Classify Sicilian rugby player

[Tacitus]

Giovanni Licata, regarded as one of best players on Italy's U20 team (and possible heir to Sergio Parisse at number 8).

http://i.imgur.com/A2KC5CF.jpg

Second from left:
http://i.imgur.com/MzMrE5O.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/20dhbAn.jpg

[safinator]

He looks like a Dinarid - Bruenn blend but since he's Sicilian i will throw also some Armenoid just to make things check.

[RN97]

slightly reduced UP

[Sikeliot]

Can pass as Greek. "Balkan Borreby" and Pontid.

[RN97]

Can pass as Greek. "Balkan Borreby" and Pontid.

What Siclian can't pass as Greek dude?
This classification business is hilarious as well, lol. If someone said he was Iberian it would probably have been borreby + gracile med. If someone said he was he was Bosnian it would probably be something like balkan borreby+ dinaric.
He is mostly upper paleolithic survivor with some slight neolithic farmer admixture of any sort. It's clear this man doesn't look Sicilian, Spanish or Greek. He fits in best somewhere in the British isles, probably as a Irishman.

[Sikeliot]

What Siclian can't pass as Greek dude?

Not sure your point. I think a lot of them don't pass (mostly the Jewish looking types like Teresa Mannino). This guy looks more Polish than Irish.

[MysteriousWays]

Agree with RN97. Not typical Sicilian, Spanish, or Greek. Passes more typical in France and Central Europe. Hard to truly classify imo.

[Sikeliot]

Agree with RN97. Not typical Sicilian, Spanish, or Greek. Passes more typical in UK, France, maybe Benelux imo. Hard to truly classify imo.

He doesn't look western. He would pass better in Eastern Europe.

[MysteriousWays]

He doesn't look western. He would pass better in Eastern Europe.

Just changed the quote.

[Sikeliot]

I know people who look like this and they are usually Polish or Czech. Anyway he does look like some lighter Greek types and probably could fit in Serbia also.

[nafz]

Second from left:
http://i.imgur.com/MzMrE5O.jpg?1



Licata and the red haired guy (who is he?) next to him surely can pass as Irish. They look neither Polish nor Greek to me.

[RN97]

Not sure your point. I think a lot of them don't pass (mostly the Jewish looking types like Teresa Mannino). This guy looks more Polish than Irish.

lol, that's BS. Sicilians have probably the lowest amount of ANE in Europe along with Iberians and Basques, why TF would he look Polish? He looks Irish. He'd pass for a Pole, but this type is more common in Ireland.
Please show me examples these supposed "Jewish" looking Sicilians that would never pass as Greeks. Greeks and Sicilians are closer genetically than western Norwegians and Germans (Including northern Germans).

[The Blade]

Balkan Borreby doesn't exist.
This man, however, is Brunn.

[MysteriousWays]

lol, that's BS. Sicilians have probably the lowest amount of ANE in Europe along with Iberians and Basques, why TF would he look Polish? He looks Irish. He'd pass for a Pole, but this type is more common in Ireland.
Please show me examples these supposed "Jewish" looking Sicilians that would never pass as Greeks. Greeks and Sicilians are closer genetically than western Norwegians and Germans (Including northern Germans).

Most Ashkenazim who look Sicilian can also pass as Greek imo. But there are some who can pass as neither imo as well.

[DarknessWin]

He pass perfect in North Greece ,
he have balkanic look

[Sikeliot]

Most Ashkenazim who look Sicilian can also pass as Greek imo.

I don't agree with this. There are some Sicilians who look like Jews who cannot pass as Greek very well.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks and Sicilians are closer genetically than western Norwegians and Germans (Including northern Germans).

No fucking way is this true. Greeks have nearly 10% more North Euro than Sicilians -- there is no comparable difference between Germans and Norwegians.

[RN97]

No fucking way is this true. Greeks have nearly 10% more North Euro than Sicilians -- there is no comparable difference between Germans and Norwegians.

What calculator/ measurement are you using?
While Greeks are on average around 10% ANE according to Eurogenes, south Italians are around 8%.
Sicilians are also slightly more near eastern and have less WHG on the Eurogenes spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml


What are the differences between Norwegians and Germans? lol, have you even seen them in groups? The difference is easily noticeable. On the same Eurogenes calc. Norwegians score 1.5% more ANE, 7% less near eastern and around 5,5 more WHG.
It all depends on the region, but a lot Sicilians and Greeks are way more alike than a lot of German/ Norwegian groups. Western Norwegians and southern or even eastern Germans are actually quite distant from each other. Where do you get the idea that Norwegians and Germans are so alike, while not Greeks and Sicilians?
http://i.imgur.com/lg03pBO.png

[Ülev]

judging on his back of the head, and skull features but not on his "look"/"appearance" I have different "results"
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/headformations.jpg

[Enflamme]

Agree with RN97. Not typical Sicilian, Spanish, or Greek. Passes more typical in France and Central Europe. Hard to truly classify imo.

First, it depends on the provinces; everyone does not have the same phenotype according province like Gascony or Languedoc or Alsace or Savoy, and so on.

Secondly: in some provinces in the north of France, certain phenotypes are more "Flemish" and this guy does not resemble a Flemish.

[Tacitus]

Licata and the red haired guy (who is he?) next to him surely can pass as Irish. They look neither Polish nor Greek to me.

He's Italian too, but not Sicilian.


lol, that's BS. Sicilians have probably the lowest amount of ANE in Europe along with Iberians and Basques, why TF would he look Polish? He looks Irish. He'd pass for a Pole, but this type is more common in Ireland.
Please show me examples these supposed "Jewish" looking Sicilians that would never pass as Greeks. Greeks and Sicilians are closer genetically than western Norwegians and Germans (Including northern Germans).

I don't think he looks particularly Irish though (nor Polish nor Greek for that matter). IMO he has a pan-Italian look, maybe more shifted towards northern Italy though.

This I think is a NW-Euro looking Sicilian:
http://i.imgur.com/dP3YstC.jpg

[MysteriousWays]

First, it depends on the provinces; everyone does not have the same phenotype according province like Gascony or Languedoc or Alsace or Savoy, and so on.

Secondly: in some provinces in the north of France, certain phenotypes are more "Flemish" and this guy does not resemble a Flemish.

I did not mean to imply all of France, but in some parts, yes. I agree he does not resemble Flemish.

[averagedude]

Agree with RN97. Not typical Sicilian, Spanish, or Greek. Passes more typical in France and Central Europe. Hard to truly classify imo.

Agreed.

[Sikeliot]

No matter what he looks, he would still come up on any PCA plot as halfway between northern Italians and Levantines.

[Grace O'Malley]

Giovanni Licata, regarded as one of best players on Italy's U20 team (and possible heir to Sergio Parisse at number 8).

http://i.imgur.com/A2KC5CF.jpg

Second from left:
http://i.imgur.com/MzMrE5O.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/20dhbAn.jpg

I do think this guy can fit in Ireland. Not sure why people think he wouldn't?

Just quickly got some pics of Munster rugby players randomly picked.

http://cms10.sotic.net/rdimages/munster/OShea_Darren_headshot_content.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/munster/22/270x290/101169.jpg
http://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2013/munster/22/270x290/20053.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2006/munster/22/270x290/8744.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2008/munster/22/270x290/3901.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2011/munster/22/270x290/4161.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2011/munster/22/270x290/512.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2009/munster/22/270x290/20055.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/munster/22/270x290/33300.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/705795232617603072/8VNqEA9v.jpg
https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2016/munster/22/270x290/88084.jpg

Don't you think he would fit in that team as an Irishman?

[Scipio Africanus]

IMO he has a pan-Italian look

Agree

[Sikeliot]

He probably could pass as Irish but it would not be my first guess. Moreover, he would still come up genetically halfway between Spain and Lebanon, like almost all Sicilians do.

[FilhoV]

Borreby

[Odin]

Brünn.

[Newsboy]

He can pass as Irish

And genotype =/= phenotype

[Erronkari]

Looks CM (pobably Balkan)+Pontid/North Pontid

[Decius]

UP Type that is Med influenced.