I love this new feature of AncestryDNA!

[Alessio]

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Update

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They have split up Sicily from Southern Italy also.

1750–1800
Life in Mezzogiorno
Family was the center of life in southern Italy. Children usually lived at home until marriage, which was typically arranged with the consent of their parents. Rarely did anyone marry outside of their social class or even family trade. Land, houses, and furnishings were passed down from generation to generation. Most people lived in agro-towns. Women ran their homes while men worked as agricultural laborers outside the city, often away for weeks at a time.

1800–1850
Aspirations for Independence
Tired of being controlled by foreign powers, the idea of national independence began to grow in southern Italy. Some people joined secret revolutionary societies, called the Carbonari, which fought towards establishing a liberal, unified Italy. Many men worked as sharecroppers for weekly or even daily wages, while others made a meager living as artisans. For the majority of the region, poverty was the norm and more than half of the people were illiterate.

1850–1875
La Miseria
When Italy became a unified nation in 1861, southern Italians hoped the change would lift them out of their desperate poverty, called la miseria. Unfortunately, new government policies favored Northern Italy, where southerners were seen as backward peasants. People in the south were forced into military service and paid heavy taxes but saw little government investment in the region. During this time of chaos, social upheaval, and rising crime, some began to look elsewhere for opportunity, including on the other side of the Atlantic in cities like New York.

Struggling to Improve Conditions
For the masses, life in southern Italy continued to get worse. Poor crop yields, the highest taxes in Europe, malaria and cholera outbreaks, a booming population, and widespread unemployment left many feeling hopeless. With no ready solution at home, some young men began going abroad for work. Many were illiterate peasant farmers or fishermen, with no plans to make their move permanent. They gravitated to large cities where they could find work building roads, bridges, tunnels, and railroads. The Italian government encouraged emigration as a way to bring much-needed cash into the country via remittances and also to help alleviate overpopulation.

1925–1950
The Making of an Italian American
Emigration from southern Italy to the United States slowed during World War I, and again after 1924 when a new law limited the number of immigrants allowed into the country. However, second-generation southern Italians were integrating into American culture and by 1930 more than 100,000 southern Italians and Sicilians lived in the East Harlem neighborhood of New York City. During World War II, they were among the 500,000 Italian Americans who served in the U.S. Armed Forces. This helped cement their place as valued American citizens.

1900–1925
Following Family Across the Atlantic
Pushed from home by an unstable government and fueled by money sent from those already in America, entire families began to leave southern Italy. They found work as fisherman and citrus farmers in California, coal miners in Pennsylvania, and seamstresses, tailors, fruit sellers, and construction workers in big cities like New York and Chicago. They gathered in “Little Italies,” establishing neighborhoods based on old family and town loyalties, but many still dreamed of returning home and put off learning English or becoming citizens.

1925–1950
The Making of an Italian American
Emigration from southern Italy to the United States slowed during World War I, and again after 1924 when a new law limited the number of immigrants allowed into the country. However, second-generation southern Italians were integrating into American culture and by 1930 more than 100,000 southern Italians and Sicilians lived in the East Harlem neighborhood of New York City. During World War II, they were among the 500,000 Italian Americans who served in the U.S. Armed Forces. This helped cement their place as valued American citizens.

[Dick]

What? is that like a PCA map?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

pretty cool although its estimating the wrong areas of the countries from my ancestries. But its pretty cool for reading about stuff that happened back then

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

LOL edit I looked at the wrong page NVm this comment on this post

[Not a Cop]

What? is that like a PCA map?

IBD more likely

[Oneeye]

Sweet deal.

[Antimage]

http://i63.tinypic.com/35jm740.png

1750–1800
Life in Mezzogiorno
Family was the center of life in southern Italy. Children usually lived at home until marriage, which was typically arranged with the consent of their parents. Rarely did anyone marry outside of their social class or even family trade. Land, houses, and furnishings were passed down from generation to generation. Most people lived in agro-towns. Women ran their homes while men worked as agricultural laborers outside the city, often away for weeks at a time.

1800–1850
Aspirations for Independence
Tired of being controlled by foreign powers, the idea of national independence began to grow in southern Italy. Some people joined secret revolutionary societies, called the Carbonari, which fought towards establishing a liberal, unified Italy. Many men worked as sharecroppers for weekly or even daily wages, while others made a meager living as artisans. For the majority of the region, poverty was the norm and more than half of the people were illiterate.

1850–1875
La Miseria
When Italy became a unified nation in 1861, southern Italians hoped the change would lift them out of their desperate poverty, called la miseria. Unfortunately, new government policies favored Northern Italy, where southerners were seen as backward peasants. People in the south were forced into military service and paid heavy taxes but saw little government investment in the region. During this time of chaos, social upheaval, and rising crime, some began to look elsewhere for opportunity, including on the other side of the Atlantic in cities like New York.

Struggling to Improve Conditions
For the masses, life in southern Italy continued to get worse. Poor crop yields, the highest taxes in Europe, malaria and cholera outbreaks, a booming population, and widespread unemployment left many feeling hopeless. With no ready solution at home, some young men began going abroad for work. Many were illiterate peasant farmers or fishermen, with no plans to make their move permanent. They gravitated to large cities where they could find work building roads, bridges, tunnels, and railroads. The Italian government encouraged emigration as a way to bring much-needed cash into the country via remittances and also to help alleviate overpopulation.

1925–1950
The Making of an Italian American
Emigration from southern Italy to the United States slowed during World War I, and again after 1924 when a new law limited the number of immigrants allowed into the country. However, second-generation southern Italians were integrating into American culture and by 1930 more than 100,000 southern Italians and Sicilians lived in the East Harlem neighborhood of New York City. During World War II, they were among the 500,000 Italian Americans who served in the U.S. Armed Forces. This helped cement their place as valued American citizens.

1900–1925
Following Family Across the Atlantic
Pushed from home by an unstable government and fueled by money sent from those already in America, entire families began to leave southern Italy. They found work as fisherman and citrus farmers in California, coal miners in Pennsylvania, and seamstresses, tailors, fruit sellers, and construction workers in big cities like New York and Chicago. They gathered in “Little Italies,” establishing neighborhoods based on old family and town loyalties, but many still dreamed of returning home and put off learning English or becoming citizens.

1925–1950
The Making of an Italian American
Emigration from southern Italy to the United States slowed during World War I, and again after 1924 when a new law limited the number of immigrants allowed into the country. However, second-generation southern Italians were integrating into American culture and by 1930 more than 100,000 southern Italians and Sicilians lived in the East Harlem neighborhood of New York City. During World War II, they were among the 500,000 Italian Americans who served in the U.S. Armed Forces. This helped cement their place as valued American citizens.

What a fucking lie

[Alessio]

It worked for people I saw with recent European ancestry. One with British and Southern Italian ancestry and someone with both British and German ancestry.

[Alessio]

What a fucking lie

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[Alessio]

IBD more likely

Not through my matches because I have only 4 matches who are identitied as Dutch and more than 13 as Southern Italian that are much closer than any of my Dutch matches. IBD very likely, as IBD is harder without the right samples (i.e. specific communes in the case of Southern Italy more homogeneity in the case of Dutch people) that's why my Dutch estimate is higher.

[Not a Cop]

Not through my matches because I have only 4 matches who are identitied as Dutch and more than 13 as Southern Italian that are much closer than any of my Dutch matches. IBD very likely, as IBD is harder without the right samples (i.e. specific communes in the case of Southern Italy more homogeneity in the case of Dutch people) that's why my Dutch estimate is higher.

Southern Italy is not less homogenous than Dutch, even Brits are overall more homogeonous than Dutch, difference between North and South are huge in Netherlands considering tiny size of the country.

[Alessio]

Southern Italy is not less homogenous than Dutch, even Brits are overall more homogeonous than Dutch, difference between North and South are huge in Netherlands considering tiny size of the country.

I meant people from the northern and eastern regions of the Netherlands (Noord-Holland and Friesland in particular). How else could you explain the lower estimation for my Southern Italian side, while there are 10 times more Southern Italians tested. Besides that, this is widely known in terms of high haplotype diversity in these regions and low haplotype diversity in the Netherlands.
You'd need more specific samples from communes ore being fully Southern Italian to get high scores with this feature.

[Not a Cop]

I meant people from the northern and eastern regions of the Netherlands (Noord-Holland and Friesland in particular). How else could you explain the lower estimation for my Southern Italian side, while there are 10 times more Southern Italians tested. Besides that, this is widely known in terms of high haplotype diversity in these regions and low haplotype diversity in the Netherlands.
You'd need more specific samples from communes ore being fully Southern Italian to get high scores with this feature.

Your southern italian is Sicilan IIRC, while ancestry sample seems to be inland, if no than your mother matches Dutch sample more closely, (she's N. Dutch?) while father doesn't match South Italians as good.

Homogenity may be viewed in 2 ways - amounts of different ancestal components (WHG, EEF, ANE, etc.) in that sense S. Italians are closer than N. and S. Dutch.

Second way is overall amount of individuals which participated in ethnogenesis, in that case S. Italians are way ahead of Dutch, most closely related population of Europe, Finns have higher regional diversity in ancestal components than all of Brits f.e., but founding population was very small hence more closely related population.

[Alessio]

Your southern italian is Sicilan IIRC, while ancestry sample seems to be inland, if no than your mother matches Dutch sample more closely, (she's N. Dutch?) while father doesn't match South Italians as good.

Homogenity may be viewed in 2 ways - amounts of different ancestal components (WHG, EEF, ANE, etc.) in that sense S. Italians are closer than N. and S. Dutch.

Second way is overall amount of individuals which participated in ethnogenesis, in that case S. Italians are way ahead of Dutch, most closely related population of Europe, Finns have higher regional diversity in ancestal components than all of Brits f.e., but founding population was very small hence more closely related population.


No my Italian side is all Campanian (mostly Naples north of the city right side of the Vesuvio and southern part of Caserta) and many of my closest matches have Lazio/Campania as 1 community. I've seen other half Brits/ Southern Italians who got a similar score as me and one got Jewish instead of Southern Italian, but is both and this causes the system to flip. Southern Italians didn't migrate so extensively as Dutch people did all over the regions and they sticked in their communities and social class more often. I have an example from my own family tree; I have ancestors from all over Noord-Holland, Friesland and other places around these regions (except the southern parts).

I don't know exactly how they have calculated the results, but surely they used a similar system as 23andme did and not ancient components (measurement of the percentages of the components like the ones you mentioned). As in sharing tiny bits of DNA with the individuals tested that are part of the given population.

AncestryDNA was able to split someone into Sicily and Lazio/Campania though.

[Alessio]

Mine changed to Lazio & Campania now

[Dick]

Mine changed to Lazio & Campania now

What do the dots on the map mean and the City they give you? Where you plot?

[frankhammer]

A common spotty Southern Englishman :/ 50% of my DNA

http://i.imgur.com/UXmyy9h.png

[Alessio]

What do the dots on the map mean and the City they give you? Where you plot?

They have also linked your family tree to the map, so that you can quickly see where your ancestors lived and in which period along with the stories they provide. It's not really a PCA but actually a map, which in my case selects the original region of Southern Italians that come from Southern Lazio and Campania that speak Neapolitan (before the risorgimento these area's belonged to the same rulers in most of history after the fall of the Western Roman empire) which they can link to my genome. I haven't seen all the ''communities'' yet, so I don't know how the communities of Abruzzo, Molise, Puglia, Basilicata and Calabria are combined.

It's a nice update and could fairly be called an improvement.

[Not a Cop]

No my Italian side is all Campanian (mostly Naples north of the city right side of the Vesuvio and southern part of Caserta) and many of my closest matches have Lazio/Campania as 1 community. I've seen other half Brits/ Southern Italians who got a similar score as me and one got Jewish instead of Southern Italian, but is both and this causes the system to flip. Southern Italians didn't migrate so extensively as Dutch people did all over the regions and they sticked in their communities and social class more often. I have an example from my own family tree; I have ancestors from all over Noord-Holland, Friesland and other places around these regions (except the southern parts).

I don't know exactly how they have calculated the results, but surely they used a similar system as 23andme did and not ancient components (measurement of the percentages of the components like the ones you mentioned). As in sharing tiny bits of DNA with the individuals tested that are part of the given population.

AncestryDNA was able to split someone into Sicily and Lazio/Campania though.

Well in previous post i was just explaining 2 views on a concept of homogenity in genetical sense.

This new feature is obviously based on IBD.

[jingorex]

would be cool if they let you upload raw data from other places.

FTDNA didnt let you upload 23andme raw data after a certain test date so i went ahead and paid 60 bucks to upgrade my YDNA results with FTDNA just to get family finder.

A week or two later they updated so you could transfer 23andme data after my test date there...just fuck.

[CrazyDaisy]

I'm excited for this feature. I hope Germany and the Basque Country shows up.

[Peterski]

I will probably order AncestryDNA. But I'm thinking also about 23andMe.

[Alessio]

would be cool if they let you upload raw data from other places.

FTDNA didnt let you upload 23andme raw data after a certain test date so i went ahead and paid 60 bucks to upgrade my YDNA results with FTDNA just to get family finder.

A week or two later they updated so you could transfer 23andme data after my test date there...just fuck.

They won't do this. AncestryDNA is affordable.

[Alessio]

I will probably order AncestryDNA. But I'm thinking also about 23andMe.

Depends on your goal. For matches and info about your ancestry I'd go for AncestryDNA in this present state. For health related info, I'd go for 23andme.

[Alessio]

I'm excited for this feature. I hope Germany and the Basque Country shows up.

As for now they only have these communities: Spaniards, Cubans, Dominicans & Venezuelans.
The Portuguese communities are divided as Portuguese&Brazilians.
Northern Italians are just put into one group though. Puzzling, as population geneticists say that Northern Italy is genetically more varried than Southern Italy is. Perhaps the regional similarities as in IBD are easier to measure from Southern Italy than from the north.

Southern Italians far exceed every other population in the numbers of regions they have covered. Southern Italy counts 8 regions and Sicily 5 - this is more than every other country that are much bigger than Southern Italy + Sicily combined.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

would be cool if they let you upload raw data from other places.

FTDNA didnt let you upload 23andme raw data after a certain test date so i went ahead and paid 60 bucks to upgrade my YDNA results with FTDNA just to get family finder.

A week or two later they updated so you could transfer 23andme data after my test date there...just fuck.

If you were doing Y dna you probably wouldn't want to just transfer 23andme data anyways. Because when you want to get deeper subclades theres a chance 23andme might not have the SNP tested. You might need to send a new kit regardless.

With a kit you can do BigY which will test. You do an initial test and then BIGY. Its more expensive but you will ultimately in the long run get better result.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/

You can read about the info there. I don't know what it means by complete STR if it means you would need a Y-111 or just any of them.

I just wish they had this out sooner when I started with FTDNA. But if you aren't serious about your deeper subclades you can try livingDNA. It seems to have more SNP then 23andme but at 150 USD I think. Its a newer testing company. Probably not as refined as FTDNA but probably better than 23andme. Its a new DNA testing company So I dont know too much about its Y haplo testing though. But it tests around 20,000 markers or someting like that I think. You can look up info on it

[Legendary Grady]

LOL edit I looked at the wrong page NVm this comment on this post


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[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

As for now they only have these communities: Spaniards, Cubans, Dominicans & Venezuelans.
The Portuguese communities are divided as Portuguese&Brazilians.
Northern Italians are just put into one group though. Puzzling, as population geneticists say that Northern Italy is genetically more varried than Southern Italy is. Perhaps the regional similarities as in IBD are easier to measure from Southern Italy than from the north.

Southern Italians far exceed every other population in the numbers of regions they have covered. Southern Italy counts 8 regions and Sicily 5 - this is more than every other country that are much bigger than Southern Italy + Sicily combined.

They have south americans Also

https://s3.postimg.org/t9wgw1eo3/bandicam_2017-03-31_21-22-53-094.jpg

https://s8.postimg.org/qx4qlnrv9/bandicam_2017-03-31_21-22-49-242.jpg

https://s24.postimg.org/f1c62jpv9/bandicam_2017-03-31_21-22-32-570.jpg

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

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han cholo?

[Legendary Grady]

han cholo?

No. Grady Wilson.


http://i.imgur.com/NbLhIEP.jpg

[CrazyDaisy]

han cholo?

Seems more like Ross.

[Karol Klačansky]

I will probably order AncestryDNA. But I'm thinking also about 23andMe.
For my own personal interest you should take the ancestry dna test. Would be cool to see them from a slavo-american perspective but poles usually score extremely high on their eastern euro marker, many close to 100 percent

[Peterski]

For my own personal interest you should take the ancestry dna test. Would be cool to see them from a slavo-american perspective but poles usually score extremely high on their eastern euro marker, many close to 100 percent

In DNA Land I rather score at the lower end of "North Slavic" for Polish people (I have seen almost twenty Polish results with between 50% and 86% "North Slavic", and I score 55% "North Slavic").

Not sure how would it translate to AncestryDNA categories of course, because it depends on their reference populations. By the way, do you have a list of all "components" in AncestryDNA?

For example do they count "Balkan" as part of "Eastern Euro" too?

[Karol Klačansky]

In DNA Land I rather score at the lower end of "North Slavic" for Polish people (I have seen almost twenty Polish results with between 50% and 86% "North Slavic", and I score 55% "North Slavic").

Not sure how would it translate to AncestryDNA categories of course, because it depends on their reference populations. By the way, do you have a list of all "components" in AncestryDNA?

For example do they count "Balkan" as part of "Eastern Euro" too?
The european components for Ancestry are

Ireland- kind of a pan Celtic component that is highest in Ireland.

Great Britain- based on England, Wales, and Scotland, probably a marker for more Anglo Saxon ancestry.

Iberian peninsula- Spain and Portugal

Western Europe- based on France, Germany, The Benelux countries, Switzerland, and Austria.

Eastern europe- includes north eastern Europe and the Balkans

Finnish northwestern russian- similar to DNA land( I score 4 % on both)

Italy and Greece- an east med admixture based on Italy and Greece.

Scandinavian- based on Sweden , Norway and Denmark

Thats it for the European components.

You'll score much higher on Ancestry DNA for eastern euro. The Eastern euro component is heavily based on Polish samples I think. Also for example, my dad scores 60% north Slavic on DNA land and scores 75% eastern euro on ancestry. I score 43% north Slavic on DNA land and 55% on ancestry. But my Finnish marker is the same on both tests at 4%.

[Peterski]

Eastern europe- includes north eastern Europe and the Balkans

(...)

Also for example, my dad scores 60% north Slavic on DNA land and scores 75% eastern euro on ancestry.

How much "Balkan" does your dad score on DNA Land?

I score 55% "North Slavic" plus 8% "Balkan" = 63%.

[Karol Klačansky]

How much "Balkan" does your dad score on DNA Land?

I score 55% "North Slavic" plus 8% "Balkan" = 63%.
He scores nothing from balkan. I think he scores 6 percent south west European 18 % north west euro and the rest is a split between med islander and central south euro.

I score though 8 % balkan , though my parents score none. I'm pretty sure it's a pan eastern euro marker.

For example my DNA results:
North Slavic -43%
Finnish- 4.4%
Balkan- 8 %
Total: 55.4%

My ancestry results
Eastern euro- 55%
Finnish/NW russian- 4 %
Total : 59%

My ftdna results
Eastern euro- 52%
Balkan- 8%
Total:60%

So theyre all pretty even

I think DNA land needs a bit of work on their reference populations though.