5% West Asian, or 1% SSA

[Wrong]

If you had to pick, what would you have?

[Era]

1% ssa would look better I think.

[Voskos]

lol

[Friends of Oliver Society]

1% SSA. That way you can claim to be Black and it'll make it much easier to get into an elite US universities where they lower the standard for Blacks to allow for more student diversity.

[Annie999]

1% ssa would look better I think.

5% of something will never show on a phenotype (if that's what you meant)

[Antimage]

1% SSA. That way you can claim to be Black and it'll make it much easier to get into an elite US universities where they lower the standard for Blacks to allow for more student diversity.

Would they really accept an 1% ssa person as black? At what point do they start counting people as black?

[Kriptc06]

both :cool:

[Wrong]

both :cool:Only 1 pick man.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/966564485ba67b78c38e9a8091c024c3/tumblr_na3c0vkmS51tj6tjto1_500.gif

[Sikeliot]

I have between 1-2% SSA and more West Asian than this. What now.

[Era]

I have between 1-2% SSA and more West Asian than this. What now.

In gedmatch or 23andme?

[crazyladybutterfly]

I WOULDNT CARE ABOUT EITHER

[Wrong]

I have between 1-2% SSA and more West Asian than this. What now.
Let's say you had 0% of both before making the pick.

[Antimage]

5% of something will never show on a phenotype

On individual level it may not show, but I think a genetically 100% swedish population will look different on avarage from a genetically 95% swede 5% ssa population. I would expect the latter group to be a bit darker, higher frequency of curly hair etc.

[Sikeliot]

In gedmatch or 23andme?

Most tests I take give me varying ranges but they come close to what is indicated.

[Sikeliot]

Let's say you had 0% of both before making the pick.

West Asian. If I had no West Asian score come up, I'd think I wasn't really Sicilian. If I had no SSA I'd think, maybe my Cape Verdean side was just white Portuguese people there for trade. Having no West Asian would greater disrupt my sense of my ethnicity.

But let's say I was not Sicilian, nor Cape Verdean, nor Portuguese and was just an Anglo-Irish American? I'd prefer the SSA.

[Kriptc06]

Only 1 pick man.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/966564485ba67b78c38e9a8091c024c3/tumblr_na3c0vkmS51tj6tjto1_500.gif

west asia, cause why not

[Era]

Most tests I take give me varying ranges but they come close to what is indicated.

what do dnaland, wegene and ancient matches of ftdna give you?

[Wrong]

I WOULDNT CARE ABOUT EITHERYou have to pick one. Noone escapes this except some more Mongolian-shifted folks.

[de Burgh II]

1% nigga because then I can claim oppression from mah other 99% white lineage for oppressing its genetics!

https://media.giphy.com/media/RMnsaR2aAFDMc/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PFdOj.gif

[Seya]

Most tests I take give me varying ranges but they come close to what is indicated.

how much "European" do u get on 23andme?

[Lek]

This is a very hard question men

[Seya]

non of that will show anyway so it doesn't matter..

[Cristiano viejo]

1% nigga or 5% Gypsy?
Why suicide is not the third option here?

[RN97]

1% nigga or 5% Gypsy?
Why suicide is not the third option here?

West asian is not gypsy fgt. Every European is at least 30% west-asian like. The average is over 40%, Spaniards probably a little less than 50%

[crazyladybutterfly]

1% nigga or 5% Gypsy?
Why suicide is not the third option here?

west asian is caucasian

[Peterski]

Admixtures do not scare me so I would take them both.

It's not like this 6% would make me a different person.

[Petalpusher]

Everybody has west Asian, depends what you mean by that exactly. Only a few people have real/recent SSA.

[Peterski]

Only a few people have real/recent SSA.

Well, most of West Asian in Northern Europe is also not recent.

[Wrong]

Yeah, it's just a genuine question.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

West asian is not gypsy fgt. Every European is at least 30% west-asian like. The average is over 40%, Spaniards probably a little less than 50%

30% to 40%? I only got like 3% West Asian on most calculators. I don't think Westerners score that high.

[RN97]

30% to 40%? I only got like 3% West Asian on most calculators. I don't think Westerners score that high.

not recent west asian, but west asian from anatolian farmers, EEF, neolithic farmers, basal Eurasian, nartufians or whatever you wanna call it.

[masteen]

neither

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

not recent west asian, but west asian from anatolian farmers, EEF, neolithic farmers, basal Eurasian, nartufians or whatever you wanna call it.

How far back these Eurogenes calculators go then? I thought it was thousands of years.

[Cristiano viejo]

West asian is not gypsy fgt. Every European is at least 30% west-asian like. The average is over 40%, Spaniards probably a little less than 50%

First, that is not true, and second, the OP question obviously goes in the Gypsy sense.


Everybody has west Asian, depends what you mean by that exactly. Only a few people have real/recent SSA.
In some calculators most of Europeans also have SSA.

[Wrong]

First, that is not true, and second, the OP question obviously goes in the Gypsy sense.


In some calculators most of Europeans also have SSA.It's only statistical noise when below 0.3%:

http://i.imgur.com/cpkQgDV.png

[Drawing-slim]

West asia technically can be all europe, and certainly all south east europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's only statistical noise when below 0.3%:

Of course of course.
Ehhh, one question... that of 0,3... how did you get that fantastic conclusion? why not 0,2? or 0,6437865?

[Wrong]

Of course of course.
Ehhh, one question... that of 0,3... how did you get that fantastic conclusion? why not 0,2? or 0,6437865?
0.1337

[Cristiano viejo]

0.1337

But answer the question, man...

[Nehellenia]

I'm already got west asian of 5-9% so i can't really take this quiz xD

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

But answer the question, man...

It's only bellow 0.3% because it is what suits him, lol. What for sure is not noise is the +10% West Asian average that all Albanians get on most calculators and 70% or bellow than that European ancestry scores at FTDNA plus nearly 30% MENA and Asia.

[Wrong]

It's only bellow 0.3% because it is what suits him, lol. What for sure is not noise is the +10% West Asian average that all Albanians get.You look negrito xD

[KrashNick]

1% SSA

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You look negrito xD

If you think what I said is not true you can disprove it. What I look or not doesn't really matter, we're talking about genetics here.

[Wrong]

If you think what I said is not true you can disprove it. What I look or not doesn't really matter, we're talking about genetics here.
Poll is open for votes. I replied to a question from your hermano.

But you do look part-Negrito, this statement is not wrong.

[Dick]

West Asian. My heart is black anyway.

[Wrong]

I see many people posting here not voting... ;)

[RN97]

We all know what this thread is about, you should just have asked "would you rather be Portoguese or Albanian genetically?"

[masteen]

Neither. But obviously would choose West Asian.

[Petalpusher]

Looking in deep there s always some faint signals of everything, humanity is all related afterall. 0,1 / 0,2 at low k is a noise signal, some don't get it, some get 0,3 etc..that average as 0.1, 0.2 and it's random and inconsistent from a calculator to another. All West eurasian get the same, which proves it isn't real, as obviously no SSA has ever possibly reached like Lapland or whatever remote place. Sometimes it's also archaic admixture like Neanderthal who come up with all sorts of ASE, SSA,.. because they re so old. Or indeed something ASE mistaken for SSA (probably the case of Siberians for example)

20 times the intensity of that signal or more, like 2,3,5% is definetly not noise anymore. It's like the radio, you still hear snow all along, until you re picking up something real.

[Wrong]

We all know what this thread is about, you should just have asked "would you rather be Portoguese or Albanian genetically?"
Portuguese*

Those components peak in neither of the groups.

[Wrong]

Everybody has west Asian, depends what you mean by that exactly. Only a few people have real/recent SSA.


Well, most of West Asian in Northern Europe is also not recent.Much of the West Asian in the Balkans is also Ancient, otherwise it would show along with Turkic DNA due to the Ottomans that were here rather recently, especially on 23andme since it goes back 500 years.
Caucasus and Anatolian people on 23andme get tons of MENA.

Only Balkanoids I've seen getting Turkish/Turkic DNA are the Balkan Turks that remained in FYROM, Bulgaria, some other parts... and Romanians.

TLDR: Turks were Mongolians mixed with Anatolians and Persians when they came to Europe.

[Purohit ji]

5% ssa

[Lek]

It's only bellow 0.3% because it is what suits him, lol. What for sure is not noise is the +10% West Asian average that all Albanians get on most calculators and 70% or bellow than that European ancestry scores at FTDNA plus nearly 30% MENA and Asia.

Those same Albanians on 23andme score 99%-100% euro and 90% ++ Balkan. The test goes like 500 years back. Ftdna is more ancient like 1300 years and def not that accurate. All Balkanites get those results. Unless they aren't much indigenous to the area. Gedmatch calcs are more ancient. None of that should be taken as recent ancestry.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Would they really accept an 1% ssa person as black? At what point do they start counting people as black?

I don't think anyone has tried it but I doubt they would but what is odd and humorous is that many of the Blacks who have benefited from it aren't Black Americans but rather Blacks from Africa. These programs created to 'up lift' American Blacks end up aiding people whose ancestors weren't picking cotton on a slave plantation and suffering generations of discrimination.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ancient or recent? if we talking about ancient I already score 21% west asian (asia minor) in ftdna. xD

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I don't think anyone has tried it but I doubt they would but what is odd and humorous is that many of the Blacks who have benefited from it aren't Black Americans but rather Blacks from Africa. These programs created to 'up lift' American Blacks end up aiding people whose ancestors weren't picking cotton on a slave plantation and suffering generations of discrimination.

I should say at Harvard and I was looking at admissions years ago and so perhaps there has been a change. I don't know about other places.

[Damião de Góis]

We all know what this thread is about, you should just have asked "would you rather be Portoguese or Albanian genetically?"

If West Asian means Caucasus then Albanians score around 30% West Asian not 5%.

[Squall Leonhart]

I already have more than 5% West Asian and I am sure I have a lot of West Asian ancestry making the bulk of my West Eurasian/ANI ancestry.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

In some calculators most of Europeans also have SSA.

You're insecurity is showing, def. not most just some you're spiritually associated with. ;)

[Cristiano viejo]

You're insecurity is showing, def. not most just some you're spiritually associated with. ;)

ok 21% West Asian aka Gypsy boy.

[Kazbolat]

LOL at those who look down on West Asian component. West Asian/Caucasus component peaks in Georgians, "Meditterean/EEF" component is closer to SW Asian and Basal Eurasian and makes you look like a pseudo mulatto with curly hair.
Look at those South European/Iberian quadroons looking down on West Asian component LEL. You have more SSA than West Asian so be proud of your SSA ancestry.

Yamnaya itself was a mix of 50% CHG (West Asian) and 50% EHG (Eastern Hunter Gatherer). So anyone who lacks West Asian/CHG admix is pseudo Indo European.


West Asian rulez
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/4e/6b/bd4e6b77b68122354e069b5f3653f992.jpg




Fucking sissy EEF/Mediterrenean faggots with mulatto hair
http://www.siciliani.com/upload/22.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

West Asian rulez
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/4e/6b/bd4e6b77b68122354e069b5f3653f992.jpg


Talking about quadrons xD

[Kazbolat]

Talking about quadrons xD

Caucasus peoples have 0% SSA admix, Iberians on the other hand have ~5%, which is equal to 30% North African admixture. Your SSA admix is so obvious for example because you are one of the dumbest members around here.

[Pahli]

Caucasus peoples have 0% SSA admix, Iberians on the other hand have ~5%, which is equal to 30% North African admixture. Your SSA admix is so obvious for example because you are one of the dumbest members around here.

Lol some Caucasus people look lighter than Iberians / Portuguese and they have 10 - 15% NE_Euro admix compared to their 30 - 40% NE_Euro hahahaha. Caucasian people and those related can sometimes be quite tall, taller than Northern Europeans, I am 190 almost :laugh:

[Cristiano viejo]

Caucasus peoples have 0% SSA admix, Iberians on the other hand have ~5%, which is equal to 30% North African admixture. Your SSA admix is so obvious for example because you are one of the dumbest members around here.

As if Iberians get 100% SSA, boy. You Caucasians are quadrons-dark as fuck (and ugly, I must say).

[The Illyrian Warrior]

ok 21% West Asian aka Gypsy boy.

I'm clearly more satisfied having considerable amount of ancient caucasus hunter gatherer component then recent moor genes like your people often show.

[Pahli]

As if Iberians get 100% SSA, boy. You Caucasians are quadrons-dark as fuck (and ugly, I must say).

Lol some North Caucasians look lighter / more European than Iberians, despite the fact that Iberians have 2 - 3 times more North European admixture :lol:

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm clearly more satisfied having considerable amount of ancient caucasus hunter gatherer component then recent moor genes like your people often show.
Still you look 1000 times more Moorish than I do (well I dont at all).


Lol some North Caucasians look lighter / more European than Iberians, despite the fact that Iberians have 2 - 3 times more North European admixture :lol:
That says me nothing. Some Spaniards are lighter than let me say British, and still British are the palest people in the world.
No comment about having North European ancestry.... as if that means something :lol:

[Pahli]

Still you look 1000 times more Moorish than I do (well I dont at all).


That says me nothing. Some Spaniards are lighter than let me say British, and still British are the palest people in the world.
No comment about having North European ancestry.... as if that means something :lol:

It means a lot, calling West Asian component "gypsy" while your people aren't much lighter yourselves despite having much more WHG ("White" Hunter Gatherers) admixture :laugh:

[Kelmendasi]

[QUOTE=Cristiano viejo;4295101]Still you look 1000 times more Moorish than I do (well I dont at all).
Judging by his pics he doesn't look even the slightest of Moorish

[Cristiano viejo]

It means a lot, calling West Asian component "gypsy" while your people aren't much lighter yourselves despite having much more WHG ("White" Hunter Gatherers) admixture :laugh:

It means nothing. We could score 100% nigga if you like, that does not change that Caucasians look like Arabo-Gypsies and that your countries are often less depevloped than these of Africa. That is for something.

[Cristiano viejo]

Judging by his pics he doesn't look even the slightest of Moorish

Well in this forum even Íker Casillas has been said to look Moorish.
Let alone The Internet Warrior...

[Pahli]

It means nothing. We could score 100% nigga if you like, that does not change that Caucasians look like Arabo-Gypsies and that your countries are often less depevloped than these of Africa. That is for something.

Caucasians look nothing like Gypsies or Arabs, some of them look lighter and more European than your kind, get that into your Moor infested head :laugh:

It means a lot, you're just trying to avoid the topic, the fact is that your DNA is more European but Caucasians are still lighter and some more European looking despite having half or even 1/3 of the European admixture you have. Accept it Moor boy.

[Cristiano viejo]

Caucasians look nothing like Gypsies or Arabs,
Sure.


the fact is that your DNA is more European but Caucasians are still lighter and some more European looking
Continue dreaming, Arab.

[Pahli]

Sure.


Continue dreaming, Arab.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

You never manage to dissapoint me El-Mooro.

[Philip Latinowitz]

Well all Euros score West Asian, from results posted in genetics section.

[Lek]

As if Iberians get 100% SSA, boy. You Caucasians are quadrons-dark as fuck (and ugly, I must say).

BTW dude I'm not saying I don't have any foreign ancestry as I don't believe I'm some pure blooded ilyrian. They were mixed as fuck themselves and partially west Asian probably. I'm saying no average Albanian gets such high east euro, north west euro etc on 23andme, a test that goes only 500 years back, like Iberians do.. That north west euro is definitely ancestry within last 500 years. Balkan category is irrelevant here.

[Cristiano viejo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

You never manage to dissapoint me El-Mooro.

The only reality is that Caucasians have African standards of life, same (no)developed countries, they are as poor as Africans etc
FACT.
Fuck, not even Russians achieved to grew such things there...

[Lek]

+ Op's paternal lineage is most likely north west euro. Do a ydna test on ftdna like 37 markers, see your subclade and matches and see that im right. Watch as you match Brits on 37 markers or more.

[Kamal900]

Sure.


Continue dreaming, Arab.

Actually, I saw his pictures and yours too, and really, he's more lighter than you are despite him being 100 percent middle eastern genetically. Oh, and he's not an Arab.

[Pahli]

The only reality is that Caucasians have African standards of life, same (no)developed countries, they are as poor as Africans etc
FACT.
Fuck, not even Russians achieved to grew such things there...

They live quite well, they're a small population so obviously they're not going to have all the modern shit like in Europe, life is still pretty decent there (I'd still avoid Chechnya and parts of Dagestan though).
Also while your kind was dwelling caves the ancient Caucasians were already building towns, producing wine and had farms. You're a big joke to talk shit about people you literally know nothing about.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Still you look 1000 times more Moorish than I do (well I dont at all).

Add few more zeros behind and make it more satisfying for yourself. lol

You're OWD and ignorant, I'm not even trying to explain you anything since the bubble you're living into is of heck of delusional world anyways.

[Damião de Góis]

Caucasians look nothing like Gypsies or Arabs, some of them look lighter and more European than your kind, get that into your Moor infested head :laugh:


How are some Caucasians more European than Spaniards?

[Profileid]

Another thread ruined by Cristiano...

[Profileid]

He must be an expert at stopping runaway anal bleeding by this point xD

[Kamal900]

Add few more zero behind and make it more satisfying for yourself. lol

You're OWD and ignorant, I'm not even trying to explain you anything since the bubble you're living into is of heck of delusional world anyways.

He can't comprehend on the fact that the Russians, Germans, Brits and other Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans are way more whiter than most Spaniards and Portugese..

[Pahli]

How are some Caucasians more European than Spaniards?

By appearance, I didn't want to offend others, but some Spaniards are darker than Caucasians. I tried to explain him that some look more European (phenotype wise, skintone).

[The Illyrian Warrior]

He can't comprehend on the fact that the Russians, Germans, Brits and other Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans are way more whiter than most Spaniards and Portugese..

His favorite gallery consist of blonde Spaniards and woggy non Spaniards to make Spaniards look whiter, this dude is really epitome of OWD.

[Kamal900]

They live quite well, they're a small population so obviously they're not going to have all the modern shit like in Europe, life is still pretty decent there (I'd still avoid Chechnya and parts of Dagestan though).
Also while your kind was dwelling caves the ancient Caucasians were already building towns, producing wine and have farms. You're a big joke to talk shit about people you literally know nothing about.

To be quite frank and honest with you, I have far more respect to Caucasians like Georgians and etc than to Europeans in general..I mean, At least the birth rates in the Caucasus is very stable in comparison to most European countries where the birth rates are very below the displacement level.

[Pahli]

To be quite frank and honest with you, I have far more respect to Caucasians like Georgians and etc than to Europeans in general..I mean, At least the birth rates in the Caucasus is very stable in comparison to most European countries where the birth rates are very below the displacement level.

I don't get why that autist is raging at Caucasians ... They have nothing to do with his nation nor have they done anything to him or his people, I guess its his OWD and autism that made him explode :laugh:

[Damião de Góis]

By appearance, I didn't want to offend others, but some Spaniards are darker than Caucasians. I tried to explain him that some look more European (phenotype wise, skintone).

You would need to define what looking european is. Because from a starting point, every european looks european.

[Era]

+ Op's paternal lineage is most likely north west euro. Do a ydna test on ftdna like 37 markers, see your subclade and matches and see that im right. Watch as you match Brits on 37 markers or more.

what?

[Pahli]

You would need to define what looking european is. Because from a starting point, every european looks european.

I am trying to stereotype it a bit; Light skin tone, light hair, eye colour doesn't really matter, but bottom line brown eyes. Of the Caucasians I've seen, some can fit in the Balkans, and as far as Central Europe. Some Spaniards and Portuguese can also fit there, some also look Nordic but they aren't the stereotypical Spaniard / Portuguese.

[Lek]

what?

I wrote in the totally wrong thread, I was referring to viriato, or is it that Cristina pendejo quoted me in the wrong thread. I don't know. Cba to check.

[Damião de Góis]

I am trying to stereotype it a bit; Light skin tone, light hair, eye colour doesn't really matter, but bottom line brown eyes. Of the Caucasians I've seen, some can fit in the Balkans, and as far as Central Europe. Some Spaniards and Portuguese can also fit there, some also look Nordic but they aren't the stereotypical Spaniard / Portuguese.

I would think it has more to do with face features than hair color or eye color. "Looking european" to me is being able to pass in any european country, so every european would look european by default.
If you want to be more exclusive and reducing it to passing as local in say Central Europe or Eastern Europe then that's another discussion. Subjective in any case.

[Annie999]

I'm already got west asian of 5-9% so i can't really take this quiz xD

me too, same amount :lol:

[Cristiano viejo]

Actually, I saw his pictures and yours too, and really, he's more lighter than you are despite him being 100 percent middle eastern genetically. Oh, and he's not an Arab.
Is he lighter than me because he is blond? :rolleyes:
His skin-tone is not lighter than mine and I look fully Euro, unlike him who has an Asian vibe, what is normal taking account from where he is. According him he is not MENA, btw.

Also I remember you saying I looked Brit or something so (not that I believe it, rather the opposite), so I find weird what you are saying.



He can't comprehend on the fact that the Russians, Germans, Brits and other Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans are way more whiter than most Spaniards and Portugese..
They are blonder, not whiter. I dont consider my people less white than the rest of Europeans, and I could not care less about what you people think about this.

Russians... lol


They live quite well, they're a small population so obviously they're not going to have all the modern shit like in Europe, life is still pretty decent there (I'd still avoid Chechnya and parts of Dagestan though).
Also while your kind was dwelling caves the ancient Caucasians were already building towns, producing wine and had farms. You're a big joke to talk shit about people you literally know nothing about.
Still Caucasians live very undeveloped compared with (almost) any European standard. Like Africans do.


His favorite gallery consist of blonde Spaniards and woggy non Spaniards to make Spaniards look whiter, this dude is really epitome of OWD.
what the fuck! and this is said by an Albanian!! :lol:
And wait... blonde Spaniards? I thought that did not exist according TA experts, being you one of them...



I am trying to stereotype it a bit; Light skin tone, light hair, eye colour doesn't really matter, but bottom line brown eyes. Of the Caucasians I've seen, some can fit in the Balkans, and as far as Central Europe. Some Spaniards and Portuguese can also fit there, some also look Nordic but they aren't the stereotypical Spaniard / Portuguese.

Yes, some Spaniards can be darker than some Caucasians, or than some East Asians if you wish. In the same way that some Germans etc also can be it.
That is not the rule and that is the important point.

Not to comment that being lighter or darker means little. It is about features, mainly.

[Leto]

Well all Euros score West Asian, from results posted in genetics section.
Yes. We (North)eastern Europeans can easily score like 5-8% WA without having a foreign grandparent.

[Leto]

Also while your kind was dwelling caves the ancient Caucasians were already building towns, producing wine and had farms.
Oh really? Iberia had civilization even before the Romans (Phoenicians for ex.). And the North Caucasus (not Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan) is still tribal and savage to a great extent.

[Not a Cop]

Yes. We (North)eastern Europeans can easily score like 5-8% WA without having a foreign grandparent.

Actually no, 5% is about bottom line for North Eastern Europeans. 8% is more of South-Russian\Hohol\South Polish thing.

[Leto]

Actually no, 5% is about bottom line for North Eastern Europeans. 8% is more of South-Russian\Hohol\South Polish thing.
Maybe for the Northernmost regions. Anyway, my point is that it's okay for an East Slav to be up to 10% WA. Now I have a shitload of Russian and E. European kit numbers, so I can judge. Though I think GEDmatch sometimes confuses West Asian and East Med, 'cause some people have more of the former than the latter and vice versa.
By the way, Tatars and Bashkirs usually score like 10-15% WA.

[Enflamme]

For Kelmendasi:

I have already seen Cristiano Viejo: he has a kind of English face. But he could also pass in certain provinces of France.

Most of the dna results I have seen with regard to the Spaniards are between 0, 0.5 and 3% of origin of North Africa. Knowing that 5% is already invisible and insignificant at the level of the phenotype (a person who is of 95% North European origin, will not change phenotype with 5% originating from Southern Europe).

As for the Georgians: i have not seen many results, so i can not say anything. But for me, many Georgians look like people from the Balkans and are Europoid.

[Norka]

5% West Asian hands down

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

While it is fun to see Cristiano Viejo squirm over the thought of having 5% SSA, it's also gonna be fun when basal Eurasians get sampled and we lose practically all our SSA. I feel some people that really like these kinds of threads might just have a heart attack.

And it's not just Iberians that are gonna "lose" SSA admixture. North Africans will lose a very good amount of it and will have only around 10-12% real SSA (cause Zinedine Zidane isn't 20-25% SSA ffs, and neither are most Northern Moroccans), mostly from the Slave trade, and other Middle Easterns will also have quite a bit less SSA.

[Turul Karom]

I have some Asian and Siberian already, but not very much.

Anyone who is R1 has ancient origins in Asia (R1b is specifically West Asian, in fact).

[Voskos]

If you had to pick, what would you have?

my 1 percent papuan is much more of a problem ,i have no idea where it comes from.

[Pausanias]

5% WA. At least they're humans.

[MinervaItalica]

West Asian with no doubt.

[Peterski]

5% is about bottom line for North Eastern Europeans. 8% is more of South-Russian\Hohol\South Polish thing.

Are you talking about GEDmatch or something else? And if GEDmatch then which calculator?

[Not a Cop]

Are you talking about GEDmatch or something else? And if GEDmatch then which calculator?

Eurogenes K13.

[Cristiano viejo]

While it is fun to see Cristiano Viejo squirm over the thought of having 5% SSA, it's also gonna be fun when basal Eurasians get sampled and we lose practically all our SSA. I feel some people that really like these kinds of threads might just have a heart attack.

And it's not just Iberians that are gonna "lose" SSA admixture. North Africans will lose a very good amount of it and will have only around 10-12% real SSA (cause Zinedine Zidane isn't 20-25% SSA ffs, and neither are most Northern Moroccans), mostly from the Slave trade, and other Middle Easterns will also have quite a bit less SSA.

What is funny is that you think that I think I could be 5% SSA :p

[Peterski]

Eurogenes K13.

In Eurogenes K13 I score 7.5% West Asian and no any SSA.

[Pahli]

In Eurogenes K13 I score 7.5% West Asian and no any SSA.

7.5% gypsy according to Retardiano Moorejo

[The Illyrian Warrior]

7.5% gypsy according to Retardiano Moorejo

or chipsy xD, man he never gets tired braying around like a stupid Iberberian donkey. :D

[Hadouken]

5% WA. At least they're humans.

:tsk::tsk::tsk:

[Wrong]

it's also gonna be fun when basal Eurasians get sampled and we lose practically all our SSA.
It doesn't work like that. The SSA will remain there like a sore thumb.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It doesn't work like that. The SSA will remain there like a sore thumb.

I think companies are forced to replace SSA for something else, too many OWD Iberberians complaining about that SSA mark they get. xD

[Petalpusher]

Let's put this to the test, 5% West Asian vs 1% SSA. Which one is it, the Austrian (red) or the Croatian (blue) ?


https://s3.postimg.org/i04rdytn7/K15_V4ex1.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Let's put this to the test, 5% West Asian vs 1% SSA. Which one is it, the Austrian (red) or the Croatian (blue) ?


https://s3.postimg.org/i04rdytn7/K15_V4ex1.jpg

Red is SSA right?

[Freeroostah]

5% West Asian wouldn't make so much difference...1% SSA can put me in universities for free ;)

[Voskos]

5% West Asian wouldn't make so much difference...1% SSA can put me in universities for free ;)

dayum

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

It doesn't work like that. The SSA will remain there like a sore thumb.

It will always stay in this calculator, sure :)

[Cristiano viejo]

7.5% gypsy according to Retardiano Moorejo
Not my fault that you being MENA deny such thing.


or chipsy xD, man he never gets tired braying around like a stupid Iberberian donkey. :D

Nor that you are (and look) really Gypsy.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Nor that you are (and look) really Gypsy.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2pq6d86.jpg

[Nurzat]

1% is way too little of anything. so I'd pick either 12.5% West Asian either 12.5% Subsaharan African either 12.5% East Asian, i don't care, as long as it'd give a pleasant, harmonious look

[Cristiano viejo]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/S6ZYexugWoI/AAAAAAAACVA/1I9HXeBDFQY/s1600/albanians.png

Real life is that I am lighter/whiter than you and that Spain is First World and 25000000 billions of times more developed and civilized than Albania.
I dont need stupid pictures to know this. I could post (again) genetic studies about the Gypsy origin in Albanians, specially in Tosks.

Oh wait, you already did :lol:

[Isleño]

Would they really accept an 1% ssa person as black? At what point do they start counting people as black?

No, but you could always bring up that bullshit "one-drop rule" (even though it's no longer legally valid), and that might do more to help than harm if you are using it to get into a university lol

[Leto]

Lol, I left the forum many months ago (now I only visit threads related to genetic topics) and right here I can see that the same people are still fighting over the same nonsense. Albanians say they are more Aryan than any SS soldier. And why in the world are they trolling Spaniards? We Russians barely discuss Albanians, 'cause we don't see them at all, but I know that for example Germans often regard them as dark(er) people, somehow 'related to other immigrants'.

[Leto]

No, but you could always bring up that bullshit "one-drop rule" (even though it's no longer legally valid), and that might do more to help than harm if you are using it to get into a university lol
I guess that anything beyond a (living) black grandparent stops counting. I doubt one could be seriously accepted as 'black' being like 5-15% SSA.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Real life is that I am lighter/whiter than you and that Spain is First World and 25000000 billions of times more developed and civilized than Albania.
I dont need stupid pictures to know this. I could post (again) genetic studies about the Gypsy origin in Albanians, specially in Tosks.

Oh wait, you already did :lol:

I should trust you, you're well read on genetics, I took a look at I hg and shows gypsies scoring same amount as Ghegs, must be Indian origin along with all others exp. of E-V13 which according to you is African. :D Jokes aside, Spain is one of few countries in Europe if one drop rule will be applied you'd be defined as black country, that's scary yet harsh reality about you moorito. :D

[Kelmendasi]

Real life is that I am lighter/whiter than you and that Spain is First World and 25000000 billions of times more developed and civilized than Albania.
I dont need stupid pictures to know this. I could post (again) genetic studies about the Gypsy origin in Albanians, specially in Tosks.

Oh wait, you already did :lol:
No he didn't that map shoes haplogroup distribution and in fact it shows that Albanians and Gypsies are unrelated. You should read the diagram/table properly before commenting

[Bell Beaker]

Most of the Portuguese people don't even have 1% of REAL/RECENT SSA.

The only Portuguese who could have more than 1% of SSA are the Southern ones, specifically those from Sado and coastal Alentejo.

[Isleño]

I guess that anything beyond a (living) black grandparent stops counting. I doubt one could be seriously accepted as 'black' being like 5-15% SSA.
You know, I live in the US and I don't even know when it's at the point that one could not claim to be black. I'd have to say that anyone who looks to have black influence on biological features can claim to be black. Black in the US is unlike white in the US.

To be white, you can't show biological influence from another race, but to be black, you just have to have any biological black African influence and BAM! You are black. Theoretically, you'd have to be full or near full white to be white and full or near full black to be black, but that's not the case in the US.

If a white person looks any bit of non-Caucasoid, you are not seen as white. If any race of person looks any black, then you are seen as black. That's the USA for you.

[Isleño]

1% SSA is nothing.

[user_]

I'd choose 100% of west asian, that will make you look like real brutal men.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

No he didn't that map shoes haplogroup distribution and in fact it shows that Albanians and Gypsies are unrelated. You should read the diagram/table properly before commenting

Apparently I pushed the red button of this donkey, you can see it through his angry negrito behavior. :D

[Leto]

You know, I live in the US and I don't even know when it's at the point that one could not claim to be black. I'd have to say that anyone who looks to have black influence on biological features can claim to be black. Black in the US is unlike white in the US.

To be white, you can't show biological influence from another race, but to be black, you just have to have any biological black African influence and BAM! You are black. Theoretically, you'd have to be full or near full white to be white and full or near full black to be black, but that's not the case in the US.

If a white person looks any bit of non-Caucasoid, you are not seen as white. If any race of person looks any black, then you are seen as black. That's the USA for you.
I see. That's the reason why I have realized those racial labels are not that good. At least outside the English-speaking horizon they are pretty foreign.

[Cristiano viejo]

No he didn't that map shoes haplogroup distribution and in fact it shows that Albanians and Gypsies are unrelated. You should read the diagram/table properly before commenting


There is also a relative paucity of G compared to Greeks, and limited introgression of Gypsy chromosomes (H1) in the main Albanian groups (Gheg and Tosk).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/S6ZYexugWoI/AAAAAAAACVA/1I9HXeBDFQY/s1600/albanians.png

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html

[Kelmendasi]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/S6ZYexugWoI/AAAAAAAACVA/1I9HXeBDFQY/s1600/albanians.png

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html
Read it properly you fool. "Limited introgression" and haplogroup "G" isn't a Gypsy haplogroup, it's a neolithic marker

[Cristiano viejo]

Read it properly you fool. "Limited introgression" and haplogroup "G" isn't a Gypsy haplogroup, it's a neolithic marker

lol, neolithic marker
:picard1:

[Kelmendasi]

lol, neolithic marker
:picard1:
Why is it not?

[Wrong]

So the final verdict has come?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

lol, neolithic marker
:picard1:

He's right you dumbkopf, H is what you're looking for obviously, don't be so damn retarded by associating G with Gypsy just because starts with G.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

So the final verdict has come?

Final verdict is majority don't want to resemble spaniards.

[Kelmendasi]

He's right you dumbkopf, H is what you're looking for obviously, don't be so damn retarded by associating G with Gypsy just because starts with G.
He really needs to research into these things before commenting

[Cristiano viejo]

He's right you dumbkopf, H is what you're looking for obviously, don't be so damn retarded by associating G with Gypsy just because starts with G.
Tell him


There is also a relative paucity of G compared to Greeks, and limited introgression of Gypsy chromosomes (H1) in the main Albanian groups (Gheg and Tosk).

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html


Final verdict is majority don't want to resemble spaniards.

You would wish resembling Spaniards. Oh wait, it is better being 40% African e1b1 :laugh:

[The Illyrian Warrior]

And how exactly makes that instantly a gypsy hg? Learn basics man, you are really miserable in every possible regard.

Speaking about avoiding SSA genes, we are talking about scoring only one percent SSA, not 2-3% SSA Spaniards usually gets. ;)

[Kelmendasi]

Tell him



http://dienekes.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html



You would wish resembling Spaniards. Oh wait, it is better being 40% African e1b1 :laugh:
You actually believe that haplogroup G is Gypsy because it starts with G? :picard2:

[Hadouken]

You actually believe that haplogroup G is Gypsy because it starts with G? :picard2:

E1b1 is black because it begins with E aka Ebony

[Kelmendasi]

E1b1 is black because it begins with E aka Ebony
Lol hahahhaha

[Petalpusher]

You actually believe that haplogroup G is Gypsy because it starts with G? :picard2:

There s a fair chance, yes. Last time he talked about this, he was confusing H y-dna for H mtdna (no relation whatsoever), so everything is possible with CV.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

E1b1 is black because it begins with E aka Ebony

CV guideline of hg. :D

[Kelmendasi]

....]

[Cristiano viejo]

There s a fair chance, yes. Last time he talked about this, he was confusing H y-dna for H mtdna (no relation whatsoever), so everything is possible with CV.
Funny that you say that... after claiming the Iberian component in Iberians hides North African ancestry... but not in the Iberian component of the French Ilma :lol:


And how exactly makes that instantly a gypsy hg? Learn basics man, you are really miserable in every possible regard.
You are butthurt because it is another person and not me who are calling Gypsies to Albanians with that study.


Speaking about avoiding SSA genes, we are talking about scoring only one percent SSA, not 2-3% SSA Spaniards usually gets. ;)
While you are not able to post a single dna test of a Spaniard where he/she scores 2% SSA, and while in any deep calculator even Albrownians score SSA too, we can take fun about your Gypsy blood :)

[Petalpusher]

Funny that you say that... after claiming the Iberian component in Iberians hides North African ancestry... but not in the Iberian component of the French Ilma :lol:


What does it have to do with you confusing y-dna for mtdna, and why Ilma? I think she does score a little at low K but she s only 1/4 Iberian and half of it is from an area close to Basque that has null to negligible NA.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

You are butthurt because it is another person and not me who are calling Gypsies to Albanians with that study.


While you are not able to post a single dna test of a Spaniard where he/she scores 2% SSA, and while in any deep calculator even Albrownians score SSA too, we can take fun about your Gypsy blood :)

When you can't take the heat and reality as it is, would be better if you leave discussion completely.

Here you have a study:

A 2011 study by Moorjani et al. found that almost all southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% Sub-Saharan ancestry (3.2% in Portugal, 2.9% in Sardinia, 2.7% in southern Italy, 2.4% in Spain and 1.1% in northern Italy) with an average mixture date of around 55 generations ago, "consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations".[47]
The finding of African ancestry in Southern Europe dating to ~55 generations ago, or ~1,600 years ago assuming 29 years per generation, needs to be placed in historical context. The historical record documents multiple interactions of African and European populations over this period. One potential opportunity for African gene flow was during the period of Roman occupation of North Africa that lasted until the early 5th century AD, and indeed tomb inscriptions and literary references suggest that trade relations continued even after that time. North Africa was also a supplier of goods and products such as wine and olive oil to Italy, Spain and Gaul from 200–600 AD, and Morocco was a major manufacturer of the processed fish sauce condiment, garum, which was imported by Romans. In addition, there was slave trading across the western Sahara during Roman times. Another potential source of some of the African ancestry, especially in Spain and Portugal, is the invasion of Iberia by Moorish armies after 711 AD. If the Moors already had some African ancestry when they arrived in Southern Europe, and then admixed with Iberians, we would expect the admixture date to be older than the date of the invasion, as we observe. http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373
Or this.

A 2009 autosomal study by Moorjani et al. that used between 500 thousand and 1.5 million SNPs estimated that the proportion of Sub-Saharan African ancestry is 2.4% in Spain, and 1.9% in Greece. According to the authors, this is consistent in the case of Spain, with the historically known movement of individuals of North African ancestry into Iberia, although it is possible that this estimate also reflects a wider range of mixture times

Or many more genetics studies I can fill this page with easily, also this admixture map matches well with all the studies they made about your genome.
http://i62.tinypic.com/kbadzm.png

Hopefully you have these when you get a clear sense of your past.
https://centari.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tissues.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Funny that you say that... after claiming the Iberian component in Iberians hides North African ancestry... but not in the Iberian component of the French Ilma :lol:


You are butthurt because it is another person and not me who are calling Gypsies to Albanians with that study.


While you are not able to post a single dna test of a Spaniard where he/she scores 2% SSA, and while in any deep calculator even Albrownians score SSA too, we can take fun about your Gypsy blood :)
You are full on retarded. Haplogroup G isn't Gypsy you fool http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml

[Kelmendasi]

@CV: Here is a Spaniard that scores non-Euro
https://s15.postimg.org/h6j9qlu57/2n1c6es.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

What does it have to do with you confusing y-dna for mtdna, and why Ilma? I think she does score a little at low K but she s only 1/4 Iberian and half of it is from an area close to Basque that has null to negligible NA.
Obviating that part of her Spanish ancestors come from Murcia (South Spain) does not help your pathetic arguments.


blablabla
I knew, you could not :zzz


You are full on retarded. Haplogroup G isn't Gypsy you fool http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml
Tell it to dienekes.


@CV: Here is a Spaniard that scores non-Euro


Canarians are not ethnic Spaniards and I dont see where it put that 23andme is from a Spaniard.

[Kelmendasi]

Obviating that part of her Spanish ancestors come from Murcia (South Spain) does not help your pathetic arguments.


I knew, you could not :zzz


Tell it to dienekes.



Canarians are not ethnic Spaniards and I dont see where it put that 23andme is from a Spaniard.
Retard, Dienekes didn't say that G is a Gypsy haplogroup, he said that H1(Ydna not Mtdna) is Gypsy :picard1:

[Cristiano viejo]

Retard, Dienekes didn't say that G is a Gypsy haplogroup, he said that H1(Ydna not Mtdna) is Gypsy :picard1:

Retard, and when have I claimed anything about G? I have posted this three times already


There is also a relative paucity of G compared to Greeks, and limited introgression of Gypsy chromosomes (H1) in the main Albanian groups (Gheg and Tosk).

[Kelmendasi]

Retard, and when have I claimed anything about G? I have posted this three times already
You speng it says limited introgression or do you not know what that means? If you didn't claim anything than why did you tell me to tell Dienekes that?. H1 in Albanians is under 1% you fool so better luck next time

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I knew, you could not :zzz

Moorito, these studies weights about thousand of tested individuals and in all studies shows you with African genes.

[Petalpusher]

Obviating that part of her Spanish ancestors come from Murcia (South Spain) does not help your pathetic arguments.



This is a simple calculation Christiano, even you should be able to perform it. Look at the map posted above from Euro K7, and divide it by 8 (1/8 Murcia).

I can't believe now you reproach me to underestimate SSA in Iberians, make up your mind ;)

[Cristiano viejo]

You speng it says limited introgression or do you not know what that means? If you didn't claim anything than why did you tell me to tell Dienekes that?. H1 in Albanians is under 1% you fool so better luck next time
It means it exist. 2,48% in Tosks and 0,61 in Ghegs.


Moorito, these studies weights about thousand of tested individuals and in all studies shows you with African genes.
With your 40% African e1b1 and talking about African genes :rofl:


This is a simple calculation Christiano, even you should be able to perform it. Look at the map posted above from Euro K7, and divide it by 8 (1/8 Murcia).

I can't believe now you reproach me to underestimate SSA in Iberians, make up your mind ;)

Irrelevant, she is 23% Iberian and according your own biased words the Iberian component hides North African... But only when it works with Spaniards and not French.

[Dominicanese]

idk i have 25% ssa and 1% west asian, 3% north african

[Kelmendasi]

It means it exist. 2,48% in Tosks and 0,61 in Ghegs.


With your 40% African e1b1 and talking about African genes :rofl:



Irrelevant, she is 23% Iberian and according your own biased words the Iberian component hides North African... But only when it works with Spaniards and not French.
H1 exists in Spaniards as well don't you worry about that
https://s2.postimg.org/eqy9zhiuh/Haplogrupo_H_ADN-_Y.png

[Cristiano viejo]

H1 exists in Spaniards as well don't you worry about that
https://s2.postimg.org/eqy9zhiuh/Haplogrupo_H_ADN-_Y.png

That is H, not specifically H1, right?
No comment that it is only Andalusia, where the Gypsy community is well represented... and fortunately very far where I am from :)

[Kelmendasi]

That is H, not specifically H1, right?
No comment that it is only Andalusia, where the Gypsy community is well represented... and fortunately very far where I am from :)
Just H in general which is a South Asian marker associated with Indians and Romani people

[Cristiano viejo]

Just H in general which is a South Asian marker associated with Indians and Romani people

From now on I will call Gypsies to Andalusians along Albanians.

[Kelmendasi]

From now on I will call Gypsies to Andalusians along Albanians.
Kl, the <1% of H1 in Albanians and Andalusians automatically makes them Gypises, great logic :picard1:

[RN97]

From now on I will call Gypsies to Andalusians along Albanians.

why are you bringing in y-DNA when talking about Autosomal? Gyspies have been in Europe a long time, you can have a gypsy Y-DNA and be less than 1% south Asian........ Probably a lot of gypsies today don't even have that haplogroup, but whatever. The thing is that the discussion was about autosomal and you completely deny any SSA admixture in Spain. Are you actually serious? No real geneticist supports your view. You can only argue how big that admixture is, not whether it exists or not. Why do you do this? I've never seen Finns deny that they have some Siberian admixture.....

[Kelmendasi]

why are you bringing in y-DNA when talking about Autosomal? Gyspies have been in Europe a long time, you can have a gypsy Y-DNA and be less than 1% south Asian........ Probably a lot of gypsies today don't even have that haplogroup, but whatever. The thing is that the discussion was about autosomal and you completely deny any SSA admixture in Spain. Are you actually serious? No real geneticist supports your view. You can only argue how big that admixture is, not whether it exists or not. Why do you do this? I've never seen Finns deny that they have some Siberian admixture.....
Romanis/Gypsies do have still have this Ydna especially the ones in Albania since they have H1 in about over 60%

[RN97]

Romanis/Gypsies do have still have this Ydna especially the ones in Albania since they have H1 in about over 60%

That's still 40% that don't have it meaning that it might be due to admixture with the native Balkanites. I'm not denying that it is a gypsy haplogroup. I'm just saying that today it's not so relevant as people think as Y-DNA is insignificant compared to Autosomal. Y-DNA makes up a tiny minority of autosomal.

[Pahli]

why are you bringing in y-DNA when talking about Autosomal? Gyspies have been in Europe a long time, you can have a gypsy Y-DNA and be less than 1% south Asian........ Probably a lot of gypsies today don't even have that haplogroup, but whatever. The thing is that the discussion was about autosomal and you completely deny any SSA admixture in Spain. Are you actually serious? No real geneticist supports your view. You can only argue how big that admixture is, not whether it exists or not. Why do you do this? I've never seen Finns deny that they have some Siberian admixture.....

No no, Viejo is a perfect ancient WHG individual, the whitest on Earth, 0% non-European.

[Cristiano viejo]

why are you bringing in y-DNA when talking about Autosomal? Gyspies have been in Europe a long time, you can have a gypsy Y-DNA and be less than 1% south Asian........ Probably a lot of gypsies today don't even have that haplogroup, but whatever. The thing is that the discussion was about autosomal and you completely deny any SSA admixture in Spain. Are you actually serious? No real geneticist supports your view. You can only argue how big that admixture is, not whether it exists or not. Why do you do this? I've never seen Finns deny that they have some Siberian admixture.....
But what are you talking boy? I have not denied anything never, the opposite, I have claimed a lot of Europeans countries score SSA, not only Spain, what is totally different than what you are claiming about me :picard1:


No no, Viejo is a perfect ancient WHG individual, the whitest on Earth, 0% non-European.

Let me being just a perfect Spaniard. Thanks.

[RN97]

But what are you talking boy? I have not denied anything never, the opposite, I have claimed a lot of Europeans countries score SSA, not only Spain, what is totally different than what you are claiming about me :picard1:



Let me being just a perfect Spaniard. Thanks.

What other countries/ regions other than Spain, Portugal, South Italy have 2+% SSA? Your logic would be like a Finn saying something like, well I know we're like 5% siberian, but Sweden scores like 1 %, so does Hungary and Romania so what is the problem bruv?

[Cristiano viejo]

What other countries/ regions other than Spain, Portugal, South Italy have 2+% SSA? Your logic would be like a Finn saying something like, well I know we're like 5% siberian, but Sweden scores like 1 %, so does Hungary and Romania so what is the problem bruv?

Spain has not 2+SSA, dont say stupidities. Perhaps as a whole due Canarians but still I have not seen a single dan test about Spaniards where they score such amounts.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=0

[RN97]

Spain has not 2+SSA, dont say stupidities. Perhaps as a whole due Canarians but still I have not seen a single dan test about Spaniards where they score such amounts.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=0

All southern Europeans have some ancient SSA, but Spain has more than most S. Euro people (it depends on the region off course, some areas have pretty much none). If you put together all components with SSA, Spaniards overall has at least 1% SSA, probably more. Just ask PetalPusher he knows more than me either way.

[Cristiano viejo]

All southern Europeans have some ancient SSA, but Spain has more than most S. Euro people (it depends on the region off course, some areas have pretty much none). If you put together all components with SSA, Spaniards overall has at least 1% SSA, probably more. Just ask PetalPusher he knows more than me either way.

As I said, most of European countries score SSA
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=0

[Petalpusher]

All southern Europeans have some ancient SSA, but Spain has more than most S. Euro people (it depends on the region off course, some areas have pretty much none). If you put together all components with SSA, Spaniards overall has at least 1% SSA, probably more. Just ask PetalPusher he knows more than me either way.

He just feigns to see the "NE Africa", which is SSA with some Mota like admix (ancient E.African) and basal. Algerians or Morroccans get both, because it's the same thing, just proportions can widly vary individually at this K. For some people, a K15 will see the SSA as E African and/or Subsaharan, when everything regroups back to one single score of SSA at a lower K. If the partioning at this k means anything on average, it's the input is not from the extremity of the SSA spectrum like full Pygmy, but still SSA all the same.

Some particular groups like Ethiopians_Tygray can get as low as 2% of Sub-Saharan and they are obviously much more SSA, all of it is the "NE Africa" score. Which is normal since they are at low K roughly half SSA half Basal (their caucasoid element), also generally horners. We can even probably infer that 100% Basal would score something like half East_med half Red_sea by their score.

Ethiopian_Tygray
NE Africa 45.95
Red_sea 26.62
East_med 22.70
Sub-Saharan 2.16
...

[Wrong]

All southern Europeans have some ancient SSA, but Spain has more than most S. Euro people (it depends on the region off course, some areas have pretty much none). If you put together all components with SSA, Spaniards overall has at least 1% SSA, probably more. Just ask PetalPusher he knows more than me either way.It depends. Some have less SSA than Northern Euros.

[RN97]

It depends. Some have less SSA than Northern Euros.

Not ancient. N. Euros are closer to mongs and s. Euros to SSA slightly.

[Wrong]

Not ancient. N. Euros are closer to mongs and s. Euros to SSA slightly.
Calculators do not show it any more than it does in Northern Euros.

[user_]

Ok, you dont like SSA cause it makes your ass black, but whats wrong with CHG. If you are not north european, than CHG is good for you, it will make you "whiter", if this is your problem.
Most chg admixed people in the world.

https://youtu.be/cl7oslnl72w

[Wrong]

Ok, you dont like SSA cause it makes your ass black, but whats wrong with CHG. If you are not north european, than CHG is good for you, it will make you "whiter", if this is your problem.
Most chg admixed people in the world.
Everyone in Europe has CHG, even North Europeans.

[RN97]

Calculators do not show it any more than it does in Northern Euros.

Yeah they do. Anatolian farmers/ basal Eurasian/ nartufian etc. are closer to SSA (only slightly) compared to WHG and EHG/ ANE

[Wrong]

Yeah they do. Anatolian farmers/ basal Eurasian/ nartufian etc. are closer to SSA (only slightly) compared to WHG and EHG/ ANE
Affinities. The other components are closer to Negrito which is the same thing.

You see me scoring 0.00% Negrito and or Pygmy while many Northern Euros/Central Euros get atleast 1%.

[RN97]

Affinities. The other components are closer to Negrito which is the same thing.

You see me scoring 0.00% Negrito and or Pygmy while many Northern Euros/Central Euros get atleast 1%.

Negritos are closer to Japanese and Norwegians than SSA

[Wrong]

Negritos are closer to Japanese and Norwegians than SSADue to the longtime split, though they are closely related ancestrally.

[Wrong]

This adds both SSA, Pygmy and Negrito

http://i.imgur.com/94nFzbk.png

[Bell Beaker]

This adds both SSA, Pygmy and Negrito

http://i.imgur.com/94nFzbk.png

That map I take it as a joke.......

[Petalpusher]

Yeah they do. Anatolian farmers/ basal Eurasian/ nartufian etc. are closer to SSA (only slightly) compared to WHG and EHG/ ANE

It's not entirely true, it largely depends what type of farmer you score specifically. You ll find the fst of K13 in CV's post (second tab of the spreadsheet), i have done this already for K15 and many other calculators and it's always the same thing. Just keep in mind fst is a relationship/divergence, probably could see it as last shared ancestry too.


SSA @0
NE Africa @41
South Asian @133
East med @135
West Asian @140
Red Sea @141
North Atlantic @146
West med @150
Baltic @150

NE Africa 0
SSA @41
East med @108
South Asian @113
West Asian @116
Red Sea @121
North Atlantic @122
West Med @124
Baltic @127

[Wrong]

That map I take it as a joke.......
Why? It's better than others I've seen.

[Bell Beaker]

Why? It's better than others I've seen.

The one who scores 2,9% SSA includes a person of mixed Cuban ancestry.

And the SSA in question is not real indeed. The only place in Continental Europe where real SSA can be score is indeed in Southern Portugal but only around the coast.

The Iberian SSA is North African like and it's more related with Basal ancestry than real Black admixture.

[Wrong]

The one who scores 2,9% SSA includes a person of mixed Cuban ancestry.

And the SSA in question is not real indeed. The only place in Continental Europe where real SSA can be score is indeed in Southern Portugal but only around the coast.

The Iberian SSA is North African like and it's more related with Basal ancestry than real Black admixture.Aren't Cubans usually quadroons?

What I'm saying is SSA shows on 23andme in most Iberians which means it's recent(less than 500 years ago) and the further back in time you go, the higher the percentage goes.

I think it's funny the Iberians show tend to emphasize Albanians West Asian admixture(which is ancient) while other groups have more of it such as: Greeks, South Italians, Mediterranean islanders and a good chunk of Bulgarians/Fyromians.

[Bell Beaker]

Aren't Cubans usually quadroons?

The person in question, I read it was half Cuban. Cubans can range from full Black to full White results, but giving that that person score 6% SSA, her cuban parent is probably a octoroon.

[Wrong]

So 9 out of 30 people want to be 1% Sub Saharan African rather than 5% Caucasians?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

So 9 out of 30 people want to be 1% Sub Saharan African rather than 5% Caucasians?

I'm race traitor I know. xD

[Wrong]

Bump

[Gangrel]

If I was 5% more west asian i would be Georgian

[Dick]

why not both

[MercifulServant]

West Asian

[Demon Revival]

I already have like 33% west asian.

[Maguzanci]

Definitely African. But would be even more cool to have Australoid/South Eurasian aka Papuan/Melanesian or Oceanian blood.

[Maguzanci]

So 9 out of 30 people want to be 1% Sub Saharan African rather than 5% Caucasians?

Caucasoids are too overrated.

[amoora]

I'd rather be 41% West Asian :eyes

[Sikeliot]

I'm both.

[Bobby Martnen]

Aren't most Europeans already 5% West Asian?

[Wrong]

Aren't most Europeans already 5% West Asian?
I meant it as additionally added percentages.

[Smeagol]

West Asian of course.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Ssa

[Kamal900]

1% SSA of course. I wonder If I can claim to be Afram for me to enjoy the benefits in America, lol. XD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

1% SSA of course. I wonder If I can claim to be Afram for me to enjoy the benefits in America, lol. XD

If this women with 0% could become a leader of NAACP, why you shouldn't be enjoying affirmative action benefits with 1% SSA.
http://i67.tinypic.com/16kz0hh.jpg

[Kamal900]

If this women with 0% could become a leader of NAACP, why you shouldn't be enjoying affirmative action benefits with 1% SSA.
http://i67.tinypic.com/16kz0hh.jpg

Oh fuck, I remember her. What a self hating woman. It shows you really the cucky nature of the western world which is unfortunate. On the serious note, having negroid admixture would only get you so far, and racial politics in America are indeed very strong.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Oh fuck, I remember her. What a self hating woman. It shows you really the cucky nature of the western world which is unfortunate. On the serious note, having negroid admixture would only get you so far, and racial politics in America are indeed very strong.

Maybe she was not self hating as much she was taking advantage of system, and black also.

[Kamal900]

Maybe she was not self hating as much she was taking advantage of system, and black also.

Most likely, but the anti-White media and the establishment as a whole do make White people feeling guilt and shame for them in not resisting against liberal agendas in their respective countries. Yeah, there was an Indian who pretended to be Black for affirmative action in America. I forgot his name though. Honestly, it's a very freaky and unjust system that openly discriminates people based on their race.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Most likely, but the anti-White media and the establishment as a whole do make White people feeling guilt and shame for them in not resisting against liberal agendas in their respective countries. Yeah, there was an Indian who pretended to be Black for affirmative action in America. I forgot his name though. Honestly, it's a very freaky and unjust system that openly discriminates people based on their race.

I think there's more than just saying plainly media are anti white, in my opinion they took this campaign of establishing equal society wrong, they think or their perception is that whites in general are to be blamed for unequal society however whites as in general are not fault of neglecting minorities success, they established this affirmative action supposedly to tackle exactly that problem however the quota system is ridiculous system as many others (as you pointed one, one case) take advantage of others who were meant to use it, or if we look in another prism, success shouldn't be forced how ethnic/racial mirror of the country is, but should solely go on merits, shouldn't be always about race.

I agree however that whole american society is strongly racial based, which is unhealthy and it could backfire in the long run.

[Kamal900]

I think there's more than just saying plainly media are anti white, in my opinion they took this campaign of establishing equal society wrong, they think or their perception is that whites in general are to be blamed for unequal society however whites as in general are not fault of neglecting minorities success, they established this affirmative action supposedly to tackle exactly that problem however the quota system is ridiculous system as many others (as you pointed one, one case) take advantage of others who were meant to use it, or if we look in another prism, success shouldn't be forced how ethnic/racial mirror of the country is, but should solely go on merits, shouldn't be always about race.

I agree however that whole american society is strongly racial based, which is unhealthy and it could backfire in the long run.

Egalitarianism doesn't exist in this world, and blaming others for the mistakes or failures of one individual or group of people is pathetic. I mean, they think that discriminating against White people is the same as being fair and equal to all peoples which in itself is a very oxymoron reasoning. I mean, how is it anyone's fault if people like Blacks or Mestizos are more prone to criminality than Whites or Asians? It's absurd really.

[Black Panther]

I am 20-25% SSA and more than 5% West Asian, now suck my dick.

[brennus dux gallorum]

i personally already have some west Asian, so i would prefer an SSA for more "variety", extra west Asian or anything else that i already have would be boring

[Kamal900]

i personally already have some west Asian, so i would prefer an SSA for more "variety", extra west Asian or anything else that i already have would be boring

What's your west Asian admixture if you don't mind me asking?

[Cristiano viejo]

The thread is wrong. The better is having nothing of both.

[Jana]

1% SSA

[Kouros]

5% West Asian

[Mingle]

If I pick West Asian, I wonder component I would have a 5% decrease in?

I picked West Asian since I already have a decent amount of it, and picking SSA would introduce a new component.

[Profileid]

Most tests I take give me varying ranges but they come close to what is indicated.


Notice he didn't actually answer this question.
What a weasel.

[Profileid]

The thread is wrong. The better is having nothing of both.

How is it wrong retard. It's a question.

[MEDACHE]

1% SSA if it guarantee a BBC

[Kouros]

If I pick West Asian, I wonder component I would have a 5% decrease in?

I picked West Asian since I already have a decent amount of it, and picking SSA would introduce a new component.

I actually didn't take this into account, good catch. I'm guessing all other components would decrease proportionally.

[TheForeigner]

I'd even rather have 10% West Asian than 1% negroid.

[Cristiano viejo]

If the choice is between being 1% black and 5% Gypsy, and my life would depend of it, I will choose the first.

[Thracian]

West Asia is Anatolia and Caucasus.

SSA or other African are alien to me. So, I prefer West Asia.

[Leto]

If the choice is between being 1% black and 5% Gypsy, and my life would depend of it, I will choose the first.
West Asian is 100% Caucasoid, it peaks in Georgia and Abkhazia. Southeastern Europeans and Southern Italians have the highest amount of it in Europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

West Asian is 100% Caucasoid, it peaks in Georgia and Abkhazia. Southeastern Europeans and Southern Italians have the highest amount of it in Europe.

100% Caucasoid means nothing.

[Mingle]

If the choice is between being 1% black and 5% Gypsy, and my life would depend of it, I will choose the first.Georgians are gypsies? The West Asian component peaks among them.

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[Hadouken]

West Asia is Anatolia and Caucasus.

SSA or other African are alien to me. So, I prefer West Asia.

you already have high west asian no ?

[CommonSense]

5% of something will never show on a phenotype (if that's what you meant)

Not true. There are individuals in most Eastern European countries who look literally half-asian while not having even 5% mongoloid admixture.

[Thracian]

you already have high west asian no ?

Me? I get 16% in Eurogenes k13. Is it highest?

[Hadouken]

Me? I get 16% in Eurogenes k13. Is it highest?

oh ok

[Black Panther]

1% SSA if it guarantee a BBC

You gain 1 cm in penis size for every 1% of SSA-blood.

[Leto]

Not true. There are individuals in most Eastern European countries who look literally half-asian while not having even 5% mongoloid admixture.
Half Asian and 5% mongoloid? Lol, that's not possible. Show actual examples (photos with DNA results) or be a bullshitter.

[Annie999]

Not true. There are individuals in most Eastern European countries who look literally half-asian while not having even 5% mongoloid admixture.
True, but thats because of the eastern euro blood per se, not the admix. Same with some iberians scoring 100% euro and having north african traits. But thats not what the question was about. The question is basically about which mix you prefer, regardless of how the original euro phenotype look, and like I said 5% of anything wont show up on a phenotype (well maybe except SSA, but just in a very few cases).

[CertifiedCracker]

Well, I score both, with West Asian being a good chunk (around 1/4).

[Demon Revival]

True, but thats because of the eastern euro blood per se, not the admix. Same with some iberians scoring 100% euro and having north african traits. But thats not what the question was about. The question is basically about which mix you prefer, regardless of how the original euro phenotype look, and like I said 5% of anything wont show up on a phenotype (well maybe except SSA, but just in a very few cases).

It in fact could be due to Bronze Age admix (which is prehistoric anyway).

[CommonSense]

Half Asian and 5% mongoloid? Lol, that's not possible. Show actual examples (photos with DNA results) or be a bullshitter.

Here. These are two 100% Serbian people. We never mixed with asiatics in recent history and no Serb has ever scored even 5% mongoloid on a DNA test, no matter how they look.

https://glossy.espreso.rs/images_arhive/original/milanstan.jpg

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/imgb/42162/jelena-jankovic-i-want-to-break-top-10-again-.jpg

If you want you can ask Romanians to show you similar examples from their nation. They have more of these types than we do.

[CommonSense]

True, but thats because of the eastern euro blood per se, not the admix. Same with some iberians scoring 100% euro and having north african traits. But thats not what the question was about. The question is basically about which mix you prefer, regardless of how the original euro phenotype look, and like I said 5% of anything wont show up on a phenotype (well maybe except SSA, but just in a very few cases).

No. Eastern European phenotypes aren't even close to mongoloid ones. The comparison with Iberia doesn't quite hit the mark in this case. I'm trying to say that 5% or less of any admixture can in some cases really affect appearance, even though it's usually unnoticable like you said.

[Leto]

Here. These are two 100% Serbian people. We never mixed with asiatics in recent history and no Serb has ever scored even 5% mongoloid on a DNA test, no matter how they look.
Well, until I see their DNA results, I won't agree. 10-15% can easily be noticeable, yes. But 3-4%? Not so sure.

[CommonSense]

Well, until I see their DNA results, I won't agree. 10-15% can easily be noticeable, yes. But 3-4%? Not so sure.

Just use your head. How can a person from this region have such a high amount of asiatic DNA? You think any of us can have 1/6 or 1/7 ancestry from Asia, looool. It's not possible. Here, another example, but this time of a Northern European (Icelander):

http://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/46/2015/08/Bjork4-1.jpg