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Anglojew
03-17-2017, 01:35 PM
Please classify the members of Israel's almost solely American-Jewish baseball team;
Pitchers
19 Dylan Axelrod
http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/zYIrHTPcKnetbeibjZXsFg/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztpbD1wbGFuZTtxPTc1O3c9NjAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/person/Ysports/dylan-axelrod-baseball-headshot-photo.jpg
38 Corey Baker
http://www.milb.com/images/607452/t279/180x270/607452.jpg
27 Jeremy Bleich
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jeremy+Bleich+Pittsburgh+Pirates+Photo+Day+fBucdm2 mYHQl.jpg
54 Richard Bleier
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Qb9wM78Yw0UHTGq-5DKZYSQ4fjI=/0x285:3456x2589/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49715983/usa-today-9149019.0.jpg
32 Craig Breslow
http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/16/03/17/3683312/3/628x471.jpg
41 Danny Burawa
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/17/1a6c5f3b12ec63b17a487d76ef72024c9dcfe2ed.jpg
39 Jake Fishman
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/690524827669680128/05VpJvzM.jpg
33 Tyler Herron
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/patriots/files/2015/04/Tyler-Herron.jpg
35 Jake Kalish
http://www.milb.com/images/592455/t426/180x270/592455.jpg
25 Alex Katz
http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3627624.1332944753!/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_960/image.JPG
4 Kenny Koplove
http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/400/DN/DNNBVXOYSBEQMBT.20141024142532.jpg
17 Dean Kremer
https://www.baseball.org.il/images/SNT/Dean.jpg
26 Jared Lakind
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/592481.jpg
21 Jason Marquis
http://www.jewishbaseballnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/marquis-israel-jersey.jpg
44 Troy Neiman
https://www.baseball.org.il/images/Troy.jpg
16 R.C. Orlan
http://photos.digitalsports.com/1772016/P1290311_fullview.jpg
72 Ryan Sherriff
https://ssl.gannett-cdn.com/usatsimg/image/thumb/650-510nw/9907327.jpg
46 Zack Thornton
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Hfyrzh1VqfjTA2YJ0qhbBCZF4E8=/0x744:2807x2615/1200x800/filters:focal(0x744:2807x2615)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/31840427/470947023.0.jpg
6 Joey Wagman
http://imgix.scout.com/136/1365726.jpg
28 Josh Zeid
http://sportsnola.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/zeid_astros_mug.jpg
Anglojew
03-17-2017, 01:35 PM
Catchers
9 Nick Rickles
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L7epreHJ9I4/maxresdefault.jpg
36 Ryan Lavarnway
https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/1A10RsrGSySnDFY0bN0B
Infielders
5 Scott Burcham
http://www.milb.com/images/664883/t573/180x270/664883.jpg
14 Cody Decker
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/572804.jpg
22 Tyler Krieger
http://www.milb.com/images/623513/t437/180x270/623513.jpg
45 Nate Freiman
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/474384.jpg
29 Ike Davis
http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Ike+Davis+New+York+Mets+Photo+Day+0EDFYvgyvSSl.jpg
56 Ty Kelly
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ty+Kelly+gaREy3qn76Wm.jpg
Outfielders
18 Zach Borenstein
https://www.baseball.org.il/images/P1320310.jpg
23 Sam Fuld
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Oakland+Athletics+Photo+Day+NGuyiF6UL_jl.jpg
2 Blake Gailen
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eQ53G1T3Bxs/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABE/pU7-PRGKFY8/photo.jpg
MysteriousWays
03-17-2017, 02:32 PM
Lots of people here, so not going to classify each individual. I'll focus on general trends.
First, to me, they pass best in France, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria as a group. Their overall phenotypes trend more those typical in Central Europe, towards slightly southern Europe. In terms of phenotypes, I'd say most common blends are Atlanto-Med with minor Alpine maybe, Atlanto-Med with Dinarid, and Alpine-Dinarid (towards Dinarid). I'm wondering if a couple are either not Ashkenazi or are mixed (Kelly, Burcham, and Orlan in particular). Some also have some degree of Taurid influence (hard for me to say to what degree either Armenoid or Dinarid).
Tellerin
03-17-2017, 03:50 PM
38 Corey Baker
Mediterranid+Taurid
54 Richard Bleier
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Probably one of the parrents is Paleo Atlantid wnd the other is Small Med
32 Craig Breslow
Mizrahi מזרחים
Huns looking
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Huns 400-500 AD or Hunno-Bulgars[more precisely the Blak Bulgarians - Kutriguri] 500-700 AD - Europoid Mongoloid mix
[White Bulgarians are Onogurs and then Tatars]
R1a Z-2123
41 Danny Burawa
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
North Pontid - Armenoid
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Bulgars-Utigurs
33 Tyler Herron
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Sarmatian Alans
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R1a Z-2122
25 Alex Katz
Mizrahi מזרחים
Mountain Jews יהודי קווקז
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Bulgars-Utigurs
Van-Bulgars
17 Dean Kremer
Russia South-East Upper Don-Sur-Oka rivers
one of the three types that create the North Pontid blend
26 Jared Lakind
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Central Asiatic
21 Jason Marquis
Mizrahi מזרחים
South East Caucasus - Front Asiatic
44 Troy Neiman
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Red Nordid - Taurid
16 R.C. Orlan
Sephardic
Persian Jews
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Tatars
72 Ryan Sherriff
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
South Caucasus
46 Zack Thornton
Pontid+Oriental
Sephardic
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Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
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common today Bulgaria
6 Joey Wagman
Sephardic distant
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid[distant oriental]
28 Josh Zeid
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic - Front Asiatic
9 Nick Rickles
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic - Front Central Asiatic
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common today Tatarstan Tatars
common today Bulgaria
R1a Z-2123
36 Ryan Lavarnway
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic
14 Cody Decker
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Asiatic
22 Tyler Krieger
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Sephardic early Cohen - distant
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Sarmatian Roxolan
3 of the East Slavic tribes - South Russia Ukraina
Rumania
R1a Z-280
45 Nate Freiman
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Asiatic
29 Ike Davis
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
Pontoid-Caucasiod-Front Asiatic +
Russia South-East Upper Don-Sur-Oka rivers
one of the three types that create the North Pontid blend
56 Ty Kelly
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
predominant
Atlantid-Ladogan[Finno-Ugrian]-Taurid
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subdominant
Caucasoid-Pontoid
18 Zach Borenstein
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Red Nordid - Taurid
23 Sam Fuld
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
North Pontid
2 Blake Gailen
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Nordo-Cromagnoid
Nord Pontid - Falid
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Irano-Nordid
Cromagnoid D
Anglojew
03-18-2017, 04:12 AM
Lots of people here, so not going to classify each individual. I'll focus on general trends.
First, to me, they pass best in France, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria as a group. Their overall phenotypes trend more those typical in Central Europe, towards slightly southern Europe. In terms of phenotypes, I'd say most common blends are Atlanto-Med with minor Alpine maybe, Atlanto-Med with Dinarid, and Alpine-Dinarid (towards Dinarid). I'm wondering if a couple are either not Ashkenazi or are mixed (Kelly, Burcham, and Orlan in particular). Some also have some degree of Taurid influence (hard for me to say to what degree either Armenoid or Dinarid).
Yes, only a couple eg Bleich, R.C. Orlan look specifically "Jewish."
Many are mixed eg Kelly etc reflecting the fact 75% of non-Orthodox Jews now marry a non-Jewish spouse in America (with the majority of their children maintaining some Jewish identity).
About half have blue eyes (about average, or a little above the average, for Ashkenazi Jews in my experience) & don't look specifically "ethnic" although I agree with you that they tend towards looking Central European. I'd say that many still retain some "exotic" features compared to your average non-Jewish Central European (convex nose shape etc) but most are white by even the strictest taxonomic measure although Scott Burcham looks mixed-race.
Anglojew
03-18-2017, 04:18 AM
38 Corey Baker
Mediterranid+Taurid
54 Richard Bleier
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Probably one of the parrents is Paleo Atlantid wnd the other is Small Med
32 Craig Breslow
Mizrahi מזרחים
Huns looking
-------------
Huns 400-500 AD or Hunno-Bulgars[more precisely the Blak Bulgarians - Kutriguri] 500-700 AD - Europoid Mongoloid mix
[White Bulgarians are Onogurs and then Tatars]
R1a Z-2123
41 Danny Burawa
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
North Pontid - Armenoid
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Bulgars-Utigurs
33 Tyler Herron
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Sarmatian Alans
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R1a Z-2122
25 Alex Katz
Mizrahi מזרחים
Mountain Jews יהודי קווקז
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Bulgars-Utigurs
Van-Bulgars
17 Dean Kremer
Russia South-East Upper Don-Sur-Oka rivers
one of the three types that create the North Pontid blend
26 Jared Lakind
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Central Asiatic
21 Jason Marquis
Mizrahi מזרחים
South East Caucasus - Front Asiatic
44 Troy Neiman
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Red Nordid - Taurid
16 R.C. Orlan
Sephardic
Persian Jews
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Tatars
72 Ryan Sherriff
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
South Caucasus
46 Zack Thornton
Pontid+Oriental
Sephardic
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Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
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common today Bulgaria
6 Joey Wagman
Sephardic distant
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid[distant oriental]
28 Josh Zeid
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic - Front Asiatic
9 Nick Rickles
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic - Front Central Asiatic
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common today Tatarstan Tatars
common today Bulgaria
R1a Z-2123
36 Ryan Lavarnway
Mizrahi מזרחים
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Pontoid - Caucasoic
14 Cody Decker
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Asiatic
22 Tyler Krieger
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Sephardic early Cohen - distant
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Sarmatian Roxolan
3 of the East Slavic tribes - South Russia Ukraina
Rumania
R1a Z-280
45 Nate Freiman
Mizrahi מזרחים
Front Asiatic
29 Ike Davis
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
Pontoid-Caucasiod-Front Asiatic +
Russia South-East Upper Don-Sur-Oka rivers
one of the three types that create the North Pontid blend
56 Ty Kelly
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Mizrahi מזרחים
predominant
Atlantid-Ladogan[Finno-Ugrian]-Taurid
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subdominant
Caucasoid-Pontoid
18 Zach Borenstein
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Red Nordid - Taurid
23 Sam Fuld
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
North Pontid
2 Blake Gailen
Ashkenazi אשכנזי
Nordo-Cromagnoid
Nord Pontid - Falid
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Irano-Nordid
Cromagnoid D
Well done.
Zach Borenstein does look East Nordid.
http://www.melanielynnen.com/uploads/2/0/9/2/20923100/2119197_orig.jpg
Many are tall with Nate Freiman 2.03cm the tallest.
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