darwinism is the cause for evil

[revealman]

darwinism is the root of evil behaviour of one human to another, because darwinists do not believe in a god and only believe in the "might is right/stronger survives", they automatically see other human beings as prey.. they do not see the divine in every human being, they only see prey to be preyed on and to be overpowered, used as a slave, as cattle/goyum/infidels

darwinist folowers always treated poeple like catlle, they do not see the divine in animals and humans, they only see them as mechanical robots. so this enables them to cunningly exploit, enslave, kill and torture other beings without remorse!

darwinists are atheists, for atheists are also believing only in naturalism/materialism

socialism/communism/fascism/tribalism are based on darwinism!

hitler only pretended to be christian for strategic reasons(vatican italy allies), he said he likes to destroy christianity in several quotes.

the elites of this planet are darwinists/atheists this is why atheism/darwinism and evolution without god is promoted in every modern school! the elites justify their wars, slavery, usury etc. by darwinism and atheism, for when there is no god and nature is favouring the stronger, there is no need for moral behavious, guilt or compassion... this is the satanic(yes real satanists are atheist they do not beileive in god) "do what you willt" philosophy of the elites/politicians of this world.. this is pure nihilism

thus they push darwinism and atheism onto modern society as they did in their former socialist/communist systems..

[revealman]

http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3984/the-social-weapon-darwinism/chapter/5126
https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress.com/2015/04/20/420-hitlers-high-holiday/
http://www.fggam.org/2017/02/to-hitler-the-church-is-a-monstrosity-to-be-destroyed-by-every-means-fdr-dec-15-1941/

Hitler forced old traditional military generals to retire, thus purging his administration of any still retaining a remnant of “archaic” Judeo-Christian values who might resist him.


Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels confided in The Goebbels Diaries 1939-41, that in reality Hitler “hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity.”

https://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/hitlers-war-on-christianity-quotes/

Same goes for Mao, Stalin etc.

[revealman]

christ, buddha etc. preached universal compassion, to see the godly spark in every living being and to treat them accordingly

atheism/darwinsim preaches tribalism , separatims, egocentrism, selfishness and naturalism, imperialism (might is right), in other words to exploit, torture, kill, enslave etc. is ok because darwinism says the stronger dominanting the weak is the law of existence..

christianity/buddhism = higher self = divine nature

darwinism/atheism/nihilism = lower self = animal nature

the elites of this world sow hate, duality, separation, conflicts and divide the minds and conquer the souls of humans just to keep you in your lower self, so they can exploit and control you!

they keep you stuck in your lower ego, lower self.. the church has nothing to with real christianity, it is a corupt, pedophile imperialistic whore of babylon!

an enlightened being would never support hitler and mussolini or make inquisitions! the church is satanic and the priests are not enlightened saints but fat, pedophile drunkards who get rich by taking money of naive believers who think money pays back their sins.. vatican is the biggest satanci mafia on the planet!

they keep you stuck in dualistic mode of thinking , lower ego, fanaticism, hate for other religions and races...

this is exact opposite of what christ/buddha preached.. priests are not saints but the same old pharisees!

same goes for the priests of scientific religion of atheism, they preach materialism and darwinism!

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Remember the world before Darwin? The good old days when everyone lived peacefully.

[revealman]

Remember the world before Darwin? The good old days when everyone lived peacefully.
darwin did not invent naturalism, it was here since the beginning. it does not change the fact that he is responsible for naturalism/materialism/atheism being so widely spread

might is right and stronger eats weaker is the main reason for all wars and conflicts of human history

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

darwin did not invent naturalism, it was here since the beginning. it does not change the fact that he is responsible for naturalism/materialism/atheism being so widely spread

might is right and stronger eats weaker is the main reason for all wars and conflicts of human history

Human nature is a funny thing. In nations where people are freely able to choose their religion, or be agnostic or atheist, are nations that have high numbers of atheists more peaceful or violent than those with populations where the people believe in a God?

[revealman]

Human nature is a funny thing. In nations where people are freely able to choose their religion, or be agnostic or atheist, are nations that have high numbers of atheists more peaceful or violent than those with populations where the people believe in a God?
i would say secular/atheist countries are definitely more decadent and self destructive, look at the rate of suicides, divorces, mental disorders, alcoholism in western world, japan and scandinavia ;) then go on and look at the horror in which people live in atheist communist countries.. it explains it all! atheism in secular countries leads to decadence, depression and moral decay = self destructive, atheism in communist countries leads to opression, torture, murder.. so in other words atheists in democtratic countries kill themselves by decadence while atheists in communist countries are killed by their regime. the result is the same..

by the way, western secular nations are not more peaceful! it is just your delusion!

now in comparison to secular usa, france and britain, show me which country did religious countries such as syria, iran, lybia invade in the last 60 years ?!!!!

secular nations are so damn peaceful :D (cynism)

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

somehow your theory just does not seem to apply :D

http://s12.postimg.org/68dz8rufx/us_world_domination_tour_bombing_a_country_near.jp g

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

i would say secular countries are definitely more decadent and self destructive, look at the rate of suicides, divorces, mental disorders, alcoholism in western world, japan and scandinavia ;) then go on and look at the horror in which people live in atheist communist countries.. it explains it all! atheism in secular countries leads to decadence, depression and moral decay = self destructive, atheism in communist countries leads to opression, torture, murder.. so in other words atheists in democtratic countries kill themselves by decadence while atheists in communist countries are killed by their regime. the result is the same..

With an easier life comes too much free time. Free time eats people up inside. Living day to day gives people a purpose despite their misery. People with an easy life with too much free time on their hands need to find a purpose or they die inside.



by the way, western secular nations are not more peaceful! it is just your delusion!

You mean the decline in violence in Western secular nations is a delusion? I've looked at crime statistics gathered over time and research looking as far back as the Middle Ages. Secular Europe is very much more safer than religious Europe even with the high rate of non-European crime.


now in comparison, show me which country did religious countries such as syria, iran, lybia invade in the last 60 years ?!!!!

Um, dude... Syria attacked Israel a couple of times, Iran had a brutal 10 year war with Iraq, and Libya, of course, was one of the happiest places to live...


secular nations are so damn peaceful :D (cynism)

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/

Yeah, they are. All those wars listed involves the US. The US is the Western nation with the most religious people. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, etc. are secular with a large number of atheists. When was the last time Sweden had a war?

Thanks for proving my point. I totally knew how you'd approach my question.

[revealman]

With an easier life comes too much free time. Free time eats people up inside. Living day to day gives people a purpose despite their misery. People with an easy life with too much free time on their hands need to find a purpose or they die inside.




You mean the decline in violence in Western secular nations is a delusion? I've looked at crime statistics gathered over time and research looking as far back as the Middle Ages. Secular Europe is very much more safer than religious Europe even with the high rate of non-European crime.



Um, dude... Syria attacked Israel a couple of times, Iran had a brutal 10 year war with Iraq, and Libya, of course, was one of the happiest places to live...



Yeah, they are. That's the US. The US is the most religious Western nation. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, etc. are secular with a large number of atheists. When was the last time Sweden had a war?

Thanks for proving my point. I totally knew how you'd approach my question.

no it is not just the u.s, look at the list of countries the brits, french and germans invaded or attacked in last 60 years! not to speak of colonial times and their imperialistic war history of the last 500 years.. by the way imperialism has nothing to do with religion! it is pure materialism! western europe and america made and still make most wars in all history of mankind! their wars are not religous wars but materialistic wars! war on terrorism and war on dictators is juts another code word for gold, oil, metals, diamonds and gas.. ;)

so in no way are secular countries more peaceful! they made most wars in whole history of mankind! all out of materialistic reasons! the only wars made by western countries, which can be counted as religious were the inquisitions/crusades! but the church still robbed material goods, even during those seemingly religous wars..

just because your country is safe and has lower crime rates, does not mean your country is more peaceful. since your country instills most of the wars we had in last 300 years!!! it does not make you a peaceful man if you are peaceful in your basement(at home) but violent on the streets(in other countries) ;) get me? or do you need an easier example? :D

and by the way people in western world are more peaceful, because they take all the resources by force from other continents and their standard of living is far beyond being met, so they do not need to become criminal at home since they have high standard of life, caused by robbing poorer countries. they are criminals behind own borders, but behave at home ;) poorer countries are more violent cause they have not even basic needs met, nothing to do with religion! now i can finally see how dumb and irrational your logic is...

in scandinavia people are dependent on each other thus the selection for a more K-strategy for survival(peaceful ingroup altruism), nothing to do with religion at all!

scandinavian countries are socialist countries, this is why crime rates are low, not because of atheism.. :D they must pay 40-50% taxes so they can have equal service to everyone, if they would live in a more capitalist society with big class differences, the crime rates would double.. just because the wellfare socialists let everybody live a high standard of life is the only reason there are lower crime rates! nothing to do with religion/atheism! again a logical flaw of yours.. hapiness is always measured by the standard of living, which is determined by a countries politics not by its faith!

did you study somehing at all? cause you seem to have many thinking flaws in regards to politics, sociology and history...

now look at the suicidal rate in your beloved scandinavia.

then look up the standard of life in most atheist country in the world = north korea!

stiil holding on to your pipedream?

you proved absoulutely nothing, besides your flawed logic.. ;)

criminality has nothing to do with religion, it has all to do with poverty! since secular western states invade other continents and steal their resources, it is no wonder they are criminal... since they are poor and a poor person does anything to survive. criminality is a thing of living standards, not religion! same goes for middle ages, poor people were more criminal to survive cause the kings confiscated all wealth and most people were poor farmers and serfs.. again the reason for criminality rates is state politics, not religion..

now look at sardinians or seventh day adventists, they crime rates are zero, they have most centenarians and vital health till old age! they are both not atheist!

now tell me peace has something to do with religion/atheism... in fact the biggest atrocities on mankind in the last 100 years were orchestrated by atheist regimes (castro, mao, stalin, kim jong, etc.) and by european colonialism and imperisliasm which was all profit oriented and had no religious cause...

colonialism and imperialism is pure darwinistic/naturalist, it seeks to subjugate the weak, captur territory and resources.. nothing religious at all! and guess who made most wars and invaded most countries? secular western countries!

[Proto-Shaman]

R1b's became mostly evil, while R1a's stayed loyal to spirituality and goodness. We can see it in the mentality of R1b people, mostly atheist, capitalist and mavericks, while Slavs, cental asian Turkics and Indo-Aryans have dominant empathic features with strongly pronounced family structures.

[Robocop]

I don't think Darwinism is cause of all evil, cause of all evil are people who are unable to compromise (with others around them) about their lifestyle, behaviour, opinion etc...

Such people are SCUM of the Earth (and I dont regret using this word SCUM for such people, they are true scum, there is no redemption for them, neither do they want it), they will never change, such ppl, no way..., such people would rather die or lose everything than admit their mistake or mistakes, just once.

I bet everyone here met (or unfortunately have) such person (or a lot of them) in his/her life one way or another (in work, relatives, or even relationships), those people are SCUM, I have no words of comfort for such individuals. You can find them in any racial groups, national groups etc...

And this has nothing to do with Darwinism, or with Religions as such, those people are natural-born SCUMS, plain and simple, they are also in true meaning of word; INFERIOR, nevermind they think they're superior, in fact they're Inferior scums to the core.

Cheers

[crazyladybutterfly]

Remember the world before Darwin? The good old days when everyone lived peacefully.

OH THE CHRISTIAN COMPASSION TOWARDS THE GIRLS OF MAGDEBOURG :rolleyes:

[crazyladybutterfly]

darwin only explained the evolution . there is social darwinism though which leads to lack of compassion towards the weak.
and atheism doesnt preach anything, it is simply not having a religion. as an atheist myself i recognize that a religion might help someone going on , after all religions are a coping mechanism , and might give some morality to those with low empathy but this doesnt mean that atheism itself is the cause of self destruction and indifference towards others' pain , rather the cause is the shitty human nature .. we evolved not to care much about others .

[crazyladybutterfly]

With an easier life comes too much free time. Free time eats people up inside. Living day to day gives people a purpose despite their misery. People with an easy life with too much free time on their hands need to find a purpose or they die inside.




You mean the decline in violence in Western secular nations is a delusion? I've looked at crime statistics gathered over time and research looking as far back as the Middle Ages. Secular Europe is very much more safer than religious Europe even with the high rate of non-European crime.



Um, dude... Syria attacked Israel a couple of times, Iran had a brutal 10 year war with Iraq, and Libya, of course, was one of the happiest places to live...



Yeah, they are. All those wars listed involves the US. The US is the Western nation with the most religious people. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, etc. are secular with a large number of atheists. When was the last time Sweden had a war?

Thanks for proving my point. I totally knew how you'd approach my question.

arent they part of nato? they participate in murican wars

[revealman]

in fact all our current problems would be minimized to greater extent if humans would follow religious teachings of brotherhood and compassion and treat others as themselves!

most problems humanity face and has faced since we emerged (nowdays and in the past/ history) are/were caused by materialistic/darwinistic/naturalistic thinking and behaviour! greed, territorial behaviour, inequality and oppression are caused by the "might is right" aka "stronger survives" mindset!

religion teaches us to be less selfish, fair and generous

materialism/darwinism teaches us to be more selfish, greedy and competitive

since every cause has an an effect, we are where we are now..

the current state of humanity reflects its current state of mind!

we see the same pattern in nature, the more cooperative and altruistic a species, the more chance of survival, the higher the standard of living.. the more competitive and selfish, the worse...

[crazyladybutterfly]

in fact all our current problems would be minimized to greater extent if humans would follow religious teachings of brotherhood and compassion and treat others as themselves!

most problems humanity face and has faced since we emerged (nowdays and in the past/ history) are/were caused by materialistic/darwinistic/naturalistic thinking and behaviour! greed, territorial behaviour, inequality and oppression are caused by the "might is right" aka "stronger survives" mindset!

religion teaches us to be less selfish, fair and generous

materialism/darwinism teaches us to be more selfish, greedy and competitive

since every cause has an an effect, we are where we are now..

the current state of humanity reflects its current state of mind!

we see the same pattern in nature, the more cooperative and altruistic a species, the more chance of survival, the higher the standard of living.. the more competitive and selfish, the worse...

depends on the religion

[revealman]

OH THE CHRISTIAN COMPASSION TOWARDS THE GIRLS OF MAGDEBOURG :rolleyes:
so now rapeing is caused by religion just because there are some rapists amongst muslims, christians, hindus etc?

what about all those white rapists in european and us prisons who had no religious background/motive?

you still believe if a man from a muslim country rapes a woman in europe that the main cause is religion? what about hormones and the fact that in many countries those men have scarcity of women and are not used to seeing half naked women walking around? in my opinion most rapes are not motivated by religions but natural instincts of men who are more impulsive by nature

and by the way, when american soldiers raped women in vietnam, or those white soldiers tortured prisoners at guantanamo, was it also religions fault? :D

one could argue those men behave more primitive and have less self control, but it has very little to do with their faith. it has more to do with hormones and impulsive behaviour than anything else

and do not get me wrong, everybody knows i am not a big fan of islam

but most muslims i met in my life when traveling germany, austria and switzerland are all not following the koran, most of them i met drunk in nightclubs.. i would say impuslivity is not caused by religion, middle easterners and souuthern europeans are more impulsive and have hotter temperament, compared to central and northern europeans. therefore i think their behaviour has more to do with temperament than with their faith..

[revealman]

depends on the religion
agree

or depends on the verses and types of teachings we choose to follow :)

it is the same with your everyday life, it will be the result of your actions which are determined by the philosophy you choose to live by ;)

[Ülev]

(...)

http://s12.postimg.org/68dz8rufx/us_world_domination_tour_bombing_a_country_near.jp g


:picard2:

dominated by Americans South Korea is still much better than dominated by Soviet ideology North Korea

[revealman]

I don't think Darwinism is cause of all evil, cause of all evil are people who are unable to compromise (with others around them) about their lifestyle, behaviour, opinion etc...

Such people are SCUM of the Earth (and I dont regret using this word SCUM for such people, they are true scum, there is no redemption for them, neither do they want it), they will never change, such ppl, no way..., such people would rather die or lose everything than admit their mistake or mistakes, just once.

I bet everyone here met (or unfortunately have) such person (or a lot of them) in his/her life one way or another (in work, relatives, or even relationships), those people are SCUM, I have no words of comfort for such individuals. You can find them in any racial groups, national groups etc...

And this has nothing to do with Darwinism, or with Religions as such, those people are natural-born SCUMS, plain and simple, they are also in true meaning of word; INFERIOR, nevermind they think they're superior, in fact they're Inferior scums to the core.

Cheers

i agree that there are assholes in every culture


but still promoting darwinism and atheism in schools and society as western world does is contraproductive, kids then think if there is no god and in nature stronger survives, than i can do anything and get away with it, i can treat others badly and bully them just because they are weaker.. i can cheat steal, lie and be violent because there is no god anyway.. which leads exactly to the decadence and decay we see in western society today !!

this toxic individualism and sefishness we see in modern days is primariliy caused by people losing their traditional christian values

[Robocop]

in fact all our current problems would be minimized to greater extent if humans would follow religious teachings of brotherhood and compassion and treat others as themselves!

I believe in God in my own way, I strongly believe, means Im not Atheist, but I dont believe in God trough any of religions neither.

And while I agree with you about this if ppl would follow religious teachings they would be good, we have a problem here, in this word; RELIGIONS, It's PLURAL.

You cannot expect from religions to respect each others in the long run, conflict will come sooner or later, either direct conflict or theological/philosophical conflict.

Not spiritual conflict, because I dont think those religions have anything spiritual as insitutions, rock on Mars is more spiritual than them.

I do respect person who follow some religion and do not place his/her religions above others, and not having any stereotypes about others, but you know very well such religious ppl are rare, they're not majority amongst their group.



most problems humanity face and has faced since we emerged (nowdays and in the past/ history) are/were caused by materialistic/darwinistic/naturalistic thinking and behaviour! greed, territorial behaviour, inequality and oppression are caused by the "might is right" aka "stronger survives" mindset!

No no, I don't agree with you about this. Human problems became obvious IMO in Eneolithic period (4500-4000 BC), and this has nothing to do with Darwinism. In that period humanity discovered first metal, copper, and in that period first Economy appeared, and human nature as such revealed itself what it is truly, in majority of ppl.

Till Eneolithic, ppl lived in community, shared wealth as much as they could, but in Eneolithic trade/economy started, hierarchy appeared, and by default of humanity mindset; monopoly on knowledge.

Means, in Eneolithic if individual would know how to make a copper AXE or copper tool, he wouldn't share that knowledge, but he would trade that AXE or tool for 20 or 100 sheeps, while still possessing knowledge how to make more copper AXES and tools, but why would he share such knowledge with rest of ppl? He is greedy bastard, so he wants it all, nevermind he didnt discovered copper, but he will use it for greedy nature of his.

And btw, as species, we didn't evolved much in mindset since Eneolithic, I would say we stayed exactly the same as that person who knew how to make copper AXE & tools and trade it for 100 sheeps.

Core of human economy and trade, from dawn of Human economy was A GREED, even destruction of others if necessary in his/her goal.




religion teaches us to be less selfish, fair and generous

If someone cannot teach him/herself of moral and how to be fair and generous, then there is no religion or institution which can make you learn this things, religions can only teach ppl how to act they are like that, but under the surface, majority of them are hypocritical monsters.

I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.

Religions don't have any credits anymore what so ever, NONE. I don't care if some Christians or Muslim or Hindu etc comes here and says to me; "those who killed others in the name of our religion are not us", or really? So who the Hell are you then? It seems to me that the only constat of all religions was exactly that; killing in the name of your religion and then making excuses for those who did it, well screw that..., I don't have time to wait for religion mumbo jumbo about perfect age of their religion which will NEVER come, they themselves are making sure of that.




materialism/darwinism teaches us to be more selfish, greedy and competitive

:picard1: :D

Omg... :), anyway... I already explained to you how everythin started and it has nothing to do with Darwinism.

[revealman]

:picard2:

dominated by Americans South Korea is still much better than dominated by Soviet ideology North Korea
have you seen the rates of alcoholism and scuicide in south korea?

by the way north korea is the most atheist country on the planet so it disproves the theory of colonel frank, that atheist countries have better standard of living and are more peaceful..

as far a s i know inhabitants of usa are still christians by majority ;) not atheists

and i also know in the past america had a lower crime rate than nowdays, in those times majority of americans lived in christian communities. nowdays secular atheism is making a mess in the country.. money and materialism became the new religion, everyone worships money so the crime rates went up cause everyone wants his piece of cake.. same goes for western europe

or you want to tell me seriously that the switch from traditional christian values to secular atheism improved our society?

just look at this: https://i.imgur.com/4rOFxGX.jpg

[revealman]

I believe in God in my own way, I strongly believe, means Im not Atheist, but I dont believe in God trough any of religions neither.

And while I agree with you about this if ppl would follow religious teachings they would be good, we have a problem here, in this word; RELIGIONS, It's PLURAL.

You cannot expect from religions to respect each others in the long run, conflict will come sooner or later, either direct conflict or theological/philosophical conflict.

Not spiritual conflict, because I dont think those religions have anything spiritual as insitutions, rock on Mars is more spiritual than them.

I do respect person who follow some religion and do not place his/her religions above others, and not having any stereotypes about others, but you know very well such religious ppl are rare, they're not majority amongst their group.



No no, I don't agree with you about this. Human problems became obvious IMO in Eneolithic period (4500-4000 BC), and this has nothing to do with Darwinism. In that period humanity discovered first metal, copper, and in that period first Economy appeared, and human nature as such revealed itself what it is truly, in majority of ppl.

Untill Eneolithic, ppl lived in community, shared wealth as much as they could, but in Eneolithic trade/economy started, hierarchy appeared, and by default of humanity mindset; monopoly on knowledge.

Means, in Eneolithic if individual would know how to make a copper AXE or copper tool, he wouldn't share that knowledge, but he would trade that AXE or tool for 20 or 100 sheeps, while still possessing knowledge how to make more copper AXES and tools, but why would he share such knowledge with rest of ppl? He is greedy bastard, so he wants it all, nevermind he didnt discovered copper, but he will use it for greedy nature of his.

And btw, as species, we didn't evolved much in mindset since Eneolithic, I would say we stayed exactly the same as that person who knew how to make copper AXE & tools and trade it for 100 sheeps.

Core of human economy and trade, from dawn of Human economy was A GREED, even destruction of others if necessary in his/her goal.




If someone cannot teach him/herself of moral and how to be fair and generous, then there is no religion or institution which can make you learn this things, religions can only teach ppl how to act they are like that, but under the surface, majority of them are hypocritical monsters.

I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.

Religions don't have any credits anymore what so ever, NONE. I don't care if some Christians or Muslim or Hindu etc comes here and says to me; "those who killed others in the name of our religion is not us", or really? So who the Hell are you then? It seems to me that the only constat of all religions was exactly that; killing in the name of your religion and then making excuses for those who did it, well screw that..., I don't have time to wait for religion mumbo jumbo about perfect age of their religion which will NEVER come, they themselves are making sure of that.




:picard1: :D

Omg... :), anyway... I already explained to you how everythin started and it has nothing to do with Darwinism.

you say basically the same i stated here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181764-agricultural-societies-the-root-of-all-evil

ps. you cannot eliminate judgement because it is a fucntion of the human mind, judgements lead to conflict.. since judgement is a part of human mind, judgement leads to conflicts, it will not be eliminated by abandonment of religions alone.. human beings will always find a way to separate themselves and create conflict based on class, status, looks, behaviour, race, ethnicity etc..

the purpose of philosophy and religion has always been to unite us not to divide us.

different cultures also create conflict, so you want eliminate them too?

i smell communism.. :D

ps, a virtuous and noble human being has no problems accepting any kind of culture and religion as long as they accept his way of life.. it is all about the character of a human being how he gets along with different people

[Insuperable]

I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.


This age comparison for Christianity and Islam is redundant and waste of time since shitslam was founded on subhuman principles by subhuman. I won't argue did Christianity made world as a whole better or worse place, but for the sake of the argument lets assume that Christianity made the world a worse place to be. If you have wars, killings or whatever on your mind obviously this was only done in the name of Christianity because as you put it people are scum. Christianity itself is not guilty of it per se. It onyll bears a guilt because of its existence and being a 'tool' used by people which you describe as natural born scums.

Now about your comparison with communism. Or better yet let me at first put it in the same basket as Christianity so you get a picture, as a tool. Marx according to one view (the prevalent one) did not advocate totalitarianism, but that totalitarian communism came with Lenin. So what did people do with Marx views? Yes, they created a totalitarian non-democratic countries responsible for many deaths. Now, if Marx was directly responsible for communism the world had come to know (meaning he advocated totalitarianism) how the fuck can you put it next to Christianity? Would you not think that you are going back in circles with what is meant to be good and what is meant to be bad?

[revealman]

i agree

religion is always misused as an excuse, a tool for starting wars and conquests, it is not religious fault per se

it is the same as the supposed "war on terror" which is nothing but war for oil and world power ;) but sheeple think usa and nato are fighting terror and islam..

human greed is the main source of all wars and conflicts

do unto others as you wish them to do unto you shall be the law..

but sadly most humans use the satanic "do what you willt" as their law

[revealman]

The social structure envisaged by Darwinism needs to be accurately identified. Like all other materialist theories, Social Darwinism, maintaining that people are selfish creatures who live solely for their own interests, responsible solely to themselves, can never bring proper moral values and happiness to individuals or to society as a whole. In order to acquire proper moral values and happiness, a person needs to abandon selfish desires. Religious moral values, as commanded by our Lord, teach people how this will be.

If people have faith in God's commandments, then they will feel compassion and affection towards others.

Those who love and fear God and obey His commandments, see other people as beings He created, and make no distinctions between them on grounds of race, nation, skin color or language. In every human being, they see beauty created by God, and take pleasure in that beauty. Their faith makes them loving, compassionate and protective. However, someone brainwashed by Darwinism's falsehoods looks down on other races and nations, feels justified in oppressing and even eradicating them, and spreads nothing but tension, unhappiness and fear. The racism and imperialism witnessed in the 19th and 20th centuries are the result of this Darwinist world view.
http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3984/the-social-weapon-darwinism/chapter/5126

[revealman]

Based on various lines of evidence, not limited to the conceptual error that 200,000 years ago, newly-minted Homo sapiens were modern social humans, I see an important problem. Modern social behavior is the result of 10 – 15,000 years of domestication and urbanization, of humans moving into agricultural zones, creating dense clusters of settlements, which of necessity required selection for obedience, magical thinking, and compliant personalities, and if you didn’t fit in, you were run off or eliminated. Homo sapiens self-domesticated using the same methods that were successful in redesigning the few animal species that could be domesticated. The result was Homo sapiens sapiens, or modern social humans.

Selection for juvenile traits, especially in females, which are linked to both behavior and physical appearance, resulted in increased fertility, tolerance of being ‘handled’ and living in close quarters, and shorter, not longer, life spans due to slavery, violence, overwork, poor nutrition and the easy spread of viral and bacterial infections and degradation of the environment – critically the pollution of water sources. The study of Archaeology is crowded with failure: “advanced” urban and agricultural “empires” that had to be abandoned, with a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle or partial agricultural (slash and burn subsistence) that remains to this day and continues to destroy tropical forests.

I find it quite unbelievable that 10,000 years of technical invention and the accumulation of Culture, which modern humans depend on, and indeed could not survive without, can be utterly ignored as a significant definition of Homo sapiens sapiens. Individuals today can literally spend their lives sitting on a couch in front of a TV, and be supplied food, clothing, shelter, energy and entertainment by other humans, often thousands of miles distant, who are essentially captive prey who live in dreadful conditions.

No wild human lived like this. Each individual had to be intelligent, curious, and a fast learner, and to shoulder the responsibilities of adulthood. Wild humans had to be continuously aware of the total environment, and be prepared to act instantly when challenged by danger and opportunity. Everyone had a job and shared the work of survival. Modern social humans would utterly fail to measure up.

As populations diverged into two types, agricultural – urban, and nomadic hunter – gatherer, the behavior of urban humans became more aggressively hierarchical and steeply stratified into predator and prey classes. Expansion became an inevitable response to inadequate food supplies and growing population. It’s still “Good to be Pharaoh” whether or not one lives in a quasi democracy or worships the “worst males” Dictators, Gods, Popes or Wall Street crooks; the top of the social hierarchy writes the rules.
What did happen to Wild Humans?

Modern humans exterminated them, not 100,000, 50,000 or 20,000 years ago, but during recent history, and are still using capitalism, colonialism, religionism, environmental destruction, war-mongering, starvation, cultural aggression, and species extermination – scorched earth policies, to eliminate any and all competition.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181764-agricultural-societies-the-root-of-all-evil

[Antimage]

Before Darwin wrote his book, people didn't do anything bad?

[revealman]

Before Darwin wrote his book, people didn't do anything bad?
we were discussing this question already, read from page 1. ;)

ps. naturalism was here long before darwin wrote his hypothesis, but his hypothesis is based on naturalism and naturalism spread to our school system and society through darwinism.. this is why i say darwinism is responsible
for materialistic/selfish/nihilistic thinking..

of course humans have done evil long before darwin emerged, but their animosity towards each other was mainly caused by tribalism, territoriality, racism, might is right etc. which are all based on naturalism. the same philosophy darwin held on to. us versus them, instead of we the poeple. separateness versus unity. religions tried to unify people, while naturalism divides us according to race, ethnicity, status, looks, jobs, talents, fitness etc..

naturalism is the root of social darwinism, social darwinists have no morality or conscience. they follow philosophy of stronger eats weaker..

[Peterski]

and atheism doesnt preach anything, it is simply not having a religion.

The problem is religious mindset. I know people who are religious but do not have religious mindsets. I also know atheists who have religious mindsets. These atheists are religious in their fervour - as if they "converted to atheism", which is a substitute or a surrogate of religion for them.

Sadly Colonel Frank Grimes counts as an atheist with a religious mindset to me. Another atheist with a religious mindset on TA, in my opinion, is that "T-something" guy (I can't spell it from memory) with a turtle in his avatar. And one of Albanian users is like this as well.

Even if all religions disappeared, all of these people with religious mindsets would still exist. So nothing would change in fact. By the way "simply not having a religion" includes more than just atheists. It includes also agnostics, deists, and many theists.

I would even argue that atheism is more complex than just "simply" not having a religion.

[Robocop]

This age comparison for Christianity and Islam is redundant and waste of time since shitslam was founded on subhuman principles by subhuman. I won't argue did Christianity made world as a whole better or worse place, but for the sake of the argument lets assume that Christianity made the world a worse place to be. If you have wars, killings or whatever on your mind obviously this was only done in the name of Christianity because as you put it people are scum. Christianity itself is not guilty of it per se. It onyll bears a guilt because of its existence and being a 'tool' used by people which you describe as natural born scums.

We can debate about nature (core) of Christianity and Islam, but that would lead this thread into totally another direction, and we have plenty of threads about Islam and Christianity etc...

And yes, I agree with you that it is not fault of Christianity AS CHRISTIANITY but it is fault of CHRISTIANS, same goes for Muslims, why? Because as you said, I called ppl (majority) as natural born scums (not with birth, but slowly and surely later, we can also debate is someone scum by DNA), but because of that all of this religions are a joke..., they're insult to Intelligence and true Spiritualism, not Christ as Christ, but Christianity as religion, same goes for others.

Question, did Christ wanted religion called Christianity? No. We cannot find in any Biblical literature, or non-Biblical that Jesus ever demanded for CHRISTIAN RELIGION, yet, that same religion is created as we know it today not in first 300 of Christianity (true Christianity) but from 324 AD till today (and that Christianity is ...I dont want even to use word what it is, because I would insult a lot of ppl).

In Islam (let's say somethin about Islam as well), it is somewhat different situation, from start of Islam there is demanding of Islamization, there is demand of that, from Muhammad as prophet, but if you try to see things in the long run you will notice both of this religions (and others) have no purpose, no spiritual or intelligent purpose what so ever for individual.

I will now say somethin which I never said on this forum because I didn't wanted to insult anyone, it is not in my nature to insult anyone on spiritual grounds, but to me personally every individual who base her/his life according to one religion is INFERIOR INDIVIDUAL by spirituality and... at the end of the day by Intelligence as well.

I am sorry for saying this (not saying to you, but for those who are reading this). Why are they Inferior you may ask? Because they're weak...

They're weak mentally and spiritually to find their own spiritual way, their own universal truth (which sounds like oxymoron but it is not).

They are unable to find that on their own, so what they do? They come to forum for example, or on TV, or in public, DEFENDING their religion, demanding someone follows that religion as "TRUTH"? Whose truth? It is not even their individual truth (because they learned it from another MAN, nevermind Muhammad or Jesus) let alone truth as truth.

And I dont think I will change anything with sayin this, majority of ppl will remain as they are, not only they will remain as such, but I will now maybe get a lot of replies on this, IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING "their" religion. Pathetic, pathetic for that certain individual mindset. No offence to anyone.



Now about your comparison with communism. Or better yet let me at first put it in the same basket as Christianity so you get a picture, as a tool. Marx according to one view (the prevalent one) did not advocate totalitarianism, but that totalitarian communism came with Lenin. So what did people do with Marx views? Yes, they created a totalitarian non-democratic countries responsible for many deaths. Now, if Marx was directly responsible for communism the world had come to know (meaning he advocated totalitarianism) how the fuck can you put it next to Christianity? Would you not think that you are going back in circles with what is meant to be good and what is meant to be bad?

Exactly.

I was referring to Communism from paper not from practise, because in practise (in hands of Humans) Communism turned bad as Religions.

I always use one analogy for Communist idea; It's like you would give to chimpanzee AK-47, you learn chimpanzee how to use AK-47 and then you expect out of the blu that same chimpanzee will use it for purpose of peace?

Cammon... :)

Chimpanzee will use it to become ALPHA amongst others chimpanzees, same as Homo Sapiens will use either Communism or Religion to become ALPHA on certain area in the name of his personal goal, and goal of group of ppl he belongs or he/she thinks that he/she belongs.

And this has nothing to do with Darwinism, this is a story of Humanity itself, at least for 6500 years.

[revealman]

The problem is religious mindset. I know people who are religious but do not have religious mindsets. I also know atheists who have religious mindsets. These atheists are religious in their fervour - as if they "converted to atheism", which is a substitute or a surrogate of religion for them.

Sadly Colonel Frank Grimes counts as an atheist with a religious mindset to me. Another atheist with a religious mindset on TA, in my opinion, is that "T-something" guy (I can't spell it from memory) with a turtle in his avatar. And one of Albanian users is like this as well.

Even if all religions disappeared, all of these people with religious mindsets would still exist. So nothing would change in fact. By the way "simply not having a religion" includes more than just atheists. It includes also agnostics, deists, and many theists.

I would even argue that atheism is more complex than just "simply" not having a religion.
what you call religious mindset is nothing else than obsessive compulsive drive from the reptilian part of the brain!

humans can act obsessivly = fanaticism at thousands of different things, religion, sports team, politics, nationalism etc.

religions have nothing to do with it, it is the reptilian brain obsessed with religion which makes it dangerous, not religion itself.. this goes for any obsession be it religion, gambling, alcohol, football team, sex....

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205814-how-they-keep-you-in-lower-consciousness

[revealman]

I believe in God in my own way, I strongly believe, means Im not Atheist, but I dont believe in God trough any of religions neither.

And while I agree with you about this if ppl would follow religious teachings they would be good, we have a problem here, in this word; RELIGIONS, It's PLURAL.

You cannot expect from religions to respect each others in the long run, conflict will come sooner or later, either direct conflict or theological/philosophical conflict.

Not spiritual conflict, because I dont think those religions have anything spiritual as insitutions, rock on Mars is more spiritual than them.

I do respect person who follow some religion and do not place his/her religions above others, and not having any stereotypes about others, but you know very well such religious ppl are rare, they're not majority amongst their group.



No no, I don't agree with you about this. Human problems became obvious IMO in Eneolithic period (4500-4000 BC), and this has nothing to do with Darwinism. In that period humanity discovered first metal, copper, and in that period first Economy appeared, and human nature as such revealed itself what it is truly, in majority of ppl.

Till Eneolithic, ppl lived in community, shared wealth as much as they could, but in Eneolithic trade/economy started, hierarchy appeared, and by default of humanity mindset; monopoly on knowledge.

Means, in Eneolithic if individual would know how to make a copper AXE or copper tool, he wouldn't share that knowledge, but he would trade that AXE or tool for 20 or 100 sheeps, while still possessing knowledge how to make more copper AXES and tools, but why would he share such knowledge with rest of ppl? He is greedy bastard, so he wants it all, nevermind he didnt discovered copper, but he will use it for greedy nature of his.

And btw, as species, we didn't evolved much in mindset since Eneolithic, I would say we stayed exactly the same as that person who knew how to make copper AXE & tools and trade it for 100 sheeps.

Core of human economy and trade, from dawn of Human economy was A GREED, even destruction of others if necessary in his/her goal.




If someone cannot teach him/herself of moral and how to be fair and generous, then there is no religion or institution which can make you learn this things, religions can only teach ppl how to act they are like that, but under the surface, majority of them are hypocritical monsters.

I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.

Religions don't have any credits anymore what so ever, NONE. I don't care if some Christians or Muslim or Hindu etc comes here and says to me; "those who killed others in the name of our religion are not us", or really? So who the Hell are you then? It seems to me that the only constat of all religions was exactly that; killing in the name of your religion and then making excuses for those who did it, well screw that..., I don't have time to wait for religion mumbo jumbo about perfect age of their religion which will NEVER come, they themselves are making sure of that.




:picard1: :D

Omg... :), anyway... I already explained to you how everythin started and it has nothing to do with Darwinism.

mostly i agree, as you might know i already wrote about this ;)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181764-agricultural-societies-the-root-of-all-evil

[Robocop]

mostly i agree, as you might know i already wrote about this ;)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?181764-agricultural-societies-the-root-of-all-evil

Yeah saw it. Anyway man, religions...Its all bullshit, I wont even apologize for truth, god damn bedtime story to make weak ppl to make trough the night, also to boost those hypocritical ppl.

If one cannot find "God" in himself, everythin rest is in vain for such person.

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

I don’t thunk Judaism is like an isolated occurrence or vacuum wherein Darwinism exists solely as the deciding or overriding and one foreboding factor in the universe, that is nonesense.