Indus Valley Civilization Y-DNA haplogroups

[Peterski]

They had Y-DNA haplogroups L-M20 and R2, no any R1 was found, as expected:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2017/02/rumors-leaks-thread.html

[Milo]

[Dravidianness Intensifies]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/800px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lvVZ6C97yUo/SqpTSFbIAVI/AAAAAAAAFlI/UkIXluPHUgk/w1200-h630-p-k-nu/prehistory+of+indian+y+chrom+-+3.jpg






I'm not sure about David's comments over there though

[Peterski]

I'm not sure about David's comments over there though

Check also their discussion below David's post. Chad Rohlfsen mentioned R2 (apart from L-M20).

[Milo]

Check also their discussion below David's post. Chad Rohlfsen mentioned R2 (apart from L-M20).that is what i'm talking about. not about R2, but about their autosomal


and a lot of it just seems like baseless rumours.

[XenophobicPrussian]

LOL at the Hindi fuckers in every Eurogenes comment section still holding onto the wishful thinking that their R1a is local. :icon_lol:

PIE homeland was solved in 2015 and has kept being reinforced. There's no more debate here. Their R2 y-dna isn't local either(it's older in the region but still not local), but an ANE/Amerindian haplogroup that killed off the local Basal Eurasian Iranian G1/E/J males.

[Lucas]

Nice destructon of Indian dreams:)

[Milo]

@Litvin I think you completely misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about R1a part. I know that PIE originating in India thing is baseless and logically impossible


I was talking about their expected autosomal results.

and see this

Over at Anthrogenica, there's now two members who say they've heard from people associated with the Rakhigarhi investigation that the Rakhigarhi aDNA samples were overwhelmingly L-M20 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20).

02-03-2017, 07:35 AM #379
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So I don't know if this has been discussed, but I heard from somebody who knows an archeologist at the Rakhigarhi site.
They are going to release a paper later in the year and 80-90% of the samples were y-HG L-M20.

I will inquire for more details. I can't verify the authenticity of the man's claims.


The following was in response,

Yesterday, 02:54 AM #442
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I've heard the same.


(Just remembered. Earlier at anthrogenica I had come across a discussion where Generalissimo was indicated to be Davidski. That would explain the subject of today's blog post here.)

Khanabadoshi's choice of expression has got me confused. Eurogenes had mentioned 12 ancient samples were genotyped from the Rakhigarhi site. Neither 80% nor 90% thereof produce very round figures, at 9.6 to 10.8 ancient persons. Does it imply the remaining 10-20% samples were female, so that all ancient males were L-M20. Or does it mean that oddly all of the samples are exclusively male, with the remaining 1-2 ancient people being some other Y haplogroup? (Since Chad Rohlfsen has said L and R2 above, though it's not clear if the R2 is meant predictively or based on a rumour or leak. Razib Khan had predicted H and L a couple of years back.)

[Ülev]

L-M27
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/L%20y-dna/L-M27_zpsd9912utu.gif
L-M20
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/L%20y-dna/L-M20_zps8dvl80tt.gif
L1c-M357
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/L%20y-dna/L1c-M357_zpsiyabg63o.gif
L1b-M317(L2)
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp6/gothorum1/L%20y-dna/L1b-M317L2_zpsdumhjab0.gif

[Lucas]

^^ The red dots mean some local L places?
There are some western Balkan, Caucasus, Russia and Portugal concentrations...

[Ülev]

^^ The red dots mean some local L places?
There are some western Balkan, Caucasus, Russia and Portugal concentrations...

I just checked my firefox history, I copied it from this thread: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5126247/15/

[XenophobicPrussian]

^^ The red dots mean some local L places?
There are some western Balkan, Caucasus, Russia and Portugal concentrations...
Probably Scythians. How they got to Portugal is a mystery though.

[Lucas]

Maybe Alans? they were in Iberia with Swebians and Vandals.

[johen]

- R1a-z93 started from Altai related with okunevo-afanasievo horse riding/chariot culture.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118467-The-Sayan-Archaeological-Complex

- It is strange that Johannes Krause's map seems like R1a spread in India from IVC
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cLOANsm3nb4/V_meb5xfGII/AAAAAAAAE-U/TLcFYlZDwP0y01aWZTgsF3DhtGFyaE2MgCLcB/s712/Krause_IE_map.png

- looks like R2 people brought ANE culture so that the IVC is so similar to Mesoamerica civilization. Moreover, korean and japanese are so similar to dravidian language. I think it is also ANE's connection.

- Is there any IVC artefact looking like those people? see the big eyes. American Indian has stereotype Almond eyes.

Okunevo, original purebred of ANE Malta.
http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Tisul-Okunevo-figurine/inside_figurine_left.jpg

shu culture(2,000bc) in China
http://www.chinatourguide.com/china_photos/chengdu/attractions/Chengdu_Sanxingdui_Museum_bowl.jpg

5,000bc Manchu
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U53YXlVeSG0/TrJvUWfZQkI/AAAAAAAAH2A/cBmUFdG4414/s1600/e962_1.jpg

How about this Harappa artefact?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qpnr4w-iIR4/TYX2ixhHNlI/AAAAAAAABVY/e52RbeBzgz8/s1600/indusmask.jpg

--> like Göbekli Tepe culture 9,000bc when R1b-v88 passed the region:
Göbekli Tepe Shamans and their Cosmic Symbols


Some researchers like Andrew Collins also mention the possible shamanism in Göbekli Tepe with regard to astronomy and cosmology. He approaches the subject in terms of pole star belief which we know from shamanism. Pole star is the creation point of all the universe, according to shamans. Today in Asia, Turkish, Mongolian and Tungus shamans still believe that the sky-god Tengri Ülgen ascends the throne on the pole star, Polaris.
In my opinion, Göbekli Tepe was not only the ritual center of shamans, but also the initiation center of pupil shamans. When Pillar-2 is examined closely, we clearly see bended legs of the crane. On this basis, Schmidt explains that the body of this bird may represent the human being who transforms into the crane form. Afterwards, Schmidt suggests that this phenomenon is related to the shamanism concept.
Power animals are known as the protector souls of the shaman. In the eyes of shamans, all animals are the elements of shamanic practice. The soul protects the shaman from diseases and malignancies. The shaman who gains that soul no longer cures the illnesses and prophesizes. Power animals are an “alter ego” of the shaman. Shamans imitate his or her power animal and coalesce with them during the ritual. Shamans ascend to the sky – and vice versa on land - with power animals, as they are fellow travelers.
Siberian shamans have power animals like the bear, wolf, rabbit and owl; Yakut shamans have mostly bull, eagle and bear. The forenamed animals are quite similar to the animals found carved on Göbekli Tepe pillars.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Pillar-2.jpg

[johen]

Check also their discussion below David's post. Chad Rohlfsen mentioned R2 (apart from L-M20).


Davidski said...
You'll be in distress when the ancient DNA from South Asia is published. Expect no R1a in Harappa but a lot of ASI
Indian people are mixed with ANI and ASI. Davidski means that ASI people have creative genes, doesn't he? As far as I know, so many tamil people are now in silicon valley.

[Rethel]

They had Y-DNA haplogroups L-M20 and R2, no any R1 was found, as expected:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2017/02/rumors-leaks-thread.html

These are speculations, but L of course should
be, also others, becasue this society was very
divergent. D, O, J, H should be there too.

[Rethel]

How they got to Portugal is a mystery though.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dc/62/38/dc62389d416fe466fd88d3c29c31f8c6.gif

Btw, maybe you are not aware yet, but
Portugal had colonies in north west India.

It is the time for Canada to
start teach history in schools.

[Rethel]

[Dravidianness Intensifies]

Neither L, neither R2 is Dravidian per se.

[Grab the Gauge]

5,000bc Manchu
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U53YXlVeSG0/TrJvUWfZQkI/AAAAAAAAH2A/cBmUFdG4414/s1600/e962_1.jpg

This is the M. Bison phenotype, a.k.a the Horsebowyer phenotype, a.k.a the Dictator phenotype. Be careful if you're walking around in big wide open grassfields on a sunny day, this guy will likely show up and stick a spear through you.


http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/121177/1674282-sfa3_m_bison1.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/kUHdLM0.jpg?1

https://accessgenealogycom-39b9.kxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/mtchief.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6DoHhIF.jpg?1

http://www.nativi.altervista.org/bread-apsaroke.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuUi6XH9z6g

[MagnusAurelius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_..._of_South_Asia


What about Haplogroup H? I thought they were most associated with Dravidians, Haplogroup O seems to be the highest among actual indigenous Indians.


So it is concluded the Indus Valley Civilization was all Haplogroup L and R2? Haplogroup R2 comes from the same root, Haplogroup R itself so how can it be that the lowest Castes/Dravidians who are highly admixed people since they are around 30-50% ANI (Ancestraal North Indian) ancestrally and a large number of their population has R2. The essential reason for this could very well be that the Indian Caucasoids who were non-Indo European speakers spread R2 aas the males mixed with the indigenous peoples of India there for bringing the Dravidian Race into existence which started the Indus Valley Civilization, the Caucasoids brought the Indigenous people Civlization. Look at the actual Indigenous primitives of India today, they are not developed at all, I think it is obvious that modern Dravidians are the result of Non-Indo European speaking Caucasoids breeding/mixing with the primitive indigenous population.


But is it R2a? R2A supposedly comes from central asia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R2 This is highly significant for Tamil Brahmins who look Caucasoid (most of them) and have very unique origins.


https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-or...Tamil-Brahmins


I believe there was a non-Indo European speaking population residing in India for a very long time since pre-historic times, these people effectively brought civilization to the primitive indigenous people and mixed with them a lott.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(Y-DNA) How was no Haplogroup H found? I used to think this Haaplogroup had non-Caucasoid indigenous Indian origins but it's ancestor comes from central asia and there are some subclades of this group that has a small presence in Europe so there is no way these could have been indigenous Indians.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_LT Haplogroup L is also of Caucasoid origin but one must not consistently draw contrasts between Physical Anthropology and Genetics, in some cases that falls into being Pseudo Science.


Haplogroup C and O are the earliest people on the Indian Sub continent and are associated with the Aboriginal non-Caucasoid indigenous population who branched off from the Australoid race. The introduction of all these Y-DNA haplogroups who original have descendants in Cental Asia/Eurasia were the migrating Caucasoids who effectively mixed with these primitives and gave them Civilization.

[Rethel]

Any news?

[weirstrass]

LOL at the Hindi fuckers in every Eurogenes comment section still holding onto the wishful thinking that their R1a is local. :icon_lol:

PIE homeland was solved in 2015 and has kept being reinforced. There's no more debate here. Their R2 y-dna isn't local either(it's older in the region but still not local), but an ANE/Amerindian haplogroup that killed off the local Basal Eurasian Iranian G1/E/J males.

lol at dumb ass White trash mutts like you and this filthy Polak European trash obsessing over Indians on a Euro-centric forum

if i saw you in person i would tell my uncle or cousin to re-arrange your filthy white trash ass so fast you'd wsh you were never born

[Rethel]

Some news? :confused:

[Lucas]

i don't know:)

[Nilab]

@Litvin I think you completely misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about R1a part. I know that PIE originating in India thing is baseless and logically impossible


I was talking about their expected autosomal results.

They are likely going to be mostly Iran_Neolithic with some minor Onge and closest to modern day Brahui and Baloch. Iran_Neolithic too was closest to the Brahui and Baloch.