Classify two very Med-looking British soap opera actresses

[Tooting Carmen]

I brought them up in one of Sikeliot's Sicilian threads, as they really resemble many of the locals.:D

Martine McCutcheon
https://danieldrummondharvey.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/martine-mccutcheon.jpg

Kym Marsh
http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes//celebrities/2015052225410/kym-marsh-talks-about-split-from-dan-hooper/0-129-656/kym-marsh--d.jpg

[LieDetector]

Descendants of Roman invaders/ Atlanto-Meds

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Sikeliot]

Both of them look more "eastern" than Iberians even, in a Med way. They could pass in southern Italy and Crete.

[Sikeliot]

Descendants of Roman invaders/ Atlanto-Meds

You know full well this is not the case.

[LieDetector]

You know full well this is not the case.

Free CtwentysevenJ!!

[Sikeliot]

Free CtwentysevenJ!!

He's never coming back, no matter how much you ask.

[shahenshah]

Looks more Italian than British.

[Nurzat]

neither looks Mediterranean to me. they have obvious western European / Atlantic facade traits - first one tends more towards Alpine, second one has some NW CroMagnon. it's obvious from the face, cheekbones, lower jaw, eye shape etc they are not Mediterranean (Spain/Italy)

[brennus dux gallorum]

Atlandid subtypes of mediterranean

[Odin]

1. Alpine
2. Atlantid + CM

[Inquizzzitor]

These women are not Meds.

As Eskimo correctly observed, the facial structures on both are NW Euro, or at least Alpine. Neither would pass in Sicily or Crete, come on. Looking Med isn't just all about coloring, you know...

[brennus dux gallorum]

Descendants of Roman invaders/ Atlanto-Meds

Romans, apart from being non-atlantomeds, didn't reach Scotland (considering the Mc)


Both of them look more "eastern" than Iberians even, in a Med way. They could pass in southern Italy and Crete.

There is no type common only in Crete but not in the rest of the country

[Tooting Carmen]

Martine McCutcheon again
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/377283_1.jpg

[Ylla]

^ they both have flat features to be meds, people only look at colouring. Meds usually have sharper features

[Tooting Carmen]

^ they both have flat features to be meds, people only look at colouring. Meds usually have sharper features

Like her you mean? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212390-Classify-Chilean-American-actress-Cote-de-Pablo

[JMack]

They don't look Med to my eyes.

[Seya]

Martine McCutcheon again
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/377283_1.jpg

was she born with dark hair? she looks like a typical british woman with dyed hair. she looks like she's wearing a wig...that dark hair doesn't match her facial features at all.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Neither of them look 'mediterranean' at all... they look British.... even when they're wearing fake tans.

Martine was raised in East London, England, hence her East London accent, but the 'Mc' part of her surname has Scottish origins.

Martine says in the video interview clip (below) that half of her family are mixed-race and that her family lived like 'nomads and gypsies on the run' and lived in hiding with panic-buttons on them from her very abusive father who dangled her 30 feet high over a balcony by her ankles when she was two years old, and beat her mother so badly that her mother wrote a book about the abuse that was turned into a film.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fe5j8b17D0

Her hair is naturally brunette, but she dyes her lashes, brows and hair ebony black, and her skin is naturally fair but she uses fake tan sometimes.

Without fake tan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2FrfrGcXx4

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/21/09/3363FE7000000578-0-image-m-2_1461226624527.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0e/79/d2/0e79d2cb88c0dce55fa1786fa4b865e1.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSm4faKPS56tWYZWuZZV1F6guxs3ZqER e3qvBlPQEGgsXQhadpq
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01566/p_martine-mccutche_1566176c.jpg

[♥ Lily ♥]

was she born with dark hair? she looks like a typical british woman with dyed hair. she looks like she's wearing a wig...that dark hair doesn't match her facial features at all.

It's her real hair but she dyes it black as her hair colour is too homogenous to be her natural tone, (natural hair consists of several different tones in the hair strands) and also she wears fake tan sometimes. Few white people have natural jet black hair.... the darkest is usually a very dark brown.

Martine sometimes uses black eyebrow make-up pencils and powders or lash & brow dyes to match her hair colour, but sometimes she leaves her brows a bit softer and lighter than her hair to give her face a softer look. I've seen images of her with brunette hair tone too.

Sophie Ellis Bextor and gothic Felice Fawn are both English and have black hair (but it's also dyed black) http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?164932-Classify-English-Satanic-Gothic-Doll-Model-Felice-Fawn

http://www.cumonprintedpics.com/download/file.php?id=3575634
http://iwantpix.com/stuff/felice-fawn/felice-fawn-32-990x660.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6695142965_6d84b82f49.jpg
http://data.whicdn.com/images/65406943/large.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y7MSkIDorYg/URZX6QeBnqI/AAAAAAAAAb8/yI4dlu8fLeU/s1600/metal.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0owf7I2R81qc21pfo1_500.gif

With black hair, brunette hair, and blonde hair:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Take_Me_Home_%28Sophie_Ellis-Bextor_single_-_cover_art%29.jpg
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23500000/Sophie-sophie-ellis-bextor-23582264-1920-1440.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-BpF23RzxKE/SRE1GIFNhuI/AAAAAAAANFg/Rctub7g4riA/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Sophie+Ellis+Bextor+-+The+Singles+Collection+(FanMade+Album+Cover).jpg
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/12/590x/Sophie-Ellis-Bextor-509495.jpg
http://i.picasion.com/resize86/0054bd0d11916ff3de5570fee154fd1a.jpg
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/09/08/16/v2-Sophie-Ellis-Bextor-Press.jpg
http://images.junostatic.com/full/CS1790368-02A-BIG.jpg

I used to dye my (naturally ginger) long hair, eyelashes and eyebrows black and then switched to very dark brunette... and my naturally blond English witchy gothic boyfriend still dyes his hair, lashes, brows, moustache, and goatee all jet black and straightens out his curls and makes his shoulder-length hair straight and black, and he colours his nails black too and sometimes wears black lipstick and black eyeliner around his large blue eyes. It contrasts well with his pale skin.

His hair roots always grows through blond. I know lots of goths and rockers who like to use black hair dye as it's such a beautiful colour and it's mysterious like the night. I have an absolute fetish for men with very dark hair and my boyfriend loves dark hair on females. Also my very pale sister dyes her long hair black too.

Skip to 3:07 in the video below to see images of her as a child with light hair. I think she looks beautiful with black hair (my favourite hair colour - along with the darkest of brunette,) even though it's not naturally that dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcDhbRN8Cxs

http://blog-static.hellomagazine.com/martinemccutcheon/files/2015/04/FullSizeRender1.jpg
She's English - but I see Scottish in her features and her features reminds me a lot of some Scottish females I know (just with different hair and eye colour.)

To the OP (Tooting Carmen) - please don't look at people with brunette hair or brown eyes and just assume them as being 'Med'. :no: (Icelandic singer Björk is brunette, for example.... but she doesn't look Med either.)

[SardiniaAtlantis]

^ they both have flat features to be meds, people only look at colouring. Meds usually have sharper features

That's right, the only flat features mess are Graciles, and Berids, these women are not one of us, they don't even know the secret Med password, or handshake, nor do they have access to our exclusive Sicilian night clubs except on Thursday nights, but certainly not VIP.

[barkoo]

1. Alpine, Paleo-Atlantid/Brunn inf.
2. Atlantid

No Med looking.

[Heather Duval]

Her hair is dyed, a lot of British and American girls dye their hair to black specially in the MEDIA.

[Heather Duval]

Lily Allen(British singer) has natural brown hair
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Lily_Allen_-_Cropped.jpg
But dyes to Black
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/20/202586/06_2009/03995c483da7743f_LilyAlice.jpg

[Dick]

Another glorious Tooting Carmen thread along with his sidekick Sikeliot.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Both of them look more "eastern" than Iberians even, in a Med way. They could pass in southern Italy and Crete.

Eastern ?! Are you serious ?

http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/arO/ea1cde664cb4417e967de52c4891a5e9

http://1.darkroom.stylist.co.uk/980/57c59e18a4f6b5f735cdb376b3361981:9169290c98bc2f6de 943b7acafadf225/martine-mccutcheon-2.jpg


https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/kym1.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/rexfeatures_7810367e-e1486315857514.jpg?w=748&h=530&crop=1


They both look very British by the way, with typical facial features of their country and the title of this thread is silly.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Her hair is dyed, a lot of British and American girls dye their hair to black specially in the MEDIA.

Jessica Jane Clements (from England) dies her hair black too:

https://www.artleo.com/pic/201208/1920x1200/artleo.com-31342.jpg

And Bond-movie star Jane Seymour coloured her naturally light hair all dark brown when she played the fortune-teller and mystic 'Solitaire' who is taken as a child and raised by Caribbean Islanders who teach her voodoo and magic... before she is seduced under the spell of Bond and taken away by him in the awesome James Bond movie Live and Let Die.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/80/ae/79/80ae796499b17eaedddef64e96db9908.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/961ccabaa5c64c53a24b62dcd8da115d/jane-seymour-roger-moore-james-bond-live-and-let-die-1973-hehgew.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwNgo3bEg9o

[Zephyrus]

was she born with dark hair? she looks like a typical british woman with dyed hair. she looks like she's wearing a wig...that dark hair doesn't match her facial features at all.My thoughts exactly.
As British as kidney pie.

[Ylla]

That's right, the only flat features mess are Graciles, and Berids, these women are not one of us, they don't even know the secret Med password, or handshake, nor do they have access to our exclusive Sicilian night clubs except on Thursday nights, but certainly not VIP.

You are the ultimate med example :)

[barkoo]

You are the ultimate med example :)

Clearly not, you probably have a distorted view of how true Meds looks like though.
It is about metrical first, and from that point he is already not one.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I don't think either of them would fit as a native amongst Portuguese or other Med people. China has a lot of people with dark hair and brown eyes, but they wouldn't fit in the Med region either because identity is not just about peoples skin, eye, and hair tone.

Kelly Brook, Cheryl Cole, Diane Youdale, Amy Jackson, Russell Brand, David Gandy, Catherine Zeta Jones, Rowan Atkinson, Sean Connery, Orlando Bloom, Andrea Corr all have dark features but they don't look Med either... nor would they fit in China - just cos of their hair, skin, or eye colour. Also, not all Med people have dark eyes and hair anyway... but a blond person from Greece doesn't necessarily make them fit in Sweden, for example, just because of the light hair colour. And I've seen brunette haired Swedes who don't pass in Greece either.

'McCutcheon' is a Scottish surname so she's probably of Celtic descent. The 'Black Irish' don't look Med either and they're from Celtic groups and they also like to have their own identity. Some people can pass in other nations, but I think most Europeans like to have their own ethnic and cultural identity. To put everyone in the same group just because of their hair and eye colour is like taking their cultural and ethnic identity away from them.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzcwNTM4MzctYjQzMi00NTA2LTljYWItNTYzNmE1MTYxN2 RlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMDI2NDg0NQ@@._V1_UY317_CR16,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Sean_Connery_1964.png/170px-Sean_Connery_1964.png
https://images-production.global.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/posts/image/42110/sean-connery.jpg

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crowd+of+people+in+portugal&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji_4vFiLnUAhXSZVAKHSu7DlYQ_AUIBigB&biw=1260&bih=647#imgrc=4sDWT1B-2oC_cM:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36781&d=1377567530
https://img.rt.com/files/news/1e/35/60/00/portugal-main.si.jpg

[Enflamme]

I do not know how you know that these two actresses are very "Mediterranean" without having taken any measurements, using a stirrup, of their faces, skull, etc.

If you base yourself on pigmentation to indicate that they are very "Mediterranean", I could also tell you that according to some anthropologists, the Alpine type is characterized by intermediate pigmentation (dark or mixed); If a person has measurements close to those of the Alpine type but with brown eyes and brown hair, he is certainly Alpine and not Mediterranean...


If not, Ben Barnes, for example, is a person you would consider to be "totally Mediterranean", i guess ? Yet this does not change the fact that, in my opinion, he could pass as a native of England, Even of certain provinces of "France".
http://www.fanphobia.net/uploads/actors/2304/Ben-Barnes-in-Seventh-Son-2013.jpg




Anyway, again: it is impossible to classify a person without taking the measurements of the person with the help of a stirrup!


The photos can change a lot of things, like (sometimes even the morphology):

1. The facial features according to the lens of the camera, the zoom you make (because it is sometimes mandatory to do so: photographers usually do not take a picture of a face at a close distance, but rather at A few meters from the face, that is to say 3/4 meters, sometimes more, and they zoom then to have a better rendering);

2. Pigmentation: the color of skin you get on a photo taken by flash does not sometimes transcribe your true color of skin. In addition to the fact that certain types of lights (yellow light, for example) can give a more "peculiar" skin complexion;

3. The color of the eyes and hair: taking a photo in the sun is, in my opinion, more advisable to perfectly transcribe, in your picture, your true color of hair and eyes. On the other hand, it takes a camera where the colors are neither "pale" nor too "dark", so a good camera (low-end cameras could distort the color).

Etc.

So buy a stirrup for know your measurements and know your type.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes I know Mediterranean refers to facial features as well as colouring. Colin Firth, Benedict Garrett, George Osborne, Jamie Roberts, Mike Phillips etc. are all dark-haired and dark-eyed but look very British Isles and I don't think would pass that well in Iberia, Italy or Greece at all. Nevertheless, I still maintain these two women do (more so at least).

[JMack]

[/IMG]Bla, Bla, Bla

Sean Connery could easily be Portuguese.

[Tooting Carmen]

And here is a distinctly Mediterranean woman (more specifically Iberian type): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212390-Classify-Chilean-American-actress-Cote-de-Pablo

[♥ Lily ♥]

nothing... can't type

No, I wouldn't confuse his identity. He's Scottish and British and is proud of his own identity.

Dickhead get your eyesight tested.

[JMack]

No, I wouldn't confuse his identity. He's Scottish and British and is proud of his own identity.

Dickhead get your eyesight tested.

So keep dreaming he would be seen as foreigner if he walks around in Portugal or Sardinia.

''Muh Anglo bluud''.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

You are the ultimate med example :)

:fdgd:

[Tooting Carmen]

Thread closed.