Which countries in Europe, the Near East, and New World do Georgians pass in?

[Sikeliot]

Excluded from the poll: Turkey, Armenia, and the North Caucasus because they are obviously close.

https://reconsideringrussia.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/kakheti.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/E9HHF8/epa04462993-georgian-people-wearing-traditional-attire-attend-tbilisoba-E9HHF8.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3274122693_65756c5843.jpg
http://cdn1.matadornetwork.com/blogs/1/2016/01/3759048272_f48e16788a_o.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FMJ483/epa01478519-a-red-cross-organization-employee-leads-georgian-people-FMJ483.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/96/44/409644a250d99c5db079f209068618f7.jpg
http://i.piccy.info/i4/f7/5b/db9a1fbe87bfa0dd8f735d34ace3.jpeg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FKEMJP/epa01280847-georgian-people-take-part-in-an-opposition-rally-in-front-FKEMJP.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/99/82/5c/99825c4db29271982fc740748804aa51.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3665354602_e397a7807a.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44904000/jpg/_44904541_40999bf9-4437-46ef-8e10-394713ffb9c7.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/carrying-georgian-and-ukrainian-national-flags-people-take-part-in-picture-id474797541
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/09/xin_5820406100927843150093.jpg
http://holidaysimages.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/georgia-country-people.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/14/15/299CCA1600000578-3123378-image-a-34_1434292255430.jpg
https://jamestown.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/southossetians_wikimediacommons.jpg
http://www.ninakavtaradze.com/photos/georgians.jpg
http://agenda.ge/uploads/news/5671/1500786_580695262021554_1226899915_o.jpg
http://p.motionelements.com/stock-video/people/me8201184-tbilisi-georgia-may-georgian-young-people-dancing-national-hd-a0136.jpg
http://files.prokerala.com/news/photos/imgs/800/tbilisi-may-9-2016-georgian-people-and-veterans-416384.jpg

[Sikeliot]

http://msolotravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/msolotravel-_-Georgia-tour_people-and-tradition-5-1024x683.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/o3i69cxe1/Giorgi_Chanturia.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/58r0womq1/What_Happened_With_Rose_Revolution_In_Georgia.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/ak1c3njex/georgier_leute_portrait.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/6g0db5ngp/12869802.jpg
http://s2.postimg.org/fb5szf1mx/4346_DSCN7827copy.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0911/99/61952bc17e36.jpg
http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0903/d8/41517cfa0b20.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0903/88/2931c6b8d9e8.jpg
http://i015.radikal.ru/1005/6f/1b0baddb5ad3.jpg
http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/1005/a0/433984598fd1.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/hhohnyjh7/5297060705_76e846cdf0_z.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/8swr2sefv/20155befe0463680dc7d8770c9e7ebb6.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/qo6sb8opn/grg.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/m10q9h1cr/Lasha_Sajaia.jpg
http://s19.radikal.ru/i192/1108/dd/9116f6bd4c9e.jpg
http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/1108/42/1704df3ced8b.jpg
http://i058.radikal.ru/1109/e5/68fb0044f8b1.jpg

[Sikeliot]

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg03/69743_4821.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg05/206156_145427932189079_100001656180947_273016_8688 64_n.jpg
http://s3.postimg.org/wf8p3oe4z/XINCH.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg05/208887_145.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg01/gegm/532115_360531967352220_34247191_n.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg01/gegj/551737_460826193951592_1133796918_n.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg01/gegj/228112_466582756709269_939924868_n.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/Kazimir_Dj/geg01/gegj/220601_501396749894536_923969119_o.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/rca03a8hd/486458_346933548750898_1891070731_n.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j359/Antromerak/g.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j359/Antromerak/g2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j359/Antromerak/g28.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j359/Antromerak/g30.jpg
https://www.bradtguides.com/media/wysiwyg/destinations/europe/georgia/georgian_folk_autumn_festival_tbilisi_georgia.jpg

[Sikeliot]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/21/92/e52192ffdccdfed9d75be5bb2c074ae6.jpg
http://eurasia.travel/files/people_1024x768_pgn.jpg
http://www.lessonsofliberty.org/Georgia/070721_Wolf_and_Students.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/6f/8a/db6f8a6ee0a332ff5fc55b6333be579c.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3034/2946695810_bf283efb68_b.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/young-wine-festival-tbilisi-georgian-men-dresses-national-clothes-annual-ethnographic-museum-may-visitors-30938693.jpg
http://mikerendell.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Jai.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120924/mozaheb20120924161621147.jpg
https://northcaucasusland.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/caucasus-people-traditional-costumes-of-georgia-men-eagle.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/georgian-president-mikhail-saakashvili-passes-by-people-before-the-picture-id93112972

[Myanthropologies]

Turkey isn't actually so obvious for all of Georgia. West Georgians don't look like Turks at all, but Eastern Georgians overlap a lot with Turks and Turkish Kurds.

Out of your options, Georgians pass best in the Balkans, Iran, and Afghanistan ( for Iran and Afghanistan, as lighter types most of the time, sometimes as very regular types though). A Georgian girl that went to my high school as a foreign exchange student looked Austrian.

I don't see overlap with Georgians and Sicilians or Levantines at all, which is weird cause Armenians overlap with Sicilians and Levantines.

[Sikeliot]

I don't see overlap with Georgians and Sicilians at all, which is weird cause Armenians overlap with Sicilians.

I don't think Georgians overlap with Sicilians as much as Armenians do because of two factors:

a) Georgians do not have much of a SW Asian component, as Sicilians do which for some reason is also present in Armenia, and
b) Georgians have more of a NE European element than Sicilians do, let alone Armenians who have even less

Armenians and Georgians overlap because of their higher Caucasian component than Sicilians have, but the two factors above might explain.

I also do not think Georgians look Levantine.

[Myanthropologies]

I don't think Georgians overlap with Sicilians as much as Armenians do because of two factors:

a) Georgians do not have much of a SW Asian component, as Sicilians do which for some reason is also present in Armenia, and
b) Georgians have more of a NE European element than Sicilians do, let alone Armenians who have even less

Armenians and Georgians overlap because of their higher Caucasian component than Sicilians have, but the two factors above might explain.

I also do not think Georgians look Levantine.

Sounds like we're very mutual on our views on this topic then.

[Sikeliot]

Sounds like we're very mutual on our views on this topic then.

I wouldn't say *none* of them can pass in Sicily or the Levant but they definitely are distinct from both.

[Myanthropologies]

I wouldn't say *none* of them can pass in Sicily or the Levant but they definitely are distinct from both.

Well yeah, obviously.

[Sikeliot]

Well yeah, obviously.

I see more familiar types for Sicily in these photos than I see in Balkan Slavs, actually, or even in anyone north of the Alps/Pyrenees/Danube, but I think Sicilians overlap not much with any of those.

[Myanthropologies]

I see more familiar types for Sicily in these photos than I see in Balkan Slavs, actually, or even in anyone north of the Alps/Pyrenees/Danube, but I think Sicilians overlap not much with any of those.

I don't think so. Some Romanians look closer to Sicilians than Georgians do (the darker Romanian types).

[Sikeliot]

I don't think so. Some Romanians look closer to Sicilians than Georgians do (the darker Romanian types).

Romania might be the exception. Overall though I think Balkan Slavs and Georgians overlap more than either one does with Sicily.

[user_]

Your pictures not represent Georgian nation, i'm sorry.
You put 3 picture of Saakashvili (former president) who is most weird looking Georgian.
Many people are not Georgians, for example this group is not Georgian, i'm like 100% sure. They are Armenians, or Azerbaijanians.

http://b.pix.ge/m/c8yqk.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Let me represent Georgians.
http://a.pix.ge/r/vc3g8.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/o/siy8z.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://a.pix.ge/d/s6hgc.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://a.pix.ge/u/8nucl.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/n/cpr9k.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://a.pix.ge/h/jji7o.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/n/taoka.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://a.pix.ge/e/07fo1.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/j/bi6ea.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

[Myanthropologies]

You should use nightclub photos with tagged names. There is also a significant Russian minority in Georgia who could contribute as well, to be fair.

[user_]

You should use nightclub photos with tagged names. There is also a significant Russian minority in Georgia who could contribute as well, to be fair.

Not possible. There is less than 1% Russians and Ukrainians, and around 10% Azerbaijanians and Armenians, so if any minority can change Georgian nation, this are not Russians.

My videos are representative for Georgia. I post Georgian school graduating videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ORWr4mGKU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6voL7X8lWTc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWqwY-NkMro

[user_]

Very much representative. Georgian football clubs from different cities. Their names are known and can be checked.

http://b.pix.ge/b/pswc6.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/u/a8ndl.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/i/1hlkb.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://b.pix.ge/x/aw8kq.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

http://a.pix.ge/k/k6b0x.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

[user_]

With names

Budu Zivzivadze
http://b.pix.ge/t/7eifx.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Giorgi Mchedlishvili
http://a.pix.ge/y/tz72l.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Dachi Tsnobiladze
http://a.pix.ge/t/igzuj.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Jaba Markozashvili
http://b.pix.ge/t/fhhrt.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Kakha Meshveliani
http://b.pix.ge/y/b7gbu.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

Lasha Shergelashvili
http://a.pix.ge/z/gwg0m.gif (http://pix.ge/)

Otar Sturua
http://b.pix.ge/p/0qf9l.gif (http://pix.ge/)

Roman Gigineishvili
http://a.pix.ge/i/t71ew.gif (http://pix.ge/)

[Seth MacFarlane]

I don't think Georgians overlap with Sicilians as much as Armenians do because of two factors:

a) Georgians do not have much of a SW Asian component, as Sicilians do which for some reason is also present in Armenia, and
b) Georgians have more of a NE European element than Sicilians do, let alone Armenians who have even less

Armenians and Georgians overlap because of their higher Caucasian component than Sicilians have, but the two factors above might explain.

I also do not think Georgians look Levantine.

Its because on oracles Georgians cluster with north caucasians first while armenians cluster closest with assyrians and mizrahi jews

[Seth MacFarlane]

They overlap mostly with north caucasians , armenians/azeris and balkanites

[Mingle]

Its because on oracles Georgians cluster with north caucasians first while armenians cluster closest with assyrians and mizrahi jews

Do you have any links on Caucasian DNA plots? I'm curious how far apart/how close Azeris, Armens, and Georgians, are from each other and from North Caucasians.

[Not a Cop]

They overlap mostly with north caucasians , armenians/azeris and balkanites

That's bullshit, Georgians, Armenians and Azeris look pretty different even in skin tone. Georgians are almost uniformly light-skinned with minority being medium or dark skinned, while Armenians are roughly 50\50 and Azeris are predominantly dark-skinned, not to mention Turic-related phenotypes which pop-up among Azeris from time to time.

Plus georgians have pretty high degree of light-eyes, maybe about 20% or so, while Armenians and Azeris are very dark-eyed.

[Seth MacFarlane]

That's bullshit, Georgians, Armenians and Azeris look pretty different even in skin tone. Georgians are almost uniformly light-skinned with minority being medium or dark skinned, while Armenians are roughly 50\50 and Azeris are predominantly dark-skinned, not to mention Turic-related phenotypes which pop-up among Azeris from time to time.

Plus georgians have pretty high degree of light-eyes, maybe about 20% or so, while Armenians and Azeris are very dark-eyed.

Woah take it easy , many armenians and azeris are just as light and theres some here that are dark .. Anyway i think that georgians are different looking from armenians and azeris as a whole, im saying that some can pass in armenia and Azerbaijan and the rest north caucacus and balkans

[Mingle]

Woah take it easy , many armenians and azeris are just as light and theres some here that are dark .. Anyway i think that georgians are different looking from armenians and azeris as a whole, im saying that some can pass in armenia and Azerbaijan and the rest north caucacus and balkans

I found this plot that contains Armens and Georgians but not Azeris:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.png

[Mingle]

https://jamestown.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/southossetians_wikimediacommons.jpg

These are Ossetes.

[Myanthropologies]

That's bullshit, Georgians, Armenians and Azeris look pretty different even in skin tone. Georgians are almost uniformly light-skinned with minority being medium or dark skinned, while Armenians are roughly 50\50 and Azeris are predominantly dark-skinned, not to mention Turic-related phenotypes which pop-up among Azeris from time to time.

Plus georgians have pretty high degree of light-eyes, maybe about 20% or so, while Armenians and Azeris are very dark-eyed.

Georgians can be dark....Armenians and other West Asians aren't too darker than them, they just look more "near eastern" shifted.

[user_]

There are 4 main phenotypes in Caucasus.
Pontid in West Georgia, Circassia, Adygeya and other NW Caucasus people.
Mtebid in East Georgia, Osetia, Chechenya, Dagestan.
Armenoid in Armenia, Azerbaijan, minority in Georgia and NC.
Caspid in Azerbaijan and Dagestan.



Most Georgians are pontid, mtebid.
Or pontid +mtebid mix.

[Imamudin]

Woah take it easy , many armenians and azeris are just as light and theres some here that are dark .. Anyway i think that georgians are different looking from armenians and azeris as a whole, im saying that some can pass in armenia and Azerbaijan and the rest north caucacus and balkans

North Caucasus not so much. Georgians are genetically not part of the North Caucasian cluster either.

[Hadouken]

Its because on oracles Georgians cluster with north caucasians first while armenians cluster closest with assyrians and mizrahi jews

no that is not true . wait I will post Georgian gedmatch results in a few minutes

[Hadouken]

Its because on oracles Georgians cluster with north caucasians first while armenians cluster closest with assyrians and mizrahi jews

Georgian -1-

Eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 52.69
2 East_Med 26.24
3 West_Med 9.85
4 Baltic 3.95
5 South_Asian 3.54
6 North_Atlantic 1.97
7 Siberian 0.96
8 Red_Sea 0.65
9 Sub-Saharan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 4.12
2 Georgian 5.27
3 Adygei 12.73
4 Kurdish 13.22
5 Ossetian 13.28
6 North_Ossetian 14.24
7 Balkar 15.12
8 Armenian 15.19
9 Kumyk 15.45
10 Iranian 16.52
11 Kabardin 16.98
12 Azeri 17.29
13 Georgian_Jewish 18.27
14 Chechen 18.32
15 Lezgin 18.48
16 Turkish 20.45
17 Tabassaran 21.33
18 Assyrian 21.93
19 Turkmen 24.12
20 Kurdish_Jewish 25.39




Puntdnal K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 54.27
2 Mediterranean 26.8
3 NE_European 9.1
4 SW_Asian 5.2
5 S_Indian 2.3
6 Siberian 0.78
7 Beringian 0.41
8 W_African 0.38
9 Omo_River 0.33
10 S_African 0.24
11 Oceanian 0.13
12 Wht_Nile_River 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abkhasian 6.06
2 Turk_Istanbul 7.28
3 Azerbaijani 8.98
4 Armenian 9.25
5 North_Ossetian 9.32
6 Kurdish 10.25
7 Balkar 11.23
8 Kumyk 11.53
9 Georgian 11.58
10 Iranian 11.6
11 Turk_Trabzon 11.98
12 Turk_Kayseri 13.21
13 Assyrian 13.56
14 Chechen 14.83
15 Lezgin 15.14
16 Druze 22.09
17 Lebanese 23.57
18 Cypriot 24.69
19 Nogai 25
20 Palestinian 25.33



Eurasia K9


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 40.12
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.61
3 SW_Asian 19.55
4 WHG 9.35
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.44
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.47
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 5.01
2 Abkhasian 5.16
3 Kurd_N 5.79
4 Azeri 6.44
5 Iranian 7.45
6 Azeri_Dagestan 7.76
7 Adygei 8.45
8 Armenian 8.91
9 Kumyk 9.5
10 Kurd_C 10.39
11 Chechen 10.54
12 Georgian_Jew 11.38
13 Turkish 11.41
14 Lezgin 12.69
15 Iranian_Jew 13.16
16 Druze 17.84
17 Iraqi_Jew 17.9
18 Cypriot 18.69
19 Lebanese 19.14
20 Syrian 19.62




Georgian -2-

Eurogenes K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 50.58
2 East_Med 24.1
3 West_Med 8
4 Baltic 7.08
5 Red_Sea 2.89
6 South_Asian 2.85
7 North_Atlantic 2.73
8 Amerindian 1.5
9 Northeast_African 0.13
10 Oceanian 0.09
11 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian 3.87
2 Abhkasian 5.25
3 Adygei 9.23
4 Ossetian 11.2
5 North_Ossetian 11.33
6 Kumyk 11.88
7 Kurdish 12.06
8 Balkar 12.59
9 Kabardin 13.85
10 Chechen 14.61
11 Lezgin 14.8
12 Iranian 15.06
13 Armenian 15.62
14 Azeri 15.69
15 Tabassaran 17.76
16 Georgian_Jewish 17.76
17 Turkish 19.22
18 Assyrian 21.73
19 Turkmen 22.45
20 Kurdish_Jewish 25.1



Puntdnal K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 52.78
2 Mediterranean 26
3 NE_European 10.06
4 SW_Asian 6.91
5 Amerindian 1.27
6 S_African 0.8
7 S_Indian 0.6
8 W_African 0.56
9 Beringian 0.49
10 Oceanian 0.27
11 Siberian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Istanbul 6.89
2 Abkhasian 8.08
3 Azerbaijani 8.26
4 Armenian 8.53
5 North_Ossetian 9.04
6 Kurdish 9.48
7 Balkar 10.34
8 Kumyk 10.68
9 Iranian 10.87
10 Turk_Trabzon 12.04
11 Turk_Kayseri 12.22
12 Assyrian 12.72
13 Georgian 13.71
14 Chechen 13.81
15 Lezgin 14.45
16 Druze 20.88
17 Lebanese 21.96
18 Cypriot 23.78
19 Iraqi_Jew 23.87
20 Palestinian 23.88



Eurasia K9


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 36.68
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 22.85
3 SW_Asian 19.8
4 WHG 10.32
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 7.99
6 Siberian_E_Asian 1.16
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.96
8 W_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Adygei 6.3
2 Kumyk 6.8
3 Azeri 6.88
4 Azeri_Dagestan 7.16
5 Kurd_N 8.2
6 Chechen 8.36
7 Georgian 8.37
8 Abkhasian 8.37
9 Iranian 9.35
10 Turkish 9.37
11 Armenian 10.27
12 Lezgin 11
13 Georgian_Jew 11.9
14 Kurd_C 13.1
15 Iranian_Jew 14.2
16 Druze 17.45
17 Cypriot 17.72
18 Iraqi_Jew 18.02
19 Lebanese 18.19
20 Syrian 18.71



actually it is partially true what you said . it depends

[Seth MacFarlane]

North Caucasus not so much. Georgians are genetically not part of the North Caucasian cluster either.
no that is not true . wait I will post Georgian gedmatch results in a few minutes

Well not exactly your right but abkhasian and adyeghi are top /pretty high

[Odin]

SE Europe.

[aherne]

Black Sea Turks above all, followed by Armenians. In Europe, they would fit decently as Greeks only...

[wvwvw]

Black Sea Turks above all, followed by Armenians. In Europe, they would fit decently as Bulgarians and Romanians...

Fixed.

[Sikeliot]

I think they look more like Balkan Slavs rather than Greek.