There is no such thing as race in terms of biology and genetics...

[fl1994]

Human beings are composed of DNA and 99.9 percent of every human being is the same. It means that the concept of races is just a social construct. Not a biological one.

Today the vast majority of those involved in research on human variation would agree that biological races do not exist among humans. Among those who study the subject, who use and accept modern scientific techniques and logic, this scientific fact is as valid and true as the fact that the earth is round and revolves around the sun.

http://europe.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123?rm=eu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3sguRWYK0

[Kriptc06]

hey there mate, welcome to the forums

[Unome]

Races exist and some races simply will not mate with others unless forced to against their will (rape) or offered severe bonuses (welfare checks, social privilege) to do so.

[Pahli]

Human beings are composed of DNA and 99.9 percent of every human being is the same. It means that the concept of races is just a social construct. Not a biological one.

Today the vast majority of those involved in research on human variation would agree that biological races do not exist among humans. Among those who study the subject, who use and accept modern scientific techniques and logic, this scientific fact is as valid and true as the fact that the earth is round and revolves around the sun.

http://europe.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123?rm=eu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3sguRWYK0

Indo-Brachid subhuman

[Peterski]

99.9 percent of every human being is the same.

This is almost true, but the thing is that this 0.1% is still several million base pairs.

And did you know that human DNA is also around 60% similar to banana DNA ???

We are all 60% identical as bananas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/comparing-genetic-similarity-between-humans-and-other-things-2016-5?IR=T

https://static.businessinsider.com/image/572b8dbd9105841c008c10b5-/bi-graphics_percentage-of-dna-humans-share-with-other-things_cat.gif

https://static.businessinsider.com/image/572b8d0091058423008c0f22-/bi-graphics_percentage_mouse.gif

https://static.businessinsider.com/image/572b91d152bcd05b008c11a6-/bi-graphics_percentage-of-dna-humans-share-with-other-things_banana.gif

[Kriptc06]

He is this Indian member who already got banned multiple times.

oh :(

[fl1994]

Ypur words do not match with any science. Races exist but they are just social constructs.

[Unome]

Social constructs do not exist.

There is no such thing as a social construct.

[fl1994]

You are an idiot.
The ones who call the others as sub-human.

[fl1994]

Social constructs do not exist.

There is no such thing as a social construct.

You have proven that you are not intelligent enough to understand what I mean.

[fl1994]

This is a lie spread by some media. In fact there is no scientific consensus:

https://s32.postimg.org/dx80o8byt/Survey_race.png

From:

https://openpsych.net/paper/7

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Fuerst,%20John.%20"The%20nature%20of%20race."%20Open%20Behavioral%20Genetics,%20June,%202015.pd f

Anthropology is just inferior to biology and genetics. It can never overcome positive sciences.

[fl1994]

I never called anyone sub-human.

I did not say it to you. The person that I am referring to knows himself.

[Unome]

Race is not merely defined by who can or cannot mate with each-other, but mostly by who will not mate with each-other. And this fact is clearer and more obvious than any liberal science or propaganda. Some groups of humans, races, will not mate with others.

Here are the hard facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#cite_not e-census10-13


White Husband 50,410,000 97.7% 168,000 0.3% 529,000 1.0% 487,000 0.9%
Black Husband 390,000 8.6% 4,072,000 89.2% 39,000 0.9% 66,000 1.3%
Asian Husband 219,000 7.0% 9,000 0.3% 2,855,000 91.8% 28,000 0.9%
Other Husband 488,000 44.0% 18,000 1.6% 37,000 3.4% 568,000 51.0%

Based on these figures:

White Americans were statistically the least likely to wed interracially, though in absolute terms they were involved in interracial marriages more than any other racial group due to their demographic majority. 2.1% of married White women and 2.3% of married White men had a non-White spouse. 1.0% of all married White men were married to an Asian American woman, and 1.0% of married White women were married to a man classified as "other".
4.6% of married Black American women and 10.8% of married Black American men had a non-Black spouse. 8.5% of married Black men and 3.9% of married Black women had a White spouse. 0.2% of married Black women were married to Asian American men, representing the least prevalent marital combination.
There is a notable disparity in the rates of exogamy by Asian American males and females. Of all Asian American/White marriages, only 29% involved an Asian American male and a White female. However Indian American males had higher outmarriage for males than females, although Indian Americans displayed the highest rates of endogamy, with very low levels of outmarriage overall. Of all Asian American/Black marriages only 19% involved an Asian American male and a Black female. 17.5% of married Asian American women and 8.2% of married Asian American men had a non-Asian American spouse.
In 2006, 88% of foreign-born White Hispanic males were married to White Hispanic females. In terms of out-marriage, Hispanic males who identified as White had non-Hispanic wives more often than other Hispanic men.

[fl1994]

In 1950 when those people (link) declared that "race is a myth", modern genetics was non-existent:

http://europe.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123?rm=eu



Modern genetics has actually supported the existence of genetic clusters within the human species.

1950 was like Stone Age when it comes to genetic knowledge.

These genetic clusters are ethnicities. Ethnicities exist but races are just social constructs.

[Unome]

You have proven that you are not intelligent enough to understand what I mean.
All you say is simple propaganda, lies.

Lies are vicious and evil, to try to deny other people their race and heritage.

Your propaganda is immoral.

[Unome]

All human races can and will mate with each other. But that's not the point.

Here is a good definition of race:

"Races are organismic (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/organismic) groups which differentiated from one another as a result of historic patterns of filiation (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/filiation?s=t); they are groups, which due to histories of sufficient linebreeding (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/linebreeding), form intraspecific (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intraspecific) natural divisions, ones which can be identified based on the correlations between the organisms' inherited characters (https://www.britannica.com/science/character-biology#ref278286)."
Tigers and lions, horses and donkeys, can be forced to mate with each-other, but that doesn't mean it's natural or that they should.

Same with humans, forcing different races to mix, doesn't provide evidence contrary to the existence of race or ethnicity.

All it proves is that some people (liberals) have an agenda and propaganda to force against others.


It is in the vested interest of some people, to deny their own race and heritage, for various reasons.

But that doesn't mean that everybody should follow-along with those that hate themselves, hate their own kind, their own ethnicity, and hate their own race.

[fl1994]

Tigers and lions, horses and donkeys, can be forced to mate with each-other, but that doesn't mean it's natural or that they should.

Same with humans, forcing different races to mix, doesn't provide evidence contrary to the existence of race or ethnicity.

All it proves is that some people (liberals) have an agenda and propaganda to force against others.


It is in the vested interest of some people, to deny their own race and heritage, for various reasons.

But that doesn't mean that everybody should follow-along with those that hate themselves, hate their own kind, their own ethnicity, and hate their own race.

Do you know that there is no such thing as race in terms of biological taxonomy?

[fl1994]

There are taxa or genetic clusters (if using the traditional term race is triggering you).

It does not trigger me but the fact that I say races are just cultures and societies seems to be triggering you.

[Unome]

Any two humans = fertile offspring.
Not necessarily, and children through miscegenation develop complexes and loss of (racial-ethnic) identity.

Furthermore racial divisions accentuate who will not mate with each-other.

[Herr Abubu]

The whole race discussion is incredibly stupid. Genetics in and of itself tells us absolutely nothing because data in and of itself tells nothing. Information is processed and interpreted by people, who then categorize it. Saying a race is such and such a genetic proximity in terms of genetic calculations doesn't make sense when the concept of race preceded the study of genetics and was never defined as such. Geneticists coming along and claiming that races don't exist because of some arbitrary interpretation of numbers is stupid because they are bringing in a new concept of race and because it is a completely arbitrary one.

[fl1994]

Ethnicities are cultures and societies. Race, on the other hand, is a purely biological concept.

Then prove it.

[Unome]

No decline in fertility of mixed-race children has between observed compared to monoracial kids.
That's because it's "politically incorrect" to measure and demonstrate the statistics.

An inordinate amount of mixed-racial children are "LTGBQ" for example. And they obviously are infertile.

[Unome]

The whole race discussion is incredibly stupid. Genetics in and of itself tells us absolutely nothing because data in and of itself tells nothing. Information is processed and interpreted by people, who then categorize it. Saying a race is such and such a genetic proximity in terms of genetic calculations doesn't make sense when the concept of race preceded the study of genetics and was never defined as such. Geneticists coming along and claiming that races don't exist because of some arbitrary interpretation of numbers is stupid because they are bringing in a new concept of race and because it is a completely arbitrary one.
That's all false.

Genes are data. And the genes tell everything; genes cannot lie. Genes explicitly show to everybody that race and ethnicity exists.

The "social constructs" begin when some people want to deny their own race, or, the race of other people. Those motives should be questioned more strongly than "the existence of race". Why are some people so determined to 'erase' their own race?

[Unome]

But all races have already been mixing with each other during the last 500+ years.
Not really, most ethnicities and races inter-breed within themselves.

For example, the Chinese and Japanese have not mixed with Africans or Europeans, during the "last 500+ years". They've been isolated and don't necessarily welcome outsiders or encroachment against their women.

The truth is, some race's women are "easier" to take than others.

[Herr Abubu]

That's all false.

Genes are data. And the genes tell everything; genes cannot lie. Genes explicitly show to everybody that race and ethnicity exists.

The "social constructs" begin when some people want to deny their own race, or, the race of other people. Those motives should be questioned more strongly than "the existence of race". Why are some people so determined to 'erase' their own race?

Genes are data and data is interpreted by people. Without that interpretation those genes tell us nothing. Moreover, the concepts of race existed far before genetics ever came around. All genetics can ever do is say that such and such race shows such and such genetic signatures. It doesn't define races.

[Pahli]

You are an idiot.
The ones who call the others as sub-human.

You human reject that looks like a pile of shit, do you never stop with your cancerous threads and topics?

[Herr Abubu]

For example this guy is ethnically Polish, but racially Negroid (unlike the rest of Poles):

http://szlaga.com/blog/wrzesien/SzlagaIZU01.jpg

He isn't an ethnic Pole. He has a Polish citizenship and that's as far as it goes. This guys roots have no part in the historical development of Polishness.

[Herr Abubu]

He was born in Poland, grew up in Polish culture, Polish is his mother tongue, and he identifies as ethnic Pole.



But the development of Polishness is not only historical, it has been an ongoing process.

The development isn't, but the being of Polishness is historical. I'd be really pissed if my ancestors suffered so I could live on their land and then have some dude with no historical tie to the same soil call himself my equal as a compatriot. It's absurd. And the very definition of ethnicity includes a belief in a shared historical origin. I guess in the case of Poland this goes back to our days as half-men in Africa? Or perhaps even farther back, to the first mammal? Or even the first amoeba?

[Petalpusher]

There s nearly a dozen. We re mostly a mix of two closely related ones, in Europe.

Thinking nature would politely restrain herself just for humans, when differents races of animals are everywhere, is already a bit pretentious.

[Tietar]

Yes, this is just a coincidence

https://static.iq-research.info/20150809/img/iq_by_country.png

http://especiales.elgrafico.com/2012/juegos-olimpicos/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Reut1166628.jpg

[Seya]

the fact that we can mate doesn't make us the same race. even different dog breeds can mate with each other without any problems. we are different races not different species.

[Abdelnour]

the fact that we can mate doesn't make us the same race. even different dog breeds can mate with each other without any problems. we are different races not different species.

Agreed.

Though I like your analogy about dogs. Dogs and Wolves can mate with no problem and wolves are archiac as they come. However, Dogs/Wolves and Coyotes or Jackals can mate too, but won't have an offspring that can pass their genetics along to their children.

Same thing with Lion and Tiger. They can have a Liger, but there won't be generations of Ligers.

[fl1994]

For example this guy is ethnically Polish, but racially Negroid (unlike the rest of Poles):

http://szlaga.com/blog/wrzesien/SzlagaIZU01.jpg

Ethnically Polish?

[fl1994]

the fact that we can mate doesn't make us the same race. even different dog breeds can mate with each other without any problems. we are different races not different species.

Lady
There is no place for race as far as biological classifications are concerned. Somebody can anthropology but unfortunately, anthropology is inferior so biology and genetics. Furthermore, anthropology is not even a branch of social sciences.

[catgeorge]

Lady
There is no place for race as far as biological classifications are concerned. Somebody can anthropology but unfortunately, anthropology is inferior so biology and genetics. Furthermore, anthropology is not even a branch of social sciences.

Seems to me you have stumbled across the wrong forum. Good luck to you.

[Seya]

Lady
There is no place for race as far as biological classifications are concerned. Somebody can anthropology but unfortunately, anthropology is inferior so biology and genetics. Furthermore, anthropology is not even a branch of social sciences.

whatever makes u happy )))) but if came here to feel better about yourself i think u chose the wrong forum.

[fl1994]

Seems to me you have stumbled across the wrong forum. Good luck to you.

wrong forum?

[Grab the Gauge]

Genetics actually is confirming the racial differences across races, especially with regards to Asians.


http://bhap.artsrn.ualberta.ca/images/uploads/pdfs/Miyazato_et_al_AJHB_2014.pdf


http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v57/n8/full/jhg201260a.html


"Race isn't real" only prevails in the Western world due to cowardice in academia in bowing to political correctness dogma. The rest of the world doesn't even care. In China, Japan, Russia, etc. racial studies continue unabaded. Racism as a science is also making a comeback in the Western world now that the genetic data is confirming the common-sense observations that had been made based on anthropometry; it's undeniable now. Also, archaic DNA is letting us know not only who has closer ties to ancient groups like WHG and ANE, but also who has more genes from differenf species, like Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Eventually, even in the Western world, the Left will have to bow down to the scientific reality of race, and ID cards, arrest records, insurance policies, etc will have words like "Caucasoid", "Mongoloid", "1.4% Neanderthal," "Nordic", "Tungid", etc. Eventually all the Liberals are going to have a racial classification stamped on their forehead, shortly before being taken to a rotary death chamber, where they will all be ground in to Spaghetti sauce, while this music plays on repeat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvhM8rkcEGY



Also, Seya is not European and extremely ugly. She looks like she's been sculpted out of diarrhea and curdled milk.

[Mortimer]

Human beings are composed of DNA and 99.9 percent of every human being is the same. It means that the concept of races is just a social construct. Not a biological one.

Today the vast majority of those involved in research on human variation would agree that biological races do not exist among humans. Among those who study the subject, who use and accept modern scientific techniques and logic, this scientific fact is as valid and true as the fact that the earth is round and revolves around the sun.

http://europe.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123?rm=eu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3sguRWYK0

great post

[XenophobicPrussian]

The OP is the prime example of what happens when people who were picking sugar cane 100 years ago are given access to the internet and actual information to process.

Chimps share 99% of DNA with humans, gorillas 98%, yet the differences are astounding. One sole SNP can contribute a large amount to features. Race is subjective, as are species and most other taxonomy, but it is not a social construct. If it's a social construct, nearly everything is.

Stop trying to attempt logic and go smoke some hash.

[RN97]

We juss dah uman rayiss muh nigga!
Nah, wher dhose white wimminz at mah nigga?!

[Smitty]

And there are no breeds of dogs, either.

[Myanthropologies]

Race is definitely socially constructed to some degree and was even more so in the past, but you can biologically determine someone's ancestry. However, there is no such thing as a genetically inferior race.

[Aviator]

However, there is no such thing as a genetically inferior race.

That's fair, but only because what one considers "superior" is subjective. If you consider poor intelligence superior because it prevents technological development, and is therefore good for the environment, then you could certainly claim that Nigerians are superior to Germans.

[alnortedelsur]

You have proven that you are not intelligent enough to understand what I mean.

He is more intelligent than you. 1% DNA difference, or even 0.1% DNA difference is a huge difference.

Social constructs are the "politically correct" values that dumb liberals like you (who think that are smarter than anyone else without being it), want to impose.

[Myanthropologies]

That's fair, but only because what one considers "superior" is subjective. If you consider poor intelligence superior because it prevents technological development, and is therefore good for the environment, then you could certainly claim that Nigerians are superior to Germans.

I think it's all very subjective, especially the way intelligence is measured. You should take a look at the !Kung people from Africa. They are a hunting and gathering society. Instead of technology and western medicine, they rely on herbs and trance dances. They practically have a use for each of the plants in their area. It actually works and heals the illnesses a lot of people in the village experience, as do the trance dances. A Canadian doctor visited the !Kung, and during her time there, she was highly shocked when she saw a medicine woman bring a baby back to consciousness after a trance dance. When she medically examined all the children, they were all healthy, with the exception of one girl who had a heart murmur. A lot of so called "inferior" people are actually better off than westerners in a lot of areas, the biggest being health. Westerners are more prone to things like heart disease, diabetes, etc, while other people aren't. Everyone is just very good at manipulating their environment given climate, economy, etc. That's why the !Kung went back to being a hunter and gathering society after they weren't colonized anymore, because hunter and gathering is more naturally beneficial to them. People just need to stop viewing other cultures through an ethnocentric lens.

[fl1994]

He is more intelligent than you. 1% DNA difference, or even 0.1% DNA difference is a huge difference.

Social constructs are the "politically correct" values that dumb liberals like you (who think that are smarter than anyone else without being it), want to impose.

Fuck you :)

[Al-Meksiki]

>People still believing that race exists and makes any difference in humans

You people think there's such a difference, believe me, you've never seen what real human subspecies look like. Go look at the various sub-species of Homo Erectus some time, and you'll realize how uniform humans are.

[alnortedelsur]

Fuck you :)

That's all your argument. Insults. You convinced me now :rolleyes:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

We also share 90% of our DNA with chimps. I guess small percentages do make a big difference after all!

If there is only one human race I'd like to see you explain poor East-Asians having far higher IQs than equally poor Africans.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Fuck you :)

Outstanding argument. I definitely know to take you seriously now!

[catgeorge]

Of course there is.... we define the world amongst two races. Greeks and Barbarians (I am not joking)

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-aristotle-and-plato-considered-greeks-so-innately-superior-to-barbarians-that-slavery-bertrand-russell-136-93-93.jpg

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-war-philip-had-announced-was-being-declared-against-the-persians-on-behalf-of-the-greeks-to-robin-lane-fox-229645.jpg

http://i.quoteaddicts.com/media/q1/1551575.png

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-among-the-conservative-greek-opinion-there-would-be-no-regrets-that-alexander-the-greek-robin-lane-fox-111-92-87.jpg

http://quoteparrot.com/images/quote/there-are-three-attributes-for-which-i-am-grateful-to-fortune-that-i-was-born-first-human-and-not-animal-second-man-and-not-woman-and-third-greek-and-not-barbarian-385743.jpg

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-now-you-fear-punishment-and-beg-for-your-lives-so-i-will-let-you-free-if-not-for-any-alexander-the-great-55-11-72.jpg

[fl1994]

Fuck you :)

[fl1994]

I do not have to convince idiots such as you :)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I do not have to convince idiots such as you :)

'The world is flat.'

'No it isn't.'

'Fuck you! I do not have to convince idiots such as you :)'

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

This is the height of Anti-Intellectualism.

Basically, you state something, and if someone disagrees, you refuse to debate them on it..whats even the point?

A fact is not established because you decree it so.

I could say anything, no matter how preposterous, and people would come up and say thats bullshit. However, if I refuse to listen to them, I'll just come off like a fucking idiot because I'm making a point I'm not even willing to defend from skeptics - thus proving I have little confidence in my own claims.