Iberians from nMonte Atlantic from 10% to 20% Moroccan/North African admixed

[Bell Beaker]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1HxVzk_qIwzZ2N2UDN3aE9wQnc/view



Interesting results. Specially the second tables.

Spaniards from Castilla-Leon score the biggest level of Moroccan/North African (20% pratically), while Basques lack it. Portuguese are the Western Iberians with highest level of Lengyel + Steppe + Western_HG......

[Tooting Carmen]

Wow.

[Petalpusher]

No, Onge + Yoruba isn't N.African. Onge might even come mostly from the steppe or in some cases, old paleo remnants.

Overall N.African is Yoruba x 5, as N.Africa's SSA average is 20%. But that's just a nMonte model, not admixture scores, it isn't the best way to quantify it.
Neareastern influence is "Levant_N", those who get more of it get less Mozabite and viceversa.

[Bell Beaker]

No, Onge + Yoruba isn't N.African. Onge might even come mostly from the steppe.

Overall N.African is Yoruba x 5, as N.Africa's SSA average is 20%. But that's just a nMonte model, not admixture scores, it isn't the best way to quantify it.

Were you familiar with this N_Monte clades and where they come from and their criteria....

[Petalpusher]

Were you familiar with this N_Monte clades and where they come from and their criteria....

Yes i ve read the eurogenes article. for some reasons the rest of the tables weren't loading, i see them now. It probably gives a broad idea, it's more or less on par with my estimations, but unless you specifically try to quantify N.African and nothing else, it can give shaky results as N.Africa is also made of neareastern dna, etc.. some of it can fall into one clade or the other, Levant_N or Mozabite. IBD is always gonna be more reliable than admixture for that.

[Bell Beaker]

Yes i ve read the eurogenes article. for some reasons the rest of the tables weren't loading, i see them now. It probably gives a broad idea, it's more or less on part with my estimations, but unless you specifically try to quantify N.African and nothing else, it can give shaky results as N.Africa is also made of neareastern dna, etc.. some of it can fall into one clade or the other, Levant_N or Mozabite.

So 20% Moroccan/North African might include North African neolithic and not all the later influeces we might have (Punic eras and Moorish times)?

I think most of it is the legacy of Ibero-Maurisian cultures.

[Ibericus]

That nMonte is not well built. That's because the "moroccan" component is trying to compensate for a lack of a near-east sample (Lengyel is not enough). Also all the Onge went there. Obviously it can't be 20% N.African, that would imply levels of 5-6% SSA. I've done myself nMontes and the N.African is more like 4-5% for whole Spain, which is in accordance with the SSA levels.

[Bell Beaker]

That nMonte is not well built. That's because the "moroccan" component is trying to compensate for a lack of a near-east sample (Lengyel is not enough). Also all the Onge went there. Obviously it can't be 20% N.African, that would imply levels of 5-6% SSA. I've done myself nMontes and the N.African is more like 4-5% for whole Spain, which is in accordance with the SSA levels.

Bare in mind that only one region in whole Iberia reaches the 20% figure (19,90%).

[Petalpusher]

So 20% Moroccan/North African might include North African neolithic and not all the later influeces we might have (Punic eras and Moorish times)?

I think most of it is the legacy of Ibero-Maurisian cultures.

It's always the sum of all periods. It depends which population you are using for your model and what K. Moroccans are less SSA than Mozabite, so it shows more "N.African" mechanically. Andalucia is likely more N.African than it is neareastern for example but the model cannot really detect that.

[Tietar]

Spaniards from Castilla-Leon score the biggest level of Moroccan/North African (20% pratically)

Castilla Leon is among the high IQ of europe and in the PISA report among the highest in the world, which seems to indicate that this is stupid.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uNBL7RCYByQ/TP_f0DTj9jI/AAAAAAAABfo/iguzAksEwAM/s1600/PISA+2009.png

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/europe-iq-1200-lynn20121.png

[Bell Beaker]

Castilla Leon is among the high IQ of europe and in the PISA report among the highest in the world, which seems to indicate that this is stupid.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uNBL7RCYByQ/TP_f0DTj9jI/AAAAAAAABfo/iguzAksEwAM/s1600/PISA+2009.png

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/europe-iq-1200-lynn20121.png

Is there any correlection between North African ancestry and IQ? :picard2:

[Ibericus]

He has updated the results, now it has been reduced by a half (still too high though, I'll explain later) :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1HxVzk_qIwzcXZmalNpYWR0WTQ/view

[Sikeliot]

To me, it appears Extremadura has the most North African... the Jordanian component is different.

For comparison we'd need other South Euros on there too (Sicily, south Italy, Greece, Tuscany and so on).

[Bell Beaker]

To me, it appears Extremadura has the most North African... the Jordanian component is different.

For comparison we'd need other South Euros on there too (Sicily, south Italy, Greece, Tuscany and so on).

Iberian regions by Indigenous European ancestry (according to nMonte):

Spanish Basques: 98,55%
Spanish Catalans: 94,85%
Spanish people from Basque Country (probably Spanish-Basques mixes): 94,55%
Spaniards from La Mancha: 93%
Balearic Spaniards: 90,20%
Aragonese Spaniards: 86,15%
Extremaduran Spaniards: 85,80%
Portuguese: 84,50%
Spaniards from Murcia: 84,40%
Spaniards from Cantabria: 84,30%
Spanish Andalucians: 83,40%
Spaniards from Valencia: 80,20%
Spaniards from Galicia: 77,80%
Spaniards from Castilla y Leon: 76,50%

[Sikeliot]

Iberian regions by Indigenous European ancestry (according to nMonte):

Spanish Basques: 98,55%
Spanish Catalans: 94,85%
Spanish people from Basque Country (probably Spanish-Basques mixes): 94,55%
Spaniards from La Mancha: 93%
Balearic Spaniards: 90,20%
Aragonese Spaniards: 86,15%
Extremaduran Spaniards: 85,80%
Portuguese: 85,50%
Spaniards from Murcia: 85,40%
Spaniards from Cantabria: 84,30%
Spanish Andalucians: 83,40%
Spaniards from Valencia: 80,20%
Spaniards from Galicia: 77,80%
Spaniards from Castilla y Leon: 76,50%

Interesting how some of the more outlying regions are those we assume to be the most Celtic and unmixed.

[Damião de Góis]

What's this nMonte? Never heard of it.

[Bell Beaker]

Interesting how some of the more outlying regions are those we assume to be the most Celtic and unmixed.

Well, I estimate Algarvians would score similar North African with the Extremadurans and the Northern Portuguese would be in the 86-87% figure who would put them more in a Aragonese area.

[Sikeliot]

I am surprised Balearic people are not more exotic.