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Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 07:58 PM
Here is the latest study about Scythians

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


"Genomic inference reveals that Scythians in the east and the west of the steppe zone can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and an East Asian component. "

"The origin of the widespread Scythian culture has long been debated in Eurasian archaeology. The northern Black Sea steppe was originally considered the homeland and centre of the Scythians3 until Terenozhkin formulated the hypothesis of a Central Asian origin4. On the other hand, evidence supporting an east Eurasian origin includes the kurgan Arzhan 1 in Tuva5, which is considered the earliest Scythian kurgan5."

" From the western part of the Eurasian Steppe, samples discovered in the North Caucasus dating to the initial Scythian period (eighth to sixth century BCE), classical Scythians from the Don-Volga region (third century BCE), and Early Sarmatians from Pokrovka, southwest of the Ural (fifth to second century BCE), were included. "

"whereas populations with genetic similarities to eastern Scythian groups are found almost exclusively among Turkic language speaker"

" In our ADMIXTURE analyses we find an East Asian ancestry component at K=15 in all Iron Age samples that has not been detected in preceding Bronze Age populations in either western or eastern parts of the Eurasian Steppe."

"Theese findings are consistent with the appearance of east Eurasian mitochondrial lineages in the western Scythians during the Iron Age, and imply gene-flow or migration over the Eurasian Steppe belt carrying East Asian/North Siberian ancestry from the East to the West as far as the Don-Volga region in southern Russia."

"Contemporary descendants of western Scythian groups are found among various groups in the Caucasus and Central Asia, while similarities to eastern Scythian are found to be more widespread, but almost exclusively among Turkic language speaking (formerly) nomadic groups, particularly from the Kipchak branch of Turkic languages"

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 08:00 PM
SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR SCYTHIAN FANTASIES AHAHAHAHAHAHA. EVEN WESTERN SCYTHIANS HAD SIGNIFICANT EAST EURASIAN ADMIXTURE.

DAVIDSKI (POLAKO) MUST BE REALLY SAD LOOOOL.


Slavs have always beeen sedentary people, and they were originally a marsh people, later expanded to steppe regions ( circa 15th century). They have never been part of the Eurasian nomads, their warfare was totally different than that of Scythians and later medieval Eurasian nomadic tribes. Sorry wannabe scythians, the more Scythian genomes are revealed the more your lies are exposed.

Ülev
03-03-2017, 08:17 PM
little bump

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 08:19 PM
Where are all the "blonde blue eyed" Scythian Polish warriors of Davidski (aka Polako) LEL?

Peterski
03-03-2017, 08:35 PM
GEDmatch kit M348213 = Iron Age Scythian from Russia.

You can check his results in various calculators if you want.

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 10:03 PM
GEDmatch kit M348213 = Iron Age Scythian from Russia.

You can check his results in various calculators if you want.

I'm aware of this Scythian from Volga. His autosomal dna doesn't look Slavic at all, not even close. Let alone Davidski's fantasy Scythians who were Polish-like blonde blue eyed warriors according to him LOL. The biggest anthrofora shit ever "Scythians were similar to Slavs genetically". No they weren't. They were closer to modern Central Asians and Caucasians.

"Blonde blue eyed Scythians raping Asian women" theory is debunked as well, even the westernmost Scythians had East Eurasian dna, which means East Eurasian component contributed to the Scythian ethnogenesis from the beginning.

I really want to see Davidski's face right now, he was so sure about those Scythians LEEEL.



Slavs are a marsh people, they have nothing to the with steppes. They were not famous for their steppe cavalry and horse archers, their armies were comprised of shitty foot soldiers like that of Germanics. Thanks GOD we have genetics so we don't have to hear these shitty fairytales anymore. Slavs were subjugated by every steppe group that roamed the Ponto-Caspian steppe, they were always slaves.

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 10:08 PM
Where are all those who say "we wuz aryanz n sheit"?

jingorex
03-03-2017, 10:11 PM
... they have nothing to the with steppes. They were not famous for their steppe cavalry and horse archers, their armies were comprised of shitty foot soldiers like that of Germanics.

A real soldier appreciates both the heavy cav and the grunt.

Dick
03-03-2017, 10:12 PM
So how did the Scythians look like? If it even matters.

Norka
03-03-2017, 10:13 PM
Pollock pseudo-science on this forum is absurd. The R1 pollock orgy is about to hit the stage.

But I agree somewhat, the Scythian Sarmat tribes could not have just vanished into thin air though. I think some settled and assimilated with the local slavic population. So Slavs especially those that live in those areas would have some Scyth and Sarmat blood.

Dick
03-03-2017, 10:14 PM
Pollock pseudo-science on this forum is absurd. The R1 pollock orgy is about to hit the stage.

But I agree somewhat, the Scythian Sarmat tribes could not have just vanished into thin air though. I think some settled and assimilated with the local slavic population. So Slavs especially those that live in those areas would have some Scyth and Sarmat blood.

The word skit/skiti, whatever, means wanderer/nomad in pretty much all Slavic languages afaik. Did they even call themseles "Scythians"?

Rethel
03-03-2017, 10:15 PM
:picard2:

Peterski
03-03-2017, 10:16 PM
His autosomal dna doesn't look Slavic at all, not even close.

In some calculators looks very Slavic.

Pennywise
03-03-2017, 10:17 PM
The word skit/skiti, whatever, means wanderer/nomad in pretty much all Slavic languages afaik. Did they even call themseles "Scythians"?

No it means "fucking" in Turkic languages.

Sik/siktir- Fuck

Sikish- Fucking

jingorex
03-03-2017, 10:18 PM
So how did the Scythians look like? If it even matters.

like this.

Shah-Jehan
03-03-2017, 10:19 PM
I'm not sure why so many people even claim to be Scythians. Like what is so special about them :lol: A lot of people also claim Jewish/Hebrew/Israeli origin.

Dick
03-03-2017, 10:24 PM
like this.


A happy couple.

Norka
03-03-2017, 10:26 PM
The word skit/skiti, whatever, means wanderer/nomad in pretty much all Slavic languages afaik. Did they even call themseles "Scythians"?

I have never heard that. In Russian word for Scythian is Скиф/Skif who I think were a confederation of tribes each with their own little genetic mix and I definetly don't think they called themselves Scythians.

Norka
03-03-2017, 10:28 PM
:picard2:

Pollocks are definetly not related to Scythians or Sarmatians. Weird Pollock wannabe behaviour :picard2:

Shah-Jehan
03-03-2017, 10:29 PM
The word skit/skiti, whatever, means wanderer/nomad in pretty much all Slavic languages afaik. Did they even call themseles "Scythians"?

It's not known what the Scythians called themselves, but the Greeks called them Scyths, the Iranians and Indo-Aryans called them Sakas etc.

Ülev
03-03-2017, 10:31 PM
Pollocks are definetly not related to Scythians or Sarmatians. Weird Pollock wannabe behaviour :picard2:

but, but, read my post from another topic:


look here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/10_z%C5%82-1994.jpg
from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:10_z%C5%82-1994.jpg
first polish ruler, Mieszko I of Poland didn't look slavic, especially Baltid, nothing "rethelid" on him, he was from Zagros or Kavkaz Mountains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieszko_I_of_Poland

jingorex
03-03-2017, 10:31 PM
A happy couple.

he looked me right in the eyes and said 'im your daddy' in perfect American English.

i dropped my rife, stepped over the wire, dropped my armor and gave him a hug.

also. not kidding.

XenophobicPrussian
03-03-2017, 10:31 PM
It's already well known Mongoloids took over the steppe in the Iron Age. I haven't seen any Slavs try to claim Scythians other than that Sarmatian guy.

Shah-Jehan
03-03-2017, 10:34 PM
It's already well known Mongoloids took over the steppe in the Iron Age. I haven't seen any Slavs try to claim Scythians other than that Sarmatian guy.

Sarmatian is a Cossack, he may as well be part-Ossetian, hence Scythian. But, there are lot of origin myths from different groups who claim Scythian origins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Descent_claims


Lol, even Anglo-Jew claims to be of Scythian descent :lol:

Norka
03-03-2017, 10:37 PM
but, but, read my post from another topic:

Slavs tend to be a bit more shit skinned compared to Balts honestly he looks pretty Slav to me nothing out of the ordinary. Even if he was Scythian or Sarmat he made up the ruling class which vanished and didn't leave a hint on the modern Pollock population

XenophobicPrussian
03-03-2017, 10:45 PM
I'm aware of this Scythian from Volga. His autosomal dna doesn't look Slavic at all, not even close. Let alone Davidski's fantasy Scythians who were Polish-like blonde blue eyed warriors according to him LOL. The biggest anthrofora shit ever "Scythians were similar to Slavs genetically". No they weren't. They were closer to modern Central Asians and Caucasians.

"Blonde blue eyed Scythians raping Asian women" theory is debunked as well, even the westernmost Scythians had East Eurasian dna, which means East Eurasian component contributed to the Scythian ethnogenesis from the beginning.

I really want to see Davidski's face right now, he was so sure about those Scythians LEEEL.



Slavs are a marsh people, they have nothing to the with steppes. They were not famous for their steppe cavalry and horse archers, their armies were comprised of shitty foot soldiers like that of Germanics. Thanks GOD we have genetics so we don't have to hear these shitty fairytales anymore. Slavs were subjugated by every steppe group that roamed the Ponto-Caspian steppe, they were always slaves.
Scythians weren't closer to Caucasians, they were basically Slavic-Mongoloid mixes. Tatars basically. You're probably not a Mongoloid so, nothing to do with you.

Slavs(East Ukrainian like Sintastha, Srubnaya, etc) conquered and dominated the entire Pontic steppe up to the Altai before any Mongoloids came onto the scene for an extremely long time and taught them everything they know. They also displaced the swarthy modern Volga without Mongoloid like Yamnaya(which was a mulatto eastern group and had nothing to do with western migrations as shown by the much more northern shifted than Latvian Corded Ware and as western Yamnaya will soon show).

Also, you have no genetics from western Scythia, all of them are from the Volga and from Kazakhstan. You also don't have a sure Scythian homeland so you don't know if they came from the west or east, nor do you have evidence of foreign Scythian elites in western Scythia. It could've simply been a large cultural horizon rather than some unified empire of tribes.

I don't really deny Mongoloids overtook the east Europid place as the kings of the steppe(kept getting more Mongoloid, from half/half Scythians/Okunevo, to full Huns/Mongols), this happened for obvious reasons(Mongoloid IQ), but don't twist the facts.

Slavs outside of northern Russia = no to very little Mongoloid(which is not from steppe invaders but from Nganasan/Nenet arctic traders). Eurasian steppe, Altai, central Asia, India = a ton of Europid. Slavs win. Either way, you're probably central Asian/Iranic or some shit, so you lose, as both Europids and Mongoloids utterly dominated you.

Kamal900
03-03-2017, 10:50 PM
I'm not sure why so many people even claim to be Scythians. Like what is so special about them :lol: A lot of people also claim Jewish/Hebrew/Israeli origin.

Not only that but they also claim that they are Aryans as well..as an Indo-Aryan Bengali you should be pissed about that.

XenophobicPrussian
03-03-2017, 10:54 PM
Not only that but they also claim that they are Aryans as well..as an Indo-Aryan Bengali you should be pissed about that.
They aren't? Where do you think the R1a in Central Asia/India comes from? An imaginary person or the actual oldest sample that has R1a-Z93, Poltavka outlier?

http://s22.postimg.org/5zmcnszwx/image.png

http://s22.postimg.org/obd04y8k1/image.png

Leto
03-03-2017, 11:09 PM
They aren't? Where do you think the R1a in Central Asia/India comes from? An imaginary person or the actual oldest sample that has R1a-Z93, Poltavka outlier?
For some reason the R1a is quite common among Volgaic-Uralic minorities in Russia such as Mordvins, Volga Tatars, Bashkirs, etc.

catgeorge
03-03-2017, 11:11 PM
Demosthenes was half Scythian half Greek.

Greece has had plenty of Scythians migrating to Greece under Phillip II (where I believe is where R1a came from)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Demosthenes_orator_Louvre.jpg

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 11:16 PM
:picard2:

What the fuck does that even mean? All sentences in the OP are quoted from the study.



It's already well known Mongoloids took over the steppe in the Iron Age. I haven't seen any Slavs try to claim Scythians other than that Sarmatian guy.
You haven't seen? Have you never heard of Polako/Davidski? The guy used to portray Scythians as some kind of Slavic-like population raping East Eurasian women. According to him Scythians were like modern Poles genetically. LOL




Scythians weren't closer to Caucasians, they were basically Slavic-Mongoloid mixes. Tatars basically. You're probably not a Mongoloid so, nothing to do with you.


Are you a fucking moron? Slavic-Mongoloid mixed? Read the fucking OP before posting comments that makes you look like a fucking imbecile. They can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and part East Eurasian. Where the fuck do you see anything about Slavs? Yamnaya was 50% EHG 50% CHG, does their autosomal dna look like modern Slav to you?

Shah-Jehan
03-03-2017, 11:19 PM
They aren't? Where do you think the R1a in Central Asia/India comes from? An imaginary person or the actual oldest sample that has R1a-Z93, Poltavka outlier?

....

,....

The Indo-Aryans didn't form as a distinct group from Indo-Iranians during Sintashta/Andronovo cultures. It is said that the Swat valley/Gandhara culture is where they acquired most of their culture/religion, formed a distinct linguistic group etc.

Kazbolat
03-03-2017, 11:23 PM
Also, you have no genetics from western Scythia, all of them are from the Volga and from Kazakhstan. You also don't have a sure Scythian homeland so you don't know if they came from the west or east, nor do you have evidence of foreign Scythian elites in western Scythia. It could've simply been a large cultural horizon rather than some unified empire of tribes.


Raed the fucking study you goddamn imbecile. Yes we havedna samples from western Scythia, north of the Black Sea. Western Scythians also have East Eurasian component according to study so either way you are fucking pseudo-Scythians.

quoted from the study:
"Contemporary descendants of western Scythian groups are found among various groups in the Caucasus and Central Asia, while similarities to eastern Scythian are found to be more widespread, but almost exclusively among Turkic language speaking (formerly) nomadic groups, particularly from the Kipchak branch of Turkic languages"

http://i63.tinypic.com/2evvp0z.png

Norka
03-03-2017, 11:27 PM
Raed the fucking study you goddamn imbecile. Yes we havedna samples from western Scythia, north of the Black Sea. Western Scythians also have East Eurasian component according to study so either way you are fucking pseudo-Scythians.

quoted from the study:
"Contemporary descendants of western Scythian groups are found among various groups in the Caucasus and Central Asia, while similarities to eastern Scythian are found to be more widespread, but almost exclusively among Turkic language speaking (formerly) nomadic groups, particularly from the Kipchak branch of Turkic languages"

http://i63.tinypic.com/2evvp0z.png

Bro whos sockpuppet are you? I have never seen you before and no way have you been gathering this flame war with slavs since 2015

Leto
03-03-2017, 11:30 PM
An Andronovo (?) woman, ~3000 years ago
Kit F999961

puntDNAL K12

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 45.25
2 Caucasus_HG 29.95
3 Anatolian_NF 21.33
4 South_Asian 3.47


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.12
2 Baltic 33.6
3 West_Asian 16.28

Indo-Iranians seem to have been racially white if we may say so.

Norka
03-03-2017, 11:33 PM
An Andronovo (?) woman, ~3000 BC
Kit F999961

puntDNAL K12

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 45.25
2 Caucasus_HG 29.95
3 Anatolian_NF 21.33
4 South_Asian 3.47


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.12
2 Baltic 33.6
3 West_Asian 16.28

Indo-Iranians seem to have been racially white if we may say so.

No surprises there. But it doesn't make them Slavs. Don't tell me you are a believer in Pollock pseudo-science

Leto
03-03-2017, 11:34 PM
No surprises there. But it doesn't make them Slavs. Don't tell me you are a believer in Pollock pseudo-science
What is their pseudo-science? Are you anti-Polish, by the way?

Norka
03-03-2017, 11:37 PM
What is their pseudo-science? Are you anti-Polish, by the way?

R1 related businesses and claims of relation to Scythians and Sarmatians. No I don't mind Pollocks just don't like R1etheloids.

Leto
03-03-2017, 11:41 PM
R1 related businesses and claims of relation to Scythians and Sarmatians. No I don't mind Pollocks just don't like R1etheloids.
I don't like that freak either. And the Scythians had disappeared several centuries before the Slavs created their first state.

XenophobicPrussian
03-04-2017, 12:00 AM
Raed the fucking study you goddamn imbecile. Yes we havedna samples from western Scythia, north of the Black Sea. Western Scythians also have East Eurasian component according to study so either way you are fucking pseudo-Scythians.

quoted from the study:
"Contemporary descendants of western Scythian groups are found among various groups in the Caucasus and Central Asia, while similarities to eastern Scythian are found to be more widespread, but almost exclusively among Turkic language speaking (formerly) nomadic groups, particularly from the Kipchak branch of Turkic languages"

http://i63.tinypic.com/2evvp0z.png
That is not Western Scythia. Scythian territorial extent was as far west as western Ukraine. The Sarmatian sample with autosomal DNA from this study is #3, which is actually east of the Volga.

XenophobicPrussian
03-04-2017, 12:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmAlh2wKPI

XenophobicPrussian
03-04-2017, 12:04 AM
Manzikert = literally tobacco chewing, camel riding tent Bedouin with 7% Han Chinese admixture

Pahli
03-04-2017, 12:19 AM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 39.61
2 West-Asian 24.65
3 Samoedic 10.51
4 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 9.26
5 Indo-Iranian 3.98
6 North-European-Mesolithic 2.64
7 East-Siberean 2.05
8 North-Amerind 1.96
9 Indian 1.64
10 Mesoamerican 1.22
11 North-Siberean 1.2
12 East-South-Asian 1.1
13 Arctic-Amerind 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar (derived) 14.69
2 Tartar_Mishar (derived) 18.21
3 Chuvash (derived) 18.74
4 Tatar_Lithuania (derived) 18.89
5 Tatar_Kryashen (derived) 19.42
6 Komi (derived) 21.51
7 Udmurd (derived) 23.06
8 Latvian_V (derived) 23.94
9 Nogai (derived) 24.33
10 Mari (derived) 24.78
11 Bashkir (derived) 24.88
12 Tatar_Crim (derived) 25
13 Gagauz (derived) 25.64
14 Bosnian (derived) 25.9
15 Aleut (derived) 25.91
16 Tadjik (derived) 26.25
17 Mordovian_V (derived) 26.54
18 Romania (derived) 26.58
19 Bulgarian (derived) 26.69
20 Mordovian (derived) 26.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.2% Komi (derived) + 39.8% Tabassaran (derived) @ 4.64
2 61.2% Komi (derived) + 38.8% Avar (derived) @ 4.75
3 61.5% Komi (derived) + 38.5% Lak (derived) @ 4.83
4 62.1% Komi (derived) + 37.9% Lezgin (derived) @ 4.97
5 64.7% Chuvash (derived) + 35.3% Avar (derived) @ 5.33
6 63.8% Chuvash (derived) + 36.2% Tabassaran (derived) @ 5.49
7 62% Komi (derived) + 38% Chechen (derived) @ 5.67
8 65.1% Chuvash (derived) + 34.9% Lak (derived) @ 5.78
9 71% Tatar (derived) + 29% Avar (derived) @ 5.95
10 78.5% Komi (derived) + 21.5% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 6.1
11 65.8% Chuvash (derived) + 34.2% Lezgin (derived) @ 6.1
12 50.4% Tadjik (derived) + 49.6% Mordovian (derived) @ 6.12
13 80.4% Tatar_Kryashen (derived) + 19.6% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 6.17
14 85% Tatar (derived) + 15% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 6.27
15 64.1% Tatar_Kryashen (derived) + 35.9% Avar (derived) @ 6.3
16 63.5% Komi (derived) + 36.5% NorthOssetian (derived) @ 6.31
17 70.4% Tatar (derived) + 29.6% Tabassaran (derived) @ 6.39
18 61.4% Komi (derived) + 38.6% Adygei (derived) @ 6.4
19 61.8% Komi (derived) + 38.2% Kabardinian (derived) @ 6.46
20 65.4% Komi (derived) + 34.6% Ossetian (derived) @ 6.49

Scythian result here, is close to Tatars but is still more Western shifted and also considerably more Caucasian shifted than Tatars. Scythians are definitely Central Asian mixed which explains their high Caucasian admixture, but also 15% East Eurasian admixture. They weren't some bullshit mix of Slavic-Mongoloid.

Pennywise
03-04-2017, 12:59 AM
Manzikert = literally tobacco chewing, camel riding tent Bedouin with 7% Han Chinese admixture

You can stick it up in your ass my "%7 Han Chinese" admix bud. ;) You delusional wanker.

War Chef
03-04-2017, 02:18 AM
Following Scythain custom, I will make a drinking cup out of Polako's skull !

NSXD60
03-04-2017, 03:52 AM
Speaking of shearing off skulls, it would seem that Scythians or Sakas were known as people of the sword, the designation being akin to Old English "seax" (sword) of England's ancient "Saxons", now usually used in the compound Anglo-Saxon.

Antimage
03-10-2017, 07:12 AM
What's so great about scythians anyway? That everyone wants to claim them? Besides slavs/eastern europeans I also saw turks and iranics claim them as their people

Sarmatian
03-10-2017, 07:48 AM
Slavs are a marsh people, they have nothing to the with steppes. They were not famous for their steppe cavalry and horse archers, their armies were comprised of sh/tty foot soldiers like that of Germanics.

Until appearance of firearms Slavs were fighting almost exclusively mounted. Every professional Slavic fighter was a mounted knight with heavy armor. Fighting on foot made no sense back then due to advantages heavy mount offered. Main Slavic tactic was heavy cavalry charge and they were mopping floor with any nomadic tribe if fielded equal number of fighters. The only chance nomads had was when they came in numbers which is what happened during Mongol invasion.

But even with bigger numbers Mongols had to use hit and run tactics to beat heavy Slavic cavalry. Just because in frontal clash they were always annihilated by Slavs just as it happened in Battle of Kulikovo when Mongols had to fight at the field located between two forests and had no room to maneuver.

So keep your retarded tales to little kids, then you may have a chance to find an appreciating audience.

Sarmatian
03-10-2017, 07:52 AM
I think that "Turkic" part (in the paper) makes some members angry. Neither Indo-Europeans nor Turkics were isolated groups. It's normal to see some similarities/connections between IEs, Turkics and Uralics. Central Asia is a good example.

That is because culture isn't defined by language but by immediate environment people living at. When Slavic-speaking people moved to Steppe they adopted practices of nomads just to survive. Same with Turkic-speaking people living in forested swamps closer to Ural, their customs were as far from nomads as original Slavs.

Kazbolat
03-12-2017, 04:57 PM
but Scythians are related to Slavs as much as they are related to Iranic, Turkic and Uralic groups.



No they are not. IBD analysis clearly shows that they are mostly related to present day Siberians, Central Asian and Caucasus peoples.





But even with bigger numbers Mongols had to use hit and run tactics to beat heavy Slavic cavalry. Just because in frontal clash they were always annihilated by Slavs just as it happened in Battle of Kulikovo when Mongols had to fight at the field located between two forests and had no room to maneuver.


LOL Mongols invaded a sea of Slavs with 40 thousand horsemen led by Subutai, they were outnumbered as fuck. Europeans always exaggerate their enemies numbers when they get fucked in the ass.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Rus'

30k Mongols + 40k Turkic auxiliaries vs a sea of Slav


By the way, don't be ridiculous. Infantry comprised the bulk of shitty slavic armies, there were heavy cavalry too. Which means slavic armies had nothing to do with steppe warfare, except for some Turko-Tatar influence in later period.

Shah-Jehan
03-12-2017, 10:49 PM
^ He isn't Danishmend or Gultekin. He's not even from Turkey.

Shah-Jehan
03-12-2017, 11:15 PM
He easily fools and trolls you guys on TA. You deserve his bullshits because it seems he's smarter than many members of TA. I'm done with this forum. Enjoy his posts and your stupidity.

Bro, he was here before or around same time as Danishmend. He's not him. Besides, I just looked back at your last couple posts, and it seems you guys basically agree on most of the same things, but worded differently (except the Slav part of course).

Coastal Elite
05-26-2019, 09:50 PM
Scythians are Slavs according to MyTrueAncestry.com .

Bosniensis
05-26-2019, 09:56 PM
Scythians are Slavs according to MyTrueAncestry.com .

... and Russian Academy of Science

When Genetics + Science, History, Culture agrees that means it's truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmeLVVtR0A

Dick
05-26-2019, 10:06 PM
Scythians are Slavs according to MyTrueAncestry.com .

Yes. All Slavs,south - east - west, get Scythian :thumb001:

Coastal Elite
05-26-2019, 10:06 PM
... and Russian Academy of Science

When Genetics + Science, History, Culture agrees that means it's truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmeLVVtR0A

Cool. I was looking for some videos on Scythians. I got Scythian on my MyTrueAncestry timeline but it wasn't my highest match, like yours.

Bosniensis
05-26-2019, 10:11 PM
Yes. All Slavs,south - east - west, get Scythian :thumb001:

However I1 and I2 Haplogroups aren't Scythian, we only mixed with Scythian who are R1a originally

We are usually mix of Gauls and Scythians, Paternally Gauls with heavy Scythian admixture (who are 20+% in western balkans)

So we are Gallo-Scythian people as historians ascribe in Herodotian denomination or Slavo-Vlach in modern terms.

Dick
05-26-2019, 10:20 PM
Cool. I was looking for some videos on Scythians. I got Scythian on my MyTrueAncestry timeline but it wasn't my highest match, like yours.

Yes you are of recent mixed ancestry but it also seems like we became mixed from the 600s AD and on, probably the most mixed of all Slavic peoples due to geography.


https://i.imgur.com/u5epANn.png

Coastal Elite
05-26-2019, 10:29 PM
Yes you are of recent mixed ancestry but it also seems like we became mixed from the 600s AD and on, probably the most mixed of all Slavic peoples due to geography.


https://i.imgur.com/u5epANn.png

I tried to convince my Romanian grandma that she is part Slavic. She'll get it one of these days.

PaleoEuropean
05-27-2019, 01:10 AM
The Slavs were an amalgamation of peoples, surely they had some Scythian interbreeding.

Lucas
05-27-2019, 08:57 AM
However I1 and I2 Haplogroups aren't Scythian, we only mixed with Scythian who are R1a originally

We are usually mix of Gauls and Scythians, Paternally Gauls with heavy Scythian admixture (who are 20+% in western balkans)

So we are Gallo-Scythian people as historians ascribe in Herodotian denomination or Slavo-Vlach in modern terms.

LOL, majority of Scythian samples on Gedmatch score Siberian all the time (except one sample from Hungary and one form Ukraine which could be only culturally Scythian). You are Turanid partly?
I think you mean Sarmatians, they were more Euro on average.