4000 BC source list admixture run for Balkanites, Cypriots, and West Sicilians

[Sikeliot]

Ukrainian_West
LBK_EN:I0056 35.55 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 32.85 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 19.25 %
Kotias:KK1 11.6 %
Paniya 0.55 %

Slovenian
LBK_EN:I0056 33.9 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 33.1 %
Kotias:KK1 12.75 %
Armenia_Chalcolithic:I1631 10.65 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 9.6 %
Villabruna:I9030 0 %

Serbian
LBK_EN:I0056 43.75 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 20.6 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 16.25 %
Kotias:KK1 9.75 %
Anatolia_Chalcolithic:I1584 8.95 %

Bulgarian
LBK_EN:I0056 43.4 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 20.7 %
Kotias:KK1 17.15 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 10.6 %
Anatolia_Chalcolithic:I1584 6.4 %
Paniya 1.15 %

Albanian
LBK_EN:I0056 36.45 %
Anatolia_Chalcolithic:I1584 18.5 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 12.15 %
Kotias:KK1 11 %
Barcin_Neolithic:I1099 10.35 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 10 %
Paniya 1.55 %

Greek
LBK_EN:I0056 48.3 %
Anatolia_Chalcolithic:I1584 18.8 %
Kotias:KK1 11.85 %
Samara_Eneolithic:I0434 11.8 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 6.65 %
Barcin_Neolithic:I1099 2.2 %

Cypriot
Barcin_Neolithic:I1099 33.45 %
Armenia_Chalcolithic:I1631 28.15 %
Iran_Chalcolithic:I1665 20.9 %
Jordan_EBA:I1706 11.6 %
Greece_LN:Klei10 3.3 %

Italian_WestSicilian
Armenia_Chalcolithic:I1631 30.55 %
Greece_LN:Klei10 24.95 %
Barcin_Neolithic:I1099 17.7 %
Jordan_EBA:I1706 14.3 %
Ukraine_HG1:StPet2 4.95 %
Latvia_HG:ZVEJ32 4.05 %

[Sikeliot]

What do people think of this?

What is "Jordan EBA", is it Natufian? It is higher in Western Sicily than in Cyprus, but those Sicilians also have a more sizable Greek-like component than Cypriots do. Both groups have high "Armenia Chalcolithic" which must be the Caucasus component.

[Petalpusher]

Jordan_EBA is like Natufian + some Iran. Most of Europe is somewhere between LBK Germany and the Bronze Age Euro/steppe.

Great pca made by Opengenomes with all these samples :

https://s7.postimg.org/6q4pqegw9/ancient3pca.png

[Voskos]

what's interestig here is the fact Cypriots, Sicilians and to a lesser extent Albanians score more Barcin Neolithic than the rest. I think in countries like Bulgaria for example the Barcin admixture got replaced by LBK when slavs arrived.

[Pahli]

No gedmatch kits yet?

[Sikeliot]

what's interestig here is the fact Cypriots, Sicilians and to a lesser extent Albanians score more Barcin Neolithic than the rest. I think in countries like Bulgaria for example the Barcin admixture got replaced by LBK when slavs arrived.

Most likely, yes. What surprises me is Greeks do not have much of this, though I suspect that is a mainland sample.

Also, this is western Sicily. East Sicily should have even higher, and probably no NE Euro. The Jordanian component is stronger in western Sicily than Cyprus interestingly.

[Voskos]

Most likely, yes. What surprises me is Greeks do not have much of this, though I suspect that is a mainland sample.

Also, this is western Sicily. East Sicily should have even higher, and probably no NE Euro. The Jordanian component is stronger in western Sicily than Cyprus interestingly.

yeah true but i'm not sure the sample is big enough.for instance if you take a guy from east thrace he might come off as a bulgarian, however the bulk of the mainland is still quite close to italy as a whole.

[Wrong]

Where are the sources for the samples?

My scores would look the polar opposite for sure. I get very compressed scores in caulculators, without those minor strange admixes.

Some of these samples seem to be part-gypsy. Just copy pasting with no source I can't take this seriously.

[Sikeliot]

yeah true but i'm not sure the sample is big enough.for instance if you take a guy from east thrace he might come off as a bulgarian, however the bulk of the mainland is still quite close to italy as a whole.

To Italy, or to Sicily? The difference between the Greek sample (which I think is Thessaly) and Sicily makes sense. Maybe if there was an Abruzzo or Campania sample, it'd be closer.

I also think East Sicily is closer to Cyprus than it is to the mainland Greece, multiple PCAs have shown this when we see East Sicily/Calabria samples.

To get mainland Greeks to be like southern Italians, you have to be in the Peloponnese, especially the south of it. Anything from Macedonia, Thessaly, etc. not so much.

[Sikeliot]

For everyone wondering, these were posted by someone on the Eurogenes blog.

[Wrong]

For everyone wondering, these were posted by someone on the Eurogenes blog.Only found this thread and a comment from some random in Eurogenes blog.

It is false.

[Sikeliot]

Only found this thread and a comment from some random in Eurogenes blog.

It is false.

Nothing false about it. Anyway, moving on.

[Wrong]

Nothing false about it. Anyway, moving on.Prove it.

[Sikeliot]

Prove it.

Go ask the person who posted them the first time. They explained in the post where they got it from.

[Insuperable]

No gedmatch kits yet?

That looks like it came from from one of ancient samples Gedmatch test. So yeah, where are kit numbers.

[Petalpusher]

It's the average samples from K7BR i think.


No gedmatch kits yet?

Gedmatch kits of what?

[Wrong]

Go ask the person who posted them the first time. They explained in the post where they got it from.No gedmatch kit numbers from those. Everyone can forge results.

I am 100% sure my and other Albanians results would be different compared to that "Albanian" sample.

[Pahli]

It's the average samples from the K7BR i think.



Gedmatch kits of what?

I thought there was some new gedmatch kits of the Ukranian- and Latvian_HG?

[Petalpusher]

I thought there was some new gedmatch kits of the Ukranian- and Latvian_HG?

Not on Gedmatch yet as far as i know. They shouldn't be too different from Karelia HG.


Btw the runs are likely nMonte or qpadm.. with the K7 averages, there s no Gedmatch kits used here.

[Insuperable]

So what did this guy use to get these results? If he used invididual Gedmatch kit numbers do results come from one of calculators from Gedmatch? If not did he use average spreadsheet results with some DIY Oracle?