you mind this many newcomer Armenians in your country?

A. 1,000 (one thousand)
B. 10,000 (ten thousand)
C. 100,000 (hundred thousand)
D. 1,000,000 (million)

[Böri]

There are 250k illegal Armenians in my country they work here. They fed here but if you ask these brown ass, they will tell its good Armenia occupies Azeri territory Karabakh, they will tell Türkey must accept Genocide.I dont want them here. I am even bothere by 1 Armenian.

[Wanderer]

Would you mind this many newcomer Armenians in your country?

A. 1,000 (one thousand)
B. 10,000 (ten thousand)
C. 100,000 (hundred thousand)
D. 1,000,000 (million)

I would oppose scenario A, so naturally B through D as well.

[Petros Agapetos]

I would oppose scenario A, so naturally B through D as well.

Any particular reason why? Are there many Armenians in the Ukraine? What do you think of them as a collective? Are they good immigrants?

[Petros Agapetos]

To the USA, I'd prefer a 5th option...0.

Is there a particular reason why you oppose Armenian immigration to the US?

[Wanderer]

Any particular reason why? Are there many Armenians in the Ukraine? What do you think of them as a collective? Are they good immigrants?

There certainly is a reason. I don't want hordes of ethnic foreigners there. I think there are probably too many Armenians there now.

[Petros Agapetos]

There certainly is a reason. I don't want hordes of ethnic foreigners there. I think there are probably too many Armenians there now.

But what if they are decent immigrants who obey the law and are well integrated into your host society? Are Armenians in the Ukraine not well integrated?

[Wanderer]

But what if they are descent immigrants who obey the law and are well integrated into your host society? Are Armenians in the Ukraine not well integrated?

Even if they are proportionately law-abiding & integrated, they would lack an ethnic connection to the Nation. They would always see Armenia as their real homeland and their fellow Armenians as their people.

[Arsen_]

There are 250k illegal Armenians in my country they work here. They fed here but if you ask these brown ass, they will tell its good Armenia occupies Azeri territory Karabakh, they will tell Türkey must accept Genocide.I dont want them here. I am even bothere by 1 Armenian.

Stop that bullshit, you stinking piece of shit.
I have allready answered to other Turk there are practically NO Armenian citizens in Turkey.

[Scholarios]

It never ceases to make me smile when Turks call others " brown".

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes - they assimilate well and understand the value of Judeo-Christian civilization.

[wvwvw]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_g0YH3LwulkNmbK96ihbhWQy8VWdEj P_y3RqQhK2vayldiWQJ

[Bobby Martnen]

rather than assimilate like the Algerian French.

Algerians resident in French haven't assimilated at all.

Sure, some of them may speak French (usually poorly), but almost all of them still speak their foreign ancestral language, dress like their foreign ancestors, and practice their foreign religion.

They should be sent back to Algeria.

[Kouros]

Many Greeks have also have Near Eastern ancestry as the average Armenian. I'm sure that many people from Greece would be abused in Russia for being too dark. Even some some people from the UK and Germany are "dark" by Russian standards.

We have absolutely nothing to do with you, you stupid churka. The darkest possible "Greek" you can find is genetically an Armenian expat like you. Stay in your own country and stop making these God awful threads.

[Bobby Martnen]

There are 250k illegal Armenians in my country they work here. They fed here but if you ask these brown ass, they will tell its good Armenia occupies Azeri territory Karabakh, they will tell Türkey must accept Genocide.I dont want them here. I am even bothere by 1 Armenian.

Your country stole a lot of Armenian land...

[Bobby Martnen]

There certainly is a reason. I don't want hordes of ethnic foreigners there. I think there are probably too many Armenians there now.

I mean, the Ukraine already stole half of Eastern Poland...

[wvwvw]

Algerians resident in French haven't assimilated at all.

Sure, some of them may speak French (usually poorly), but almost all of them still speak their foreign ancestral language, dress like their foreign ancestors, and practice their foreign religion.

They should be sent back to Algeria.

Now we have reached the point where it doesn't matter how well an immigrant is integrated. Even an integrated immigrant is an immigrant too many.

One billion third world immigrants are on their way to Europe, does it matter how well they can be assimilated if in the end you end up a minority in your own country?

[Bobby Martnen]

I mean, the Ukraine already stole half of Eastern Poland...

And most of the people in Lemberg were Polish and the rest of the area was mixed, but had historically been part of Poland and most of the nobles and landowners were Polish.

It was rightfully Polish land.

[Fractal]

Yes - they assimilate well and understand the value of Judeo-Christian civilization.

I'm sorry but Armenians don't strike me as white people - their Christianity is irrelevant, so are Blacks and Latinos.

And I don't think they identify as such and rightfully shouldn't.

[Black Panther]

I'm sorry but Armenians don't strike me as white people - their Christianity is irrelevant, so are Blacks and Latinos.

And I don't think they identify as such and rightfully shouldn't.

Christianity and Islam are curses upon Black people all over the planet.

[Marmara]

Christianity and Islam are curses upon Black people all over the planet.

No it's not. Religions are an important tool to adapt or assimilate into civilizations. Barbaric North Europeans were civilized by Christianity. Most important black civilizations were founded by black muslims. It might be a curse today since their date has expired, but not back then. How far could Africans go with their underdeveloped tribal religions?

[Hudayar]

No their diaspora tends to cause a lot of problems for Turks.

[Marmara]

No their diaspora tends to cause a lot of problems for Turks.

We should find a way to fix our problems. I'm really not happy with what's between Turks and Armenians.

[Mingle]

We should find a way to fix our problems. I'm really not happy with what's between Turks and Armenians.

I don't think that can happen until Turkey accepts the Armenian genocide. Both Turks and Armenians seem very passionate about not accepting the other side's stance.

[Marmara]

I don't think that can happen until Turkey accepts the Armenian genocide. Both Turks and Armenians seem very passionate about not accepting the other side's stance.

It's too complicated. Any attempt to improve relations with Armenians might piss Azerbaijanis off, besides Armenia is a small country and there is not really a pressure on Turkey to improve relations. To fix our problems, Azerbaijan should also fix its problems with Armenia which i don't think will be happening soon.

[Mingle]

It's too complicated. Any attempt to improve relations with Armenians might piss Azerbaijanis off, besides Armenia is a small country and there is not really a pressure on Turkey to improve relations. To fix our problems, Azerbaijan should also fix its problems with Armenia which i don't think will be happening soon.

Yeah, but the genocide issue is very big too. I don't know how that would get solved.

[Marmara]

Yeah, but the genocide issue is very big too. I don't know how that would get solved.

I don't know. There is still no freedom to actually discuss this issue on televisions or publish books/articles to shape the minds of public. Armenian Genocide is hardly mentioned in television or books, and when it is mentioned they talk why it is a lie and no one is present to defend the opposite (nobody dares), besides Turks are too proud to acknowledge wrongdoing, hence the overwhelming majority has no doubt it is nothing but a slander.

[Bobby Martnen]

We should find a way to fix our problems. I'm really not happy with what's between Turks and Armenians.

I think if Turkey acknowledged the genocide and gave them Mt Ararat as compensation, it would go a long way towards an improvement in relations.

[JohnSmith]

Sure why not,, come one come all.

[Mingle]

I think if Turkey acknowledged the genocide and gave them Mt Ararat as compensation, it would go a long way towards an improvement in relations.

Giving up territory is beyond delusional thinking. Don't know why you would bring up something like that in a serious discussion.

[Petros Agapetos]

Do you support Armenians immigrating to Europe, North America, Australia?

[Petros Agapetos]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries?

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the Soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?

[Ayetooey]

Sure.

[Mingle]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries?

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the Soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?

People here generally don't oppose the immigration of ME Christians so whether Armenians belong to that group or not doesn't make a difference.

[Not a Cop]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries?

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the Soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?



Armenians are pretty capable people overall, i myself was operated by armo surgeon at the age of 12.

However coming from country with one of the biggest armenian communities i must say that a lot of them do exibit Caucasus thug behaviour and they are prone towards ethnic crime and tribalism in general. Also they are pretty slow in terms on intergration/assimilation and tend to prioritise Armenia. Overall they are comparable to Jews to some extent.

[Aspirin]

Overall they are comparable to Jews to some extent.

The analogy with Jews is very accurate.

[Arsen_]

I do not support Armenian immigration and especially to Europe and North America. It may sound cynical but I would prefer emigrating Armenians to get into a hostile environment and feel uncomfortable than to be assimilated and disappear.

[FinalFlash]

I do not support Armenian immigration and especially to Europe and North America. It may sound cynical but I would prefer emigrating Armenians to get into a hostile environment and feel uncomfortable than to be assimilated and disappear.

Anyone living abroad always runs the risk of eventually assimilating, including you and I.

[Arsen_]

Anyone living abroad always runs the risk of eventually assimilating, including you and I.

That's true but chances are different. Armenians in muslim countries did not assimilate at all. And for example USA in that sense is much more dangerous than Russia.

[Útrám]

Why should Europeans be worried? Kanye West doesn't live there.

[Smeagol]

There's no use coming to a country if you aren't going to assimilate.

[FinalFlash]

That's true but chances are different. Armenians in muslim countries did not assimilate at all. And for example USA in that sense is much more dangerous than Russia.

Truthfully, what's the use in moving abroad if you don't assimilate eventually?

[Petros Agapetos]

Canada is a melting pot. Not a chamber pot!

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8swj35lB_k

[Nazarene]

Armenians have their own country, why the heck would you want to move to the West?

[lonewolfcypriot]

I don't see Armenians having such a hard time assimilating in Western Europe, in France, in Belgium, in Holland, in countries which they don't even share much genetic kinship. What are Armenians like in Greece? I know there is an Armenian diaspora both in Greece and Cyprus.

What is it in the Armenian religion, language, culture that is so foreign to Europe such that Armenians could never integrate in Europe?

I lived in Germany for 7 years and I spoke perfect German. I had no difficulty assimilating.

I am not emulating a Greek here on this forum, I am just being myself. I am Armenian, and my name on this Forum is Petros Agapetos, get used to it. I know it sounds Greek. That was the point. I don't care whether Greek people appreciate one of my most favorite name combinations, I hope they do though.

I've heard that the Armenians in Cyprus have ancient roots there going back to medieval times, there were also Armenian migrations to Cyprus during the early 20th century. They live solely in Urban areas and are very integrated into Cyprus.

[Armenian Bishop]

It's better for them to stay in their Armenian Homeland Areas, provided that the circumstances permit it; however, there have been good reasons to immigrate worldwide, both historically and in present times. For that reason immigration is often justified, but not always.

[Not a Cop]

Armenians have their own country, why the heck would you want to move to the West?

Because Armenia is pretty bad is terms of socio-economic development?

[Wanderer]

I don't think that can happen until Turkey accepts the Armenian genocide. Both Turks and Armenians seem very passionate about not accepting the other side's stance.

Indeed, it is possible for two nations at odds to reconcile, but it requires some reciprocity.

[Wanderer]

Do you support the immigration of Armenians into your countries. Please list the reasons why.

I think most Armenians would not identify with the term "Middle East" due to its American connotation, but geographically it is of course Middle Eastern, since this is simply a Eurocentric term that is not precise. Most Armenians would identify as Southern Caucasians or part of the "Near Abroad", the soviet satelite countries. We don't consider Russia to be a foreign country, we consider it our near abroad (as opposed to far abroad).

What do you think of Armenians moving into European countries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlfW62c2nIQ

[StonyArabia]

Sure I don’t care either way truth be told

[Arsen_]

Because Armenia is pretty bad is terms of socio-economic development?

Absolutely not! You can't even imagine in how many aspects the life in Armenia for example is better than the life in Russia. I would say without the slightest exaggeration that compared to life in Russia which is utterly stressful endless chalenge, the life in Armenia is a pure pleasure. The problems are only psychological.

First of all a lot of Armenians suffer from some very weird incurable xenomania. I can't even understand the mystery of that absolutely irrational clinical xenomania but victims of that type of xenomania sincerely believe that somewhere abroad there is a heavenly life and paradise and no arguments can dissuade them. And the most paradoxical is that those psychopaths may leave the true paradise, settle in hell and be happy! ;)

And secondly, a lot of Armenians are extreme adventurers by nature, they are not afraid of any dangers and difficulties, they easily leave homeland and go to uncharted places and many of them live on principle "get rich or die trying". I remember once I read an interesting study about trade in Caucasus, and it turned out that for many centuries the only people who had the courage to trade in the most wild and deaf corners and places of the North Caucasus were Armenians. As a example, recently there was a news about some Armenian guy from Russia, who went to Colombia (?!), to the places where the were only rebels and no any government and absolute lack of law and safety, and there he was looking for some poisonous frogs for the purpose of resale. And of course it ended sadly for him, he was captured by the rebels but even in this situation he managed to grab a grenade from a rebel and blow up a group of rebels and escape and after that his fate is unknown. Most likely he was killed.

[Arsen_]

Another interesting story from life about Armenian man, originally from Syria, who lived almost 25 years in Belgium and despite having had a successful business there, he moved to Armenia where he had never been to. Here what he told about his experience after settling in Armenia:

"As many people were moving to Yerevan, I also thought of settling here. When I talked to my wife about it, she didn’t appear to like the idea at all... After 2 months of non-stop objections and disagreements, I decided to visit Yerevan to find out what life here was really like. If I had a positive experience, we would move; if not, I was to fly back. I had 10 days to observe the city and share my opinions on it, but it took me only 4 to fall in love. ‘It’s a paradise,’ I told my wife. She believed me and now is beyond happy that she did."

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

wouldn't mind them since they're Christian and old culture, but it would be better if they went rather to some orthodox-majority, pro-Russian land like Serbia or Belarus.

[Arsen_]

The most precious thing about life in Armenia is how people treat each other. Here is what a Russian guy wrote after he visited Armenia:

"зацепила тема )) был в Армении недавно. Испытал шок почище пребывания в Швеции... в Ереване я впервые в жизни почувствовал, что такое НАРОД. Нация. Это по-настоящему потрясает... я постоянно встречал людей, которые совершенно спокойно смотрят мне в глаза - и без показной любезности и натянутой улыбки, и без враждебности и хамства. Просто - спокойно и уверенно. Я был среди людей, которые совершенно точно знают, кто они, как представители народа; которые ценят и уважают себя - и естественно привыкли с малолетства находится среди таких же людей. Это ни с чем не сравнить - я был среди абсолютно незнакомых людей, которые изначально меня уважают. Не потому что я клиент, а просто они так привыкли. Это чувствовалось где-то в глубине каждого, это разумное воспитание, ставшее внутренним состоянием. Нигде в мире я не чувствовал себя настолько комфортно и безопасно. Удивительная страна. Нация. Народ".

Translation into English:

"I've been caught with the topic)) I was in Armenia recently. I experienced a shock much more than when I stayed in Sweden... In Yerevan for the first time in my life, I felt what it is to be PEOPLE. Nation. This is truly shocking... I constantly met people who perfectly calmly look into my eyes - and without ostentatious courtesy and a tense smile, and without hostility and rudeness. Just simply - calmly and confidently. I was among people who absolutely know who they are, who value and respect themselves - and naturally accustomed from childhood to being among the same people. This is nothing to compare with - I was among absolutely strangers who initially respect me, not because I am a client, but simply they are so used to... Nowhere in the world have I felt so comfortable and safe. Amazing country. Nation. People".

[Arsen_]

Another story. A girl from UK who used to be afraid even of London's people, wrote about her solo travel in Armenia's countryside.

"I just sit. I sit, and I sit some more, then I sit a little bit more. I take in several long, deep breaths and then I laugh to myself. Me, a girl who used to stand in the rain because she was too anxious to sit in the waiting room of a London train station, just got herself into the countryside in Armenia, on her own, where they don’t speak English. What a funny old life we lead. I hear a boat out on the lake and the people aboard are all singing. That is how I feel right now. Like inside I am singing, with all the people that have helped me along the way. Shit, I am so proud of myself.

When I am ready, I get the taxi back into Sevan City and then sit in the Marshutka waiting to go back to Yerevan. I am smiling to myself and the other passengers have no idea why I am so bloody chuffed. I once knew a man who showed me this picture of Jeremy Clarkson and this is EXACTLY what my face looked like to the other passengers on the bus home."

[dosas]

Armenians in Thessaloniki are 100 percent integrated and enjoy respect as they are an integral part of the city's recent history. I had several Armenian friends at university and, in fact, I would not have been able to distinguish them from local Greeks if they didn't tell me.

[Thracian]

They are not Europeans.

[Voskos]

I dont support immigration in general but I think armenians are OK people, never had beef with them.

[Arsen_]

And secondly, a lot of Armenians are extreme adventurers by nature, they are not afraid of any dangers and difficulties, they easily leave homeland and go to uncharted places and many of them live on principle "get rich or die trying". I remember once I read an interesting study about trade in Caucasus, and it turned out that for many centuries the only people who had the courage to trade in the most wild and deaf corners and places of the North Caucasus were Armenians. As a example, recently there was a news about some Armenian guy from Russia, who went to Colombia (?!), to the places where the were only rebels and no any government and absolute lack of law and safety, and there he was looking for some poisonous frogs for the purpose of resale. And of course it ended sadly for him, he was captured by the rebels but even in this situation he managed to grab a grenade from a rebel and blow up a group of rebels and escape and after that his fate is unknown. Most likely he was killed.

Recently two Armenian brothers Artyom and Edward Vardanyan went to Africa to buy and ship the animals to Armenia but they were arrested at Kilimanjaro International Airport and a charter airplane that was supposed to transport 500 monkeys and other animals to Armenia has been seized in Tanzania. They spent almost 8 months in African jail but recently were released.

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[Ayetooey]

Sure. I don't mind Armenians.

[LostSoul]

Armenians made a significant community here in Poland. You are welcome. Robert Makłowicz is the most famous Polish Armenian (I think, like 1/4). He made my childhood better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGArE8kwrOw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6WUrmILvs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z0jltSl2dM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiPw-56oU3E

[oszkar07]

Armenian diaspora made several contribution to Hungary in the past.
But given recent Hungarian Government stance I wouldnt be suprised Armenians wouldn't wish to come in Hungary.

[LostSoul]

Armenian diaspora made several contribution to Hungary in the past.
But given recent Hungarian Government stance I wouldnt be suprised Armenians wouldn't wish to come in Hungary.

There was something with Turkey, I guess. Hungarian Turanism must be a big thing, I suppose.

[catgeorge]

Armenians in Thessaloniki are fine - integrate well considering there's a large Pontian population in Thessaloniki as well. There's about 20,000 of them have their own school and church and are solid contributors due to their conservative backbone.

Although Armenians are really good Thessaloniki city has turned into a mini Caucasus.

[oszkar07]

There was something with Turkey, I guess. Hungarian Turanism must be a big thing, I suppose.

For the majority of people its probably not a big deal and at least not at that level to be pro anti Armenian which would be totally ridiculous considering Hungary has had no personal conflict with them.
This was just Hungarian Government sucking Azerbaijan D--k because they have a lot of money and potential buisiness deals ... this is called "Real Politic" , if buisiness deals situations was taken away this would never have happened but some enthusiastic Turanists like to believe its all for love.

[oszkar07]

double post

[XenophobicPrussian]

Armenians in Thessaloniki are 100 percent integrated and enjoy respect as they are an integral part of the city's recent history. I had several Armenian friends at university and, in fact, I would not have been able to distinguish them from local Greeks if they didn't tell me.
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gross thread overall though