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Loki
10-23-2010, 08:43 PM
China to Search for Elusive 'Bigfoot' (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/18/china-search-elusive-bigfoot/)

Published October 18, 2010

North America has its 'Bigfoot' and China has its 'Wild Man.'

A group of Chinese scientists are on the hunt for the Yeren, the Chinese equivalent of our Bigfoot. Scientists and international researchers refer to the Yeren as "Wild Man" and are on a renewed quest to find him.

Thirty years ago, China's Academy of Science sent three teams of researchers looking for the mysterious creature. Those teams turned up surprising results: hair, excrement, footprints, and a possible 'Wild Man' sleeping nest. Alas, those findings weren't conclusive so they are at it again.

This time around the members of the Hubei Wild Man Research Association are hoping to collect donations to help catch the legendary creature. They need $1.5 million to kick off the project.

This research is not without its merits. Over the years people have reported 400 sightings of a reddish hair ape-like man that looks a lot like an Orangutan but stands nearly 7ft tall. Nicholas Redfern, one of the world's leading cryptozoologists, thinks this newest expedition in China is worthwhile because of the fossil record.

"A lot of monster stories can be traced back to myth and folk lore. What people don't know is that in this instance we actually have the fossil record of a large ape-like creature that lived in that area over 300,000 years ago," Redfern told FoxNews.com.

In fact, primatologists have jaw bones, teeth and other bones from a creature found in that area known as Gigantopithecus that would've measured nearly 9ft tall (but probably hunched like an ape).

Redfern has been involved in countless research expeditions and they've all had one thing in common: lack of funds.

"It'd be great if we could have a team that could go out there for a year," he told FoxNews.com. "The chances of going into the forest for one week and stumbling across something are very slim. It's like the people who go to Loch Ness for a day or two hoping to see the monster; it just doesn't happen."

So even if the Hubei Wild Man Research Association raises enough money for a prolonged expedition, is it possible this creature still roams the forests of Asia?

"Conventional science and zoology tells us that Gigantopithecus has long been extinct, but very often science gets it wrong. The final word isn't always the final word," Redfern said.

Vasconcelos
10-23-2010, 08:49 PM
Yes, spend money on useless crap.

Moonbird
10-23-2010, 09:08 PM
Yes, spend money on useless crap.

Yeah but it would be more fun to take part in that research than to go to Mars.

Cato
10-23-2010, 10:09 PM
Yes, spend money on useless crap.

The various cryptozoological legends from around the world are too many to be a mere coincidence (i.e. yeti, skunk ape, sasquatch, jersey devil, etc.).

Unless they're all tall, hairy, and maddened examples of h. sapiens. Aye? Or nay?

Osweo
10-23-2010, 10:11 PM
A group of Chinese scientists are on the hunt for the Yeren, the Chinese equivalent of our Bigfoot. Scientists and international researchers refer to the Yeren as "Wild Man" and are on a renewed quest to find him.
Is it the Alma, as the creature is known in the Russosphere? :p
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203439&postcount=10

Ah... Seems a rather different place though, in the middle of China Proper, not Mongol regions;


the Hubei Wild Man Research Association
http://www2.dijon.inra.fr/mychintec/Target_Regions/Hubei.JPG



"A lot of monster stories can be traced back to myth and folk lore. What people don't know is that in this instance we actually have the fossil record of a large ape-like creature that lived in that area over 300,000 years ago,"
Well, they know they were around then, but how recently they survived is another matter.

I'm curious as to how long folk memory could preserve the image of the ape, though... :strokebeard: Imagine they went extinct in your grandad's lifetime, and you heard his anecdotes, some way back in the Palaeolithic... You'd tell your own grandkids about it, for sure. ... How much would Chinese Whispers distort it after a few tens of millennia? ;)

:chin: Nah, I reckon it's hopeless; we're probably just dealing with the ghosts of gigantopitheci. :cool:

Wyn
10-23-2010, 10:20 PM
The various cryptozoological legends from around the world are too many to be a mere coincidence (i.e. yeti, skunk ape, sasquatch, jersey devil, etc.).

I don't see why. Yeti's aren't exactly related to Bigfoot. Yeti according to Wikipedia for all intents and purposes actually refers to a man-bear (as opposed to an man-ape), being a compound of words meaning "rocky place" and "bear".

The probability is that they are just made up tales of monstrous human-like creatures, no?

Cato
10-23-2010, 10:37 PM
I don't see why. Yeti's aren't exactly related to Bigfoot. Yeti according to Wikipedia for all intents and purposes actually refers to a man-bear (as opposed to an man-ape), being a compound of words meaning "rocky place" and "bear".

The probability is that they are just made up tales of monstrous human-like creatures, no?

My knowledge of these creatures predates my first encounter w/Wikipedia. :)

Wyn
10-23-2010, 10:51 PM
My knowledge of these creatures predates my first encounter w/Wikipedia. :)

Cool.

But I was talking about the etymology of the word Yeti and what implications that has. How do Himalayan tales of a man-bear and Northern American tales of a man-ape prove anything? You didn't really address the point I was making.

Also, since there isn't real proof that they exist, your "knowledge" of "these creatures" (or would-be creatures) doesn't go anywhere.

Loki
10-24-2010, 01:38 PM
Hubei Province has a population of 59 million. A population density ten times that of Washington State, USA. Therefore I reckon it is probably far more likely to find a Bigfoot in Washington State, than a Yeren in Hubei Province ... :icon_ask:

Demographic sources: 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubei), 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(U.S._state))

Osweo
10-24-2010, 05:59 PM
Hubei Province has a population of 59 million. A population density ten times that of Washington State, USA. Therefore I reckon it is probably far more likely to find a Bigfoot in Washington State, than a Yeren in Hubei Province ... :icon_ask:

Demographic sources: 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubei), 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(U.S._state))

Hehe! But! I read that Sichuan (before modern infrastructural development) was almost cut off from the rest of China by the mountains, apart from a few small and dangerous roads over them. The first Han Emperor supposedly made use of this, starting out as governor of the province. THat means that the western limits of Hubei must be pretty fearsomely wooded and craggy... Who knows! ;)

Loki
10-24-2010, 06:22 PM
Hehe! But! I read that Sichuan (before modern infrastructural development) was almost cut off from the rest of China by the mountains, apart from a few small and dangerous roads over them. The first Han Emperor supposedly made use of this, starting out as governor of the province. THat means that the western limits of Hubei must be pretty fearsomely wooded and craggy... Who knows! ;)

I'm tempted to explore this with wonderful Google Earth a little more. ;)

Speaking of Sichuan - I'm going to a Sichuan restaurant in the coming week with friends. :hungry: (not personally fond of Chinese food, but this one is quite special)

Loki
10-24-2010, 06:25 PM
Isn't it slightly more possible to find the allegedly extinct South China Tiger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Tiger) in this wilderness? :lightbul:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Tiger_map.jpg/783px-Tiger_map.jpg

Loki
10-24-2010, 06:44 PM
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