Why are people so confused on near eastern phenotypes?

[Myanthropologies]

It's like people act like people are gonna look closest to the people on their gedmatch all the time.

- Ashkenazis do not phenotypically resemble south italians the most. They resemble North Italians and Central Europeans the most.
- Iranians do not look closest to Armenians. Like seriously, if they did, then how come Iranians don't commonly look Armeniod? Iranians look closest to Afghans. There's a reason we have an "irano-afghan" race and not an "irano-armenio" race. If you pass in Iran, then you also pass as Afghan Pashtun or Tajik. Although, the three aforementioned groups have significant overlap to some degree. Literally tell any Iranian that Iranians look more like Armenians or the Lebanese than they do like Afghans and they'll give you a weird look.
- Northern Levantines don't look like Sicilians, and they don't look like Arabs either. They just look like Levantines, period. Whenever I see Levantine phenotype threads, people always feel obligated to either say they look "arabid" or "south euro," when they really look like neither and have their own look.
- Georgians look more like Balkanic people than like any near easterners (false). Okay, this has some truth. But actually, it's not ultimately true. Georgians look a lot closer to Turks and Kurds from Turkey than they do like Balkanic people. But besides that, yeah, I'd say they look more balkanic than Middle Eastern.
- Afghans do not look in between Iranians and Pakistanis. I have no idea why someone thinks this anyways. Genetically, Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks aren't even like that either. Genetically, they're in between the Chechen people and Kalash people. Afghans look closest to Iranians. As an afghan pashtun, as someone who literally knows almost 100 Iranians, I can say they look closest to Iranians and Iranians would tell you the same most of the time. Also, Afghanistan is a multiethnic country, which people also seem to forget.
- North Africans always show their SSA ancestry (false ). This is far from the truth. Most coastal Algerians and Tunisians can pass in the Levant easily, and some even look European.

[MinervaItalica]

Sure.

[Sikeliot]

Ashkenazis DO look like southern Italians, or rather the range of phenotypes overlaps (everything from Central European to West Asian). Certainly Sicilians look more like Ashkenazim than heavily Balkanized Greeks.

[Myanthropologies]

Ashkenazis DO look like southern Italians, or rather the range of phenotypes overlaps (everything from Central European to West Asian). Certainly Sicilians look more like Ashkenazim than heavily Balkanized Greeks.

I don't think so. I have seen more west asian phenotypes from Sicilians than I have from Ashkenazis (which is really really weird).

[Sikeliot]

I don't think so. I have seen more west asian phenotypes from Sicilians than I have from Ashkenazis (which is really really weird).

Well genetically they plot together so it could go either way. With that said I do think Ashkenazim look more like Sicilians than Greeks from the mainland so, since there is no Balkan influence in most of Sicily nor the adequate NE European influence to make them look such.

About the Levantine thing: I think you can find Levantine types in Sicily, mostly around Palermo and Agrigento. But I think they resemble Armenians more than Levantines.

About Georgians, I personally do think they look Balkan, rather than Levantine, Assyrian, etc.

[Myanthropologies]

Well genetically they plot together so it could go either way. With that said I do think Ashkenazim look more like Sicilians than Greeks from the mainland so, since there is no Balkan influence in most of Sicily nor the adequate NE European influence to make them look such.

About the Levantine thing: I think you can find Levantine types in Sicily, mostly around Palermo and Agrigento. But I think they resemble Armenians more than Levantines.

About Georgians, I personally do think they look Balkan, rather than Levantine, Assyrian, etc.

Armenians look closer to Levantines than they do to Sicilians, so I don't understand the statement anyways. Sicilians are not West Asians. You resemble other South Italians, Greeks, Aegean Islanders, and even balkanic people 50% of the time more so than any west asian.

[Hadouken]

- Georgians look more like Balkanic people than like any near easterners (false). Okay, this has some truth. But actually, it's not ultimately true. Georgians look a lot closer to Turks and Kurds from Turkey than they do like Balkanic people. But besides that, yeah, I'd say they look more balkanic than Middle Eastern.


we have some overlap with Georgians and a decent amount of people passing for each other but still .... as a group Georgians look more similar to Balkan people than to us .

[Myanthropologies]

we have some overlap with Georgians and a decent amount of people passing for each other but still .... as a group Georgians look more similar to Balkan people than to us .

How come balkan people disagree then? They say that Georgians look more like Anatolians and kurds than they do like them.

[user_]

- Georgians look more like Balkanic people than like any near easterners (false). Okay, this has some truth. But actually, it's not ultimately true. Georgians look a lot closer to Turks and Kurds from Turkey than they do like Balkanic people. But besides that, yeah, I'd say they look more balkanic than Middle Eastern.


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[Hadouken]

How come balkan people disagree then? They say that Georgians look more like Anatolians and kurds than they do like them.

because Georgians are west asians and they might be afraid to seem less european when they admit the overlap with Georgians . dunno . but as a group Georgians look more similar to balkans than to us . however as I said there is overlap between us of course which is natural they are next door to us

[Sikeliot]

Armenians look closer to Levantines than they do to Sicilians, so I don't understand the statement anyways. Sicilians are not West Asians. You resemble other South Italians, Greeks, Aegean Islanders, and even balkanic people 50% of the time more so than any west asian.

Disagree on Sicilians resembling mainland Greeks let alone other Balkanites (who look much too Slavicized). But as far as West Asians go, they fit better with Armenians than Levantines, but Levantine types can be found in some places.

There is a unique "Mediterranean islander" look that is found in southern Italy, Sicily, Crete, etc that has a West Asian orientation but is unique in its own right.

[Myanthropologies]

Disagree on Sicilians resembling mainland Greeks let alone other Balkanites (who look much too Slavicized). But as far as West Asians go, they fit better with Armenians than Levantines, but Levantine types can be found in some places.

There is a unique "Mediterranean islander" look that is found in southern Italy, Sicily, Crete, etc that has a West Asian orientation but is unique in its own right.

You still look closer to mainland Greeks and Albanians 50% of the time. I'd be honest with you too, you no I have no agenda with this. Sicilians look noticeably more euro than anyone in west asia (besides maybe the obvious north caucasians and Georgians), and do not blend in with any west asians as a group better than they do with Greeks. However, I will say that sicilians do bend in phenotypically with all near easterners from Turkey to Afghanistan than they do with British Islanders, Russians, and Scandinavians.

[Sikeliot]

You still look closer to mainland Greeks and Albanians 50% of the time. I'd be honest with you too, you no I have no agenda with this. Sicilians look noticeably more euro than anyone in west asia (besides maybe the obvious north caucasians and Georgians), and do not blend in with any west asians as a group better than they do with Greeks. However, I will say that sicilians do bend in phenotypically with all near easterners from Turkey to Afghanistan than they do with British Islanders and Scandinavians.

They look more West Asian than other Europeans do, with the exception of Cypriots. Therefore, some of their phenotypes will stand out in Albania and Greece, likewise some Albanians and Greeks look too Eastern European/Slavicized (I am posting a thread with examples). With that said, the rest should overlap BUT Balkan Slavs especially Serbs look much too Northeast European and as such, overlap is greater with Armenians and Lebanese than with Serbs.