This is my Y-DNA (Annie999)

[Annie999]

My uncle (dad's brother) got tested in 23andme so I got my Y-DNA

The further back I can go on my paternal line is Piedmont in Italy.

Result:

R1b-U152 Which is the same as:
R1b1a1a2a1a2b (or R1b1b2a1a2d before 2016)
S28
R-PF6570

-Thanks Viriato, Litvin, Winnetou and everyone that's helping me to decipher this-

U152 is Proto-Italic and Celtic, and one of the principal branches of R1b. R-U152 evolved 4400 years ago and is strong in the northern half of Italy, around the Alps, southern Germany, France and Belgium. In Iberia is mostly confined to Catalonia. In England it is almost exclusively found in the south, where it can exceeds 10% of the lineages. U152 was virtually absent of northern Germany, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. But a sizeable pocket has been found in western Poland.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/ac/0c/03ac0c477f14fcf4d6f9b75c34256e2a.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/kp5z54k97/U152_razem.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1e/b8/6f/1eb86faa56a38b809e05dbeefdd2c2cb.jpg

There are 3 main branches of U152 in Italy - Z56, Z36 and L2. (I have yet to find one which one I am)

Z56 looks more Proto-Italic while Z36 and L2 look more Celtic:

https://s32.postimg.org/as6e4xhcl/R1b_Z56.png
https://s31.postimg.org/l9338hgej/R1b_Z36.png
https://s31.postimg.org/ianqvmzqj/R1b_L2.png

Ancient samples with this haplogroup include:

I0805, Bell Beaker culture, 2467-2142 BC
RISE563, Bell Beaker culture
RISE471, Tumulus culture
6DRIF-22, Roman Britain, 100-400 AD

Bell Beaker man I0805 with this haplogroup was a horse-riding person:

I0805. This 35-45 year-old individual is osteologically and genetically male. The body was buried in NO-SW orientation with the head in the north facing east. Grave goods are scarce and include three silex arrowheads, a few potsherds, and animal bones. A notable observation from the physical anthropological examination is traits at the acetabulum and the femur head suggesting that the individual frequently rode horses.

U152 briton man from Roman era:

https://s31.postimg.org/wezs92uqj/phenotypes.png
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[catgeorge]

Congrats R1b-U152 Y-SNP is common in Europe

[Annie999]

Congrats R1b-U152 Y-SNP is common in Europe

Thanks but mine isn't R1b, just R. Or am I missing something here

[Ülev]

Thanks but mine isn't R1b, just R. Or am I missing something here

I found your family :P
https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/updates-to-23andme-paternal-haplogroup-assignments/

Mark Mitchell • 4 months ago

My father and I have gone from y-dna haplgroup R-L2 to R-PF6570. Which is very odd.

1. Why did my father and I move up the tree from our previous designation of R1b1b2a1a2d3* (R-L2) to R1b1b2a1a2d (R-U152/PF6570)? This is less descriptive and less accurate than before.
2. Why did you use R-PF6570 when R-U152 is much the better known designation throughout the genetic community? PF6570 is by far the least known of the 3 names used for this SNP. (S28 being the 2nd most common). I've been very involved in the U152 community for the last 4 years and had to look up what PF6570 was...almost no one in the genetic community uses this designation. If they do, very few people will know to what they are referring.
3. For men that were "R1b1b2a1a2d" please change "R-PF6570" to "R-U152" and for all the former "R1b1b2a1a2d3" men at 23andme, please change them to "R-L2".

Thank you.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thanks but mine isn't R1b, just R. Or am I missing something here

I believe it is R1b-U152\S28. Congrats!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/ac/0c/03ac0c477f14fcf4d6f9b75c34256e2a.jpg

[Ülev]

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9084-New-Y-DNA-Nomenclature-on-23andMe



New Y-DNA Nomenclature on 23andMe

I got to looking at my "new 23andMe experience" results and realized they have abandoned the outdated Y-DNA nomenclature with something else. How up-to-date is the new nomenclature?

They have assigned me the new designation of R-PF6570. Does all this mean R1b-U152 or is there some new revelation in this designation?

etc.

[crazyladybutterfly]

i thought this was another rainbowmimi case

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Your paternal hg seems to have been evolved 4.400 years ago https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U152/ according to big y snp tests which is most precise measurement dating history of hg's.

[Annie999]

I found your family :P
https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/updates-to-23andme-paternal-haplogroup-assignments/

Thanks! That was very clarifying though the whole thing is extremely confusing. Why all these name changes? :rolleyes:

So for what I understand "R1b-U152" is now called R-PF6570

[catgeorge]

Thanks but mine isn't R1b, just R. Or am I missing something here

they have changed nomenclature but it is U152

[Annie999]

I believe it is R1b-U152\S28. Congrats!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/03/ac/0c/03ac0c477f14fcf4d6f9b75c34256e2a.jpg

Thanks it'd make sense. Where did you get R-PF6570 is the same as R1b-U152\S28 though? Was it from the link Winnetou posted?

[Annie999]

they have changed nomenclature but it is U152

Thanks! That looks like a more familiar nomenclature.

[Peterski]

Proto-Italic and Celtic. Ancient samples with this haplogroup include:

I0805, Bell Beaker culture, 2467-2142 BC
RISE563, Bell Beaker culture
RISE471, Tumulus culture
6DRIF-22, Roman Britain, 100-400 AD

Bell Beaker man I0805 with this haplogroup was a horse-riding person:


I0805. This 35-45 year-old individual is osteologically and genetically male. The body was buried in NO-SW orientation with the head in the north facing east. Grave goods are scarce and include three silex arrowheads, a few potsherds, and animal bones. A notable observation from the physical anthropological examination is traits at the acetabulum and the femur head suggesting that the individual frequently rode horses.

RISE563 has been uploaded to GEDmatch (Kit Number: T644357).

[Tchek]

Welcome to the R1b indo-european slayers club

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thanks it'd make sense. Where did you get R-PF6570 is the same as R1b-U152\S28 though? Was it from the link Winnetou posted?

https://s1.postimg.org/3unywqndb/rpf6570.jpg

Different names, same thing.

You can see the Tree here: http://haplogroup-r.org/tree/R-P312.html

[Annie999]

Welcome to the R1b indo-european slayers club

Thanks Im honored :eyes

[Peterski]

Where did you get R-PF6570 is the same as R1b-U152\S28 though?

Check here:

https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html


R1b1a1a2a1a2b PF6570/S28/U152

Which means that PF6570, S28 and U152 are equivalents.

This is the same branch. Most often used name is U152.

[Rethel]

My uncle (dad's brother) got tested in 23andme so I got my Y-DNA

So I can only welcome you and whole your family in our IndoeuR1opean kinship! :)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1e/b8/6f/1eb86faa56a38b809e05dbeefdd2c2cb.jpg

[Peterski]

One of men from Roman-era York (back then Eburacum) was U152:

https://s31.postimg.org/wezs92uqj/phenotypes.png

There are 3 main branches of U152 in Italy - Z56, Z36 and L2.

Z56 looks more Proto-Italic while Z36 and L2 look more Celtic:

https://s32.postimg.org/as6e4xhcl/R1b_Z56.pnghttps://s31.postimg.org/l9338hgej/R1b_Z36.png
https://s31.postimg.org/ianqvmzqj/R1b_L2.png

The last map shows all of U152 together:

https://s31.postimg.org/kp5z54k97/U152_razem.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This Y-Dna is an Italo-Celt branch if I am not wrong.

[Petalpusher]

Bravo you have the slayer haplogroup :cool:

Out of curiosity, which mt he got?

[Peterski]

In Poland about 3% of U152 - http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?197051-R1b-M269-subclades-in-Poland

[Annie999]

Bravo you have the slayer haplogroup :cool:

Out of curiosity, which mt he got?

Thanks, he got H3g

[Dema]

Congrats

[Annie999]

There are 3 main branches of U152 in Italy - Z56, Z36 and L2.

Z56 looks more Proto-Italic while Z36 and L2 look more Celtic:

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How do I know which branch of U152 I got?

[Peterski]

How do I know which branch of U152 I got?

Maybe try using Nevgen Predictor:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205406-Nevgen-Y-DNA-subclade-predictor

Do you have your STR markers?

[Petalpusher]

How do I know which branch of U152 I got?

You d have to take a ftdna pack or some Yseq marker test.

Try this maybe it can give your one more downstream :

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205302-*Method*-Finding-your-mtdna-amp-y-dna-mutations

[Danaan]

pseudo 'Italo-Celtic'. In reality Etruscan.

[Annie999]

Maybe try using Nevgen Predictor:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205406-Nevgen-Y-DNA-subclade-predictor

Do you have your STR markers?

No, what's that?

[Peterski]

ftdna pack or some Yseq marker test.

YSEQ is probably cheaper:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205816-25-for-mtDNa-in-YSEQ&p=4299796&viewfull=1#post4299796

[Petalpusher]

YSEQ is probably cheaper:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?205816-25-for-mtDNa-in-YSEQ&p=4299796&viewfull=1#post4299796

Yea if you know which panel to test for it's better than ftdna. I ve done it like 2 years ago, i don't remember exactly which pack it was, might be something like this one

http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=38288

[Annie999]

Bravo you have the slayer haplogroup :cool:


Whats this "slayer" thing everyone is saying, is that a joke or is it really considered the "slayer" haplogroup?

[Annie999]

pseudo 'Italo-Celtic'. In reality Etruscan.

Is there a study that backs this up? (That the U152 were Etruscans)

[Oneeye]

Whats this "slayer" thing everyone is saying, is that a joke or is it really considered the "slayer" haplogroup?

R1 is associated with proto indo-european. It came from the east after the Neolithic and became the largest haplogroups in europe.

[Kriptc06]

i thought this was another rainbowmimi case

me too, I was like wait, isnt she a girl o.o

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Whats this "slayer" thing everyone is saying, is that a joke or is it really considered the "slayer" haplogroup?

Lol, it's not a "slayer" haplogroup but you got the same as he does that's why he said so.

[Rethel]

Lol, it's not a "slayer" haplogroup but you got the same as he does that's why he said so.

He is lastly growing up into the light.
Please, do not disturb that process. :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Whats this "slayer" thing everyone is saying, is that a joke or is it really considered the "slayer" haplogroup?

PC synonym for slayer should be defined as most successful group at reproducing which historically seems to be the case with R1.

R1 as OE pointed out came from east with indo-european nomads whom along with spreading their seed/hg have given us the indo european language we speak today among others.

[Annie999]

Lol, it's not a "slayer" haplogroup but you got the same as he does that's why he said so.

Well, Oneeye replied and he's E-V12 :p

[GiCa]

well yes, we can speak of common Italo-celtic branch as both Italic tribes both Celtic tribes were located nearby in Pannonia, possibly coming from a common ancestor both of them.

[Petalpusher]

He is lastly growing up into the light.
Please, do not disturb that process. :)

Don't get too pumped up, i was kidding, and still think it's interesting curiosities of someone's genetic history, not much more.

To cram 100$ to discover your subclade is overkill, not something i would advice people to take, eventhough i ve done it for fun.

[GiCa]

so your Y-dna correlates with you Lake of Como origins

to you a contemparary dialect song in the Lake of Como Dialect: Lagheé
the collection of this singer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCEfBxWAxSQ&list=PLqq8uZ_TIOIREs9XLTAqZk1c3CCShA7UX

[Annie999]

so your Y-dna correlates with you Lake of Como origins

to you a contemparary dialect song in the Lake of Como Dialect: Lagheé
the collection of this singer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv1gjOpxbWs&list=RDTv1gjOpxbWs#t=9

Lake of Como is from mom's side. This result is from dad's side (Piedmont). I have italian heritage from both sides of my family, being my mom and dad both italians in citizenship too.

Thanks for the link will listen to it when I finish working

[GiCa]

Lake of Como is from mom's side. This result is from dad's side (Piedmont). I have italian heritage from both sides of my family, being my mom and dad both italians in citizenship too.

Thanks for the link will listen to it when I finish working

ok Piedmont

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdRJrQr20zM

[Petalpusher]

Lake of Como is from mom's side. This result is from dad's side (Piedmont). I have italian heritage from both sides of my family, being my mom and dad both italians in citizenship too.

Thanks for the link will listen to it when I finish working

I don't know what's your exact ancestry by sides, but you can totally have picked it up from any of the ancestry you listed and even if you had Norwegian. It's just a bit more likely you got it from N.Italy, around the Alps, as it is very common haplo and you can't really tell from which nationality anyway, this was a non existing concept thousands of years ago.

[Percivalle]

pseudo 'Italo-Celtic'. In reality Etruscan.

First Z-56 is proto-Villanovan/Villanovan, that is both proto-Etruscan and proto-Italic.

[Percivalle]

pseudo 'Italo-Celtic'. In reality Etruscan.

First Z-56 is proto-Villanovan/Villanovan, that is both proto-Etruscan and proto-Italic.


Is there a study that backs this up? (That the U152 were Etruscans)

It's associated with the Etruscans because it's common in Tuscany (mostly Z-56, L2 and Z36 only in northmost Tuscany), as showed by the maps you've posted.

[Argentano]

We have the same? :D

Cool Congrats on the result

[Annie999]

We have the same? :D

Cool Congrats on the result

Thanks. Apparently it is, but mine has a "2D" at the end.

yours: R1B1B2A1A
mine: R1B1B2A1A2D

We're also "H", we're pretty much siblings :lol:

[Dick]

Congratulations to your family

[Annie999]

Congratulations to your family

Thanks! :o However my kids are not gonna have that YDNA but my husband's

[Rethel]

Thanks! :o However my kids are not gonna have that YDNA but my husband's

It is very simple: merry R1.

[Dick]

Thanks! :o However my kids are not gonna have that YDNA but my husband's

I don't remember asking you to marry me and if I did I was prolly drunk. Sorry.

[Annie999]

I don't remember asking you to marry me and if I did I was prolly drunk. Sorry.

You didn't lol, I was referring to my fiance :thumb001: :lol:

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Thanks! :o However my kids are not gonna have that YDNA but my husband's

You can make an E-V13 gift to your kids anytime you want if you are not satisfied with R1. :D


You didn't lol, I was referring to my fiance :thumb001: :lol:

Your taken I see, just forget it. :D

[Annie999]

You can make an E-V13 gift to your kids anytime you want if you are not satisfied with R1. :D



Your taken I see, just forget it. :D

Well maybe Ill give E-V13 to my kids after all, I dont know what my fiance's Y-DNA is :p

[Rethel]

Well maybe Ill give E-V13 to my kids after all, I dont know what my fiance's Y-DNA is :p

Test him, before will be too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peterski]

Bravo you have the slayer haplogroup :cool:
PC synonym for slayer should be defined as most successful group at reproducing which historically seems to be the case with R1.

Average Proto-Indo-European (Yamnaya and related cultures) R1 slayer:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/37860-what-did-aryans-look-like?p=1010021&viewfull=1#post1010021


A while ago I morphed together the facial reconstructions made out of Yamnaya (and related cultures) skulls.

It looked like this: http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/yamnaya.jpg

http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/yamnaya.jpg

[Annie999]

Test him, before will be too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL we just got my bf's 23andme results today, I will make a thread of it later with the results.

[Bobby Martnen]

You are a Rethelite.