Albanians genetically closer to Spanish than Croatian?

[Lek]

http://oi63.tinypic.com/289zseh.jpg

[Dema]

I dont see exact but looks like about same distance?
Its interesting how Serbs are closer to Bulgarians, Albanians and Romanians while Croats are closer to Hungarians and Austrians.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Closer to even Albanians from Cleveland?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXMCMxVAHA

[Wrong]

I dont see exact but looks like about same distance?
Its interesting how Serbs are closer to Bulgarians, Albanians and Romanians while Croats are closer to Hungarians and Austrians.Hungars are closer to North Swedes than to Romanians, this is getting interesting.

[Dema]

Closer to even Albanians from Cleveland?


Hes good but Werdum made a critical error going stand up against him. While Verdum is BJJ God, he should have never made such a mistake lol.
It was like giving a free win. Silly Werdum.

[Dema]

Hungars are closer to North Swedes than to Romanians, this is getting interesting.



Hungarians are actually linguistically pretty special as they fall under the Finno Ugric language tree and not standard IE one : D
They are a bit of mystery. It must have been some expansion from the North, North East.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Lenguas_finougrias.png

[Lek]

I dont see exact but looks like about same distance?
Its interesting how Serbs are closer to Bulgarians, Albanians and Romanians while Croats are closer to Hungarians and Austrians.

Vlach and Albanian (Ilyrian/Thracian) admixture which pulls them south. Montenigrins would be the Serbs closest to Albanians. Me and Fustan Seem close to the monteniggers but it's maternally and not j2b. For me it would be from the Kuqi tribe which came from Montenegro. Possibly for fustan too. But he's slightly more north western than me. That blaka Is north eastern. I seem to plot almost in the middle, slightly north but would be better to make a map with only ftdna kits.

Many of the montennigers spread into Serbia, vojvodina, Kosovo etc. Would be interesting to see where south Serbs plot. But many of them ended in Northern Serbia.

Tosks I'm guessing are more southern shifted than Ghegs.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Hes good but Werdum made a critical error going stand up against him. While Verdum is BJJ God, he should have never made such a mistake lol.
It was like giving a free win. Silly Werdum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuVOHtGC6iM

[Dema]

Vlach and Albanian admixture which pulls them south. Montenigrins would be the Serbs closest to Albanians. But many of their ancestors spread into Serbia etc. Would be interesting to see where south Serbs plot.

Tosks I'm guessing are more southern shifted than Ghegs.

Yes, pre Slavic populations that they mixed with is pulling them toward us from what large part is Vlach and Albanian agree.

[Wrong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuVOHtGC6iM
Runnin' Reem

http://cdn.scrapdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/14330163_10154477032863416_6244013127599541358_n1. jpg

[Insuperable]

Depends on an individual. I for example am quite southern shifted compared to average Croats (including those from B&H) so... As a whole maybe.

[Lek]

Depends on an individual. I for example am quite southern shifted compared to average Croats (including those from B&H) so... As a whole maybe.

I'm guessing Dalmatians would plot more south?

[Wrong]

Hungarians are actually linguistically pretty special as they fall under the Finno Ugric language tree and not standard IE one : D
They are a bit of mystery. It must have been some expansion from the North, North East.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Lenguas_finougrias.png

They also have the Sumerian theory

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer%E2%80%93magyar_nyelvelm%C3%A9letek

http://www.oocities.org/tmajlath/sumer.gif

[Skerdilaid]

Tosks I'm guessing are more southern shifted than Ghegs.

Tosks seem to fall between Hila, who is a Tosk, and Leapfrogger, some even where I am, right on the centre of our cluster.

[Wrong]

Tosks seem to fall between Hila, who is a Tosk, and Leapfrogger, some even where I am, right on the centre of our cluster.Guess that makes me unique for this calculator atleast xD

[Dema]

They also have the Sumerian theory

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer%E2%80%93magyar_nyelvelm%C3%A9letek

http://www.oocities.org/tmajlath/sumer.gif

HaHaHa nice found, sounds like identity crisis to me tbh, i dont want to be rude to them, but i would suggest them to leave Sumerian history for J brotherhood.

[Insuperable]

I'm guessing Dalmatians would plot more south?

I am from Herzegovina. I am for some reason the most southern shifted of all Croat samples I encountered on 23andme (30+ or so).

[Lek]

Tosks seem to fall between Hila, who is a Tosk, and Leapfrogger, some even where I am, right on the centre of our cluster.

Can you post your results used for this calc? I get more north sea on this than any other Albanian. If you got fustans kit post his too cos I forgot. What makes that blaka so east I wonder. More east Euro?

Anyway. I gotta go now. See you later.

[Dema]

Skerdi is in the center like a boss : D

[Lek]

I am from Herzegovina. I am for some reason the most southern shifted of all Croat samples I encountered on 23andme (30+ or so).

I imagine herzegovinians, south Serbs and Dalmatians would plot closest to Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians.

Could you possibly put yourself in this map or have someone here do it for you ? It's eurogenes k15

[Dema]

I imagine herzegovinians, south Serbs and Dalmatians would plot closest to Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians.

Could you possibly put yourself in this map or have someone here do it for you ? It's eurogenes k15

I would not expect Hercegovina to plot near Albanian at all. They have like 60 or 70 per cent I2a dinaric, also their mentality is somewhat like Albanian when it comes to mixing. They dont mix even with Serbs or Muslim Bosnjaks.

[Insuperable]

I imagine herzegovinians, south Serbs and Dalmatians would plot closest to Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians.

Could you possibly put yourself in this map or have someone here do it for you ? It's eurogenes k15

Dalmatians and Herzegovinians are more northern shifted than South Serbs from what I have seen on 23andme. Except me of course.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115335-Global-Similarity-Maps-of-Croats-on-my-23andme-list

Me
23andme
https://s23.postimg.org/gfufta8rf/Untitled.png
My two attempts at DnalLand

http://s18.postimg.org/texurt189/dnaland1.png
http://s18.postimg.org/z9iodrsu1/dnaland2.png

I can't find the GSM feature on 23andme. Seems they removed it.:confused: But this is if I remember correctly where I plot, more or less. That black dot done in Paint. I found the pic on the Internet and I have just marked the position. Quite southern.
https://s23.postimg.org/5o4l8a1mz/Untitled.png

Regarding this map, if I remember correctly I have do Eurogenes test, enter data and mark coordinates in Paint or something, no? What is the link?

[Insuperable]

Wait I think I found that link.

[Herr Abubu]

IBD relatedness seems far more accurate. Plots and calculators seems like autistic circlejerking.

[Insuperable]

Could you possibly put yourself in this map or have someone here do it for you ? It's eurogenes k15

I am like half way between Romanian and Serb on that map.

[Sikeliot]

The closest to Albanians are northern Greeks. But probably they would be close to Spanish too.

[Skerdilaid]

Guess that makes me unique for this calculator atleast xD

Dorian through and through (pure Gheg) :p

[Cristiano viejo]

This just indicates "genetic" sucks.

[Dema]

This just indicates "genetic" sucks.

Why, what did you dislike or disagreed with>?

[Wrong]

Why, what did you dislike or disagreed with>?Why CV why??!?!?

[Profileid]

Why, what did you dislike or disagreed with>?

He's either saying the calculations they used suck or the very concept of genetics itself sucks.
Due to his exceeding poor English, we may never know what he meant.

It's worth noting he would be absolutely thrilled to find out Spanish were genetically closer to English or Germans.

[RN97]

This just indicates "genetic" sucks.

This indicates that not all PCA plots creates the same results based upon how they weight the axises and what components they use.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3815/33016667542_820581b53e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Siz3YE)
This one shows them closer to Croatians

[Cristiano viejo]

Why, what did you dislike or disagreed with>?
How could Albanians and Spaniards be genetically close, being Albanians +-40% e1b1 and Spaniards +-70% r1b??


He's either saying the calculations they used suck or the very concept of genetics itself sucks.
Due to his exceeding poor English, we may never know what he meant.

It's worth noting he would be absolutely thrilled to find out Spanish were genetically closer to English or Germans.
People know perfectly what I meant. You only understand about McDonalds burgers and 1L. ice creams.

[RN97]

How could Albanians and Spaniards be genetically close, being Albanians +-40% e1b1 and Spaniards +-70% r1b??


People know perfectly what I meant. You only understand about McDonalds burgers and 1L. ice creams.

haplogroups don't mean shit dude, what the heck are you talking about?

[RN97]

He's either saying the calculations they used suck or the very concept of genetics itself sucks.
Due to his exceeding poor English, we may never know what he meant.

It's worth noting he would be absolutely thrilled to find out Spanish were genetically closer to English or Germans.

"Spaniards are closer to NW Europeans compared to Romanians"
Cristiano Viejo, 2017

[Cristiano viejo]

"Spaniards are closer to NW Europeans compared to Romanians"
Cristiano Viejo, 2017
Brits are not NW Europeans and yes, are closer to Brits than to Romanians. Live with it.

[Dema]

How could Albanians and Spaniards be genetically close, being Albanians +-40% e1b1 and Spaniards +-70% r1b??


People know perfectly what I meant. You only understand about McDonalds burgers and 1L. ice creams.


No one said we are genetically close lol. Just seems Albanians plot little closer to Spaniards then Serbs do. But still we are pretty far away.
As you can see on that map.

[Cristiano viejo]

No one said we are genetically close lol. Just seems Albanians plot little closer to Spaniards then Serbs do. But still we are pretty far away.
As you can see on that map.

I know but still does not make too much sense.

[Dema]

I know but still does not make too much sense.

What does not make sense? I would say that Albanians and Serbs plot almost the same from Spaniards. Maybe Albos are little closer.
Spain plots near Portugal and Cataluna, also not so far from North Italians.

[alnortedelsur]

"Spaniards are closer to NW Europeans compared to Romanians"
Cristiano Viejo, 2017

Of course they are. Romanians are in the opposite corner of Europe.

Delusional people pretending that ANY other Europeans, other than Iberians, are closer to Northwest Europeans than them (even people from European countries located geographically farther away from Northwestern Europe than the Iberian peninsula), must think that Iberians are Africans and not Europeans, lol.

[Cristiano viejo]

What does not make sense? I would say that Albanians and Serbs plot almost the same from Spaniards. Maybe Albos are little closer.
Spain plots near Portugal and Cataluna, also not so far from North Italians.

Thanks for such important information about Spain and Catalonia being close.

[Wrong]

Thanks for such important information about Spain and Catalonia being close.Genetically, Albania is closer to Sweden than Spain is:

http://i.imgur.com/Kj8xwUX.png

It's sad but true Morisco Viejo.

[RN97]

Brits are not NW Europeans and yes, are closer to Brits than to Romanians. Live with it.

No they are not you retards, are you watching the same PCA plot as me?
Brits are the fucking textbook NW Europeans, lol. You really know nuffins do you bro? It's all part of your OWD dreams.

[alnortedelsur]

Genetically, Albania is closer to Sweden than Spain is:

http://i.imgur.com/Kj8xwUX.png

So?? Does that make Albanians any better than Spaniards?? Are Swedes gods for you??

[Wrong]

So?? Does that make Albanians any better than Spaniards?? Are Swedes gods for you??To you OWD bitches they are Gods.

You are not even fully Caucasoid yourself(part Amerindian, part Negro).

Don't reply to me again.

[RN97]

Of course they are. Romanians are in the opposite corner of Europe.

Delusional people pretending that ANY other Europeans, other than Iberians, are closer to Northwest Europeans than them (even people from European countries located geographically farther away from Northwestern Europe than the Iberian peninsula), must think that Iberians are Africans and not Europeans, lol.

Are you dumb too bro?
Romanians are pretty much equidistant to NW Europeans compared to Spaniards because Spaniards have on average more WHG and SSA, but less east asian/ siberian and ANE. Some NW Euros will be closer to Spaniards, but some, like n. Swedes will probably be closer to Romanians. Geography is irrelevant if genetics reveal something else. Spaniards and Romanians are on the same level on the north/ west axis, yet quite different on the east/ west axis. Some southern Spaniards are closer to Greeks and Albanians compared to the French

[RN97]

To you OWD bitches they are Gods.

You are not even fully Caucasoid yourself(part Amerindian, part Negro).

Don't reply to me again.

That's true but I know that you're not that you know well that the PCA plot you posted does not show what you claim it to.
Quality trolling though, I'll give ya that.

[Wrong]

That's true but I know that you're not that you know well that the PCA plot you posted does not show what you claim it to.
Quality trolling though, I'll give ya that.Different components. In the ANE/WHG/EEF plots Albanians are always closer to Scandos than Spaniards are.

Plot shows exactly the thing I was referring to.

[alnortedelsur]

Are you dumb too bro?
Romanians are pretty much equidistant to NW Europeans compared to Spaniards because Spaniards have on average more WHG and SSA, but less east asian/ siberian and ANE. Some NW Euros will be closer to Spaniards, but some, like n. Swedes will probably be closer to Romanians. Geography is irrelevant if genetics reveal something else. Spaniards and Romanians are on the same level on the north/ west axis, yet quite different on the east/ west axis. Some southern Spaniards are closer to Greeks and Albanians compared to the French

When I think in Northwestern Europe, Northern France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, British Islands, and maybe Northwestern Germany come to my mind. Sweden is just Northern Europe, IMO.

[RN97]

Different components. In the ANE/WHG/EEF plots Albanians are always closer to Scandos than Spaniards are.

Plot shows exactly the thing I was referring to.

It shows only ANE as far as I know.
Here is the ANE/WHG/EEF model you're talking about:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQSWxiSnlJdVdCc28/edit

[Ibericus]

Genetically, Albania is closer to Sweden than Spain is:

http://i.imgur.com/Kj8xwUX.png

It's sad but true Morisco Viejo.
That plot is about ANE affinity , not about genome-wide

[alnortedelsur]

That plot is about ANE affinity , not about genome-wide

I am pretty ignorant about genetics, but even if the Albanian guy was right and Albanians were closer to Swedes, Spaniards, on the other hand, are closer to "undoubtedly European" Northwestern Euros (aka British, Irish, Northern French, etc) than Albanians.

So, he is not "proving" with his claim that Albanians "are more Euro" than Spaniards.

[Cristiano viejo]

Genetically, Albania is closer to Sweden than Spain is:

http://i.imgur.com/Kj8xwUX.png

It's sad but true Morisco Viejo.

Do you want a award or something?
And then you have the balls to call us OWD... damn Gypsy :lol:

[Bell Beaker]

According to professor Kastrioti1443, Gheg Albanians are of Nordish extraction, and therefore closer to Swedes than anything else. Thus making them able to emmigrate to that country. Even the Swedes are aware of their proximity with the Albanians.....

Case closed.

[Wrong]

veeeeeeeee moriscos :D

[Wrong]

That plot is about ANE affinity , not about genome-wideNope, it has BedouinB in it along with MA1 and Mbuti.
Bedouin and Mbuti has nothing to do with ANE.

[alnortedelsur]

veeeeeeeee moriscos :D

Calm down Nordic guy :rolleyes:

[Cristiano viejo]

According to professor Kastrioti1443, Gheg Albanians are of Nordish extraction, and therefore closer to Swedes than anything else. Thus making them able to emmigrate to that country. Even the Swedes are aware of their proximity with the Albanians.....

Case closed.
According professor Kastrioti (lol, it makes me weird putting the word professor with an Albanian in the same sentence... ), Tosks, who are his own countrymen, are Turko-mongrels and deserve the death.
Claiming be close to Swedes, along this that I am writting, is curious, as little...

[Dema]

According professor Kastrioti (lol, it makes me weird putting the word professor with an Albanian in the same sentence... ), Tosks, who are his own countrymen, are Turko-mongrels and deserve the death.
Claiming be close to Swedes, along this that I am writting, is curious, as little...

What a troll you are, if anything you should be glad to plot closer to Tosks as that would make you more European.
But you still havent answer what you disagree with lol.

[RN97]

What a troll you are, if anything you should be glad to plot closer to Tosks as that would make you more European.
But you still havent answer what you disagree with lol.

It's still not true though. Croatians and Albos are slightly closer to each other compared to Albos and Spaniards.

[Dema]

It's still not true though. Croatians and Albos are slightly closer to each other compared to Albos and Spaniards.

Croats and Albos are closer to each other then any of them to Spaniards but still Albos are little closer to Spaniards then Croats are. So its true!
Serbs are in half way from Albos to Croats.

[Ibericus]

Nope, it has BedouinB in it along with MA1 and Mbuti.
Bedouin and Mbuti has nothing to do with ANE.
Those are the outgroup populations. The variant populations are HAN and MAl'ta. So the left-right axis is East-Asian influence, and the Bottom-Up axis is ANE influence.

[RN97]

Croats and Albos are closer to each other then any of them to Spaniards but still Albos are little closer to Spaniards then Croats are. So its true!
Serbs are in half way from Albos to Croats.

Yes, but this thread is about who is closer to Albos; Croats or Spaniards.
Spaniards are about equidistant to Croats and Albos depending on where they are from in Spain.

[Cristiano viejo]

What a troll you are, if anything you should be glad to plot closer to Tosks as that would make you more European.
But you still havent answer what you disagree with lol.

Why am I a troll?? Kastrioti claimed this.
I answered, review!

[Petalpusher]

The f4 for you to party all night :

Loschbour-Mal'ta

https://s2.postimg.org/s8sulhp8p/nihms613260f6.jpg

[Lek]

Me and Fustan seem honestly to be north ilyrians because going by every autosomal result so far + gedmatch we don't seem to have any more foreign ancestry. Some of the tribes we come from have legends of coming from Bosnia. Shala, Kuqi, Krasniqi etc.

[alnortedelsur]

To you OWD bitches they are Gods.

You are not even fully Caucasoid yourself(part Amerindian, part Negro).

Don't reply to me again.

There is not any evidence of any negro mixture in my phenotype, or in the phenotype of any of my immediate family members, imbecile who assumes that I am part negro, just because I am originally from Venezuela.

And I am part Amerindian, but my overwhelm amount of Spanish mixture gives me a more "Euro proper" lineage compared to an Albanistani like you. You should feel like a compliment that I at least talk to you.

[RN97]

The f4 for you to party all night :

Loschbour-Mal'ta

https://s2.postimg.org/s8sulhp8p/nihms613260f6.jpg
That PCA plot confused me so much, I can't even. 100% anthrotard-triggered


There is not any evidence of any negro mixture in my phenotype, or in the phenotype of any of my immediate family members, imbecile who assumes that I am part negro, just because I am originally from Venezuela.

And I am part Amerindian, but my overwhelm amount of Spanish mixture gives me a more "Euro proper" lineage compared to an Albanistani like you. You should feel like a compliment that I at least talk to you.

You should do a DNA test, you can have more amerindian than you think and negro blood is much worse. You can be somewhat amerindian and still be well within Europe, but not so much with SSA (if it goes above 5%).

[Petalpusher]

That PCA plot confused me so much, I can't even. 100% anthrotard-triggered


It's not a pca, i noticed most were not aware in the last 7 pages. Just the WHG-ANE biases, our admixture is a bit more complicated than that but it's already better than ANE-Chinese...

[RN97]

It's not a pca, i noticed most were not aware in the last 7 pages. Just the WHG-ANE biases, our admixture is a bit more complicated than that but it's already better than ANE-Chinese...

What about this one?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3803/33016272762_2f3e139a15_b.jpg
It seems to give a good idea of genetic affinity at least, or nah?

[alnortedelsur]

That PCA plot confused me so much, I can't even. 100% anthrotard-triggered



You should do a DNA test, you can have more amerindian than you think and negro blood is much worse. You can be somewhat amerindian and still be well within Europe, but not so much with SSA (if it goes above 5%).

I haven't done it yet for lack of money and time, but I will do it when I have a chance.

African mixture shows strong even in low percentages. Being the case that neither me or anybody on immediate family shows any African traits, I am pretty sure that I will score either less than 5% to none SSA, and that I will score somewhat Amerindian but still well within Europe.

[Ujku]

According professor Kastrioti (lol, it makes me weird putting the word professor with an Albanian in the same sentence... ), Tosks, who are his own countrymen, are Turko-mongrels and deserve the death.
Claiming be close to Swedes, along this that I am writting, is curious, as little...
U
I don't know why the fuck everyone thinks that we are mixed with Turks ... You are welcome to come and see how an average Tosk looks like , we're not all blonde with blue eyes like the spaniards but we're not swarthy either.

Dont trust so much the pictures Greeks post on this forum.

[Wrong]

There is not any evidence of any negro mixture in my phenotype, or in the phenotype of any of my immediate family members, imbecile who assumes that I am part negro, just because I am originally from Venezuela.

And I am part Amerindian, but my overwhelm amount of Spanish mixture gives me a more "Euro proper" lineage compared to an Albanistani like you. You should feel like a compliment that I at least talk to you.Take a DNA test or shut the fk up. Your credibility is null until you take one.

[alnortedelsur]

Take a DNA test or shut the fk up.

You being Albanian, you have not authority to shut me up. You should feel like a compliment that I am wasting my time responding to you. Even if a half Spanish Latin American balanced mestizo talked to you.

And I haven't done any test yet, but several members here know how I look like.

[Wrong]

Posts 5,704It seems like I am talking to a triracial cockroach.

[Ylla]

http://oi63.tinypic.com/289zseh.jpg

Who is this limaj?

[Damião de Góis]

http://oi63.tinypic.com/289zseh.jpg

The closest ones seem to be equidistant at most. So i would say no.

[alnortedelsur]

It seems like I am talking to a triracial cockroach.

Think that you are talking with Sami Sosa, if that makes you happy :rolleyes:

[crazyladybutterfly]

I guess it depends on what you mean by genetically close.

maybe there should be 2 meanings to it. on one meaning you're closer to iberians on another to your balkanic fellows

[Lek]

Who is this limaj?

He's a tosk.

[Lek]

I think Tosks plot between leki and limaj

[Profileid]

You being Albanian, have not authority to shut me up. You should feel like a compliment that I am wasting my time responding to you. Even if a half Spanish Latin American balanced mestizo talked to you.

And I haven't done any test yet, but several members here know how I look like.

Just take the test man.
3% admixture doesn't really show up in phenotypes.

[Dema]

He's a tosk.

Yes he is a Tosk, but there are Tosks just near Leki in the circle as Leki said today, Limaj just ploted little far away but in interesting direction.

[safinator]

Who is this limaj?

He's a Lab, not far from my area.

[safinator]

I think Tosks plot between leki and limaj

There are quite northern plotting Tosks tho

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I think Tosks plot between leki and limaj

Who's Limaj, he plots far from rest of Albo crew?

[Wrong]

Who's Limaj, he plots far from rest of Albo crew?So do I xD Eurogenes calc hates me.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

So do I xD

Where do you stand exactly?

[Wrong]

Where do you stand exactly?Slightly northwest of Central Greek.

[Lek]

Yes he is a Tosk, but there are Tosks just near Leki in the circle as Leki said today, Limaj just ploted little far away but in interesting direction.

While all the tribes I am connected to came from Bosnia. Kuqi maternally and also I match paternally krasniqi and shala (duhan who I am also connected to paternally). It's possible we are both krasniqi paternally originally. We gonna see krashniks results if he matches us but krasniqi are pred j2b2 and ev13.

It makes sense why I would be more northern plotting. Even Albanians who get more norman/goth / Slavic it would pull them slightly north but still I would be more north while they also get south west and sardinian which pulls them south again slightly. This is my only explanation.

There must of been a certain genetic gap between north and south ilyrians. to me it seems like I am a eastern shifted north Italian.

[Wrong]

This is the only calculator I plot out of line like this though. I am very close to Skerdi(Leki) and Leapfrogger in others.


Where do you stand exactly?
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15fup3.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

This is the only calculator I plot out of line like this though. I am very close to Skerdi(Leki) and Leapfrogger in others.


http://oi63.tinypic.com/15fup3.jpg

Oh, I see.

[Lek]

There are quite northern plotting Tosks tho

Those Tosks must be really mixed which has pulled them north. It could even be dacian or some north ilyrian component or even Slavic.

Bulgarians for example are not paleo Balkan at all. They just are aix mash of different groups and that's why they plot where they plot. Its a coincidence. It's no where close to north Italy or even as north yet on that map they are pretty much extremely eastern shifted north Italians while I plot between

[safinator]

Those Tosks must be really mixed which has pulled them north. It could even be dacian or some north ilyrian component or even Slavic.

Bulgarians for example are not paleo Balkan at all. They just are aix mash of different groups and that's why they plot where they plot. Its a coincidence. It's no where close to north Italy or even as north yet on that map they are pretty much extremely eastern shifted north Italians while I plot between

The most northern plotting Albanians are the ones from Montenegro , the most southern are the southwestern Albanians, surprisingly SE Albos can plot quite north too.

Kosovars aren't uniform, there's some really northern ones but also some which plot below me.

[Philip Latinowitz]

Dalmatians and Herzegovinians are more northern shifted than South Serbs from what I have seen on 23andme. Except me of course.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115335-Global-Similarity-Maps-of-Croats-on-my-23andme-list

Me
23andme
https://s23.postimg.org/gfufta8rf/Untitled.png
My two attempts at DnalLand

http://s18.postimg.org/texurt189/dnaland1.png
http://s18.postimg.org/z9iodrsu1/dnaland2.png

I can't find the GSM feature on 23andme. Seems they removed it.:confused: But this is if I remember correctly where I plot, more or less. That black dot done in Paint. I found the pic on the Internet and I have just marked the position. Quite southern.
https://s23.postimg.org/5o4l8a1mz/Untitled.png

Regarding this map, if I remember correctly I have do Eurogenes test, enter data and mark coordinates in Paint or something, no? What is the link?

Do you have some gedmatch data about Croats ? I've never seen any.

[Philip Latinowitz]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

I took a look at the PCA, I see we plot closer to Croats then Spaniards (understandably so), you're correct.

We undoubtedly share some pre-Slavic genes, nothing unusual here.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The most northern plotting Albanians are the ones from Montenegro , the most southern are the southwestern Albanians, surprisingly SE Albos can plot quite north too.

Kosovars aren't uniform, there's some really northern ones but also some which plot below me.

People around Korca seem very Northern looking by southern standards I noticed, could very well be because they carry few genes from once Slavic settlers in Medieval period.

[RN97]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

By standard definition they are Balkanite but what separate them from us is indeed WHG competent mostly, they score very high amount (40%), we however score around 30% WHG in Kosovo and less the more south you go.

[Philip Latinowitz]

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense :D
I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EHG, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

[safinator]

People around Korca seem very Northern looking by southern standards I noticed, could very well be because they carry few genes from once Slavic settlers in Medieval period.

Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense :D
I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EGH, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

Haplogroups =/= Ancient components or admixture, hg just tells where your great great......grandfather possibly might hailed from but tells nothing about his racial make up, autosomal test is what tells you about.

[Philip Latinowitz]

By standard definition they are Balkanite but what separate them from us is indeed WHG competent mostly, they score very high amount (40%), we however score around 30% WHG in Kosovo and less the more south you go.

Well, I don't exactly agree. I'm North Croat and for example Graz (city in Austria) is quite close to my town, far closer than Albania or Bulgaria but unlike many other Croats I don't get triggered when called Balkanite :D
It is just certain some common ancestry must exist in the region, be it Illyrian (Thracian) or Roman.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.

Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.

[safinator]

Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.

None that i know of on Gedmatch, i share with some on 23andMe.

[Coolguy1]

What test is this graph based on? Could someone put my results there, just want to see how I compare.

[RN97]

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense :D
I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EHG, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

Western hunther gatherers were some of the first Europeans, they are believed to be blue eyed, dark skinned and dark haired and look Cro-magnon-like.
http://i.imgur.com/VPfaIXt.jpg

The closest people to WHG's today are the basques, the reason being not that they have the most WHG, but that they don't have a lot of ANE, which pushes you very far east, that's why NE Euros have a lot of WHG, but still cluster far from it. EHG, I'm unsure of, but I think it's a hunther gatherer that's like a mix of WHG and ANE, it looks kinda chinky. I think in modern times Samis, Chuvash, Maris look like them. Here is more on them:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?4852-What-is-EHG-Eastern-European-Hunter-Gatherer

[Insuperable]

Do you have some gedmatch data about Croats ? I've never seen any.

MDLP spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kYUlhYoeKSVU32StUdiAl5DhJYYk6hdGqHo5vquadBY/edit#gid=0

MDLP K13 spreadsheet (this one also has B&H Croat population)

Eurogenes K8 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QWzK3Zb7fxky6bguizFty2gXbEmJ3GZkQZOLfYDMzUQ/edit
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155723-K8-All-Populations-Spreadsheet

PCA plots based on Eurogenes calculators
http://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png
http://s22.postimg.org/64lijqhu9/pca12.png
http://s28.postimg.org/sfar01xf1/pca12.png

K15 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit?pli=1#gid=1872836177

From a research paper
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJs5tV0H3t4/VIwY7BlNxyI/AAAAAAAAByQ/LakjgsBYRNc/s1600/2dkweaw.jpg

[Philip Latinowitz]

MDLP spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kYUlhYoeKSVU32StUdiAl5DhJYYk6hdGqHo5vquadBY/edit#gid=0

MDLP K13 spreadsheet (this one also has B&H Croat population)

Eurogenes K8 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QWzK3Zb7fxky6bguizFty2gXbEmJ3GZkQZOLfYDMzUQ/edit
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155723-K8-All-Populations-Spreadsheet

PCA plots based on Eurogenes calculators
http://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png
http://s22.postimg.org/64lijqhu9/pca12.png
http://s28.postimg.org/sfar01xf1/pca12.png

K15 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit?pli=1#gid=1872836177

From a research paper
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJs5tV0H3t4/VIwY7BlNxyI/AAAAAAAAByQ/LakjgsBYRNc/s1600/2dkweaw.jpg

Amazing :D thanks a lot man.

[Insuperable]

Amazing :D thanks a lot man.

No problem. It seems I didn't put link of MDLP K13 and I put wrong link regarding K8. So here is MDLP K13 and Eurogenes K8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-0H0X4DlMWvZDhfMk9wSVVMU2M/view?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=74932529

[Ujku]

Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.

I had 2 people from korca in my High school they were brothers , both were with really light blond hair and Green eyes but their face was very Albanian.
I think they should have some Slav ancestry because their hair colour was almost white like :p

[Laberia]

Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.

It's in the History of Albania, Histori e Shqipërisë. When there was the slavic invasion, there were some Sclavonia in this regions of Opar, Korça and Skrapar, Berat. Byzantines gather this slavs and send them in Asia Minor. Did the Byzantine gather all this slavs? I doubt. There is an document that can help us to understand the situation. The memories of Gjon Muzaka. His family was exactly from the region of Korça and he speak about some villages of slavs in Opar. We know about the existence of this people. Today they are assimilated in our nation,they are Albanians like all of us. But the Muzaka family was the ruling family of Epir, they were Despot of Epir. And for centuries their capital was Berat. And when we say Berat, the highland of this city is Skrapar. He don't mention slavs in Skrapar. He speak even about a place in Skrapar, where according to him, there is gold, but he don't speak about slavs. This is the story of slavic settlements in South Albania. Only few villages in the highland of Korça and maybe some left overs in Skrapar. Of course, Geni is excluded, lol.

[Drawing-slim]

Korrcaret jane the lightest of all abanians i think.

[Lek]

Added another guy who plots right east of me (anonymous gheg :D )

https://s30.postimg.org/4f4bm1xlr/k15icet2.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Korrcaret jane the lightest of all abanians i think.
Nah I don't think so

[Nilotik]

Why this talk about who's the lightest anyway? As if it's a good thing :P

[Drawing-slim]

Why this talk about who's the lightest anyway? As if it's a good thing :P

Its not. I was just saying it based on at least ten albos from korrca i know here where i live.