Should Armenians be regarded as Caucasian, Anatolian, or Mesopotamian?

[Sikeliot]

Geographically they are at the intersection of the three.

[Myanthropologies]

Just caucasian, cause they sure as hell aren't Anatolian. Mesopotamians are also very different. I'd say, culturally, the closest people to Armenians are Georgians, Azeris, and Iranians. So, they do lean towards West Asia, but they still are Kavkaz. In plus, Kurds and Anatolians kind of are like South Caucasians in a way.

[Root]

I personally regard them as Caucasians/Kavkaz people with Mesopotamian admix.

[Mingle]

They're arguably more so part of the Iranosphere/Persosphere than the Caucasus, they just don't speak an Iranian language. The most cultural influence they had was from the Parthians and Persians. Also, most Armenian lands prior to the Armenian genocide and other such territory related acquisitions were around where modern day Kurds live.

http://www.kaloustian.eu/ARMENIAN%20HISTORY/Maps/arm_tihran-sm.jpg

Because Armenia was part of the Transcaucasian Federation and politically close to Azerbaijan and Georgia (mostly due to being ex-Soviet states) and the remainder of their historic land is cramped between Azerbaijan and Georgia, they are seen as Caucasian.

They are similar to Assyrians so I guess Mesopotamia of those options.

[Root]

Japheth - Gomer - Togarmah - Haik (first son of Thargamos, inherited Mount Ararat and founded the Armenian nation.)

brothers of Haik

Kartlos (ქართლოსი) - settled in north-east from Ararat, founder of Kartli (Sa'kartvelo) who united other brothers and founded the Georgian nation.
Bardos
Movakos (Movkans)
Lekos - (Lezgic and other native Dagestani peoples)
Heros (Herans) - settled in the eastern part of Ararat
Caucas (Kovkases) - settled beyond the Caucasus Range. Caucas' son Dzurdzuk is said to be the ancestor of modern Chechens
Egros (Egers) - settled between the Black Sea and Likhi Range (Western Georgia)

[Mingle]

One of Hayk's most famous scions, Aram, settled in Eastern Armenia from the Mitanni kingdom (Western Armenia), when Sargon II mentions a king of part of Armenia who bore the (Armenian-Indo-Iranian) name Bagatadi ("Theodore").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayk

Looking at the page above, there is mention of Mesopatamia and Anatolia (historic Armen lands in Turkey) but not of Caucasians.

Armenians claim descent from these people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu

Also, Armenians used to practice Zoroastrianism.

[Melki]

Just caucasian, cause they sure as hell aren't Anatolian. Mesopotamians are also very different. I'd say, culturally, the closest people to Armenians are Georgians, Azeris, and Iranians. So, they do lean towards West Asia, but they still are Kavkaz. In plus, Kurds and Anatolians kind of are like South Caucasians in a way.

Formerly, the Armenian territory was much more extended, and covered an important part of Anatolia. The city of Van in Turkey, fore example, was located at the heart of Western Armenia.
The former Soviet Republic of Armenia is only the northernmost part of the ancient Armenian civilization area.

[Seth MacFarlane]

As you said they are at the intersection of the 3, armenia is in the South Caucasus and up until the genocide they made up a huge part of eastern anatolia ( most diaspora armenians are from eastern turkey ). Mesopotamia isnt just iraq but also kuwait , north east syria , south east turkey , north west iran , ancient armenia also had territory in north west iran and " Armenian Mesopotamia " was in turkey until the ottoman empire in 1639

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Mesopotamia#/media/File%3AMap_of_Historical_Armenia_Britannica.gif

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Map_of_Historical_Armenia_Britannica.gif

And lastly gentically they cluster closest with assyrians ( Mesopotamians) and mizrahi jews ( mizrahi jews were jews freed from Mesopotamia and went to georgia , iran , uzbekistan , Azerbaijan ) and turks/kurds

https://s30.postimg.org/6vy0p0ehd/z5_595.png
https://s16.postimg.org/upyg6vgtx/Ox_Hzq68.jpg

[Armenian Bishop]

Formerly, the Armenian territory was much more extended, and covered an important part of Anatolia. The city of Van in Turkey, fore example, was located at the heart of Western Armenia.
The former Soviet Republic of Armenia is only the northernmost part of the ancient Armenian civilization area.

Yes, that's right, and (as you probably know) the Armenian Highlands extend deeper into the South Caucasus, beyond present day's Republic of Armenia. The Armenian Highlands includes Nakhichevan, and all of Armenia's Karabakh Stronghold, that lie within present day Azerbaijan. It includes a huge area of present day Eastern Turkey, extending through Kars, Erzerum, Bitlis, Muş, Erzincan, and Van, and includes Lake Van. In addition to the Western Armenian Highlands, the historical boundaries of Western Armenia stretched much further, all the way to Adana (aka Cilicia), on the Mediterranean Coastline near Cypress. Small portions of Southwest Georgia (in javakhk territory), and Northwest Iran (to the Northwest shores of Lake Urmia) are also defined as part of the Armenian Highlands. It might be interesting to note that my ancestral town is Muş (aka, Mush, or Moush), located west of Lake Van, in the heartland of Western Armenia.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Armenian-Highland

Armenian Highland, Russian Armyanskoye Nagorye, also spelled Arm’anskoje Nagor’e , mountainous region of western Asia. It lies mainly in Turkey, occupies all of Armenia, and includes southern Georgia, western Azerbaijan, and northwestern Iran. The highland covers almost 154,400 square miles (400,000 square km). The average elevation of the Armenian Highland is 5,000 to 6,500 feet (1,500 to 2,000 metres), but several peaks exceed 14,000 feet (4,000 metres). The highland is a segment of the Mediterranean alpine volcanic zone of folding and has a subtropical continental climate. It is rich in minerals including chromite, gold, and iron.

[catgeorge]

Euro-Persians with a decent amount of R1b type Persian haplos

[Imamudin]

Armenians are North Assyrian and not Caucasian. Only Karabakh Armenians are Kaspid influenced because they have mixed with ancient Caucasus Albanians.

[Melki]

Yes, that's right, and (as you probably know) the Armenian Highlands extend deeper into the South Caucasus, beyond present day's Republic of Armenia. The Armenian Highlands includes Nakhichevan, and all of Armenia's Karabakh Stronghold, that lie within present day Azerbaijan. It includes a huge area of present day Eastern Turkey, extending through Kars, Erzerum, Bitlis, Muş, Erzincan, and Van, and includes Lake Van. In addition to the Western Armenian Highlands, the historical boundaries of Western Armenia stretched much further, all the way to Adana (aka Cilicia), on the Mediterranean Coastline near Cypress. Small portions of Southwest Georgia (in javakhk territory), and Northwest Iran (to the Northwest shores of Lake Urmia) are also defined as part of the Armenian Highlands. It might be interesting to note that my ancestral town is Muş (aka, Mush, or Moush), located west of Lake Van, in the heartland of Western Armenia.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Armenian-Highland
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I visited Van 12 years ago. Gorgeous landscapes. No tourists (tourists never venture east of Cappadocia :D). I'm planning a trip to Armenia and Georgia (and if possible, to Azerbaijan) for this year. Can't wait to be there. :thumb001:

[Armenian Bishop]

Euro-Persians with a decent amount of R1b type Persian haplos

R1b is the most common male haplogroup among people with Armenian Ancestry: R1b1a2a represents the largest haplogroup for Armenians in general. It has been estimated to be 8,000 years old. According to Vince Vizachero who runs the haplogroup R-ht35 Project: “From prior analysis, it appears that R1b1a2a moved north and west into Europe quite rapidly."

https://narinnamkn.wordpress.com/201...menian-people/

[Petros Agapetos]

http://i66.tinypic.com/b5ftd2.jpg

[Petros Agapetos]

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d9o2ua.png

[Petros Agapetos]

I would call historic Armenia as Transcaucasian, South Caucasian, and Anatolian.

[user_]

I don't really know.
Armenian culture is not Caucasus like, it's like Assyrian. But nowadays Armenia is located in Lesser Caucasus mountains, they play huge role in Caucasus life. If they want to be Caucasians, why not.

North Caucasians don't like to call Armenians and Azerbaijanians Caucasian.
I'd say Armenia is culturally Mesopotamian, politically Caucasian.