Half-Sicilian, Half-Pontic Greek ADNA Results

[Leto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YtS-vLyuDk
[Europe 56%]

Italy/Greece 55%
European Jewish (Trace Region) 1%

[West Asia 44%]

Caucasus 26%
Middle East 18%

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians themselves usually get 75% Europe, 25% West Asian on there if that is any indication, with the West Asian being more Middle Eastern rather than Caucasian.

[Bobby Martnen]

Sicilians themselves usually get 75% Europe, 25% West Asian on there if that is any indication, with the West Asian being more Middle Eastern rather than Caucasian.

Sicilians seem to score about 15% MENA on 23andme, I wonder why it's higher on ancestryDNA. (i.e. I'm curious to see what the reference population for Italy/Greece is)

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians seem to score about 15% MENA on 23andme, I wonder why it's higher on ancestryDNA. (i.e. I'm curious to see what the reference population for Italy/Greece is)


I am unsure why. Probably due to who comprises the Italian/Greek sample. It must be less MENA shifted than 23andme's Italian cluster is, giving them on Ancestry DNA more excess MENA.

[Hudayar]

I expected Caucasian to be higher.

[Sikeliot]

What surprises me is, he looks neither Pontic nor Sicilian.

[Lavrentis]

What surprises me is, he looks neither Pontic nor Sicilian.

He looks like some dark Pontians that pop up once in a while, I don't know if he is common in Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

He looks like some dark Pontians that pop up once in a while, I don't know if he is common in Sicily.

I don't know what the fuck he looks other than that his style is really hideous BUT he looks neither Sicilian nor Pontic to me personally.

[Bobby Martnen]

I am unsure why. Probably due to who comprises the Italian/Greek sample. It must be less MENA shifted than 23andme's Italian cluster is, giving them on Ancestry DNA more excess MENA.

If all Italians are MENA shifted, then why does AncestryDNA show any West Asian for them, given that their test is supposed to go back to 500 years ago, long after the MENA was mixed into Italian?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if the weird style/cosmetic things he does distort his actual phenotype to some extent.

[Sikeliot]

If all Italians are MENA shifted, then why does AncestryDNA show any West Asian for them, given that their test is supposed to go back to 500 years ago, long after the MENA was mixed into Italian?

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if the weird style/cosmetic things he does distort his actual phenotype to some extent.

I don't know why.

[Sp_loa]

Jesus he is more West Asian than I'm...
And I'm jewish, I mean my origins should be from the middle east.
I wonder where is it coming from, usually Sicilians or greeks are not that MENA.

[Bobby Martnen]

Jesus he is more West Asian than I'm...
And I'm jewish, I mean my origins should be from the middle east.
I wonder where is it coming from, usually Sicilians or greeks are not that MENA.

Pontic Greeks are a mix of ethnic Greeks with local Caucasian/Anatolian peoples, and score higher MENA than most Greeks from the Balkans and Ionia

[Lavrentis]

Jesus he is more West Asian than I'm...
And I'm jewish, I mean my origins should be from the middle east.
I wonder where is it coming from, usually Sicilians or greeks are not that MENA.

He is not Greek, he is Anatolian 'Greek'. Anatolian 'Greeks' are Greek-speaking West Asians. They were linguistically Greekified during the Hellenistic and Byzantine eras. They were later sent to Greece via a population exchange with Turkey in 1923. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

[Hudayar]

maybe the calculator is shit?

[Sp_loa]

Pontic Greeks are a mix of ethnic Greeks with local Caucasian/Anatolian peoples, and score higher MENA than most Greeks from the Balkans and Ionia

That makes sense. But I'm still shocked that even I'm less west asian (21% combined Middle east+Caucasus).

[Sp_loa]

He is not Greek, he is Anatolian 'Greek'. Anatolian 'Greeks' are Greek-speaking West Asians. They were linguistically Greekified during the Hellenistic and Byzantine eras. They were later sent to Greece via a population exchange with Turkey in 1923. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

Ok, got it. Thanks.

[Sikeliot]

Jesus he is more West Asian than I'm...
And I'm jewish, I mean my origins should be from the middle east.
I wonder where is it coming from, usually Sicilians or greeks are not that MENA.

Pontians have more MENA than Sicilians, and Sicilians have more than Greeks from Greece.

[Bobby Martnen]

Pontians have more MENA than Sicilians, and Sicilians have more than Greeks from Greece.

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

[Lavrentis]

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

Native Greek islanders are not different from mainlanders. There have been a lot of migrations from Anatolian Greeks to Greek islands though.

And you really think that peninsular south Italians are more MENA than Sicilians? First of all, peninsular south Italians are the closest relatives of the Greeks.

[Sp_loa]

Pontians have more MENA than Sicilians, and Sicilians have more than Greeks from Greece.

Thats cool. the Southern European people are kind of diverse .
Actually I have a lot of DNA from all over Italy and some DNA from the Balkans (I think Greece-Bulgaria).
I wonder where all of this DNA is coming from because my family lived in Spain for 1500 years and not in Italy. The greek part might be from my paternal side, because in inquisition time they escaped to Thesaloniki , but I have too much greek ancestry, and it can't explain all of it.
The Italian side is a complete mystery- I know jews first arrived to Spain through Italy, but it is still wired. My great-grandmother surname was Gino/Zino and I understood it is an Italian surname (did Italians converted to judaism?).
I guess I'm a complete mystery lol.

[Sp_loa]

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

Most of my DNA tests suggest that I'm 60-65% Southern European(Italian&Greek-Bulgarian&Spanish), 20-24%Middle eastern&Anatolian and 16% Berber. So I guess I'm not that MENA as most jews.

But I guess my family is an exception because we are really very mixed. Most jews have more MENA than I am, and Less berber.

[Percivalle]

maybe the calculator is shit?

Most likely.

[Sikeliot]

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN


No, you're actually wrong because different parts of Sicily, Aegean islands, and southern Italy widely differ.

It's something like this:

Cyprus/Pontic
Sephardim
Calabria
Dodecanese
Sicily except southeast, and Crete
Ashkenazim
Campania
Cyclades and North Aegean
Apulia and southeast Sicily
Ionian islands
Abruzzo and Molise
Mainland Greeks

It jumps around a lot, it is not simple like you made it.

[Leto]

He is not Greek, he is Anatolian 'Greek'. Anatolian 'Greeks' are Greek-speaking West Asians. They were linguistically Greekified during the Hellenistic and Byzantine eras. They were later sent to Greece via a population exchange with Turkey in 1923. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
I'm pretty sure all of those exchanged people assimilated completely within a few generations.

[Tauromachos]

What surprises me is, he looks neither Pontic nor Sicilian.

What does he look?

[Tauromachos]

He looks like some dark Pontians that pop up once in a while, I don't know if he is common in Sicily.

Pop up?
From where? How often?
After each rain? http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/b9fea0268882433cb43079c3ac7ef58e/horsetail-acker-schachtelhalm-ak5wyj.jpg

[Lavrentis]

I'm pretty sure all of those exchanged people assimilated completely within a few generations.

"Assimilate completely" means that your culture is the same with the culture of the people that supposedly assimilated you, and that's not the case. These people have different customs from native Greeks.

[Leto]

"Assimilate completely" means that your culture is the same with the culture of the people that supposedly assimilated you, and that's not the case. These people have different customs than native Greeks.
To this day? It's been almost a century since then (3-4 generations). After all, they spoke Greek and were Orthodox Christians.

[Lavrentis]

To this day? It's been almost a century since then (3-4 generations). After all, they spoke Greek and were Orthodox Christians.

They brought other customs here, other types of music and other types of food too. These components are a part of them.

And speaking Greek and being Orthodox doesn't make you Greek. South Italians are more Greek than them.

[Leto]

They brought other customs here, other types of music and other types of food too. These components are a part of them.

And speaking Greek and being Orthodox doesn't make you Greek. South Italians are more Greek than them.
I think in the past Greeks didn't think like you. Culture and language mattered the most. You see, the Pontians were accepted as full-fledged Greeks, not just as some foreign refugees.

[Lavrentis]

I think in the past Greeks didn't think like you.

I don't think different from them. I simply underline the difference between someone who is native in Greece and someone who is a Greek-speaking foreigner. Greece was the lingua franca of the Middle East for centuries, are you telling me that all these people in the Middle East back then were Greek?


Culture and language mattered the most.

And that's why the Greek-speaking Anatolians are not Greek. Their culture is not Greek, but Anatolian.


You see, the Pontians were accepted as full-fledged Greeks, not just as some foreign refugees.

You are very ignorant. When they arrived here, they were called 'Turkish sperms', or simply 'Turks', they were lynched, they generally faced discrimination. Most people know that.

[Longobarda]

Thats cool. the Southern European people are kind of diverse .
Actually I have a lot of DNA from all over Italy and some DNA from the Balkans (I think Greece-Bulgaria).
I wonder where all of this DNA is coming from because my family lived in Spain for 1500 years and not in Italy. The greek part might be from my paternal side, because in inquisition time they escaped to Thesaloniki , but I have too much greek ancestry, and it can't explain all of it.
The Italian side is a complete mystery- I know jews first arrived to Spain through Italy, but it is still wired. My great-grandmother surname was Gino/Zino and I understood it is an Italian surname (did Italians converted to judaism?).
I guess I'm a complete mystery lol.

Apparently it is an italian surname nevertheless I've never heard those surnames. But I found them, there are only 75 "Gino" in Italy, most in Turin. Turin has a jewish community. The son-in-law of Gianni Agnelli whose name is Alain Elkann is a french jew and his father was the grand Rabbi of Turin. And there are 81 "Zino" in Italy, between Liguria and Piemonte as well. Are you sure that they are jewish surnames?

[Longobarda]

No, you're actually wrong because different parts of Sicily, Aegean islands, and southern Italy widely differ.

It's something like this:

Cyprus/Pontic
Sephardim
Calabria
Dodecanese
Sicily except southeast, and Crete
Ashkenazim
Campania
Cyclades and North Aegean
Apulia and southeast Sicily
Ionian islands
Abruzzo and Molise
Mainland Greeks

It jumps around a lot, it is not simple like you made it.

I am really surprised not to find in the list Spain and Portugal. Infact the sephardim were not all expelled by those countries. Many of them were obliged to convert to christianism (maybe the richest, who knows) and many other of them chose to convert not to loose all their goods. In secret many of them followed up practicing their religion and by the way many kept their original surnames but most of them were obliged to change their surnames and adopt christian surnames. So that how it is possible that in those countries (specially Spain) the Jewish clade is non-existant? Something is going wrong with DNA.

[Longobarda]

Question. Was this very charming man pontic or greek?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/831983706990587904/QE7jWV2H_400x400.jpg

Maybe not the classical greek beauty, but absolutely charming

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/dc/23/a7dc237e114097abe564deeeb52d474d.jpg

[Lavrentis]

Question. Was this very charming man pontic or greek?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/831983706990587904/QE7jWV2H_400x400.jpg

He was Anatolian Greek

[Voskos]

Question. Was this very charming man pontic or greek?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/831983706990587904/QE7jWV2H_400x400.jpg

Maybe not the classical greek beauty, but absolutely charming

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/dc/23/a7dc237e114097abe564deeeb52d474d.jpg

He was a Greek from Smyrna.

[BalkanTurk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YtS-vLyuDk
[Europe 56%]

Italy/Greece 55%
European Jewish (Trace Region) 1%

[West Asia 44%]

Caucasus 26%
Middle East 18%Oh wow, I am Turkish and more European than him. My results are 78% European of which 44% South Europe, 27% Europe East, 3% European Jewish, 2% Scandinavian, <1% Iberian, <1% British and <1% Irish, 16% West Asian which is entirely Caucasus, 5% Asia which is 4% Central Asia and <1% East Asia, and finally <1% Melanesian.

I noticed that a large part of Turks' "West Asian" is actually also Central Asian. See, I've seen results of Uzbeks and Turkmen that took these tests and they generally score more West Asia than Central Asia. The same applies to other Central Asian Turks but they score below 50%. It is still significant however.

A friend of mine is half Uzbek and half Armenian and he scored only 25% Central Asian.

In addition, GEDmatch tells me I could be like 13-20% Turkmen, Nogay, Tatar or Uzbek, which is pretty much in line with the amount of Asian ancestry I have according to Ancestry (16 + 4 + <1 = ~20%). That's why these DNA tests are really bad, they're faulty af.

I remember this dude from Izmir that scored 12% Central Asia, but after uploading his raw DNA to GEDmatch he turned out to be 30-40% similar to Turkmen, Uzbeks and others.

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[BalkanTurk]

Forgot to mention that my genetic communities are "Greece, Turkey and Albania" and "Northeast Italy, Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina"

But these genetic communities actually represent many other peoples. Greece, Turkey and Albania subconsciously includes ancestry from ancient west Anatolian peoples, Thracians and Illyrians. Some people from republic of Macedonia also scored it, so yeah.

The other one is basically just South Slavic, which was its name but they changed it. Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians etc. also score that classification.

I'm a Turk from Greece, Macedonia and I recently found out Kosovo too so it makes sense I have these genetic communities. I am also part Anatolian Turkish ofcourse since my ancestors were resettled in the Balkan after the Ottoman conquests so that could be another reason I scored "Greece, Turkey and Albania".

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[Tauromachos]

Question. Was this very charming man pontic or greek?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/831983706990587904/QE7jWV2H_400x400.jpg

Maybe not the classical greek beauty, but absolutely charming

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/dc/23/a7dc237e114097abe564deeeb52d474d.jpg

He was Greek from Smyrna.

[wvwvw]

I don't think different from them. I simply underline the difference between someone who is native in Greece and someone who is a Greek-speaking foreigner. Greece was the lingua franca of the Middle East for centuries, are you telling me that all these people in the Middle East back then were Greek?

And that's why the Greek-speaking Anatolians are not Greek. Their culture is not Greek, but Anatolian.

Asia Minor Greeks had the same descend as the rest of Greeks and how could they not when Asia Minor had been uninterruptly a part of Greece for millenia of years. The whole western Asia Minor was as Greek as Peloponnese and Crete. It was not Hellenized, it had been Greek territory since Minoan times.

If Crete had failed to become free, and was still part of Turkey today you'd too be a "refugee".

The Greek communities of the Middle east were never the majority of the population and have always been under foreign rule, especially after the Islamic conquests where most of them were wiped out or assimilated into Muslims precicely because they were a minority.

In Hellenistic times they were known by their tribal names and they lived in their own quarters of the city. The Greeks there knew exactly who their parents and grandparents were back to 40 or more generations. The entire system was tribal. Greeks were Greeks, Syrians were Syrians, Jews were Jews. Mixed marriages were extremely rare.

Although the Greek language was the linqua franca of the known world, they worshipped their Gods by their own names and spoke their native languages.

In short, you speak about things you know nothing about. The culture of Asia Minor Greeks was 100% Greek you clown. I saw you, cliaming in another thread that Asia Minor Greek cuisine was not Greek, how ludicrous is that. Every single dish in the Greek cusine existed Byzantine in Byzantium and exists also in other parts of the Balkans. Perhaps Asia Minor Greeks brought it there too? Clown!!

[DarknessWin]

What surprises me is, he looks neither Pontic nor Sicilian.

He look Lebanese as DNA test say

[Sikeliot]

He look Lebanese as DNA test say

He doesn't look Lebanese either.

He looks Pakistani.

[DarknessWin]

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
SICILIANS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
PONTIC GREEKS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
GREEK ISLANDERS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

[Sikeliot]

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
SICILIANS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN



Neither one of you has it. It would be this:

Pontic
Cypriot
Sephardim
Sicilians/Calabrese/Dodecanese
Ashkenazim
All other Aegean islands and other southern Italians
Mainland Greeks

[DarknessWin]

Neither one of you has it. It would be this:

Pontic
Cypriot
Sephardim
Sicilians/Calabrese/Dodecanese
Ashkenazim
All other Aegean islands and other southern Italians
Mainland Greeks

Half Pontic its like Russians or even northern so no you are wrong

Pontic Greeks like them :

http://www.pontos-news.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_full/public/article/2016-07/cover_michalidis.jpg?itok=oN6Oaf68

https://i0.wp.com/www.hit-channel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/%CE%A7%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%A7%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B7%CF%82-Xristos-Xolidis-2017.jpg?fit=1200%2C613&ssl=1

Then we have very Georgian looking types and other Anatolid types (hellenized turks IMO)
which score more east than sicilians

[BalkanTurk]

Asia Minor Greeks had the same descend as the rest of Greeks and how could they not when Asia Minor had been uninterruptly a part of Greece for millenia of years. The whole western Asia Minor was as Greek as Peloponnese and Crete. It was not Hellenized, it had been Greek territory since Minoan times.

If Crete had failed to become free, and was still part of Turkey today you'd too be a "refugee".

The Greek communities of the Middle east were never the majority of the population and have always been under foreign rule, especially after the Islamic conquests where most of them were wiped out or assimilated into Muslims precicely because they were a minority.

In Hellenistic times they were known by their tribal names and they lived in their own quarters of the city. The Greeks there knew exactly who their parents and grandparents were back to 40 or more generations. The entire system was tribal. Greeks were Greeks, Syrians were Syrians, Jews were Jews. Mixed marriages were extremely rare.

Although the Greek language was the linqua franca of the known world, they worshipped their Gods by their own names and spoke their native languages.

In short, you speak about things you know nothing about. The culture of Asia Minor Greeks was 100% Greek you clown. I saw you, cliaming in another thread that Asia Minor Greek cuisine was not Greek, how ludicrous is that. Every single dish in the Greek cusine existed Byzantine in Byzantium and exists also in other parts of the Balkans. Perhaps Asia Minor Greeks brought it there too? Clown!!

So that's why this Stefan scored 55% Italy Greece which is higher than that of most Pontic Greeks because he is half Sicilian and Sicilians score more Italy/Greece than Greeks?

West Asia Minor had not been Greek since Minoan times. The western coast of Anatolia was merely colonized during the classical period just like the rest of the coasts of Anatolia, and genetic studies show these colonizers were outnumbered by indigenous peoples. Even Byzantine and Trapezuntian authors called the empire of Trebizond no more than a Lazic border state and Byzantine emperors called the sovereigns "King of the Laziks". Lazes were hellenized under Greek rule, Pontic Greeks are mostly non-Greek and the same applies to other Anatolian Greeks.

West Anatolia had its own indigenous peoples and they were merely hellenized. Perhaps you'd also like to read about what happened to the Iranic, Syriac and Anatolian Leucosyrians of Anatolia. Hint : hellenized under Justinian I's rule. Perhaps that explains why Anatolian Greeks are largely West Asian.

[Sikeliot]

So that's why this Stefan scored 55% Italy Greece which is higher than that of most Pontic Greeks because he is half Sicilian and Sicilians score more Italy/Greece than Greeks?

They don't. Average Sicilian on there is 70% or so Italian-Greek and the rest Middle Eastern and North African. Most Greeks score some Eastern European and Caucasus in addition to Italy/Greece, but Pontians do not.

[BalkanTurk]

They don't. Average Sicilian on there is 70% or so Italian-Greek and the rest Middle Eastern and North African. Most Greeks score some Eastern European and Caucasus in addition to Italy/Greece, but Pontians do not.Are you sure? My mom's cousin lives close to us and her husband is Sicilian and half Calabrian. He scored 87% Italy/Greece. I've also seen some youtube videos of Sicilians' results.

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[Sikeliot]

Are you sure? My mom's cousin lives close to us and her husband is Sicilian and half Calabrian. He scored 87% Italy/Greece. I've also seen some youtube videos of Sicilians' results.

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Let's see them then?

I would love to know why Turkish posters here have a vicious agenda against Greeks. But don't spread misinformation about MY ethnic group in the process.

[BalkanTurk]

Let's see them then?

I would love to know why Turkish posters here have a vicious agenda against Greeks. But don't spread misinformation about MY ethnic group in the process.

Lol vicious agenda against Greeks? What did I say that could be anti-Greek? I only stated facts. A Turk with an anti-Greek agenda would never say mainland Greeks are largely descended from ancient Greeks. I just said the rest of the Greeks have major admixture from other peoples, that's it. And I could care less about Sicilians, I just happen to have seen some DNA test videos of you and that's it. Stop being such a dramaqueen.



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[Sikeliot]

Lol vicious agenda against Greeks? What did I say that could be anti-Greek? I only stated facts. A Turk with an anti-Greek agenda would never say mainland Greeks are largely descended from ancient Greeks. I just said the rest of the Greeks have major admixture from other peoples, that's it. And I could care less about Sicilians, I just happen to have seen some DNA test videos of you and that's it. Stop being such a dramaqueen.


Mainland Greeks have admixture from people of North/Eastern Europe, Anatolian Greeks from native Anatolians and Caucasus people. Why is this a surprise?

[BalkanTurk]

Mainland Greeks have admixture from people of North/Eastern Europe, Anatolian Greeks from native Anatolians and Caucasus people. Why is this a surprise?It's not. I just responded to this hellenocentrist that thinks every single civilization and peoples that existed or lived in the Mediterranean were Greek and said Anatolian Greeks are descended from just Greek colonizers. As a response you tripped saying I am involving your people in a "vicious agenda against Greeks" lol dude you can literally go to hashtag AncestryDNA on instagram and see results of Sicilians yourself.

[Sikeliot]

It's not. I just responded to this hellenocentrist that thinks every single civilization and peoples that existed or lived in the Mediterranean were Greek and said Anatolian Greeks are descended from just Greek colonizers. As a response you tripped saying I am involving your people in a "vicious agenda against Greeks" lol dude you can literally go to hashtag AncestryDNA on instagram and see results of Sicilians yourself.

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I have seen them. Typically 70% Europe, 30% Middle East/Caucasus is typical.

[BalkanTurk]

I have seen them. Typically 70% Europe, 30% Middle East/Caucasus is typical.I could be wrong ofcourse, but around 80% is what I've observed. I remember this guy whose mom was full Sicilian and turned out to be 79% or more Italy/Greece. His dad's Iraqi, perhaps you've already seen his video on YouTube.

[Sikeliot]

I could be wrong ofcourse, but around 80% is what I've observed. I remember this guy whose mom was full Sicilian and turned out to be 79% or more Italy/Greece. His dad's Iraqi, perhaps you've already seen his video on YouTube.


It's not that high. Sicilians are not that European.

[Freeroostah]

I think it goes this way, please correct me if I'm wrong

MOST MENA

SEPHARDIC JEWS
ASHKENAZIC JEWS
PONTIC GREEKS
GREEK ISLANDERS
PENINSULAR SOUTH ITALIANS
SICILIANS
BALKAN GREEKS

MOST EUROPEAN

Pontic people surpass the Central European looking Ashkenazis on West Asia % with ease

[WillyWonka]

Asia Minor Greeks had the same descend as the rest of Greeks and how could they not when Asia Minor had been uninterruptly a part of Greece for millenia of years. The whole western Asia Minor was as Greek as Peloponnese and Crete. It was not Hellenized, it had been Greek territory since Minoan times.

If Crete had failed to become free, and was still part of Turkey today you'd too be a "refugee".

The Greek communities of the Middle east were never the majority of the population and have always been under foreign rule, especially after the Islamic conquests where most of them were wiped out or assimilated into Muslims precicely because they were a minority.

In Hellenistic times they were known by their tribal names and they lived in their own quarters of the city. The Greeks there knew exactly who their parents and grandparents were back to 40 or more generations. The entire system was tribal. Greeks were Greeks, Syrians were Syrians, Jews were Jews. Mixed marriages were extremely rare.

Although the Greek language was the linqua franca of the known world, they worshipped their Gods by their own names and spoke their native languages.

In short, you speak about things you know nothing about. The culture of Asia Minor Greeks was 100% Greek you clown. I saw you, cliaming in another thread that Asia Minor Greek cuisine was not Greek, how ludicrous is that. Every single dish in the Greek cusine existed Byzantine in Byzantium and exists also in other parts of the Balkans. Perhaps Asia Minor Greeks brought it there too? Clown!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAYP4irSyQ That's a good example of what you've said, from a linguistic perspective though.