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Jehan
12-29-2016, 08:44 PM
This country isn't clear for me. Except for the war against armenia, we don't really know where put this country.

As they are shia, we can expect they are closer to Iran and Assad. It seems they are good friend with Iran and Russia a bit but they don't participate at all in the syrian operation. They prefer focus on Armenia?
In the same time, azeris are very close to Turk and surprisingly Israel.

This country seems to try to ally everybody, to conquer Karabakh without outside opposition.

Porn Master
12-29-2016, 08:48 PM
I am not a fan of Azeris but their country is more advanced, modern and westernized than Armenia

Mingle
12-29-2016, 08:59 PM
The Republic of Azerbaijan is very anti-Iran. Iran is their biggest enemy after Armenia. Religion is not a factor in Azeri politics. Azeris are less religious than the French and Germans. Iran is close allies with Azerbaijan's sworn enemy Armenia. Azerbaijan helps Israel against Iran since Iran is their common enemy and Iran helps Armenia.

Azerbaijan does not play a significant role in the Syrian War but probably supports Assad because they don't want to interfere in the current status quo. He's also a secular Shia.

Rumata
12-30-2016, 08:53 AM
I am not a fan of Azeris but their country is more advanced...

It's because they have more oil. But cunning Armenians know how to migrate to Russia, where there's even more oil.

user_
12-30-2016, 09:11 AM
I am not a fan of Azeris but their country is more advanced, modern and westernized than Armenia

What you mean under "westernized". WannabeDubai skyline of Baku? Than yes, it's modern and westernized.
But Armenia is more progressive, less corrupted and more western in culture.
Problem of Azerbaijan is central asian style dictatorship.

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 09:31 AM
I am not a fan of Azeris but their country is more advanced, modern and westernized than Armenia

You seem to equate Azerbaijan's monetary wealth, with westernization and cultural achievements; on the contrary, Azerbaijan's cultural, intellectual and spiritual achievements are a stick in the mud, compared with that of Armenia; and, much of Azerbaijan's oil wealth has been squandered upon a fanatically exorbitant military budget. Azerbaijan's annual military budget exceeds the entire annual budget of Armenia. Building skyscrapers in Baku doesn't mean that Azerbaijan comprehends the dynamics of a rich cultural heritage.

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 10:06 AM
The Republic of Azerbaijan is very anti-Iran. Iran is their biggest enemy after Armenia. Religion is not a factor in Azeri politics. Azeris are less religious than the French and Germans. Iran is close allies with Azerbaijan's sworn enemy Armenia. Azerbaijan helps Israel against Iran since Iran is their common enemy and Iran helps Armenia.

Very True! Azerbaijan was created, as an appeasement to the Pan Turkic ambitions of Ataturk's Turkey. Also, Azerbaijan could serve as a fifth column security threat to Northern Iran, in the hope that its agents stir up Iran's Azeri population. Fortunately, their subversive plans have been fruitless. Iran plays a game of friendship with Azerbaijan, but it's only a game to help keep Iran's Northern border secure.

Armenia and Iran have established a powerful and productive alliance. Iranian oil already enters the Armenian economy; in the other direction, Armenian exports can reach the Middle East via Iran. In fact there is a trilateral alliance between Armenia, Iran, and Russia.


Azerbaijan does not play a significant role in the Syrian War but probably supports Assad because they don't want to interfere in the current status quo. He's also a secular Shia.

Nope, Azerbaijan doesn't support Assad, it's the other way around, because Azerbaijan's true loyalty is with Turkey. Azerbaijan usually is on the same page with Turkey's strategic interests. Azerbaijan supports Turkish actions in Syria. Armenians, on the other hand, have forged an alliance with Assad's Syria.

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 10:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvyK2YdXRzU&t=307s

Azerbaijan Is Poor Despite An Oil Revolution. There government is repressive and fascistic.
Free speech is repressed there.
There president (Ilam Aliyev), his family and his relatives pillage Azerbaijan's oil wealth.
Local officials are also corrupt.

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 01:43 PM
What you mean under "westernized". WannabeDubai skyline of Baku? Than yes, it's modern and westernized.




Georgia isn't "WannabeDubai" or "WannabeWestern" according to some cities heh?





But Armenia is more progressive, less corrupted and more western in culture.



lel






Problem of Azerbaijan is central asian style dictatorship.



lel again




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INpx0921tw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJRwzPEwhaQ

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 01:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvyK2YdXRzU&t=307s

Azerbaijan Is Poor Despite An Oil Revolution. There government is repressive and fascistic.
Free speech is repressed there.
There president (Ilam Aliyev), his family and his relatives pillage Azerbaijan's oil wealth.
Local officials are also corrupt.




okay Azerbeidjan is poor and Armenia is rich. You happy?

user_
12-30-2016, 02:22 PM
Georgia isn't "WannabeDubai" or "WannabeWestern" according to some cities heh?








lel









lel again




Why are you leling?
We are comparing Azerbaijan and Armenia. Compared to Azerbaijan, Armenia is less corrupted and more "western". That dose not mean Armenia is absolutely free from corruption, of course.

Corruption index in 2016
http://a.pix.ge/q/4n8c4.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 02:31 PM
Why are you leling?
We are comparing Azerbaijan and Armenia. Compared to Azerbaijan, Armenia is less corrupted and more "western". That dose not mean Armenia is absolutely free from corruption, of course.

Corruption index in 2016
http://a.pix.ge/q/4n8c4.jpg (http://pix.ge/)





man, open your eyes into reality and don't follow statistics like an autist :picard1:

user_
12-30-2016, 02:42 PM
man, open your eyes into reality and don't follow statistics like an autist :picard1:

You wanna talk about personal impressions?
Okay, i have been in both countries several times.
Azerbaijan is typical Central Asian state. With president's and his family portraits everywhere, police takes bribe on the roads, like in soviet times.
Armenia is more poor, there is no oil. But political system is nothing like in Azerbaijan. Democracy in Armenia is far from perfection, but Armenians doing much better, than Azerbaijan.

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 02:49 PM
You wanna talk about personal impressions?
Okay, i have been in both countries several times.
Azerbaijan is typical Central Asian state. With president's and his family portraits everywhere, police takes bribe on the roads, like in soviet times.
Armenia is more poor, there is no oil. But political system is nothing like in Azerbaijan. Democracy in Armenia is far from perfection, but Armenians doing much better, than Azerbaijan.




what do they much better show me facts and elaborate. I've been also in post Sovietic countries but I wouldn't say that Armenia is rich. Most armenians left and leave Armenia so if there's okay why don't they go back to their homeland? This concerns also Georgians

user_
12-30-2016, 02:58 PM
what do they much better show me facts and elaborate. I've been also in post Sovietic countries but I wouldn't say that Armenia is rich. Most armenians left and leave Armenia so if there's okay why don't they go back to their homeland? This concerns also Georgians

Who said Armenia is rich? I said Armenia is poor, even compared to Azerbaijan. We were talking about corruption and democracy.
Emigration rate is high not only in Armenia, but also in Azerbaijan. You live in Russia, you see how many Azerbaijanian migrants come to your country?
Georgians do not migrate to Russia. First of all it's not the place where Georgians dream to live, second it's impossible, we have visa regime.

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 03:00 PM
Who said Armenia is rich? I said Armenia is poor, even compared to Azerbaijan. We were talking about corruption and democracy.
Emigration rate is high not only in Armenia, but also in Azerbaijan. You live in Russia, you see how many Azerbaijanian migrants come to your country?
Georgians do not migrate to Russia. First of all it's not the place for Georgians dream to live, second it's impossible, we have visa regime.




man, there are many georgians I know and they don't want to leave Russia. What are you talkin about?

user_
12-30-2016, 03:03 PM
man, there are many georgians

How many?? 1 million, 2 million, 5 million? When they emigrated to Russia?

Pahli
12-30-2016, 03:04 PM
How many?? 1 million, 2 million, 5 million? When they emigrate to Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians

According to Wikipedia there's only 150K in Russia and 100K in Iran :D

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 03:08 PM
How many?? 1 million, 2 million, 5 million? When they emigrated to Russia?




more than Russians in Georgia any way ;)

Petros Agapetos
12-30-2016, 03:08 PM
Islam in Azerbaijan (http://muslimpopulation.com/asia/Azerbaijan/Islam%20in%20Azerbaijan.php)

Approximately 99.2 percent of the population of Azerbaijan is Muslim according to a 2009 Pew Research center report. The rest of the population adheres to other faiths or are non-religious, although they are not officially represented. Among the Muslim majority, religious observance varies and Muslim identity tends to be based more on culture and ethnicity rather than religion; however, many imams reported increased attendance at mosques during 2003. The Muslim population is approximately 85% Shi'a and 15% Sunni; differences traditionally have not been defined sharply.

Most Shias are adherents of orthodox Ithna Ashari school of Shi'a Islam. Other traditional religions or beliefs that are followed by many in the country are the orthodox Sunni Islam, the Armenian Apostolic Church (in Nagorno-Karabakh), the Russian Orthodox Church, the Georgian Orthodox Church, and various Christian sects. Traditionally villages around Baku and Lenkoran region are considered stronghold of Shi'ism. In some northern regions, populated by Sunni Dagestani (Lezghian) people, the Salafi movement gained great following. Folk Islam is widely practiced but there is little evidence of an organized Sufi movement.

Radical Islamism

There is a certain rise of religious extremism across the Azerbaijan as a result of continued problems such as corruption, poverty, and semi-authoritarian government rule, combined with disillusionment with the West and support of religious sects from different countries. However there's a very limited support for radical Islam in Azerbaijan. According to Svante Cornell:

Azerbaijan can rightly claim to be among the most progressive and secular Islamic societies. Aside from having been the first Muslim country to have operas, theater plays, and a democratic republic, Azerbaijan today is among the Muslim countries where support for secularism is the highest, and where radical ideologies have met only very limited interest.

Svante Cornell believes that the radical groups remain weak, but have a potential to grow under the current domestic and international circumstances. To confront this, the Azerbaijani state needs to address the diarchy in terms of supervision of religious structures. He writes, that the Government policies toward Islam in general and Islamic radicalism in particular have been inadequate.

Islamic activism, and radicalism, has geographic variations: while Shias are strong in the South of Azerbaijan, the Sunni radicalism is growing in the North, and the capital is experiencing growth in both Shi’a and Sunni radicalism.

The International Crisis Group has determined, in the executive summary of the findings from its special report on religion in Azerbaijan, that: "Azerbaijan is a secular state with an overwhelmingly moderate (predominantly Shiite) Muslim population. Since the break-up of the Soviet Union and independence in 1991, independent Sunni and Shiite groups have emerged which refuse the spiritual authority of the official clergy. Some are political, but very few, if any, appear intent on employing violence to overthrow the state.

Azerbaijani journalist Rafiq Tağı, critical of Islam, was sentenced to three years in prison in Azerbaijan and killed by a group of Azerbaijanis after parole in 2011. According to IPWR reporter K. Guluzade, the case of journalist "demonstrates that Islamic sentiment is strong in Azerbaijan and has complicated relations with Azerbaijan’s southern neighbor, the Islamic Republic of Iran."

The Islamic Groups and Forces in Azerbaijan include The Juma Mosque Community, the Islamic Party of Azerbaijan and Jeyshullah.

user_
12-30-2016, 03:10 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians

According to Wikipedia there's only 150K in Russia and 100K in Iran :D

Yes, this is official statistic. And i think actually there is even less than 150k. Most of them live in Russia from soviet times.

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 03:10 PM
Islam in Azerbaijan (http://muslimpopulation.com/asia/Azerbaijan/Islam%20in%20Azerbaijan.php)

Approximately 99.2 percent of the population of Azerbaijan is Muslim according to a 2009 Pew Research center report. The rest of the population adheres to other faiths or are non-religious, although they are not officially represented. Among the Muslim majority, religious observance varies and Muslim identity tends to be based more on culture and ethnicity rather than religion; however, many imams reported increased attendance at mosques during 2003. The Muslim population is approximately 85% Shi'a and 15% Sunni; differences traditionally have not been defined sharply.

Most Shias are adherents of orthodox Ithna Ashari school of Shi'a Islam. Other traditional religions or beliefs that are followed by many in the country are the orthodox Sunni Islam, the Armenian Apostolic Church (in Nagorno-Karabakh), the Russian Orthodox Church, the Georgian Orthodox Church, and various Christian sects. Traditionally villages around Baku and Lenkoran region are considered stronghold of Shi'ism. In some northern regions, populated by Sunni Dagestani (Lezghian) people, the Salafi movement gained great following. Folk Islam is widely practiced but there is little evidence of an organized Sufi movement.

There are fairly sizable expatriate Christian and Muslim communities in the capital city of Baku; authorities generally permit these groups to worship freely.




they aren't muslims, azeris are most atheist people in the world lol

user_
12-30-2016, 03:15 PM
more than Russians in Georgia any way ;)

Nah. If you comapre percentage, then percent of Russians in Georgian population is higher, than Georgians in Russian population :)
26 000 Russians live in Georgia, population of Geo is less than 4 million.
150 000 Georgians live in Russia, population of Rus 143 million.

Porn Master
12-30-2016, 03:23 PM
Nah. If you comapre percentage, then percent of Russians in Georgian population is higher, than Georgians in Russian population :)
26 000 Russians live in Georgia, population of Geo is less than 4 million.
150 000 Georgians live in Russia, population of Rus 143 million.





the whole ethnicity doesn't count


Russians in Georgia (doctors, engineers)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Georgia



Georgians in Russia (most of them are mobs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians_in_Russia




see difference?

Böri
12-30-2016, 03:40 PM
the whole ethnicity doesn't count


Russians in Georgia (doctors, engineers)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Georgia



Georgians in Russia (most of them are mobs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians_in_Russia




see difference?

Azerbaijan has more advanced life standard than Russia except big Russian cities. You arent Russian yourself.Of course AZ its 100 times more rich and more advanced than Armenia.

user_
12-30-2016, 03:42 PM
the whole ethnicity doesn't count


Russians in Georgia (doctors, engineers)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Georgia



Georgians in Russia (most of them are mobs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians_in_Russia




see difference?

No i'cant see any statistic about profession of Georgians in Russia and vice versa.

Only thing i know about this staff is that, most famous geogian in Russia-Leo Bokeria is the cardiologist #1 in Russia. And the most famous Russian in Georgia-Moroshkina is know for her big boobs :D

Ok, i'm joking, the most famous Russian in Georgia is Shashkin, he was minister of defense. He is one of the most antikremlin politic in Georgia :)))

Azad Beg
12-30-2016, 06:00 PM
South Azerbaijan needs to be liberated from Persian ethno-fascists. The Persian in this discussion gets REKT by two proud Azeri nationalists.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLwD_Ybfco4

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 07:36 PM
Armenia Ranks Ahead of Turkey and Azerbaijan, in latest Human Freedom Index Report
Published on 30 November, 2016, in the Armenian Weekly.

http://armenianweekly.com/2016/11/29/armenia-ranks-ahead-of-turkey-azerbaijan/

"WASHINGTON (A.W.)—Armenia ranks 55th in the world in terms of human freedom, according to the Human Freedom Index (HFI) 2016 report published on Nov. 29. According to the figures, which measure personal, civil, and economic freedom, Armenia ranks ahead of most of its neighbors: Azerbaijan (128th), Turkey (90th), and Iran (157th); but behind Georgia (43rd)."

"The index uses 79 distinct indicators of personal and economic freedom in the following areas: rule of law; security and safety; movement; religion; association, assembly, and civil society; expression; relationships; size of government; legal system and property rights; access to sound money; freedom to trade internationally; and regulation of credit, labor, and business."

"HFI is the most comprehensive freedom index, which covers 159 countries. The index ranks countries beginning in 2008, the earliest year for which a robust enough index could be produced."

"On a scale of 0 to 10, where 10 represents more freedom, the non-weighted average rating for 159 countries in 2014 was 6.93. The level of global freedom stayed about the same compared to 2008, but almost all countries experienced changes in their ratings, with about half of those increasing their ratings and half decreasing."

"The findings in the HFI suggest that freedom plays an important role in human well-being, and they offer opportunities for further research into the complex ways in which freedom influences, and can be influenced by, political regimes, economic development, and the whole range of indicators of human well-being."

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 07:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh2oDGKdg0I

Filthy Rich: Aliyev Family of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijana is a nation where the average citizen makes $420 a month; on the other hand, the family and relatives of Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev accumulates worldwide property, assets, and business interests worth billions, and billions more. Meanwhile, life outside of metropolitan areas like Baku, is backwards and regressive.

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 08:11 PM
The 11 year old son of Azerbaijan's president purchased £30million ($44,000,000 in US Dollars) worth of luxury Dubai property. Heydar Aliyev, the son of Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev, was 11 years old when he made the 44 million dollar real estate purchase in Dubai's Palm Jumeirah development.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/azerbaijan/7379847/Azerbaijan-presidents-son-12-buys-30m-worth-of-luxury-Dubai-property.html


The purchases are about the equivalent to 10,000 years' worth of salary for the average citizen of the country.

Armenian Bishop
12-30-2016, 09:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unAU-WxZjh4

Böri
12-31-2016, 05:13 AM
GDP
Azerbaijan:
$102.7 billion (2013 est.)
$97.04 billion (2012 est.)
$94.98 billion (2011 est.)
note: data are in 2013 US dollars

Armenia:
$20.61 billion (2013 est.)
$19.7 billion (2012 est.)
$18.38 billion (2011 est.)
note: data are in 2013 US dollars

GDP PER CAPITA
Azerbaijani
$10,800 (2013 est.)
$10,500 (2012 est.)
$10,400 (2011 est.)
note: data are in 2013 US dollars

Armenia:
$6,300 (2013 est.)
$6,000 (2012 est.)
$5,600 (2011 est.)
note: data are in 2013 US dollars

Armenian mouth smell because hunger LoL

Azad Beg
12-31-2016, 05:19 AM
Armenians are very backwards and religious compared to Azeris. The ones who aren't religious are total THOTs like the Kardashians.

Myanthropologies
12-31-2016, 05:21 AM
I love Azeris.

Armenian Bishop
01-30-2017, 12:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWT-zwfn-j0
Armenia's Karabakh Stronghold defeated Azerbaijan in a four day war, last April, 2016. Baku, Azerbaijan, made a "unilateral" appeal for Russia to mediate a ceasefire agreement. Following 22 years of ferocious Cold War skirmishes, large-scale military operations were initiated by Baku's premeditated surprise attack; anticlimactically, Azerbaijan's armed forces were repulsed and defeated in a mere four days, despite some initial success. Baku's "unilateral request for a ceasefire was dredged up by signs that their frontline were on the verge of collapse. After two decades of boastful rhetoric from Baku's government, with some talk about taking Armenia's Capitol, the decision to stop the fighting was uncharacteristic of their fanatic declarations.

Armenian Bishop
01-30-2017, 12:22 AM
I love Azeris.

You legitimately give me the impression that you're enamored by them. Do you have a crush on Azeris, or is it that you have an Azeri girlfriend?

Pennywise
01-30-2017, 12:34 AM
Armenians posting shit about Azerbaijan and attacking them like rapid dogs LOL. They're still butthurt about being cucked by them. Armenia is not even a country, it's just a proxy buffer zone without any effect on regional politics.

Jehan
01-30-2017, 07:25 PM
Armenians posting shit about Azerbaijan and attacking them like rapid dogs LOL. They're still butthurt about being cucked by them. Armenia is not even a country, it's just a proxy buffer zone without any effect on regional politics.

I know most of muslim are totally disconnect from the reality. But how can you conclude armenia is cucked by azrbaijan?
As far as I know it's armenia who won the war and karabagh is still armenian.

Pennywise
01-30-2017, 07:58 PM
I know most of muslim are totally disconnect from the reality. But how can you conclude armenia is cucked by azrbaijan?
As far as I know it's armenia who won the war and karabagh is still armenian.

Since your Armenophile French brain is filled with straw, you used to see everything from an Islamic/muslim perspective thus you don't seem to understand the status of Armenia. It's the Armenia that needs to be questioned of its existence not the other way around.

Dandelion
01-30-2017, 08:10 PM
The Republic of Azerbaijan is very anti-Iran. Iran is their biggest enemy after Armenia.

Which is curious. Azeris have to drive through Iranian territory to get to their exclave, Nakhchivan. Yet they don't get along that well with Iran?

Armenian Bishop
02-14-2017, 08:14 PM
http://armenianweekly.com/2017/02/13/free-speech-held-hostage/#comment-827573

"Free Speech Held Hostage in Baku"


Within a single month, the government of Azerbaijan has managed to quote Nazi propaganda in its campaign against minorities, arrest a Jewish journalist for speaking the truth, and bomb regions where they were scheduled to meet for peace talks.

This is reality for Azerbaijan, and unfortunately, for its minorities.

While it is commonplace for Baku to disseminate propaganda stylized after Europe’s worst fascist regime against its minorities, and to reward the killings of innocent people with land and wealth, it is not all too common to see a citizen of Azerbaijan’s ally, Israel, get caught in the crosshairs.

For the first time, a journalist has been arrested under Baku’s disturbing blacklist provision. The criminalization of free speech and journalism is both inhumane and brings to light the level of corruption in Azerbaijan and Belarus.

The arrested blogger, Alexander Lapshin, faces steep punishment in Azerbaijan. His crime? He visited a region where the native population still reside and wrote about it on his blog. This region is none other than Artsakh, as it is known by the people who have lived there for thousands of years, and known as Nagorno-Karabagh (NKR) internationally.

Alexander spoke honestly about the local people, and the inhumane violence unleashed upon them by the Azeri government. The president of Azerbaijan rules in dynastic fashion, where his family and close relatives hold power, and have done so for generations. This comes with great expense to its peoples’ freedoms and aspirations for a better life.

Aliyev’s regime needs to keep prejudices in the population high in order to keep a teetering stranglehold over the oil wealth of his nation. Rather than mend the wounds of a violent past caused by Stalin’s policies of division, he continues to perpetuate a state of chaos for his country and the region.

Alexander Lapshin deserves freedom. It is a disgrace of Belarus’ government to extradite him. He must be freed. We must do more to bring light on this issue to the world. In order for the government to change its policy of oppression and genocide towards the native population there needs to be a blockade placed upon Azerbaijan. There needs to be increased pressure to free Alexander, and it needs to come from Israel and Russia too.

Mingle
02-14-2017, 10:55 PM
Which is curious. Azeris have to drive through Iranian territory to get to their exclave, Nakhchivan. Yet they don't get along that well with Iran?

Their relations aren't that bad. Azerbaijan is only truly enemies with Armenia.

Armenian Bishop
02-15-2017, 12:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxFLPQMloPo&t=12s
Azerbaijan took a whipping in the Karabakh War (1988-1994). Azeri Prisoners of War (POW) shown here are "cucked" into giving a pathetic performance of their national anthem (in the cold snow), while in the custody of the victorious Armenians. These scenes are from the last two years of the war. The conversations are translated with subtitles.

fortress europe
02-16-2017, 11:38 AM
i dont know much about azerbaijan. but they are muslims. so i am on the side of the armenians

adsız
02-16-2017, 01:13 PM
i dont know much about azerbaijan. but they are muslims. so i am on the side of the armenians

Said western version of ISIS ..

This kind of speech justifies ISIS terror.

Porn Master
02-19-2017, 02:32 PM
i dont know much about azerbaijan. but they are muslims. so i am on the side of the armenians



i don't know much about austria, but they are nazis, so i am on the side of jews xD

Charles Bronson
02-19-2017, 02:42 PM
Cry baby cry, butthurt Armenians.

Armenian Bishop
02-21-2017, 06:51 PM
http://armenianweekly.com/2017/02/21/aliyev-appoints-wife-as-vp/#comment-829536

"President Aliyev Appoints Wife as Azerbaijan’s Vice-President"


BAKU, Azerbaijan (A.W.)—Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev appointed his wife Mehriban Aliyeva as the country’s Vice-President on Feb. 21, in a move that has been widely criticized as way for Aliyev to tighten his grip on power in the country.

According to a statement released on Azerbaijan’s official presidential website, the appointment came during meeting of the country’s Security Council under the chairmanship of the President.

In Sept. 2016, Azerbaijan held a referendum, which extended presidential terms from five years to seven and created a strong Vice-Presidency.

Mehriban Aliyeva, 52, is a Member of Parliament and the deputy chair the ruling New Azerbaijan Party and heads the Heidar Aliyev Foundation—a non-governmental organization named after Aliyev’s father, former Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev, who ruled the country from 1993-2003.

Despite being active in Azerbaijani politics, leaked U.S. diplomatic cables revealed in 2010 that Aliyeva appears to be “poorly informed about political issues,” and that her family has vast business interests throughout Azerbaijan.

Armenian Bishop
02-21-2017, 07:13 PM
Cry baby cry, butthurt Armenians.

Don't shoot the messenger: I'm just reporting statements supported by factual reference sources, much of it about Azerbaijan's internal problems. That doesn't mean that I'll be silent about Azerbaijan's established practice of ethnic cleansing; neither will I be silent when Azerbaijan makes war upon thousand year old Armenian Cemeteries. It's one thing to cry over spilled milk, and quite another to cry about serial killers.

Böri
03-13-2017, 08:49 PM
Another One nation Two states with Turkey. Azeri girls are number 1 in list of foreign girls marrying Turkish guys. A symbol of the alliance forever. Turkic in marriage Turkic to death.

Melki
08-27-2017, 04:37 PM
I was in Azerbaijan a few days ago. This country proved to be a nice surprise. First, I didn't expect much of it, after all, it's the most authoritarian regime in Transcaucasus.
And in fact, many people still worship former President Heydar Aliyev.

But on the other hand, people are very educated and independent. Dominant religion is Shia Islam, but unlike its Iranian neighbor, the country is very secularized and westernised (more than Armenia, which remains stuck in Soviet times for most of the country). Baku is a self-aware city with its dazzling skyscrapers, but the oil money remained in the capital city, outside, the country is still underdeveloped.

Azerbaijanis are in my opinion the kindest people in whole Transcaucasus. Tourists are still a source of curiosity. They are often willing to help foreigners. In my case, it was pretty obvious, especially because I speak a little bit Turkish, a language very similar to Azeri, and there's a strong Turkish fraternity in all Eurasia.

Azerbaijan is neither Europe, nor Asia, it's like an island floating between two realms, situated on the shores of a sea that isn't really a sea. (Georgia is really pro-European and West-oriented while Armenia is more like a Russian satellite.)

user_
08-27-2017, 08:17 PM
I was in Azerbaijan a few days ago. This country proved to be a nice surprise. First, I didn't expect much of it, after all, it's the most authoritarian regime in Transcaucasus.
And in fact, many people still worship former President Heydar Aliyev.

But on the other hand, people are very educated and independent. Dominant religion is Shia Islam, but unlike its Iranian neighbor, the country is very secularized and westernised (more than Armenia, which remains stuck in Soviet times for most of the country). Baku is a self-aware city with its dazzling skyscrapers, but the oil money remained in the capital city, outside, the country is still underdeveloped.

Azerbaijanis are in my opinion the kindest people in whole Transcaucasus. Tourists are still a source of curiosity. They are often willing to help foreigners. In my case, it was pretty obvious, especially because I speak a little bit Turkish, a language very similar to Azeri, and there's a strong Turkish fraternity in all Eurasia.

Azerbaijan is neither Europe, nor Asia, it's like an island floating between two realms, situated on the shores of a sea that isn't really a sea. (Georgia is really pro-European and West-oriented while Armenia is more like a Russian satellite.)

Interesting to read your small reports and impressions about Caucasus countries.

Dandelion
08-27-2017, 08:25 PM
This country isn't clear for me. Except for the war against armenia, we don't really know where put this country.

As they are shia, we can expect they are closer to Iran and Assad. It seems they are good friend with Iran and Russia a bit but they don't participate at all in the syrian operation. They prefer focus on Armenia?
In the same time, azeris are very close to Turk and surprisingly Israel.

This country seems to try to ally everybody, to conquer Karabakh without outside opposition.

To quote an Azeri friend of mine

"We're like Jews, but less intelligent." :p

Armenian Bishop
08-27-2017, 11:12 PM
I was in Azerbaijan a few days ago. This country proved to be a nice surprise. First, I didn't expect much of it, after all, it's the most authoritarian regime in Transcaucasus.
And in fact, many people still worship former President Heydar Aliyev.

But on the other hand, people are very educated and independent. Dominant religion is Shia Islam, but unlike its Iranian neighbor, the country is very secularized and westernised (more than Armenia, which remains stuck in Soviet times for most of the country). Baku is a self-aware city with its dazzling skyscrapers, but the oil money remained in the capital city, outside, the country is still underdeveloped.

Azerbaijanis are in my opinion the kindest people in whole Transcaucasus. Tourists are still a source of curiosity. They are often willing to help foreigners. In my case, it was pretty obvious, especially because I speak a little bit Turkish, a language very similar to Azeri, and there's a strong Turkish fraternity in all Eurasia.

Azerbaijan is neither Europe, nor Asia, it's like an island floating between two realms, situated on the shores of a sea that isn't really a sea. (Georgia is really pro-European and West-oriented while Armenia is more like a Russian satellite.)

Um, did you get a little drunk there, because you're talking like a gullible tourist?

Those "kindest people in whole Transcaucus" would look mean spirited if you'd visited Karabakh first; in fact, they wouldn't have let you into the country. Those whom try to get into Azerbaijan without disguising their visit to Karabakh are considered to be persona non grata; unless, they find themselves a new home in Azerbaijan's prison system, as was the case with the Israeli Russian Jew, Alexander Lapshin. Alexander Lapshin, found himself a new residence in Azerbaijan's prison system, because he visited Armenia's Karabakh stronghold, and spoke out against Baku, Azerbaijan's political evils.

Armenian Bishop
08-27-2017, 11:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op65AEvzIhg

Journalist Alexander Lapshin was extradicted to Azerbaijan by Belarus and taken to prison in Baku for visiting Nagorno Karabakh.

gültekin
08-27-2017, 11:25 PM
Um, did you get a little drunk there, because you're talking like a gullible tourist?

Those "kindest people in whole Transcaucus" would look pretty mean spirited if you'd visited Karabakh first; in fact, they wouldn't have let you into the country. Those whom try to get into Azerbaijan without disguising their visit to Karabakh are considered to be persona non grata; unless, they find themselves a new home in Azerbaijan's prison system, as was the case with the Israeli Russian Jew, Alexander Lapshin. Alexander Lapshin, found himself a new residence in Azerbaijan's prison system, because he visited Armenia's Karabakh stronghold, and spoke out against Baku, Azerbaijan's political evils.

How about the fact that you can't even tolerate a positive comment about Azerbaijan?

Not to mention Armenia is the shittiest country in the region, in every aspect.

Root
08-27-2017, 11:25 PM
message from Ossetians to Armenians



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO2aFvsgN_A

Dandelion
08-27-2017, 11:30 PM
The Azeri I know has an Armenian grandmother and a bunch of Armenian relatives he has never (probably never) met but is aware exist and their whereabouts. He doesn't like talking about the Armeno-Azeri conflict, so I'm probably not linking him this thread ever.

user_
08-28-2017, 06:05 AM
Those "kindest people in whole Transcaucus" would look mean spirited if you'd visited Karabakh first; in fact, they wouldn't have let you into the country. Those whom try to get into Azerbaijan without disguising their visit to Karabakh are considered to be persona non grata; unless, they find themselves a new home in Azerbaijan's prison system, as was the case with the Israeli Russian Jew, Alexander Lapshin. Alexander Lapshin, found himself a new residence in Azerbaijan's prison system, because he visited Armenia's Karabakh stronghold, and spoke out against Baku, Azerbaijan's political evils.

Azerbaijanis are not used to see foreigners often, so yes, they are very kind and helpful to them. More deep in the countryside you go, more kind people you see. Everybody tries to feed you and give tea. That was true for Georgia also, 10-15 years ago you could get free vine in villages, but now everything is commercialized because of tourist flow has increased.

So i'm pretty sure Melki is right, Azeris are kindest people, if you are not Armenian of course :D

Root
08-28-2017, 08:43 AM
Azerbaijanis are not used to see foreigners often, so yes, they are very kind and helpful to them. More deep in the countryside you go, more kind people you see. Everybody tries to feed you and give tea. That was true for Georgia also, 10-15 years ago you could get free vine in villages, but now everything is commercialized because of tourist flow has increased.

So i'm pretty sure Melki is right, Azeris are kindest people, if you are not Armenian of course :D




what made you frustrated that you disliked my previous post? It's because you got cucked by Russian troops in 08.08.08?

Melki
08-28-2017, 09:31 AM
Um, did you get a little drunk there, because you're talking like a gullible tourist?

Those "kindest people in whole Transcaucus" would look mean spirited if you'd visited Karabakh first; in fact, they wouldn't have let you into the country. Those whom try to get into Azerbaijan without disguising their visit to Karabakh are considered to be persona non grata; unless, they find themselves a new home in Azerbaijan's prison system, as was the case with the Israeli Russian Jew, Alexander Lapshin. Alexander Lapshin, found himself a new residence in Azerbaijan's prison system, because he visited Armenia's Karabakh stronghold, and spoke out against Baku, Azerbaijan's political evils.

Yes, I was there as a tourist, and I depict things as seen by a neutral tourist, without political bias.
I didn't visit Nagorno-Karabakh since I didn't want to jeopardise my chances to visit Azerbaijan. Visitors who apply for a visa are requested to certify that they never went to Karabakh.
When I crossed the Georgian-Azerbaijani border, the Azeri custom officers asked if I visited Armenia. I couldn't lie since I have stamps from Armenia in my passport. So they wanted to check my bags, looking for possible compromising proofs that I visited Artsakh. I didn't want them to find the sticker of the Armenian flag I bought in Yerevan. So I started to say a few words in Turkish and they ceased to bother me immediately.

This was for the authorities. Normal people, especially the Azeri youth, doesn't really care about Armenia, all the more so because the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is frozen since 1994.

Azerbaijanis often demonstrated an unexpected francophilia. I thought Armenians were more francophile., because of the Gayssot Law (denying the existence of the Armenian genocide is illegal in France) and Charlestown Aznavour (and all what he did during the 1988 earthquake). But it seems Hayastan only cares about Russia and America.


Azerbaijanis are not used to see foreigners often, so yes, they are very kind and helpful to them. More deep in the countryside you go, more kind people you see. Everybody tries to feed you and give tea. That was true for Georgia also, 10-15 years ago you could get free vine in villages, but now everything is commercialized because of tourist flow has increased.

So i'm pretty sure Melki is right, Azeris are kindest people, if you are not Armenian of course :D

100% agree. Georgia is the most complete and diversified country in Transcaucasus. It's also very organised and West-oriented, with good facilities, making it the most suitable nation for tourism. The airport in Kutaisi vomits every summer low-quality tourists travelling for cheap with Wizzair, thousands of Poles want to climb Mount Kazbek.
I think Georgians are growing fed up of foreign visitors and are maybe less hospitable than before.

With that being said, Georgians were certainly more welcoming 15 years ago. But Georgia was far from being a safe tourist destination under Shevardnaze's rule. Economic policy was chaotic, police was corrupted, gangsters were ruling the country, energy shortfalls were frequent, early tourists were raped in Svaneti.
Everything changed with "Misha" Saakashvili. He secured the country and developed tourism, wanting to turn Georgia into the Switzerland of the Caucasus.
Now the 3 Transcaucasian states are safe places to travel, much safer than any West European country.

Tourism is something relatively new in Azerbaijan. Since January 2017, applying for a visa is cheaper and faster on-line, Azerbaijan's board of tourism is now making more efforts to promote the country.
Now, Azeris are still keen on offering tea and candies to foreign visitors, but for how long?

Böri
08-28-2017, 09:34 AM
To quote an Azeri friend of mine

"We're like Jews, but less intelligent." :p

It's not Azeri but Azerbaijani. Most of them would be bothered that you call them 'Azeri,

Melki
08-28-2017, 12:18 PM
It's not Azeri but Azerbaijani. Most of them would be bothered that you call them 'Azeri,

Azeri is synonymous for Azerbaijani both in English and Azerbaijani.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis

user_
08-28-2017, 03:57 PM
With that being said, Georgians were certainly more welcoming 15 years ago. But Georgia was far from being a safe tourist destination under Shevardnaze's rule. Economic policy was chaotic, police was corrupted, gangsters were ruling the country, energy shortfalls were frequent, early tourists were raped in Svaneti.
Everything changed with "Misha" Saakashvili. He secured the country and developed tourism, wanting to turn Georgia into the Switzerland of the Caucasus.
Now the 3 Transcaucasian states are safe places to travel, much safer than any West European country.

What is your opinion about becoming Georgia part of EU, is it even possible when country is enclosed by Russia and Turkey ?

Melki
08-28-2017, 05:06 PM
What is your opinion about becoming Georgia part of EU, is it even possible when country is enclosed by Russia and Turkey ?

Yes, with certainty. Look at Cyprus. A disputed and partitioned island closer to the Levant than any other European state. If Cyprus managed to join the EU as early as 2004, then why not Georgia?

Dandelion
08-28-2017, 05:09 PM
It's not Azeri but Azerbaijani. Most of them would be bothered that you call them 'Azeri,

That guy I know calls himself Azeri with me. They're synonyms, but Azerbaijani is more commonly heard. I myself prefer Azeri because it's a more irregular name, whereas Azerbaijani is just the adjective based on the name of the country.

Div
10-15-2017, 06:27 AM
I admire the Armenians for their defiance even when they are in a sea of Islam for a thousand years. Nagorno-Karabakh is rightfully part of Armenia and should be accepted by the international community. Azerbaijanis as a group have no claim to those lands and have actively worked together with Turkic nationalists like the Grey Wolves.

Arduti
10-15-2017, 06:38 AM
I admire the Armenians for their defiance even when they are in a sea of Islam for a thousand years. Nagorno-Karabakh is rightfully part of Armenia and should be accepted by the international community. Azerbaijanis as a group have no claim to those lands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2KWVrLKEM

Armenian Bishop
10-15-2017, 06:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2KWVrLKEM

No This ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyWEIKYwOE

Turkic crowd in Sweden, with flags from Azerbaijan, cheering while speaker cries out for "death to Armenian dogs."

Arduti
10-15-2017, 07:17 PM
No This ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyWEIKYwOE

Turkic crowd in Sweden, with flags from Azerbaijan, cheering while speaker cries out for "death to Armenian dogs."

It's sad.
I could never see any human being as a dog.

If you respected yourself, and also if you did not assume the worst about others, you would not spread such filthy things about your people or others' people.

Hudayar
10-15-2017, 07:30 PM
Azerbaijan needs a better government than Aliyev's.

Armenian Bishop
02-23-2018, 07:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh3CayWd29M

How do you get a billion dollars for free? Ask the President of Azerbaijan.

Armenian Bishop
03-13-2018, 11:01 PM
Azerbaijan: Land of Intolerance. By Casey Edgarian (March 7, 2018).
https://armenianweekly.com/2018/03/07/azerbaijan-land-intolerance/

Over the past several years, the post-Soviet petrostate of Azerbaijan has sought to promote a sanitized image of itself through a targeted media campaign. From elaborate architectural investments, such as the $250,000,000 Heydar Aliyev Center, to all-expenses-paid trips for American and European politicians, the ruling regime has used its vast oil wealth in an attempt to polish its bruised image. This comes on the heels of a slew of exposés criticizing widespread corruption and an abominable human rights record, including the persecution of journalists in this Caspian state.

The most recent public relations stunt has been the country’s “Land of Tolerance” campaign, which claims that the Azerbaijan is a utopia for all three Abrahamic religions and the myriad ethnicities that live within its borders. The reality, however, is that the country in no way resembles this manufactured religiously and ethnically pluralistic haven. Since the decline of the Soviet Union, the history of Azerbaijan has been rife with ethnic and religious persecution.

This year marks the 30th anniversary of the beginning of anti-Armenian pogroms in the city of Sumgait. On Fe. 27, 1988, local Azerbaijani mobs broke into the houses of unarmed Armenian civilians in the city of Sumgait to murder and sexually assault them. As Thomas de Waal writes in his book Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan Through Peace and War, “roving gangs committed acts of horrific savagery. Several victims were so badly mutilated by axes that their bodies could not be identified.” These crimes were committed under the direct order of the political leadership of the country in response to the peaceful demonstrations in Stepanakert and Yerevan hundreds of miles away.

The massacres and violence only ceased when the central government in Moscow declared martial law and sent in troops. These atrocities were committed solely on the basis of ethnic and religious hatred towards the local Christian Armenians, and led to the forced expulsion of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Armenians from Azerbaijani-controlled territory. Three decades later, these refugees are still unable to return to their homes, and all property that they could not carry on their backs has been stolen by the ruling regime. As a result of the government’s campaign to purge all Armenians from the land it controls, there is no substantial Armenian population left in the Republic of Azerbaijan today.

In addition to the human suffering it has caused, the Azerbaijani state has been keen to eliminate any trace of Armenian civilization on the land it controls. In the exclave of Nakhichevan—where the ruling Aliyev clan hails from—the Azerbaijani government undertook a carefully planned campaign of destruction of the Armenian stone-carved crosses, known as khachkars, in 2005. Azerbaijani soldiers and local vandals used a variety of methods to obliterate the crosses, including using them for target practice, and taking sledgehammers to the intricately carved medieval gravestones, which were registered on the UNESCO-designated Intangible Cultural Heritage list. This act was not only ethnically motivated, but also had religious undertones, as the crosses are a unique symbol of the Armenian church and Armenia’s role as the first country to officially adopt Christianity as a state religion.

The ruling regime’s intolerance is not limited to persecuting Christians. Though the vast majority of the country’s current population is Shiite Muslim, the government has put a number of restrictions on religious freedom for its citizens. Last fall, the dictatorial regime approved a bill that would ban the participation of children in the remembrance of Ashura, the most important Shiite holiday, which commemorates the slaying of a religious figure by a tyrant. In 2015, the commemorations were banned entirely in Ganja, the second largest city in the country, as well as in the city of Nardaran, and several locales in the Nakhichevan area.

Rallies by anyone opposing the ruling party are viewed with suspicion by the regime, but particularly the religious opposition, who they allege maintain support from the Iranian government. The religiously conservative city of Nardaran has been a hotbed of tension against the ruling Aliyev clan, who have maintained nearly continual power over the country since 1969. In Nov. 2015, more than six people were killed by regime forces, after they raided the city and attempted to imprison a number of its inhabitants. In Jan. 2016, the city was again plunged into chaos after the government arrested more than 60 civilians, which it claimed had been preparing for an uprising. They later sentenced 17 of them to a combined 270 years in prison.

In addition to the Shiite majority, the second largest religious group in the country, Sunni Muslims, are equally targeted by the authorities. Most Sunni Muslims are from ethnic minorities that inhabit the impoverished northern part of the country, which makes them doubly targeted by the ultranationalist regime. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Lezgi people have been among the most vocal to seek greater linguistic, religious, and cultural autonomy vis-à-vis a state that attempts to forcibly assimilate all diversity in the areas it controls. In the early 1990s, a group called Sadval was formed to promote the rights of the Lezgins. Similar to the Kurds in Turkey, the Lezgins were prohibited from learning their own language or developing their culture. This group was subsequently blacklisted by the authorities, after they claimed that Sadval had been responsible for an attack on the Baku metro.

More recently, in March 2015, the imam of the Lezgin Mosque in Baku was arrested, and five worshippers were imprisoned by the state due to their religion and the accusation that they had been selling literature that had not been previously approved by the regime. Other Sunni mosques to have been targeted by the Aliyev dictatorship include the Abu Bakr, Prophet Muhammad, Ashurbey and Mushfiqabad mosques in Baku, the Akhli Mosque in Ganja, as well as mosques in the cities of Qobustan and Shirvan. Practicing Muslims are routinely attacked by the regime, with authorities shaving and burning the beards of men, and forcing women in hijab to take off their veils. Since 2010, in particular, the indigenous inhabitants of the northern areas of Azerbaijan, the Lezgins, Avars, and Tsakhurs, all of whom belong to the Sunni branch of Islam, have been targeted by a xenophobic campaign, which seeks to paint members of those ethnic groups as being terrorists and separatists. In the governorate of Qusar, where 95% of the population is Lezgin, all posts in the local government are held by Azerbaijani Turks. This trend is similar to other parts of the country, where there is no official representation for minorities.

The Talysh, an Iranic-speaking minority in the south of the country, have also been heavily persecuted by the state. The community faces similar obstacles as other discriminated groups in Azerbaijan, but are at particular risk of assimilation, due to the majority of the population being Shiite Muslim. Like the Lezgins, the Talysh have had their linguistic and cultural rights restricted by the regime. As a result of the aggressive language policy of the Azerbaijani government, few ethnic Talysh have even basic knowledge of their own language. In 2007, Novruzali Mammadov, the editor of the Talysh-language newspaper Talyshi Sado, was arrested by the authorities under the accusation that he was spying for Iran. On Aug. 17, 2009, he died while in an Azerbaijani prison. Since his arrest, Talysh activism in Azerbaijan has been repressed to the extent that much of the movement now operates in exile. The official movement for the Talysh people, the National Talysh Movement, is now located in the Netherlands, and is headed by Alikram Hummatov, who was also formerly imprisoned in Azerbaijan for his activism.

The regime’s attempts to use public relations to whitewash widespread discriminatory practices towards religious and ethnic minorities, is yet another injustice towards them. We should not ignore the pleas of those who are discriminated against by the Azerbaijani government, but instead should encourage further democratization efforts in the country. The best way to achieve that is to put pressure on the Aliyev regime by restricting its sources of revenue and imposing targeted sanctions against the top leadership of the regime. The U.S. government should hold the regime accountable for its crimes and ensure its commitments to international agreements by granting religious and ethnic minorities their freedom. We must see through the Azerbaijani state’s smoke and mirrors. Only then can those persecuted receive the justice they deserve.

Odin
03-14-2018, 10:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPST3KvKT4Q

Armenian Bishop
03-15-2018, 12:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispMSktZNyg&t=460s

Azerbaijan, a hateful country that wages war against the gravestones of the dead and buried. This is nothing less than cultural genocide against the People of Armenia. It's one thing to wage war against the living, and quite another to pound into rubble the gravestones of countless generations. But, that's exactly what has happened in Azerbaijan, where no Armenians can defend the graves of their ancestors.

The Julfa Armenian Cemetery is located in Nakhichevan, under the Northern Shadows of Mount Ararat, and on the Northern Banks of the Araxes River. The destruction of the Julfa Armenian Cemetery was filmed and videoed by cameramen in Iran, from the Southern Banks of the Araxes River. The progress of the destruction was progressively documented (over a period of years) with satellite photos, as well as by the cameramen on the Iranian Side of the Border. By 2006, some 10,000 ornately carved Armenian Kachkars (or gravestone crosses) were pounded into rubble. Film videos show Azerbaijan's military personnel, with sledgehammers, and other hand tools, busily working to destroy the Armenian cultural landmarks that testify to their historical presence in the region.

After the destruction of the gravestones, an Azeri military based was constructed above the now unmarked Armenian Gravesite.

Armenian Bishop
03-16-2018, 10:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6O0f6Wz7w

Armenians supplied their army with an arsenal of captured Azeri armaments. They whipped everyone that Azerbaijan dredged up in their war effort. Armenia's Karabakh Stronghold whipped the Afghan Mujahideen mercenaries, the Chechens, Turkish Grey Wolves, and everyone else that tried to save the sinking Azeri Titanic. Even Ukrainian Bomber Pilots weren't safe from getting shot out of the sky.

"Porn Master" you yourself conceded that Azerbaijan is pathetic, and got owned by Armenia. Now, I see you thumbing down my posts here; but, you really should thank me for thumbing down your older posts (in this thread), which placed your bet on the wrong horse. I know that you're a better man than that, and I know you know better. Do you really want to put your money on this ass of a donkey?

Odin
03-16-2018, 10:47 PM
Now, I see you thumbing down my posts here; but, you really should thank me for thumbing down your older posts (in this thread), which placed your bet on the wrong horse. I know that you're a better man than that, and I know you know better. Do you really want to put your money on this ass of a donkey?

Why did you thumb me down? What did I do?

Armenian Bishop
07-15-2018, 06:56 PM
Why did you thumb me down? What did I do?
I thumbed it down, because you didn't do your homework properly. You posted a "10 facts about Azerbaijan" video that was full of disinformation and lies. I posted comments and videos in this thread that explain what's wrong with Azerbaijan. Did you even watch any of them?

The Azeri Turk who hosted that was just regurgitating government hate propaganda from his country. He complained about the Khojaly (Xojaly) Massacre, but Azerbaijan's accusations about it have long ago been debunked. Armenians weren't guilty of intentionally massacring those civilians, and they were killed in an area that was still controlled by Azerbaijan's military units. In fact, Azerbaijan's military units probably killed them. It's too complex to explain in detail like this.

I waited a long time to reply to that, because I didn't think you deserved an answer. All you had to do is go through the thread and look at the videos I posted. You probably didn't watch any of them, so don't complain. Anyway, seeing that the offensiveness of the post was unintentional, I realize that it was wrong to thumb it down. I've removed the downvote, but I'm still offended.

Armenian Bishop
07-15-2018, 07:07 PM
"Azerbaijan declares Belarusian-Armenian blogger wanted!"
https://news.am/eng/news/461718.html


Belarussian blogger of Armenian origin Vladislav Mosesov, who visited Azerbaijan recently with a Belarussian passport, said that Azerbaijan declared him wanted, however, he has already left Belarus.

“Yesterday Azerbaijan declared me wanted. I have already left my country, but I cannot say yet where I am going for security reasons. I ask all those countries which consider me as their associate to take actions in connection with my situation. All those followers, who cannot help with anything, please share this video. My life is now under danger. I am followed at any moment, believe me, I know what I am saying. If I do not get in touch after three days, it will mean that something bad happened to me”, the blogger said.

Sealin
07-15-2018, 07:51 PM
What I like the most about Azerbaijani people is that they are talented in music and dance. Really classy. Most of them are artistic. I just like the philosophical side in them.

Armenian Bishop
07-15-2018, 07:59 PM
What I like the most about Azerbaijani people is that they are talented in music and dance. Really classy. Most of them are artistic. I just like the philosophical side in them.

What I like best about Azerbaijanis is that group of people who risk their lives to criticize their corrupt government, many of whom have been serving prison sentences.

Sealin
07-15-2018, 08:11 PM
Also do I like the fact that we see each other as brother countries. The bond between Azerbaijani Turks and the Turks in Turkey is strong. I like it when neighbor countries have a bond and helps each other out when there is need to.

Armenian Bishop
07-16-2018, 09:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZu2zqFE_gI&frags=pl%2Cwn

Yaglakar
07-19-2018, 09:29 AM
Armenian Bishop is old an grumpy faggot who whines 24/7

Pahli
07-19-2018, 09:31 AM
Lol, Azeris are extremely Persianized in their culture, now all of sudden they are super Turkic and anti-Iranian despite the similarities xD

Their nationalists in Iran are worse than any others, encouraged by other Turks and the Baku government to take South Azerbaijan lol.

Kukushka
07-19-2018, 10:56 AM
Lol, Azeris are extremely Persianized in their culture, now all of sudden they are super Turkic and anti-Iranian despite the similarities xD

Their nationalists in Iran are worse than any others, encouraged by other Turks and the Baku government to take South Azerbaijan lol.
True, they are more turk-nationalist then turks :D

Pahli
07-19-2018, 11:07 AM
True, they are more turk-nationalist then turks :D

Its quite cancer tbh

Armenian Bishop
07-19-2018, 11:15 AM
Armenian Bishop is old an grumpy faggot who whines 24/7

So is that all you've got to say? Or did you want to add that I have a big Armenian nose too? You're lame. My hero Cyrano de Bergerac would take you out really easy Yaglakar-Azeri.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpHwm5EFVbY

Babak
07-19-2018, 06:34 PM
That guy I know calls himself Azeri with me. They're synonyms, but Azerbaijani is more commonly heard. I myself prefer Azeri because it's a more irregular name, whereas Azerbaijani is just the adjective based on the name of the country.


In azerbaijan, it matters. In Iran, not so much.

StonyArabia
07-19-2018, 06:48 PM
Another One nation Two states with Turkey. Azeri girls are number 1 in list of foreign girls marrying Turkish guys. A symbol of the alliance forever. Turkic in marriage Turkic to death.

So more Iranid genes are entering Turkey LOL

Dandelion
07-19-2018, 06:48 PM
In azerbaijan, it matters. In Iran, not so much.

Well, that guy I know is an Azeri from Azerbaijan, calling himself Azeri. Could be just one person, but thus far I'm not too convinced it's an offensive name. I neither could see why? Both version of their demonym are derrived from the Iranic Azari people of the past and their language is Turkic with an Iranic substratum. It still doesn't rob them of their identifying as Turkic.

Babak
07-19-2018, 07:10 PM
Well, that guy I know is an Azeri from Azerbaijan, calling himself Azeri. Could be just one person, but thus far I'm not too convinced it's an offensive name. I neither could see why? Both version of their demonym are derrived from the Iranic Azari people of the past and their language is Turkic with an Iranic substratum. It still doesn't rob them of their identifying as Turkic.

Its just a pan turk invention.

Babak
07-19-2018, 07:24 PM
So more Iranid genes are entering Turkey LOL

Lmao pretty much

Böri
07-19-2018, 07:30 PM
Azari was actually Iranic people. Those people aren't Azari. They are Azerbaijani. Azerbaijan is a Turkic transcaucasian secular republic.

Babak
07-19-2018, 07:31 PM
Azari was actually Iranic people. Those people aren't Azari. They are Azerbaijani. Azerbaijan is a Turkic transcaucasian secular republic.

Azeri and azerbaijani are the same exact thing dude and its hilarious that they are genetically closer to persians proper than to azeris from iran lmao

Böri
07-19-2018, 07:37 PM
Azeri and azerbaijani are the same exact thing dude and its hilarious that they are genetically closer to persians proper than to azeris from iran lmao

Nope, folk from Rep. of Azerbaijan score high Siberian which normally Persians lack. Persians should have more S-W Asian and Gedrosian while Azerbaijanis have higher Caucasus too.

Kukushka
07-19-2018, 07:40 PM
Well in iran azeris/azerbaijanis are commonly called as turks . I dont know if there are called as such in azerbaijan as well?

StonyArabia
07-19-2018, 07:50 PM
Nope, folk from Rep. of Azerbaijan score high Siberian which normally Persians lack. Persians should have more S-W Asian and Gedrosian while Azerbaijanis have higher Caucasus too.

Azeris are Iranics and are very close to Kurds. Only the ones from Dagestan are different due to being north caucasian influence

Kivan
07-19-2018, 07:53 PM
Nope, folk from Rep. of Azerbaijan score high Siberian which normally Persians lack. Persians should have more S-W Asian and Gedrosian while Azerbaijanis have higher Caucasus too.

Yes, i have seem lots of photos of Azeris and they have lots of Caucasus phenotypes, such as Mtebids. Persians, especially the Southern ones, are very South Asian influencied.

StonyArabia
07-19-2018, 07:57 PM
Yes, i have seem lots of photos of Azeris and they have lots of Caucasus phenotypes, such as Mtebids. Persians, especially the Southern ones, are very South Asian influencied.

Azeris look like Kurds and are genetically close them. no matter how much you thumb down it does not change the fact. Azeris on average are very like Kurds in genetics. They are also very culturally Persian. The only Turk thing about them is their language. Bori who is Persianphobe does not understand that the Azeri girls marrying Turkish boys are bringing more Persian genes, but Turks are very close to Iranians in the first place.

Babak
07-19-2018, 07:59 PM
Azeri iranian:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.00
2 South_Central_Asian 21.72
3 Near_East 9.94
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.04
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.89
6 European_Early_Farmers 4.67
7 Tungus-Altaic 4.02
8 South_Indian 2.51
9 North_African 2.23
10 South_East_Asian 1.94
11 Arctic 1.63


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azeri_ @ 4.605259
2 Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 5.711572
3 Kurd_North_ @ 6.611252
4 Baku_WGA_ @ 7.442737
5 Kurd_South_ @ 8.181539
6 Kurd_East_ @ 8.398253
7 Kurd_ @ 8.474556
8 Turk_Adana_ @ 9.117300
9 Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 9.871409
10 Turk_Kayseri_ @ 10.036856
11 Turk_ @ 10.086408
12 Georgian_Jew_ @ 11.014503
13 Azeri_Dagestan_ @ 11.263984
14 Kurd_Jew_ @ 12.740886
15 Stalskoe_Kumyk_ @ 13.029605
16 Iranian_ @ 13.510923
17 Iraqi_Mandean_ @ 13.571613
18 Iraqi_Chaldean_ @ 13.578114
19 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 13.647022
20 Kumyk_ @ 13.686460

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri_ +50% Azeri_ @ 4.605259


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd_East_ +25% Nogai_ +25% Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.439470


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + North_Ossetian_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.004521
2 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Kakheti_ + Kurd_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 2.100189
3 Azeri_Dagestan_ + Druze_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 2.102253
4 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + North_Ossetian_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.140171
5 Iranian_Jew_ + Kurd_South_ + Ossetian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.174130
6 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Kakheti_ + Kurd_South_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 2.179386
7 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Ossetian_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.193054
8 Adygei_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.200434
9 Balkar_ + Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.202380
10 Adygei_ + Iranian_Jew_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.208014
11 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + North_Ossetian_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.222226
12 Iraqi_Jew_ + Kurd_ + North_Ossetian_ + Tajik_Afghan_ @ 2.226554
13 Iranian_Jew_ + Kurd_East_ + Ossetian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.238778
14 Kurd_Jew_ + Kurd_South_ + Ossetian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.239868
15 Azeri_ + Kurd_East_ + Nogai_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.243916
16 Kurd_Jew_ + North_Ossetian_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.246371
17 Azeri_Dagestan_ + Druze_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ + Uzbek_Tashkent_ @ 2.252366
18 Kakheti_ + Kurd_South_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 2.254324
19 Chechen_ + Iranian_Jew_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.254552
20 Chechen_ + Jew_Tat_ + Kurd_East_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 2.258187


Republic Azeri:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.6
2 South_Central_Asian 20.31
3 Near_East 10.41
4 European_Early_Farmers 7.32
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.44
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.39
7 North_African 4.36
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.78
9 Austronesian 1.56
10 East_Siberian 1.18
11 Amerindian 1.02
12 South_East_Asian 0.45
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.44
14 Arctic 0.44
15 Khoisan 0.42
16 Australoid 0.42
17 Archaic_Human 0.33
18 Archaic_African 0.12
19 Paleo_Siberian 0.01


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% Kurd ( ) + 45.2% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 3.55
2 73.4% Azeri ( ) + 26.6% Turk_Balikesir ( ) @ 3.75
3 85.3% Azeri ( ) + 14.7% Libyan_Jew ( ) @ 3.75
4 68.5% Azeri ( ) + 31.5% Turk_Aydin ( ) @ 3.75
5 84.4% Azeri ( ) + 15.6% Moroccan_Jew ( ) @ 3.76
6 85.2% Azeri ( ) + 14.8% Maltese ( ) @ 3.85
7 84.7% Azeri ( ) + 15.3% Tunisian_Jew ( ) @ 3.87
8 84.3% Azeri ( ) + 15.7% Croat ( ) @ 3.91
9 84% Azeri ( ) + 16% Montenegrian ( ) @ 3.91
10 84.1% Azeri ( ) + 15.9% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 3.91
11 84.8% Azeri ( ) + 15.2% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 3.92
12 88.5% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) + 11.5% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.92
13 86.4% Azeri ( ) + 13.6% Hungarian ( ) @ 3.92
14 83.9% Azeri ( ) + 16.1% Bosnian ( ) @ 3.92
15 84.2% Azeri ( ) + 15.8% Serb_BH ( ) @ 3.94
16 85.7% Azeri ( ) + 14.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 3.94
17 85.6% Turk_Adana ( ) + 14.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 3.94
18 83.8% Azeri ( ) + 16.2% Croat_BH ( ) @ 3.95
19 83.6% Azeri ( ) + 16.4% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 3.95
20 86.4% Azeri ( ) + 13.6% Slovenian ( ) @ 3.96

Kivan
07-19-2018, 08:05 PM
Azeris look like Kurds and are genetically close them. no matter how much you thumb down it does not change the fact. Azeris on average are very like Kurds in genetics. They are also very culturally Persian. The only Turk thing about them is their language. Bori who is Persianphobe does not understand that the Azeri girls marrying Turkish boys are bringing more Persian genes, but Turks are very close to Iranians in the first place.

No, they are not. They have indeed Persian influence but i see far more overlap with Armenians and other neighbors than with actual Persians. And our closest plot are Caucasus people, as many PCA plots show(this because i'm not talking about Balkan Turks and others).

By the way, you are funny, the major Arab supremacist in this forum. I bet your most wet dream is see Turkey 100% Arabized/turned into an Islamic caliphate and Turks/locals being replaced/outnumbered for Arabs and "Iranics". lol

Hadouken
07-19-2018, 08:38 PM
Azeris look like Kurds and are genetically close them. no matter how much you thumb down it does not change the fact. Azeris on average are very like Kurds in genetics. They are also very culturally Persian. The only Turk thing about them is their language. Bori who is Persianphobe does not understand that the Azeri girls marrying Turkish boys are bringing more Persian genes, but Turks are very close to Iranians in the first place.

the iranian azeris I have seen on videos and pics mostly didnt pass well for kurds . maybe I need to see more of them . the republic azerbaijan as far as I know has many people from east anatolia . they fled there back then if I am not wrong . republic azerbaijanis do have overlap with us but they also often look different

genotype is not phenotype dude . and we are not "identical" either . azeris have a decent amount of east eurasian

btw. many persians look foreign to me as I said . many dont pass as kurds . I also know many iranians in real life too . not sure why you love to lump us together like 2 testicles the whole time . I like them thats another issue but you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to who looks how

Kukushka
07-19-2018, 08:42 PM
the iranian azeris I have seen on videos and pics mostly didnt pass well for kurds . maybe I need to see more of them . the republic azerbaijan as far as I know has many people from east anatolia . they fled there back then if I am not wrong . republic azerbaijanis do have overlap with us but they also often look different

genotype is not phenotype dude . and we are not "identical" either . azeris have a decent amount of east eurasian


btw. many persians look foreign to me as I said . many dont pass as kurds . I also know many iranians in real life too . not sure why you love to lump us together like 2 testicles the whole time . I like them thats another issue but you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to who looks how

True. Kurds often have unique look. And besides many Iranian azeris have slight mongol influence.

Hadouken
07-19-2018, 08:44 PM
True. Kurds often have unique look. And besides many Iranian azeris have slight mongol influence.

not sure what you mean by unique . we overlap mostly with armenians , assyrians , azeris , anatolian turks , georgians (but not as a group) , iranians (rather north/west) . so basically people who live near us ...what a surprise. only some mountain adapted types have a unique look I guess you mean them . also those with jaws that look like 2 coconuts together

Kukushka
07-19-2018, 08:46 PM
not sure what you mean by unique . we overlap mostly with armenians , assyrians , azeris , anatolian turks , georgians (but not as a group) , iranians (rather north/west) . so basically people who live near us ...what a surprise. only some mountain adapted types have a unique look I guess you mean them . also those with jaws that look like 2 coconuts together
I dont think azeris look very similar.

Hadouken
07-19-2018, 08:48 PM
I dont think azeris look very similar.

there was a thread with azerbaijani night club pics . not many passed as kurd . armenians fit a lot better

Babak
07-19-2018, 09:36 PM
I dont think azeris look very similar.

Iranian kurds and iranian azeris look identical, that i can tell you. Republic ones look closer to armenians than anything else tbh

Iranian azeris


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX4zBx2SV_8

Iranian kurds:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjNGPbK-Y2c

StonyArabia
07-19-2018, 10:15 PM
No, they are not. They have indeed Persian influence but i see far more overlap with Armenians and other neighbors than with actual Persians. And our closest plot are Caucasus people, as many PCA plots show(this because i'm not talking about Balkan Turks and others).

By the way, you are funny, the major Arab supremacist in this forum. I bet your most wet dream is see Turkey 100% Arabized/turned into an Islamic caliphate and Turks/locals being replaced/outnumbered for Arabs and "Iranics". lol

Not really, I just say as it is. Most Turks have nothing do with the original Turkic Central Asians. Not to mention that even Caucasus folks are close to Iranians.However are much closer and not mention have a lot of Persian cultural elements. The only thing that makes Turk different from Iranians is that they have some South Eastern European and Central Asian influence genetically.

Turkey even when it was Islamized never Arabized, it was rather Persianized. You should know that young Ottoman children would learn religious traditions from Persian sheikhs/Imams because Persia was still Sunni at the time and they were much closer culturally to them then they were to Arabs and especially Bedouin Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.

Iranics are already part of your Turkey and you share a lot of genes and cultural elements with them.

The Ottomans were not Arabized but rather Persianized.

Arab empires:

The Great Ummyad empire
The Abbassid empire had some Persian elements but was not Persianate
The Ayyubuids Arabized Kurds
The Fatamids
The Cordoba Caliphate
The Egyptian Mamlukes Arabized (Pontic Steppe peoples, Circassians who spoke Kipchak)

Lets look at the Turkic empires :

Seljuks very Persianized in culture and genetics
Timurids very Persianized in culture and genetics
Mughals very Persianized in culture
Black Sheep Turkomans very Persian in culture and genetics
White Sheep Turkomans very Persian culture and genetics
Safavids mixed and yet is very Persian in both culture and genetics
Ottomans very Persianized in culture

Böri
07-20-2018, 09:42 AM
Not really, I just say as it is. Most Turks have nothing do with the original Turkic Central Asians. Not to mention that even Caucasus folks are close to Iranians.However are much closer and not mention have a lot of Persian cultural elements. The only thing that makes Turk different from Iranians is that they have some South Eastern European and Central Asian influence genetically.

Turkey even when it was Islamized never Arabized, it was rather Persianized. You should know that young Ottoman children would learn religious traditions from Persian sheikhs/Imams because Persia was still Sunni at the time and they were much closer culturally to them then they were to Arabs and especially Bedouin Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.

Iranics are already part of your Turkey and you share a lot of genes and cultural elements with them.

The Ottomans were not Arabized but rather Persianized.

Arab empires:

The Great Ummyad empire
The Abbassid empire had some Persian elements but was not Persianate
The Ayyubuids Arabized Kurds
The Fatamids
The Cordoba Caliphate
The Egyptian Mamlukes Arabized (Pontic Steppe peoples, Circassians who spoke Kipchak)

Lets look at the Turkic empires :

Seljuks very Persianized in culture and genetics
Timurids very Persianized in culture and genetics
Mughals very Persianized in culture
Black Sheep Turkomans very Persian in culture and genetics
White Sheep Turkomans very Persian culture and genetics
Safavids mixed and yet is very Persian in both culture and genetics
Ottomans very Persianized in culture

Ottomans used Turkish as official language you obese ISIS sympathizer. Mamluks were nothing Arab, they segregated themselves from Arabs by speaking Turkic; they were Turkic until 1382 then Circassian. Circassians didn't arabize either, they were speaking Kipchak in court as inherited by Kipchaks.
Seljuks came from Khazar empire, they didn't have any Persian genetics just as Akkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu didn't have. They ruled over Iran and had local cultural contact.

StonyArabia
07-20-2018, 10:02 AM
Ottomans used Turkish as official language you obese ISIS sympathizer. Mamluks were nothing Arab, they segregated themselves from Arabs by speaking Turkic; they were Turkic until 1382 then Circassian. Circassians didn't arabize either, they were speaking Kipchak in court as inherited by Kipchaks.
Seljuks came from Khazar empire, they didn't have any Persian genetics just as Akkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu didn't have. They ruled over Iran and had local cultural contact.

Don't be an idiot, the Arabian tribes of western Iraq fought ISIS the hardest. And it's a proxy which Turkey supports. Going to a more serious discussion no they were quite Arabized. They became a patron of Arab culture. Mamelukes have nothing in common with oghuz let alone Anatolian Turks. Nope Seljuks married with Persians. Yeah that's quite funny, because they did the black and white sheep were heavily Persianate and were seen as such, same with the Afshars.

Continue with your delusions of muh Khazars and Mongols rofl

StonyArabia
07-20-2018, 10:12 AM
I like Armenia better than Azerbaijan. I don't like the Safavid and Afshar rule over Iraq it was bloody and neither of the black and white sheep.

Böri
07-20-2018, 10:13 AM
No. You are ISIS sympathiser, the proof is that you think Muslim Brotherhood is too liberal and western, while in reality they are Islamist. Only Isis-minded Wahhabis would think like that.
It’s not your problem how Türks think, stop being shameless and get lost. That’s pathetic. Nobody cares what you like or dislike.

StonyArabia
07-20-2018, 10:23 AM
No. You are ISIS sympathiser, the proof is that you think Muslim Brotherhood is too liberal and western, while in reality they are Islamist. Only Isis-minded Wahhabis would think like that.
It’s not your problem how Türks think, stop being shameless and get lost. That’s pathetic. Nobody cares what you like or dislike.

You are an idiot. Isis is supported by Turkey and neither by the western tribes in Iraq dumbass. My ideology is secular and nationalist not Islamist. The thing that's pathetic and shameful is you deny the mega Iranian influence on your culture and
genetics. Muh Khazars and Mongols. Both had nothing to do with Anatolians lol. Azerbaijan wanted Arab support btw.

Kamal900
07-20-2018, 10:23 AM
No. You are ISIS sympathiser, the proof is that you think Muslim Brotherhood is too liberal and western, while in reality they are Islamist. Only Isis-minded Wahhabis would think like that.
It’s not your problem how Türks think, stop being shameless and get lost. That’s pathetic. Nobody cares what you like or dislike.

Don't invent history then. He never once sympathized with ISIS nor he is a Wahabi. Stop accusing him with those things, Turk. You know very little about history, and your defamation against us would only get you so far. The Muslim brotherhood are as corrupt as Sisi, and really, 7osney Mubarak was better than the other two. Khazars have nothing to do with Turks like yourself, and you're not 100% Turkmen, you ass.