The Illyrian Warrior's Family Finder/My Origins results

[The Illyrian Warrior]

http://i68.tinypic.com/14demie.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/23tgw9z.jpg

Waiting for my results to be completed soon in order to see who my closest relatives are also transfer my raw datas in DNAland and other calculators.....Will keep update on this. :)

[Egyptian]

ME 21% ?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

ME 21% ?

Almost all Balkanites score considerable amount of Asia Minor but that's from ancient source not recent one. :)

[Vascontelo]

What batch do you had? I am waiting since february my results :(

[Dema]

nice, congrats!

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What batch do you had? I am waiting since february my results :(

batch number 720....they were really slow on familyfinder results, I for instance had to wait a month and a half.

[Lek]

Still no Albo or Greek here has beaten my 80% European :)))))

[Vascontelo]

batch number 720....they were really slow on familyfinder results, I for instance had to wait a month and a half.

I'm in batch 720 too. I hope these results could be ready this week because i am tired of wait.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Still no Albo or Greek here has beaten my 80% European :)))))

I had your thread in mind when I saw my results....And going by this (not finalized yet) results I'm confident that we will plot next to each other, I think you'd be my closest cousin. ;)


I'm in batch 720 too. I hope these results could be ready this week because i am tired of wait.

I think they are still proceeding results from that batch, this delaying is result of huge number of orders which had happen during Christmas hence why our family finder results have taken so long. (you have many complaining about previous batches too).....Just have patience because your results will come out soon, no worry.

[Petalpusher]

Do Gedmatch so you can be added to the K15 cluster of Albo, it's the best thing to compare with others, you ll ever get.

[Kelmendasi]

Still no Albo or Greek here has beaten my 80% European :)))))
Xhak Bauer has hasn't he?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Do Gedmatch so you can be added to the K15 cluster of Albo, it's the best thing to compare with others, you ll ever get.

I'm still waiting ftdna to complete my results to be able to transfer my raw data in gedmatch....When completed would do right away. :)

[Kelmendasi]

Almost all Balkanites score considerable amount of Asia Minor but that's from ancient source not recent one. :)
It could be just that the autosomal on family finder is bad for Balkanites as there isn't a Balkan category. Also every Albo I have seen scores only Asia minor when it comes to non-European maybe this is due to the whole categorization thing I mentioned before

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It could be just that the autosomal on family finder is bad for Balkanites as there isn't a Balkan category. Also every Albo I have seen scores only Asia minor when it comes to non-European maybe this is due to the whole categorization thing I mentioned before

When they will update my origin hopefully they will fix this issue aswell, 23andme is more specific and more accurate for Balkanites apparently, still Asia Minor defines ancient source not recent one but surely makes abit confusing and totally unnecessity when could easily be lumped into broad southern european category.

[Dick]

When they will update my origin hopefully they will fix this issue aswell, 23andme is more specific and more accurate for Balkanites apparently, still Asia Minor defines ancient source not recent one but surely makes abit confusing and totally unnecessity when could easily be lumped into broad southern european category.

There's east euro hidden in the balkan at 23andme which is why albos are getting a chunk of east euro on ftdna. Anyway, there's supposed to be a balkan category at ftdna when they update apparently this month but it's probably bs as usual from them.

[Kelmendasi]

When they will update my origin hopefully they will fix this issue aswell, 23andme is more specific and more accurate for Balkanites apparently, still Asia Minor defines ancient source not recent one but surely makes abit confusing and totally unnecessity when could easily be lumped into broad southern european category.
Exactly the Southern European category is very broad and mainly is associated with the south-western half of Europe judging by the map. I think they will improve their autosomal quality with further updates and perhaps they will also add a Balkan category which would be nice

[Kelmendasi]

There's east euro hidden in the balkan at 23andme which is why albos are getting a chunk of east euro on ftdna. Anyway, there's supposed to be a balkan category at ftdna when they update apparently this month but it's probably bs as usual from them.
Shit man I hope it isn't BS. Yh I agree with you and I think that the Balkan category is mainly comprised of Southern European, Eastern European and Asia minor which may be the reason why Balkanites always score these three

[Dick]

Shit man I hope it isn't BS. Yh I agree with you and I think that the Balkan category is mainly comprised of Southern European, Eastern European and Asia minor which may be the reason why Balkanites always score these three

i think the asia minor at ftdna is basically caucasus, not middle east

[The Illyrian Warrior]

There's east euro hidden in the balkan at 23andme which is why albos are getting a chunk of east euro on ftdna. Anyway, there's supposed to be a balkan category at ftdna when they update apparently this month but it's probably bs as usual from them.

I'm not putting much hope either, I think they will make some trivial cosmetics and not a needed overhaul of the system.

[Kelmendasi]

i think the asia minor at ftdna is basically caucasus, not middle east
What so Indo-European maybe?

[Dick]

I'm not putting much hope either, I think they will make some trivial cosmetics and not a needed overhaul of the system.

tbh, i dont understand their asia minor. make it part of south euro(mediterranean) i dont believe there should be a balkans category either.

[Dick]

What so Indo-European maybe?

No idea man, the myorigins was made by some Indian dude.

[Kelmendasi]

tbh, i dont understand their asia minor. make it part of south euro(mediterranean) i dont believe there should be a balkans category either.
Why not?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

tbh, i dont understand their asia minor. make it part of south euro(mediterranean) i dont believe there should be a balkans category either.

There's plenty better options than present such as breakdown southern europe into two categories west/east mediterranean for eg.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

No idea man, the myorigins was made by some Indian dude.

Is it the same dude who created my ancient origin feature?

[Dick]

Why not?

malta is also included as samples in the balkan category at 23andme.

[Dick]

Is it the same dude who created my ancient origin feature?

i'm pretty sure he's the one that updated it the last time they had an update.

[Lek]

Xhak Bauer has hasn't he?

He hasn't tested on ftdna yet :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

i'm pretty sure he's the one that updated it the last time they had an update.

His MAI was really confusing, non europeans seem to score higher MAI then Europeans, I think he included other components besides of yamnaya under this category.

[Dick]

His MAI was really confusing, non europeans seem to score higher MAI then Europeans, I think he included other components besides of yamnaya under this category.

Indians get alot. maybe he wanted to prove they're the true aryans xD

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Congratulations on your results. Your ancient origins is almost a copy\paste of mine.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Indians get alot. maybe he wanted to prove they're the true aryans xD

Their OWD syndrome is showing beyond TA. xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Congratulations on your results. Your ancient origins is almost a copy\paste of mine.

Thanks, what scores you got?

[Lek]

tbh, i dont understand their asia minor. make it part of south euro(mediterranean) i dont believe there should be a balkans category either.

I don't understand their east European either. It's basically associated with different ethnic groups on their site it says, Slavs, Balts, Germanics, Scandinavians and Indo Iranian steppe. Most Albanians get a decent amount of it. They told me they just match your DNA with the closest ethnic groups in their database. You might not even have ancestry from there.

Maybe some of it falls under Balkan too. While some might be Slavic, Gothic or whatever.

A Balkan category or something alike would make sense imo because it would differiate between south euro regions i.e Iberian, Italian, Balkan etc rather than just south euro.

I don't think this test right now is best for Balkanites. They need to update it.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thanks, what scores you got?

13% Metal Age Invader
58% Farmer
27% Hunter-Gatherer
2% Non-European

[Dick]

I don't understand their east European either. It's basically associated with different ethnic groups on their site it says, Slavs, Balts, Germanics, Scandinavians and Indo Iranian steppe. Most Albanians get a decent amount of it. They told me they just match your DNA with the closest ethnic groups in their database.

Maybe some of it falls under Balkan too. While some might be Slavic or whatever.

A Balkan category or something alike would make sense imo because it would differiate between south euro regions i.e Iberian, Italian, Balkan etc rather than just south euro.

Dunno, i dont even know what kind of snps, or why they differ, are used to even differentiate between iberian, balkan etc. for autosmal testing

[Kelmendasi]

He hasn't tested on ftdna yet :)
Didn't he upload to Ftdna or was that a fake result hehehehehehe?

[Lek]

I had your thread in mind when I saw my results....And going by this (not finalized yet) results I'm confident that we will plot next to each other, I think you'd be my closest cousin. ;)



I think they are still proceeding results from that batch, this delaying is result of huge number of orders which had happen during Christmas hence why our family finder results have taken so long. (you have many complaining about previous batches too).....Just have patience because your results will come out soon, no worry.

Yeah, we do get very similar results especially ancient origins. Had that finnish and Siberian fallen under east euro we would of had almost same results again.

You might plot around the area of me, fustan and Nilotik. But we would have to see your gedmatch to make a conclusion.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yeah, we do get very similar results especially ancient origins. Had that finnish and Siberian fallen under east euro we would of had almost same results again.

You might plot around the area of me, fustan and Nilotik. But we would have to see your gedmatch to make a conclusion.

I think Finish & Siberian component is byproduct why I got a point higher Hunter-Gatherer then you, but yeah, I'm up there with you guys I think.

[Dick]

Their OWD syndrome is showing beyond TA. xD

maybe it's that guy Ross :D

[The Illyrian Warrior]

maybe it's that guy Ross :D

Imagine being same person out of spite makes curries more Indo European then Europeans, that'd be comedy gold. :D

[Kelmendasi]

According to ftdna this is what Asia minor represents, it mentions Phrygians as being part of this cluster although they were Balkan in origin:
The Asia Minor group is present from South Asia, Turkey, the Caucasus, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west and back again, along what would become the Silk Road. The Asia Minor group is connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa, they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.

Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygians, the Hurrians, the Hittites, the Hatti, and the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought members of the Eastern Middle East group to the southern borders of the Asia Minor. We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile Crescent and people from the Caucasus. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of the Asia Minor group, suggesting that their genes are native to the region.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

According to ftdna this is what Asia minor represents, it mentions Phrygians as being part of this cluster although they were Balkan in origin:
The Asia Minor group is present from South Asia, Turkey, the Caucasus, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west and back again, along what would become the Silk Road. The Asia Minor group is connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa, they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.

Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygians, the Hurrians, the Hittites, the Hatti, and the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought members of the Eastern Middle East group to the southern borders of the Asia Minor. We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile Crescent and people from the Caucasus. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of the Asia Minor group, suggesting that their genes are native to the region.

Most likely Caucasus for Balkanites, as Dick pointed out earlier.

[Kelmendasi]

Most likely Caucasus for Balkanites, as Dick pointed out earlier.
Yeah I think so as well

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Now I can upload my raw data into other calculators but only after I finish my work, my closest matches were as expected majority Albanians, some south slavs, greeks and few others, most common surname matches were foreign however: Smith, Schneider, I don't know if this got to do with our shared E-V13 haplogroup.

PS. I think my closest TA matches I got, is IceT and Olive Picker as my 2-4th cousin and 3-5th cousin respectively....Like I alluded.

[Lek]

Now I can upload my raw data into other calculators but only after I finish my work, my closest matches were as expected majority Albanians, some south slavs, greeks and few others, most common surname matches were foreign however: Smith, Schneider, I don't know if this got to do with our shared E-V13 haplogroup.

PS. I think my closest TA matches I got, is IceT and Olive Picker as my 2-4th cousin and 3-5th cousin respectively....Like I alluded.

Yeah, you're one of my closest matches 2nd-4th cousin :D it says you're 79% European there.

Those Slavs are south Slavs / Montenigrins, right?

[DarknessWin]

Almost all Balkanites score considerable amount of Asia Minor but that's from ancient source not recent one. :)

Bullshit, Greeks score max 1% Asia Minor.
Change your name to Armenian Warrior now

[Kelmendasi]

Bullshit, Greeks score max 1% Asia Minor.
Change your name to Armenian Warrior now
As I have said before in this thread; the Asia minor is an error due to their not being a Balkan category or it is just Caucasus(Indo-European) as Dick pointed out, have you ever seen a Greek test on Ftdna to come to such a conclusion?

[Lek]

Bullshit, Greeks score max 1% Asia Minor.
Change your name to Armenian Warrior now

Go do a test and let's see your 1% Asia Minor lol. You wont even score more than 70%-75% European

Greeks, Bulgarians and even some other south slavs score as much or even more Asia minor. This isn't 23andme. His Asia Minor isn't even that high compared to the average neither his East Euro or mine.

I get 20% East Euro and 20% Asia Minor. That's below average.

[Lek]

As I have said before in this thread; the Asia minor is an error due to their not being a Balkan category or it is just Caucasus(Indo-European) as Dick pointed out, have you ever seen a Greek test on Ftdna to come to such a conclusion?

They have updated it before and they will update it again. It used to be better imo looking at old results but still meaningless components. Let's hope they improve it.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yeah, you're one of my closest matches 2nd-4th cousin :D it says you're 79% European there.

Yeah ahahaha like I assumed at first and turn out I was right. (got Fustan as my cuz too but abit more distant then you) :D That unassigned one percentage turns out to be 'European' I guess.


Those Slavs are south Slavs / Montenigrins, right?

According to first page so far I got a serb or two, a Slovene, a Greek and even a Russian, whereas the rest all Albanians....it's interesting to note, the ones I'm closely related are mostly R1b, J2b and one I1 (Albanian), got only one E-V13 from the first seen page. :)

PS. Just uploaded my raw data to gedmatch & DNA land.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Bullshit, Greeks score max 1% Asia Minor.
Change your name to Armenian Warrior now

If we place a bet I'd win the bet easily if I said that Greeks would score 25+% Asia Minor in ftdna, you should know that this component is not Turkish neither Armenian.

I even score below Greek/Albanian average FYI.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Eurogene K15
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21jvryt.jpg
Gedrosia K15
http://oi68.tinypic.com/23h7ukx.jpg
Dodecad K7b
http://i66.tinypic.com/4kw8sm.jpg

[Ylla]

Typical Albanian results. Congrats btw :cool:

[Dema]

Hey man, have you got some Albo match from TA?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Hey man, have you got some Albo match from TA?

Yes, I got IceT and Olive Picker/Fustan.

[Petalpusher]

Eurogene K15
http://oi67.tinypic.com/21jvryt.jpg
Gedrosia K15
http://oi68.tinypic.com/23h7ukx.jpg
Dodecad K7b
http://i66.tinypic.com/4kw8sm.jpg

Right in the core of the Albanian cluster, between Tuscan and Bulgarian.


Gedrosia K15 is not a good calculator. In the Gedrosia section the good ones are K10 chg and K6 ane.

[Dema]

Yes, I got IceT and Olive Picker/Fustan.

Damn looks like you and me are not connected, i went thru my matches now..
Even tho i get Ice T very close i dont get Olive picker, and you must have been connected thru that side of Olive Picker which i dont get.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Right in the core of the Albanian cluster, between Tuscan and Bulgarian.


Gedrosia K15 is not a good calculator. In the Gedrosia section the good ones are K10 chg and K6 ane.

I haven't looked to much about calculators when I uploaded raw data, exp. eurogenes k15 which was suggested by you and few other Albanians.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Damn looks like you and me are not connected, i went thru my matches now..
Even tho i get Ice T very close i dont get Olive picker, and you must have been connected thru that side of Olive Picker which i dont get.

That Drenica connection is pretty much I can think of, three of us have roots from that region, IceT is fully drenicak while Fustan and I have our maternal side from there.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Gedrosia ANE K6

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 47.25
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 34.66
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 16.16
4 East_Asian 1.08
5 Sub_Saharan 0.57
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 2.67
2 Greek 4.46
3 Bulgarian 6.06
4 Sicilian 6.31
5 Romanian 7.09
6 Italian_South 7.57
7 Jew_Ashkenazi 8.2
8 Spanish 9.56
9 Croatian 10.67
10 Jew_Moroccan 12.73
11 Sardinian 12.81
12 French 13.05
13 Hungarian 13.75
14 Jew_Libyan 13.9
15 Jew_Tunisian 14.88
16 English 16.11
17 Czech 16.18
18 Armenia_ChL 16.37
19 Basque 16.47
20 Scottish 17.38

Eurasia K10 CHG

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 28.14
2 Anatolian_Farmers 26.22
3 CHG 25.3
4 SW_Asian 11.4
5 EHG 8.67
6 W_African 0.19
7 E_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 2.69
2 Tuscan 4.3
3 Greek 4.63
4 Bulgarian 4.68
5 Sicilian 8.87
6 Maltese 11.01
7 Spanish 11.87
8 Croatian 12.86
9 French 14.45
10 Hungarian 16.53
11 French_South 17.26
12 English 19.35
13 Czech 20.22
14 Scottish 20.66
15 Turkish 22.7
16 Norwegian 22.79
17 Ukrainian 22.91
18 Cypriot 23.03
19 Sardinian 23.71
20 Icelandic 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% Tuscan + 9.3% Scythian_IA @ 1.55
2 95.2% Albanian + 4.8% Srubnaya @ 1.58
3 94% Albanian + 6% RISE_baSin @ 1.6
4 96.6% Albanian + 3.4% RISE_baAndrov @ 1.67
5 66.6% Bulgarian + 33.4% Sicilian @ 1.69
6 93.9% Tuscan + 6.1% RISE_baAndrov @ 1.7
7 89.5% Tuscan + 10.5% RISE_baSin @ 1.71
8 95% Albanian + 5% Scythian_IA @ 1.72
9 91.7% Tuscan + 8.3% Srubnaya @ 1.77
10 97.5% Albanian + 2.5% Potapovka @ 1.79
11 98% Albanian + 2% Karelia_HG @ 1.8
12 98% Albanian + 2% Poltavka @ 1.8
13 98% Albanian + 2% RISE_baAfan @ 1.8
14 98% Albanian + 2% Samara_Eneolithic @ 1.8
15 98% Albanian + 2% Yamnaya @ 1.8
16 73.3% Sicilian + 26.7% Icelandic @ 1.94
17 69% Sicilian + 31% English @ 1.97
18 72.4% Sicilian + 27.6% Norwegian @ 1.97
19 59.5% Sicilian + 40.5% Croatian @ 1.99
20 88.4% Greek + 11.6% Lithuanian @ 2.02

[Ylla]

Yes, I got IceT and Olive Picker/Fustan.

What about me?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What about me?

I will check out if I spot you but so far I've found only IceT and Fustan. :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

My DNA.land score
http://i66.tinypic.com/2yjrcba.jpg

[Dema]

lol 58% Balkan, same as me. Congrats, nice components. Interesting.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

lol 58% Balkan, same as me. Congrats, nice components. Interesting.

Look my siberian compenent, some of my distant ancestors seem to be really fond of hunting reindeers. xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

PCA plot map (Eurogene k15)
http://i67.tinypic.com/33bd9ir.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm between Tuscan-Greek Thesaly and Bulgaria, only abit more gravitated to Bulgarians.

[Lek]

PCA plot map (Eurogene k15)
http://i67.tinypic.com/33bd9ir.jpg

You plot south of me. Get someone to add you on to the map where other Albos are

[The Illyrian Warrior]

You plot south of me. Get someone to add you on to the map where other Albos are

Send to Skerdi also posted in foleja, speaking of Skerdi, I think I'm closest to him on PCA just slightly more northwestern shifted than him.

[Lek]

Send to Skerdi also posted in foleja, speaking of Skerdi, I think I'm closest to him on PCA just slightly more northwestern shifted than him.

Has he gotten his familyfinder results yet? I should be matching him there.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Has he gotten his familyfinder results yet? I should be matching him there.

I dunno, we should not forget that those tested in 23andme can upload their rawdata in ftdna too....It should have been other way around too. :(

[Kelmendasi]

I dunno, we should not forget that those tested in 23andme can upload their rawdata in ftdna too....It should have been other way around too. :(
Hopefully they will allow us to upload to 23andme in the future

[Lek]

PCA plot map (Eurogene k15)
http://i67.tinypic.com/33bd9ir.jpg

Easier to look / determine

http://oi63.tinypic.com/289zseh.jpg


You seem south of Nilotik who isn't on this map but is as north as me only eastern

[Lek]

I dunno, we should not forget that those tested in 23andme can upload their rawdata in ftdna too....It should have been other way around too. :(

Yeah, man. That sucks. 23andme is overpriced.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yeah, man. That sucks. 23andme is overpriced.

Is it true that uploading rawdata of 23andme in ftdna and sending your saliva directly to ftdna would show different results?

[Lek]

Is it true that uploading rawdata of 23andme in ftdna and sending your saliva directly to ftdna would show different results?

I'm not sure. But you see people get different results on DNA land with 23andme and ftdna data.

[safinator]

Pretty typical results for Albanians.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Pretty typical results for Albanians.

Have you seen a PCA map made by me in foleja, if not I plot closest to Kosovar Albanian average.

[Ylla]

PCA plot map (Eurogene k15)
http://i67.tinypic.com/33bd9ir.jpg

Cool!!! You are similar like IceT And Olivepicker

Im a little more south than you guys :P

[safinator]

Have you seen a PCA map made by me in foleja, if not I plot closest to Kosovar Albanian average.

I just checked it and actually you're by the eye test around the average placement of many Albos.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Cool!!! You are similar like IceT And Olivepicker

Im a little more south than you guys :P

Yeah something like that, I made this map to see how we two stand (TIW - me) and you
http://i67.tinypic.com/eufzgg.jpg

This is Kosovar average where you were not included.
http://i67.tinypic.com/ohlta0.jpg

[Dema]

I am pretty close to Tuscans, me like that.

[Pjeter Pan]

Congrats fam. Whats ur ydna

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Congrats fam. Whats ur ydna

Look who's back. :D

Thanks my nigga....I'm E-V13. :)

[Pjeter Pan]

Look who's back. :D

Thanks my nigga....I'm E-V13. :)

I knew it. You look ev13 :p

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I knew it. You look ev13 :p

I remember you when you said it to me before that I'm E-V13 and you turned out to be right.

Anyways where have you been? Don't tell me you were busy convincing your father not arrange a marriage for you. :D

[Pjeter Pan]

I remember you when you said it to me before that I'm E-V13 and you turned out to be right.

Anyways where have you been? Don't tell me you were busy convincing your father not arrange a marriage for you. :D
I'm never wrong...

Man I'm already engaged..

[Kriptc06]

There's east euro hidden in the balkan at 23andme which is why albos are getting a chunk of east euro on ftdna. Anyway, there's supposed to be a balkan category at ftdna when they update apparently this month but it's probably bs as usual from them.

as usual

[Ylla]

Yeah something like that, I made this map to see how we two stand (TIW - me) and you
http://i67.tinypic.com/eufzgg.jpg

This is Kosovar average where you were not included.
http://i67.tinypic.com/ohlta0.jpg

Nice thanks! I think all of us Kosovars are the same and minor differences can be attributed to calc effect or natural variation. Can you post your european breakdown on 23andme? I want to see balkan percent and to compare to mine::

http://i66.tinypic.com/mk98w5.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm never wrong...

Man I'm already engaged..

Congrats. :D

[The Illyrian Warrior]

PCA map with all tested Albanian TA members - Eurogenes v2 K15.
http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

PCA map with all tested Albanian TA members - Eurogenes v2 K15.
http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg
Now let's see where I will plot ;)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Now let's see where I will plot ;)

Something tells me you'll be right next to Fustan.

[Kelmendasi]

Something tells me you'll be right next to Fustan.
Let's see brother :)