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Óttar
03-11-2017, 10:50 PM
The Turkish ambassador has been denied the right to land in the Netherlands to campaign for the Turkish elections. Turks are going berserk. Turks are cordoning off the roads. The police cannot hold back the riots, the Dutch military has been called in. Turks are pouring into Rotterdam. The Feyenoord Hooligans are coming to do battle with the Turks.
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Charles Bronson
03-11-2017, 10:59 PM
Why not the Hooligans take a lot work for me, I don't like Erdogan and his followers.
Too many cops, nothing will happen.
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:05 PM
They have Turks yelling Takbir! and Allahu Snackbar! This is what happens when you allow a 5th column into your country.
Turkish minister blocked by Dutch police from entering Rotterdam Consulate (https://www.rt.com/news/380330-turkish-minister-blocked-police/)
Turkey's family affairs minister has said her convoy was blocked by Dutch police from entering the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam, Netherlands.
Kaya has been reportedly detained by the Dutch police and will be held at the consulate before being further escorted to Germany, RTL News reported.
“We were stopped at the Consulate General of Rotterdam 30 meters away and were not allowed to enter,” Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya wrote earlier on Twitter, adding that by denying her access to the building “Netherlands is violating all international laws, conventions and human rights.”
With mass rallies still ongoing at the consulate, the Dutch police asked Kaya to promptly leave the country for Germany, accompanied by a police convoy.
"You must go back to the German border,” the police told the minister, as reported by NOS correspondent Robert Bas.
However, the minister reportedly rejected the request, after police refused to let her address the protesters, NOS reported.
"Let me have five minutes to talk to my people," she asked.
Police are reportedly preparing to disperse the demonstration at the consulate. Units of the Dutch Special Intervention Service (DSI) have been spotted arriving at the site.
Anadolu reports that the Dutch police also blocked its correspondents along with reporters from Turkey’s TRT channel, who were with the minister to cover her visit.
Pro-Turkish demonstrators have gathered outside the Turkish Consulate in Rotterdam to protest the actions of the Dutch authorities. According to AP, some 100 people took to the streets to join the demonstration, while some eyewitnesses put their number at 500.
The demonstrators were waving Turkish national flags and standing near the consulate entrance. As the crowd grew, the Dutch police took additional security measures at the scene. The police officers put up railings to keep anyone from getting too close and deployed additional forces to the consulate, according to AP.
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:12 PM
I have made a thread about this in the Nederland section. Please merge.
Ok, so why was he blocked from entering?
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:16 PM
Ok, so why was he blocked from entering?
He is trying to influence the Turkish elections by rallying the 500,000 Turks in the Netherlands who can vote in them.
He is trying to influence the Turkish elections by rallying the 500,000 Turks in the Netherlands who can vote in them.
Why do the Dutch authorities care about turkish elections?
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:21 PM
Why do the Dutch authorities care about turkish elections?
Because Erdogan sucks fat nutsack.
Because Erdogan sucks fat nutsack.
That dosnt answer my question but ok whatever.
Turkey's Erdogan calls Dutch authorities 'Nazi remnants'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707
Turkey's Erdogan calls Dutch authorities 'Nazi remnants'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707
Oh well, nobody's perfect. At least the "Kanker Hollanders"(as they are called by muslim immigrants living there) aren't cucked Swedes.
That dosnt answer my question but ok whatever.
The main reason why this is happening, is because next week is elections in the Netherlands... and the Dutch Government is afraid to lose votes to Geert Wilders. So now they try to act more right-wing. It's all a charade.
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:31 PM
All those knuckle dragging Turks yelling 'Allahu Snackbar!' is proof that Turkey should never be let into the EU.
Pennywise
03-11-2017, 11:34 PM
That dosnt answer my question but ok whatever.
They don't care, Erdogan/AKP is trying to use Turkish immigrants in Europe for its own party propaganda and they don't allow it. You can't carry your inner politics into some other country.
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:36 PM
The main reason why this is happening, is because next week is elections in the Netherlands... and the Dutch Government is afraid to lose votes to Geert Wilders. So now they try to act more right-wing. It's all a charade.
Maybe this bodes well for Geert because the people will see what a danger having 500,000 Turks in the Netherlands can be. Having mobs of Turks cordoning off streets and yelling "Snackbar!" can't look good to the native Dutch.
Pennywise
03-11-2017, 11:36 PM
All those knuckle dragging Turks yelling 'Allahu Snackbar!' is proof that Turkey should never be let into the EU.
For an American, you seem to be unnecessarily pissed off by the current events. Why do you even care?
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:38 PM
For an American, you seem to be unnecessarily pissed off by the current events. Why do you even care?
Because I am an enemy of rat-faced fucks like Erdogan who promote Islamism anywhere in the world no matter where they may be.
The main reason why this is happening, is because next week is elections in the Netherlands... and the Dutch Government is afraid to lose votes to Geert Wilders. So now they try to act more right-wing. It's all a charade.
Do you think Geert will win?
Pennywise
03-11-2017, 11:41 PM
Because I am an enemy of rat-faced fucks like Erdogan who promote Islamism anywhere in the world no matter where they may be.
Wow, good luck on your personal crusade against Islam then. But mind that what's happening now has nohing to do with Islam or Islamism.
Do you think Geert will win?
He will probably win the largest share of the vote, but won't have an absolute majority. Dutch politicians usually have to form coalitions to rule, and the other parties don't want to be in a coalition with Wilders...
Óttar
03-11-2017, 11:45 PM
Wow, good luck on your personal crusade against Islam then. But mind that what's happening now has nohing to do with Islam or Islamism.
Like Hell it doesn't. Erdogan is a rat-faced Islamist who purged the soldiers who historically have defended the secular constitution of Turkey and all the reforms that Kemal fought for.
He will probably win the largest share of the vote, but won't have an absolute majority. Dutch politicians usually have to form coalitions to rule, and the other parties don't want to be in a coalition with Wilders...
Just like the idiom "going Dutch" xD
Pennywise
03-11-2017, 11:47 PM
Like Hell it doesn't. Erdogan is a rat-faced Islamist who purged the soldiers who historically have defended the secular constitution of Turkey and all the reforms that Kemal fought for.
It seems that you know nothing Ottar. Your opinions about Turkish politics is full of bias.
In a way I like the fact that Turkey is becoming estranged with its EU and NATO partners... and getting closer with Putin's Russia. Cooperation between Russia and Turkey is definitely mutually beneficial, and necessary. Turkey should leave NATO. Erdogan and Putin understand each other.
Óttar
03-12-2017, 12:20 AM
In a way I like the fact that Turkey is becoming estranged with its EU and NATO partners... and getting closer with Putin's Russia. Cooperation between Russia and Turkey is definitely mutually beneficial, and necessary. Turkey should leave NATO. Erdogan and Putin understand each other.
Good riddance. I don't want Turkey in NATO either. Turkey is the real supporter of DAESH. We should also kick out and level Saudi Arabia, but unfortunately that's not going to happen.
Pennywise
03-12-2017, 12:33 AM
Good riddance. I don't want Turkey in NATO either. Turkey is the real supporter of DAESH. We should also kick out and level Saudi Arabia, but unfortunately that's not going to happen.
Is that why IS comitting suicide bomb attacks in twice a year in Turkey? :icon_lol: Is that why Turkish Armed Forces fighting with IS in Syria since the last summer? Btw, did you know that you can't remove a country from NATO?
Óttar
03-12-2017, 12:36 AM
Is that why IS comitting suicide bomb attacks in twice a year in Turkey? :icon_lol: Is that why Turkish Armed Forces fighting with IS in Syria since the last summer? Btw, did you know that you can't remove a country from NATO?
How can you support Islamist Erdogan? You have grey wolf patches on the uniform. Which is it going to be? Tengri or Allah? You can't have both.
Pennywise
03-12-2017, 12:40 AM
How can you support Islamist Erdogan? You have grey wolf patches on the uniform. Which is it going to be? Tengri or Allah? You can't have both.
Dude, are you mentally challenged? Where did I support Erdogan? You're talking baseless shit about Turkey all the time and I'm merely pointing the facts.
Jehan
03-12-2017, 09:39 AM
Is it me or things start to be tense everywhere in Europe?
Is it the the start of something bigger?
Graham
03-12-2017, 09:54 AM
It's kind of pathetic to move to a new country, then protest in a nationalistic manner in it about your old one. Why are they in the Netherlands?
wvwvw
03-12-2017, 10:36 AM
Sparks between Turkey and Holland as Ottoman remnant, genocide denier, Erdoğan calls the Dutch 'Nazi remnants' :lol:
Mr Erdoğan reacted furiously to Holland's decision prevent his foreign minister from entering the country in order to hold a pro-government rally with Turkish citizens living in Rotterdam.
"They are very nervous and cowardly. They are Nazi remnants, they are fascists," the Turkish leader told a crowd of his supporters in Istanbul.
"There will be a stronger reprisal against the unacceptable treatment toward Turkey and ministers who have diplomatic immunity."
"We are of the opinion that Dutch public spaces are not the place for political campaigns of other countries," said Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister.
Other ministers spoke of possible sanctions against Holland and a Dutch diplomat was summoned to the foreign minister in Ankara for a reprimand.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/11/erdogan-calls-dutch-fascists-row-turkey-netherlands-escalates/
Ryujin
03-12-2017, 10:52 AM
The vast majority of immigrants in Netherlands etc. are all lost cases. They're like upgraded ultimate versions of uncultured AKP voters at home. That's what happens when you bring in thousands of unqualified, low-class monkeys to do the dirty work which the locals turn their nose up at.
The mayor of Rotterdam has made it clear that the Turkish government was well-informed that the Netherlands will not let foreign election propaganda at its own soil. Not to even mention that there's an article in the Turkish constitution that prohibits election propaganda at foreign soil. It's AKP that is trying to mold the public opinion for the referendum. This is a good sign; the fact that they even go as far as unnecessarily sabotaging the diplomatic relations with a country hints that there's not ENOUGH support for the referendum.
The No front is strong, and will prevail.
Next step: Throw away the Ankara Agreement in the trash can. We don't want these pro-Erdogan douchebags here.
Pennywise
03-12-2017, 06:40 PM
Next step: Throw away the Ankara Agreement in the trash can. We don't want these pro-Erdogan douchebags here.
How's that trade agreement has anything to do with Erdogan?
Why herr Tusk is so silent, where is Timmermans etc.? they instructing Poland quite recently
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c3fc15ebc5944fbba775e497d0edd6df/new-protests-erupt-warsaw-political-crisis-deepens
https://youtu.be/qJ_xHQ5nVeA
what's with democracy in The Netherlands?, lol
DarkSecret
03-12-2017, 07:27 PM
That seems to be a plot planned by Geert Wilders or the Dutch gov. and Erdogan. A win-win situation.
Petros Houhoulis
03-13-2017, 05:06 AM
The vast majority of immigrants in Netherlands etc. are all lost cases. They're like upgraded ultimate versions of uncultured AKP voters at home. That's what happens when you bring in thousands of unqualified, low-class monkeys to do the dirty work which the locals turn their nose up at.
The mayor of Rotterdam has made it clear that the Turkish government was well-informed that the Netherlands will not let foreign election propaganda at its own soil. Not to even mention that there's an article in the Turkish constitution that prohibits election propaganda at foreign soil. It's AKP that is trying to mold the public opinion for the referendum. This is a good sign; the fact that they even go as far as unnecessarily sabotaging the diplomatic relations with a country hints that there's not ENOUGH support for the referendum.
The No front is strong, and will prevail.
...But that is only going to turn Sultan Mad dog even MADDER!!!
Forget it boy, because you haven't realized yet that in this elections the trees and the rocks will vote too, along with the Syrian refugees, the Arab refugees, the ghost of the prophet Mohammed and plenty other undead creatures...
Petros Houhoulis
03-13-2017, 05:13 AM
That seems to be a plot planned by Geert Wilders or the Dutch gov. and Erdogan. A win-win situation.
...You lose either way...
decordoba
03-13-2017, 05:41 AM
Wait and see - what will be !
Colonel Frank Grimes
03-13-2017, 06:21 AM
Why do the Dutch authorities care about turkish elections?
I would be pissed if a Canadian politician made the rounds in the US to try to get Canadian ex-pats to vote for his party. I don't want the local police forced to be concerned over whether there will be an assassination attempt and cause an international scandal if there is one. All that money and man power wasted on a gawd damn foreigner instead of local needs.
If they want to vote between two Canadian fags they can go back to Canada and do it. No Canadian should be allowed to mail in their vote while living in the US. Fuck you, Canada.
Colonel Frank Grimes
03-13-2017, 06:33 AM
Is it me or things start to be tense everywhere in Europe?
Is it the the start of something bigger?
There certainly will be blood. The only positive is Melki will be beaten to death as he's trying to explain to his attackers how he's very open minded and loves diversity but that's the only positive I can see.
Governor
03-13-2017, 07:08 AM
Turks are gonna lose everything except Putin's friendship.
decordoba
03-13-2017, 10:32 AM
Why do the Dutch authorities care about turkish elections?
The Dutch authorities dont care about Turkish elections - but they do not allow Turkish fascist propaganda on their soil.
wvwvw
03-13-2017, 10:13 PM
Erdogan is calling Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, a pro-migration multiculturalist Leftist, a “Nazi” because he wouldn’t allow Turkish foreign minister and family minister to enter the country to campaign for Erdogan. So the Netherlands must behave like a colony of Turkey, or Erdogan will retaliate harshly.
One Nazi (Islamo-nazi) barks that another guys are “Nazis,” using threats and intimidation in truly Hitlerian fashion (by the way, Erdogan is a great admirer of the Fuhrer confessed at multiple instances). The world is indeed upside down.
Typical Mohammedan behaviour as reflected in Eight Pillars of Islam: Narcissism, Domination, Sadism, Projection, Deceit, Theft, Murder and War. Erdogan is the real Nazi (projection, deceit) in this story. The threat of retaliation reflects most, if not all, the other pillars.
https://youtu.be/2SagtnlJNy8
It is estimated that Erdogan has more agents in Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark than the east German Stasi had during the height of the cold war.
wvwvw
03-13-2017, 10:17 PM
The irony of Erdogan calling the Dutch “Nazis” when all the imagery of his political machine with the flags and chanting, and bullying tactics, is strongly reminiscent of 1930’s Nazi Brownshirts.
Voskos
03-13-2017, 10:23 PM
he got face controlled?
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 10:26 PM
Erdogan is calling Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, a pro-migration multiculturalist Leftist, a “Nazi” because he wouldn’t allow Turkish foreign minister and family minister to enter the country to campaign for Erdogan. So the Netherlands must behave like a colony of Turkey, or Erdogan will retaliate harshly.
One Nazi (Islamo-nazi) barks that another guys are “Nazis,” using threats and intimidation in truly Hitlerian fashion (by the way, Erdogan is a great admirer of the Fuhrer confessed at multiple instances). The world is indeed upside down.
Typical Mohammedan behaviour as reflected in Eight Pillars of Islam: Narcissism, Domination, Sadism, Projection, Deceit, Theft, Murder and War. Erdogan is the real Nazi (projection, deceit) in this story. The threat of retaliation reflects most, if not all, the other pillars.
https://youtu.be/2SagtnlJNy8
It is estimated that Erdogan has more agents in Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark than the east German Stasi had during the height of the cold war.
What an idiot. Yea because Christianity and Judaism is perfect for human rights and liberty. Hahahaha. What has religion to do with them? Stupid racist Geert, how can he generalize all muslim as enemies of freedom and human rights. There are dozens of sects of every religion and 99999 interpretations of them same as Islam. You can't just generalize all muslims. Mevlana was muslim too. What a moron. Perfect racist troll for apricity.
We have been in Europe for thousands of years and no racist idiot comment will change that.
Halgurd
03-13-2017, 10:32 PM
PROUD TO BE A DUTCH CITIZEN!
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 10:36 PM
What an idiot. Yea because Christianity and Judaism is perfect for human rights and liberty. Hahahaha. What has religion to do with them? Stupid racist Geert, how can he generalize all muslim as enemies of freedom and human rights. There are dozens of sects of every religion and 99999 interpretations of them same as Islam. You can't just generalize all muslims. Mevlana was muslim too. What a moron. Perfect racist troll for apricity.
We have been in Europe for thousands of years and no racist idiot comment will change that.
Yeah but he's got a point. We are not Europeans.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 10:55 PM
Yeah but he's got a point. We are not Europeans.
Racially? Thousands of years is enough to be of somewhere. Besides we don't belong to middle east and Asia completely either.
wvwvw
03-13-2017, 10:57 PM
What an idiot. Yea because Christianity and Judaism is perfect for human rights and liberty. Hahahaha. What has religion to do with them? Stupid racist Geert, how can he generalize all muslim as enemies of freedom and human rights. There are dozens of sects of every religion and 99999 interpretations of them same as Islam. You can't just generalize all muslims. Mevlana was muslim too. What a moron. Perfect racist troll for apricity.
We have been in Europe for thousands of years and no racist idiot comment will change that.
Not a valid comparison. Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations - the conquest and administration of territory, Christianity is only religion. Islam has a political aspect Islamization, Muslim immigration, mosque building, the proselytizing in prisons and military and the infiltration of non-muslim governmental institutions. There may be dozens of sects but Islam is one and cannot change. Individually a person who is born Muslim may not be an enemy of freedom and human rights but Islam as an ideology is.
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:01 PM
Racially? Thousands of years is enough to be of somewhere. Besides we don't belong to middle east and Asia completely either.
Both culturally and racially. We don't live in Europe nor originally from there.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:01 PM
Not a valid comparison. Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations - the conquest and administration of territory, Christianity is only religion. Islam has a political aspect Islamization, Muslim immigration, mosque building, the proselytizing in prisons and military and the infiltration of non-muslim governmental institutions. There may be dozens of sects but Islam is one and cannot change. Individually a person who is born Muslim may not be an enemy of freedom and uman rights but Islam as an ideology is.
Christianity and Judaism regulate your lives too. It doesn't matter that you don't practise them. Inquisition is a simple example and we are still secular. Judicial system and political system are not islamic here. There are many muslims believing secularism and Islam can exist together especially Turks.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:04 PM
Both culturally and racially. We don't live in Europe nor originally from there.
They are not originally from Europe either. Turkey and Turks politically, geographically European.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#Unified_Empire_under_Attila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
Both culturally and racially. We don't live in Europe nor originally from there.
That is debatable.
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:13 PM
They are not originally from Europe either. Turkey and Turks politically, geographically European.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#Unified_Empire_under_Attila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
You're saying to me Netherlanders are not European? How can you compare them with Turks in terms of Europeannes? Turkey only be called in "Eurosphere", we are not completely seperate from it but neither fully part of it.
That is debatable.
If it's were up to you to decide, we would have been straight Welsh and Swede due to our so called "Galatian and Varangian genes" bro.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:16 PM
You're saying to me Netherlanders are not European? How can you compare them with Turks in terms of Europeannes? Turkey only be called in "Eurosphere", we are not completely seperate from it but neither fully part of it.
If it's were up to you to decide, we would have been straight Welsh and Swede due to our so called "Galatian and Varangian genes" bro.
Okay what are we then huh?
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:18 PM
Okay what are we then huh?
We never really identified ourselves by geography. What makes you think we need such a thing?
Melki
03-13-2017, 11:18 PM
There certainly will be blood. The only positive is Melki will be beaten to death as he's trying to explain to his attackers how he's very open minded and loves diversity but that's the only positive I can see.
Beaten to death? Only in your sweet alt-right dreams, Grimey. I have friends everywhere in Turkey, from Istanbul to Kayseri, who always tell me: "buraya gel arkadaş, beraber bir çay içelim. İyilik, Sağlık ve Güzellik." I'm not sure they would be so friendly with you, though.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:22 PM
We never really identified ourselves by geography. What makes you think we need such a thing?
It's like living on Earth but feeling like from Mars. You can't ignore the facts forever and eventually Turkey will need to pick a side again.
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:27 PM
It's like living on Earth but feeling like from Mars. You can't ignore the facts forever and eventually Turkey will need to pick a side again.
Pick a side between whom? You're confusing terms together. If you really want a geographical description for Turks, we are Asian more than anything else.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:29 PM
Pick a side between whom? You're confusing terms together. If you really want a geographical description for Turks, we are Asian more than anything else.
Democracy, human rights and prosperity of Europe? Or blood, revenge, hate of middle east? Or maybe even big and empty plains of middle asia where people still try to erase the effect of communism. Pick your sides and goals wisely.
And if you like Ataturk:
"There are different cultures, but only one civilization, we Turks have always gone from east to west."
Atatürk
You're saying to me Netherlanders are not European? How can you compare them with Turks in terms of Europeannes? Turkey only be called in "Eurosphere", we are not completely seperate from it but neither fully part of it.
If it's were up to you to decide, we would have been straight Welsh and Swede due to our so called "Galatian and Varangian genes" bro.
Don't forget pre-Anatolian Scythian influence.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:38 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/parliaments-kings-and-tribal-councils-does-islamic-democracy-exist-a-573604-4.html
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:38 PM
Democracy, human rights and prosperity of Europe? Or blood, revenge, hate of middle east? Or maybe even big and empty plains of middle asia where people still try to erase the effect of communism. Pick your sides and goals wisely.
And if you like Ataturk:
"There are different cultures, but only one civilization, we Turks have always gone from east to west."
Atatürk
Turks should embrace Western values on certain things, right. But that doesn't make us Westerners/Europeans. That's what I meant by "confusing terms".
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:40 PM
Turks should embrace Western values on certain things, right. But that doesn't make us Westerners/Europeans. That's what I meant by "confusing terms".
I think you are confused like Turkish deep-state. Make your choice.
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:43 PM
I think you are confused like Turkish deep-state. Make your choice.
Neither Turks nor Laz have never been Europeans and they will never be so. You better deal with it. You're becoming an OWD.
Turks should embrace Western values on certain things, right. But that doesn't make us Westerners/Europeans. That's what I meant by "confusing terms".
How do the Chinese view the Turks? Therein might be a hint.
DarkSecret
03-13-2017, 11:50 PM
Neither Turks nor Laz have never been Europeans and they will never be so. You better deal with it. You're becoming an OWD.
That doesn't matter my friend, race is not important. Will you follow the Ataturk's path or turn your face to the east for the first time in Turkic history?
Colonel Frank Grimes
03-13-2017, 11:54 PM
Beaten to death? Only in your sweet alt-right dreams, Grimey. I have friends everywhere in Turkey, from Istanbul to Kayseri, who always tell me: "buraya gel arkadaş, beraber bir çay içelim. İyilik, Sağlık ve Güzellik." I'm not sure they would be so friendly with you, though.
I wasn't speaking of Turks. The large and rather difficult Muslim population in France is of mostly North African background. I was under the impression you were a Frenchman and not a Dutchman.
Pennywise
03-13-2017, 11:55 PM
How do the Chinese view the Turks? Therein might be a hint.
Didn't understand what you exactly mean. As far as I know, classic nationalists tend to dislike Turks, but mostly they're neutral.
That doesn't matter my friend, race is not important. Will you follow the Ataturk's path or turn your face to the east for the first time in Turkic history?
Atatürk never claimed Turks are Europeans. You seem to have a tendency to ignore his nationalist side.
DarkSecret
03-14-2017, 12:00 AM
Didn't understand what you exactly mean. As far as I know, classic nationalists tend to dislike Turks, but mostly they're neutral.
Atatürk never claimed Turks are Europeans. You seem to have a tendency to ignore his nationalist side.
He wanted his nation to join western-european civilization which is the only civilization in the world at the moment as he said which you cannot deny. You can still be nationalist and European.
Do you think he was pointing out the Chinese when he said muasır medeniyetler?
Pennywise
03-14-2017, 12:02 AM
He wanted his nation to join western-european civilization which is the only civilization in the world at the moment as he said which you cannot deny. You can still be nationalist and European.
You really have a misconception about what is being European. You can't be in the same club with them while most of them don't see you as one of them. Turks are outcasts for Europeans.
Didn't understand what you exactly mean. As far as I know, classic nationalists tend to dislike Turks, but mostly they're neutral.
I mean, do the Chinese view the Turks as European, or not?
Pennywise
03-14-2017, 12:06 AM
I mean, do the Chinese view the Turks as European, or not?
If you don't look Asian or a too dark person, you are "European" according to the Asians in general. But that's quite irrelevent.
DarkSecret
03-14-2017, 12:07 AM
You really have a misconception about what is being European. You can't be in the same club with them while most of them don't see you as one of them. Turks are outcasts for Europeans.
ok your opinion. Thanks.
Pennywise
03-14-2017, 12:10 AM
ok your opinion. Thanks.
That is the mere truth. Plain and objective.
Mikula
03-14-2017, 09:40 PM
The vast majority of immigrants in Netherlands etc. are all lost cases. They're like upgraded ultimate versions of uncultured AKP voters at home. That's what happens when you bring in thousands of unqualified, low-class monkeys to do the dirty work which the locals turn their nose up at.
The mayor of Rotterdam has made it clear that the Turkish government was well-informed that the Netherlands will not let foreign election propaganda at its own soil. Not to even mention that there's an article in the Turkish constitution that prohibits election propaganda at foreign soil. It's AKP that is trying to mold the public opinion for the referendum. This is a good sign; the fact that they even go as far as unnecessarily sabotaging the diplomatic relations with a country hints that there's not ENOUGH support for the referendum.
The No front is strong, and will prevail.
Cannot be the (very numerous) ex-pat Turks the "index hand" who will help Erdoğan to win, finally?
Unlike the people living in Turkey, who counts positives and negatives of AKP rule, what affected their lives in your country, the 2nd-3rd generations of ex-pats had not direct experience with life in the country of their ancestors. It will be easier for them to believe that voting YES, will prove their Turkish patriotism.
adsız
03-14-2017, 10:08 PM
edit.
DarkSecret
03-15-2017, 12:52 AM
Cannot be the (very numerous) ex-pat Turks the "index hand" who will help Erdoğan to win, finally?
Unlike the people living in Turkey, who counts positives and negatives of AKP rule, what affected their lives in your country, the 2nd-3rd generations of ex-pats had not direct experience with life in the country of their ancestors. It will be easier for them to believe that voting YES, will prove their Turkish patriotism.
Yea and what a bullshit.
Norka
03-15-2017, 01:13 AM
Turks need to settle the MENA in their blood. Become like us Euro mixed Turkics and chill the fuck out.
Pennywise
03-15-2017, 01:20 AM
Turks need to settle the MENA in their blood. Become like us Euro mixed Turkics and chill the fuck out.
Russians are basically the MENA's of Europe, I think it's as bad as (if not worse) mixing with Armenians, Iranians and etc.
Fears Russian Euro 2016 hooligans linked to government and are fighting Putin's 'hybrid warfare' (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fears-russian-euro-2016-hooligans-8229314)
Norka
03-15-2017, 01:34 AM
Russians are basically the MENA's of Europe, I think it's as bad as (if not worse) mixing with Armenians, Iranians and etc.
Fears Russian Euro 2016 hooligans linked to government and are fighting Putin's 'hybrid warfare' (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fears-russian-euro-2016-hooligans-8229314)
Yet you still don't don't see Tatars rioting in Europe.
Pennywise
03-15-2017, 01:35 AM
You don't see Tatars rioting in Europe.
Because most of them are living in Turkey. Especially the Crimean and Nogay Tatars.
Norse
03-15-2017, 01:39 AM
Erdogan is a blessing to Europe.
He will force war and then we can take Constantinople.
Pennywise
03-15-2017, 01:41 AM
Erdogan is a blessing to Europe.
He will force war and then we can take Constantinople.
First, you better save your sister from your Paki neighbor you Norwegian cuck, lel.
Norka
03-15-2017, 01:49 AM
Because most of them are living in Turkey. Especially the Crimean and Nogay Tatars.
I agree many Nogay and Crimeans live in Turkey but there are other Tatar groups who live in Russia and Europe who don't cause trouble in their country of residence Turks however cause a scene and imo are more dramatic and emotional people compared to a lot of Tatar groups which I think may lead to misunderstandings.
Pennywise
03-15-2017, 02:03 AM
I agree many Nogay and Crimeans live in Turkey but there are other Tatar groups who live in Russia and Europe who don't cause trouble in their country of residence Turks however cause a scene and imo are more dramatic and emotional people compared to a lot of Tatar groups which I think may lead to misunderstandings.
Simply because Tatars who live in other European countries are just a bunch of people and don't under the same political influence as Turks. If they had enough numbers and proper political motivation, they would have been rioting too. Why not? Your comment may not be serious but this has nothing to do with MENAs, Europeans, haplogroups and Gedmatch scores.
Fears Russian Euro 2016 hooligans linked to government and are fighting Putin's 'hybrid warfare' (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fears-russian-euro-2016-hooligans-8229314)
Russian ultras kicking English butt? I love it.
adsız
03-16-2017, 08:56 AM
The main reason why this is happening, is because next week is elections in the Netherlands... and the Dutch Government is afraid to lose votes to Geert Wilders. So now they try to act more right-wing. It's all a charade.
And, it worked for both.
Rutte won elections.
The pro-erdoğan "yes" supporters increased by 2%.
wvwvw
03-16-2017, 09:38 AM
Unfortunately for the Dutch cows
Turkey deports Dutch cows
Turkeys ongoing spat with the Netherlands is fast descending into the absurd. Members of Turkeys Association of Red Meat Producers loaded 40 Dutch Holstein cows onto a truck and sent them packing to Holland to protest Dutch authorities' refusal to allow Turkish officials to campaign on Dutch soil for the constitutional referendum that would further empower Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Bulent Tunc, the association's president, told the mass circulation Hurriyet, We sent a symbolic number of animals. If they [the Dutch] do not accept them, we will slaughter them and give away [the meat].
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-netherlands-dispute-animals-sanctions-europe.html#ixzz4bTpa8qGx
Mikula
03-16-2017, 09:52 AM
Unfortunately for the Dutch cows
Turkey deports Dutch cows
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-netherlands-dispute-animals-sanctions-europe.html#ixzz4bTpa8qGx
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DarkSecret
03-16-2017, 06:21 PM
Unfortunately for the Dutch cows
Turkey deports Dutch cows
Turkey’s ongoing spat with the Netherlands is fast descending into the absurd. Members of Turkey’s Association of Red Meat Producers loaded 40 Dutch Holstein cows onto a truck and sent them packing to Holland to protest Dutch authorities' refusal to allow Turkish officials to campaign on Dutch soil for the constitutional referendum that would further empower Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Bulent Tunc, the association's president, told the mass circulation Hurriyet, “We sent a symbolic number of animals. If they [the Dutch] do not accept them, we will slaughter them and give away [the meat].”
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-netherlands-dispute-animals-sanctions-europe.html#ixzz4bTpa8qGx
you defeated Osmanlispor will you defeat Besiktas?
And, it worked for both.
Rutte won elections.
The pro-erdoğan "yes" supporters increased by 2%.
Indeed! I wouldn't be surprised if there was some secret arrangement between the two. They both benefitted immensely from this.
Unfortunately for the Dutch cows
Turkey deports Dutch cows
Turkey’s ongoing spat with the Netherlands is fast descending into the absurd. Members of Turkey’s Association of Red Meat Producers loaded 40 Dutch Holstein cows onto a truck and sent them packing to Holland to protest Dutch authorities' refusal to allow Turkish officials to campaign on Dutch soil for the constitutional referendum that would further empower Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Bulent Tunc, the association's president, told the mass circulation Hurriyet, “We sent a symbolic number of animals. If they [the Dutch] do not accept them, we will slaughter them and give away [the meat].”
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-netherlands-dispute-animals-sanctions-europe.html#ixzz4bTpa8qGx
What does 40 symbolize? :confused:
Mikula
03-16-2017, 09:57 PM
What does 40 symbolize? :confused:
Ask Ali Baba
DarkSecret
03-16-2017, 10:15 PM
What does 40 symbolize? :confused:
It's like 13 in Turkish and Islamic culture but emphasizes the importance of something not the evilness.
adsız
03-17-2017, 12:07 AM
Indeed! I wouldn't be surprised if there was some secret arrangement between the two. They both benefitted immensely from this.
Very possible. Politicians can do anything.. no shame.
Erdoğan's party is now milking this incident very well. They say;
Look, the europe is so fascist, they dont want us to talk to our citiziens abroad, no democrasy in there, we are under attack from all over the world and such things..
DarkSecret
03-17-2017, 05:31 PM
Very possible. Politicians can do anything.. no shame.
Erdoğan's party is now milking this incident very well. They say;
Look, the europe is so fascist, they dont want us to talk to our citiziens abroad, no democrasy in there, we are under attack from all over the world and such things..
Yea thanks to MHP always helping AKP in dire need.
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